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Forum Post: Every revulation that has put its faith in governmen has failed!

Posted 3 years ago on Oct. 21, 2011, 6:30 p.m. EST by Emcalone (88) from Plano, TX
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We have only had success in revolutions that have dismantlement government.

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[-] 1 points by atki4564 (1259) from Lake Placid, FL 3 years ago

Agreed, so perhaps you would consider our group's proposal of an alternative online direct democracy of government and business at http://getsatisfaction.com/americanselect/topics/on_strategically_weighted_policies_organizational_operating_structures_tactical_investment_procedures-448eo and then direct questions or comments to our group's 19 members committed to that plan at: http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/StrategicInternationalSystems/

[-] 1 points by Emcalone (88) from Plano, TX 3 years ago

this makes more sense than what i have heard on here... this sounds like anarchy to me though. which i like!

[-] 1 points by atki4564 (1259) from Lake Placid, FL 3 years ago

Good, I'm glad you like it. I hope that means you'll join our group at http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/StrategicInternationalSystems/ and we look forward to your asking questions seeking clarification about our 48 Tactical Investment Procedures, for such question are the most important part of any coordinated action; that is, keeping ourselves informed of our various perspectives is important because our collective knowledge is 10 times greater than our individual knowledge, agreed?

[-] 1 points by jph (2652) 3 years ago

well what we have now will need to be dismantled,. it is broken and don't work well no more,. new systems of social organisation will replace the old ways,. . real democracy, and egalitarian peace are just a revolution away.

[-] 1 points by Emcalone (88) from Plano, TX 3 years ago

anarchy with an emphasis in voluntary action and peace.... democracies have never worked. power always corrupts....

[-] 1 points by jph (2652) 3 years ago

"Democracy is generally defined as a form of government in which all the people have an equal say in the decisions that affect their lives." the definition is sound, and ways to make that work are possible,. organised anarchy is a wonderful thing,. non-hierarchical democracy is possible with consensus process,. .

[-] 1 points by Emcalone (88) from Plano, TX 3 years ago

you don't have to be delusional to be idealistic!

[-] 1 points by Emcalone (88) from Plano, TX 3 years ago

that is always the intent of democratic revolutions. name me one of those that has succeeded in obtaining that! democracies, socialism, communism and other stuff like that have great definitions on paper, but they never become that when applying it in reality. even the constitution/bill of rights and the magna carta have failed. putting your faith in government is foolish...

[-] 1 points by jph (2652) 3 years ago

it is not about putting faith in anything other than ourselves. we are talking about BEING the government,. not electing them. We no longer need elected representatives,. we can debate, and develop planes on every issue, without seeding power to some individual.

[-] 1 points by Mooks (1985) 3 years ago

Does he mean revolution or revaluation?

[-] 1 points by Emcalone (88) from Plano, TX 3 years ago

revolution. oops

[-] 1 points by loopy506850 (25) 3 years ago

It's time for the Alpha and Omega to start governing again.

[-] 1 points by Emcalone (88) from Plano, TX 3 years ago

we need the people to govern itself...

[-] 1 points by loopy506850 (25) 3 years ago

A flock of sheep without a Shepard would never work. Look at everything thats going on now?

[-] 1 points by Emcalone (88) from Plano, TX 3 years ago

what is going on now is the Shepards leading the sheep off a cliff. unfortunately, the whole world has been indoctrinated by the state and church into submitting to power. humanity can take care of itself as soon as it realizes it!

[-] 1 points by loopy506850 (25) 3 years ago

Isn't that the argument that satan started with god? Satan said we can govern ourselves, obviously not.

[-] 1 points by jph (2652) 3 years ago

Satan and god had an argument about free will? do tell,. .

We can and do govern ourselves,. some people have just mad an art out of confusing the dim witted,. and getting them to follow stupid broken ideologies,. this only works for so long, as those same people are now learning,. . change can be swift.

[-] 1 points by Emcalone (88) from Plano, TX 3 years ago

i don't argue about stuff based on faith... churches are some of the most corrupt organization out there, but you wont see it because you are brain washed...

[-] 1 points by loopy506850 (25) 3 years ago

not really, i'm just talking from what I read, i'm not part of any religion. I do agree that the catholic church is full of child predators though. Thats a fact.

[-] 1 points by Emcalone (88) from Plano, TX 3 years ago

the biggest churches steal so much cash from its members. i live in tx so i would know. ;) the bible has nothing to do with facts...

[-] 1 points by loopy506850 (25) 3 years ago

actually there is lots of facts in it, like the earth being round before anyone knew that it was Isaiah 40:21-22—“the circle of the earth.”

[-] 1 points by Emcalone (88) from Plano, TX 3 years ago

lol, that's like saying the circle of life. it could interpreted in many way. does not seem factual to me. the bible is about faith and submission. which is adding to the problems we have. the recurring problem in human history is that humans submit to power and power always corrupts... no leader has ever said, "submit to me and i will take advantage" its always if you trust in me, i will save you. in the long run that always turns out to be a big fat lie.