Forum Post: escape this con scam of a trollhatten forum
Posted 13 years ago on Oct. 27, 2011, 8:47 p.m. EST by gawdoftruth
(3698)
from Santa Barbara, CA
This content is user submitted and not an official statement
I have been active here since the very beginning, and since the very beginning I have been trying to make some core points. These points clearly have not been digested or fully understood by the mob, and so I'm going to try to make a further attempt here again.
- Merely protesting in the streets will not bring change. In fact merely protesting in the streets is in fact a means to the end of avoiding the real work of a revolution, which consists of the evolutionary solutions, answers, problem solving process, and new political alignment we create.
- This forum is absolutely disorganized. It won't be read by most people and it won't and can't function as a core organizational system.
- Back at the very start of this, I petitioned the admin to add multiple sub forums and a wiki. Multiple sub forums were promised but have never arrived. I think that this tells us that the intention actually of this forum is message control and containment. The entire purpose really of this forum has always been to keep us spinning in disorganization. We are hanging out on a forum that expressly exists to actually keep us confused and disorganized.
- The real work of a revolution isn't going to happen on forums, it needs to happen in a much more organized fashion using collaborative software.
- The assorted other details about how to collaborate, how to work open source direct democracy, how to focus in on science instead of isms, how to become hyper rational about this, are details which are essential and crucial, without which we can predict the movement to fail.
- Technically speaking we are not 99 percent, we are one tenth of one percent attempting to represent the 99 percent. Our core mission must be to communicate to and with the 99 percent, and get them to join us. This forum will not accomplish that and neither will any of the other main websites.
- You can follow other people out to other wikis and other websites, where they will try to get you to get involved with what they want and their program, but frankly speaking, there is no other website and no other operation out there which understands the complexities involved with meaningful organization. In short, everyones being led to get involved here there and everywhere else, scattering the movement in directions which ultimately do not gain us critical mass, criticial momentum, or critical systemic lucidity.
- I have managed to get a wiki put up and have already put on that wiki evolutionary details which make it more organized than anything else. I can't do this alone. There are 10 or so wikis now out there, most of which were created in response to my pleas for a wiki, and several of which are in domains owned and operated by some corporation, (wikia, etc) And which we can thus assume will simply be closed, shut down, or deleted if they become useful to the movement.
- Probably at least half of the invites you have to go participate at some other site are people who are scamming everyone to waste time and energy, distort the movement, co opt it, and etc. When you walk off into a closet ask yourself how you know that the closet isn't created by some fed, or by some republican, or by some democrat, in order to sway things in their direction.
- The only meaningful strategic option we have for real change in this country is to create a new third party, and take every political office in this country.
- Once that is done, we can have an article 5 convention. If we have an article 5 convention before getting rid of the oligachs, that just opens the genie from the bottle for them to abuse that process with their corruption and evil.
- As of last night and this morning, you can't even answer responses on this site without geting a 403 error, logging in requries you to back click after a 403 error, and the chat simply doesn't load.
For these reasons, I beg of you to please immediately join me on the wiki. We need to have all of these details and all of these ideas put together in an organized fashion, rather than posted in a long scrawl which will never be read.
http://occupythiswiki.org/wiki/THE_99%25_POLITICAL_PARTY
http://occupythiswiki.org/wiki/Main_Page
http://www.followthemoney.org/?gclid=CMbY87bB-qsCFUPt7Qod9HE8mQ
http://occupywallst.org/forum/our-new-wiki/
http://occupywallst.org/forum/non-violence-evolution-by-paradigm-shift/
This poster is a poser. He stool my screen name! Troll.
uhm, no, i'm the original, you are the imposter.
I agree with several of your points. However, in one breath you say one can't trust other sites while in another breath you encourage others to join your site.
Not sure we need to fight the two party system by creating yet another party. We are still working in the old paradigm if we keep to a party mentality. Agree with you we should run against the other parties, but as independents. We will be accountable to the people and not a party philosophy. Will you run for office?
Why is it hard to understand this? Wikia? seriously? anybody who thinks you can trust the cult of jimbo is seriously not awake about the real truth about the cult of jimbo. Can >I< trust these other sites? We are almost certainly on the astroturf one percenter paid for false flag site put up by the oligarchs in order to control, limit, confuse, and contain the conversation. And so yeah, i think trust is an obvious issue. Whos wikis are the other wikis? what is their real agenda? We can bet that half of these new sties are some kind of attempt to co opt or coral and kettle the movement. Now- you figure out which is which. Certainly some fraction are probably legit. But how are we going to tell the difference? My track record in the public is impeccable. I can be trusted on this because i have been fighting the corporate oligarchy for 20 years. I'm lucid on all of the issues, Including formal logic and diplomacy... And i'm not hiding behind anonymity- i'm john mark bassist on FB.
I am sure we need to fight the two party system with another party otherwise oligarchs stay in control.
I won't run for office, my job is to be chief of staff and run the think tanks.
Being accountable to the people is the same as being accountable to a new third parties political platform once that platform is hyper lucid and evolved.
JohnnyGuy 6 points 1 hour ago
WORKAROUND TO THE POPUP LINK PROBLEM
delete this part of this link and it will work correctly:
"notification/######/.org/"
in the address bar
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Chat is words lost lost in java
storing text takes very little memory
anyone can hit [select all] copy and paste pages into a text editor and save them
or repost them
I don't know, gawd, I think the wiki looks bad ass. I've put your link to it on a couple of my responses. Just out of curiosity, how many people have contacted you about it? Besides me.
about 30 people contacted and 3 people have joined. kind of pathetic. I open the door out of the matrix and everyones still milling around in agent smiths living room. please don't just link about it, - go there. add materials. get into the wiki. its really the only hope we have.
Ten percent's probably not all that bad statistically. A lot of voices out here, each with a different perspective. And it's easy to get off on a tangent, I've caught myself doing it a few times. It's only been a few weeks, it'll start to coalesce. What's equally important is people are starting to talk to each other. People who otherwise would've never come together. You gotta run that blender for a few to get the ingredients mixed together.
uhm. you know what my worst flaw is.. obviously? impatience. sigh.