Forum Post: Envisioning our future
Posted 12 years ago on Sept. 26, 2011, 3:11 p.m. EST by ResourceEconomy
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Occupy Wall St is a great movement but it needs to be followed with a vision for the future that catches hearts and minds around the globe and sticks. I think that vision is The Zeitgeist Movement which advocates the dissolution of a monetary system in favor of a resource based economy built on abundance. Think outside the box and think ahead... with your hearts and minds. There is a website which, I admit, sucks but if you enter the site, click on Take Action, and read the Orientation Guide, it will all begin to make sense. I would also suggest that you google the term Liquid Feedback - the german meaning. There are things we can do to significantly change the world we live in for the better. The time to start is now. www.thezeitgeistmovement.com
I have a better model called a global party it's better than a communistic RBE Utopia. Link is below
http://occupywallst.org/forum/occupy-wall-street-basic-model-proposal-and-no-its/
Beware. Stephen Molyneux did a review of The Zeitgeist Movement and basically called it communism.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pg5K07c72Tw&feature=player_embedded
I notice a lot of communists have infested this forum and the Occupy Wall Street movement. This seriously discredits the cause. Communists are very clever, they correctly define part of the problem, banksters, but their solution is demonic: communism. I suggest everyone who sees someone demonizing capitalism to call them out and ostracize them.
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I watched Stephen Molyneux's review and I must say that he makes some honest criticisms (many of the same ones I have - i.e. allocation) and salient points to be taken into consideration. That said, I do believe he is too attached to the monetary exchange and social stratification system. He also echos that same anti-government sentiment that is rife within the tea party. I am not afraid of words and theories, a la marxism, communism, socialism, etc... A Resource Based economy would certainly have some characteristics of Marxism but would not be Marxist. And so what. America has many socialist characteristics but isn't socialist. Our current brand of capitalism (nor the global monetary system) simply isn't working and I believe it's time to consider an upgrade or a transition to something else. Purchasing power is the great barrier that keeps the impoverished from living a comfortable life with equal access to healthcare, education, resources, etc... Purchasing power and profit serve as the basis for which wars are created and is the reason we are not further ahead in utilizing renewable resources for energy. So why not remove purchasing power and profit? I think it's absolutely ok to explore this.
Resource Based Economy is the best option as if you do not get rid of money and politics, then you will always get the problems this world is suffering from today. Go on youtube and watch Zeitgeist Moving Forward, it explains everything to you, and Zeitgeist official youtube page has other videos too. This has nothing to do with communism, as no one will be the leader nor dictator, and everyone will live better than millionaires today. Not like the poor in old communism etc. as there will be no politics, no money, no wars, no crime, and everyone will be equal.
Yeah I would suggest sticking with the basic framework of democracy and capitalism except socialize things that are obviously broke in terms of supply and demand - like medicine. That's basically what we have now is a few things are socialized.
The health care system in America is broken because of government interference in the free market system. Medicare, medicaid and regulations have caused costs to skyrocket. America had the lowest cost, most advance health care in the world in the 1960s before the government entered the market. I do not support the socialization of health care in America.
Supply and demand. Demand - everyone needs health care and will die without it. Supply - groups of doctors limit the total number of students admitted into medical school. Add on top of this the fact that the cost to employed people is masked doubly by an industry that should not even exist and you have the current situation. It really has nothing to do with medicaid or medicair.
For that to happen, the whole economic system has to collapse. The question is. who will make that collapse to take place? Will it be the bankers or will it be us?
That is an inevitability that it will eventually collapse. The monetary system is outdated and unsustainable long-term. I would like to believe that if we get the right global movement going and get enough thinkers involved, we can come up with a plan to transition to a resource-based economy. But you are correct that we are going to have to go in hole before we can build something new. Better this plan than a plan that would certainly be a society structured on a serf class.
Here are my thoughts then: I am with you guys all the way, but all of you have to rethink your strategy, my suggestion....listen to Max Keiser, cause it isn't just wall street that's causing this economic crisis, The Federal Reserve, IMF, ECB, Goldman Sachs, JPMorgan, UBS, etc and certain corporations..specifically the energy sector, (oil companies, GE, etc), Pharmaceautical companies and finally the politicians (who are mostly bought and paid for buy bankers and corporate interests). You will also have to look into mainstream news media (Fox, CNN, ABC, CBS to name a few) that are perhaps giving little coverage of the peaceful protest (who are also bought and paid for by corporate interests). In essence, you have to rethink your strategy, protesting is a great start...but you must refocus or in a sense figure out who the main culprits truly are. You do realize that as long as you and the american citizen as a whole keep on feeding this beast, the economic crisis will stay on it's course..This my friends should be a clue, you have to stop buying their products, or supporting the so called too, big to fail banks. So again, I urge you to go to www.maxkeiser.com, be informed and armed yourselves with knowledge. Find someone or a group of people to conduct logistics on these corporations and the banking cartel, and revise a strategy that will enable us to bring them to their knees. Please realize that this isn't just a national problem, it's global...once you listen to max keiser, you will have a much deeper understanding of what is truly going on and with this deeper understanding of the economics and how these bankers are committing these crimes, you will have a much clearer focus and will therefore know exactly how to turn the tide in your favor. Otherwise if you just keep on protesting in wall street, sad to say it will not do much of anything, and they know it..it's time to STOP feeding the beast and Starve the hell out of it. They say this system isn't working, I say they are wrong..it isn't working for us, it's working for the corrupt people in the system who created this in the first place.
Of course I have to rewrite my ideas in a more complete and coherent fashion...lol
I will write down my ideas and thoughts tonight, hopefully it'll gain wide acceptance on a new strategy. The movement is a great start, but it needs to be more focused, right now it's like a dull blade and its our job to make it razor sharp!