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Forum Post: Enough With the Sensationalism, Guys! Work Together!

Posted 12 years ago on Oct. 6, 2011, 7:59 p.m. EST by bmfliberty (16) from New York, NY
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A lot of the new threads started have titles like:

"Fight the Establishment Democratic Party" "No liberarians, no current parties. Create a new one." "Libertarians and Liberals Unite against the wars!"

Enough is enough. We are all citizens of this country and the only way to effect positive change is to work together! The primary reason we had a debt-limit crisis wasn't because the market doesn't want to buy our bonds. It was because our congress bickered and fought and demonstrated a complete lack of camaraderie or ability to critically think and solve problems.

Don't let this flaw intoxicate the movement!



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[-] 1 points by sylvain (7) 12 years ago

Yes, create a new one. I truly believe that we should be working together to create a new approach to a unique situation. I hardly think that is too much to ask to work together to not fall into the current processes. The right and left of all extremes have failed, hard and completely. My point is this should be a movement, not a bandwagon. Forget what has already happened and create a new approach, as is already happening. What is intoxicating the movement is michael franti, radiohead and zombies. Did any successful movement in the recent past participate in theatrics and music? No. But thanks a ton for your opinions! Let others say what they want and hopefully something will happen. Don't try to suppress folks homie.

[-] 1 points by bmfliberty (16) from New York, NY 12 years ago

Sylvain, your attitude seems to be like so many others on these forums: negative.

If you read my post carefully, you'll see that I'm not actually insinuating at all that people shouldn't say what they want to say. All I'm suggesting is that the movement would be best off if people first decided to strategize and understand the problems they're rising against, figure out some solutions, and then develop a strategy to implement them.

Right now, the organization is laughed at by the majority of the public, especially conservatives (much like the Tea Party was laughed at by liberals), because there doesn't seem to be any goal or objective. Parading around the Battery in Zombie clothes, or chanting "all day all week occupy wall street" wont actually do anything except grab media attention and further marginalize the group.

I'm telling you, Wall St thinks this is a joke because of the disorder and lack of purpose the movement projects. If you want to reform something, you have to operate in a way that challenges them. Wall St is one of the most highly organized, intense sub-cultures on the planet. If you want to stop the madness, you have to challenge them to their own game.

[-] 1 points by bmfliberty (16) from New York, NY 12 years ago

No desire to be a tea party--they're disruptive. Just saying we need to spend less time focusing on how to make ourselves separate and more time on what the issues are, what possible solutions look like, and getting them implemented.

[-] 1 points by gawdoftruth (3698) from Santa Barbara, CA 12 years ago

working together means waking up.capitalists.. libertarians and liberals and etc socialists and marxists and communists and etc .. all of that is ideology- not science- not truth. all of it is con scam by the corporate oligarchy. anybody who picks up one of those footballs to run with is playing for the corporate oligarchy.

None of those systems has ever existed, all the governments have ever done is feudalism of some kind and make believe with a dumble downed population. corporate oligarchy is the problem, science is the solution, ideology chess warfare is the matrix of mental cages.

[-] 1 points by Flsupport (578) 12 years ago

I understand what you are saying but when it came to the debt crisis, there were clearly a few people in congress trying to make it a crisis. Those were the Tea Party guys. I am sorry but I cannot do a Tea Party. I think this movement can be better than that.

[-] 1 points by bmfliberty (16) from New York, NY 12 years ago

Flsupport, thanks for the comment.

Just to clarify -- I was in no way suggesting that the movement should be a Tea Party sort of group. We all know the Tea Party will go down in history as a movement that certainly raised awareness of our country's fiscal issues, but was too ideological to actually get anything accomplished.

All I'm suggesting is that the amount of time people within the movement spend trying to identify how it can be different from other groups, or how it should be positioned relative to other groups is a waste right now.

It's a waste, simply because a strategy isn't useful when the purpose and goals of the group remain unclear.

Think of a baseball team that's planning how to win the world series without enough players to have a starting line up.

[-] 1 points by Flsupport (578) 12 years ago

Oh yes....agree with this 100%

[-] 1 points by bmfliberty (16) from New York, NY 12 years ago

Awesome. I think we need to start by centralizing ideas.

One issue is that the group doesn't have any clear leadership.... it's largely a hodgepodge.

[-] 1 points by Flsupport (578) 12 years ago

You have the commitees but you also need people who can mobilize a large amount of support, which is why I have suggested civil rights groups and unions. It is sometimes helpful to have someone emerge as a clear leader. This happened with the civil rights movement. They actually drafted Martin Luther King into service because of his speaking ability. I think a public face for the movement....not Michael Moore because too many people distrust his motives (though I dont) but someone who can articulate everything and become a symbol of the movement. This person need not be a "leader" who "gives orders" but more like a symbolic head....the voice of the movement.

[-] 1 points by bmfliberty (16) from New York, NY 12 years ago

Haha I'd be down to help create a committee.....I go to Cornell...family in finance....studied ethics and business in school... won 10 best speaker awards in high school when I did Junior Statesman of America...I can focus on the 18-25 yr old segment...

[-] 1 points by Alley (6) 12 years ago

We must fight the special interest groups that control congress. Read people power

[-] 1 points by bmfliberty (16) from New York, NY 12 years ago

Lobbying groups exist for a reason -- a private sector dedicated to expressing the opinions of corporations to lawmakers.

The system is broken when lawmakers are in cahoots with corporations.

Solution: stop corporations from donating to campaigns. Let the employees or shareholders make the contributions.

[-] 1 points by joeradmacher (40) from Kansas City, MO 12 years ago