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Forum Post: Enemies of the 99%- Tea Party created by Koch Bros. New study.

Posted 1 year ago on Feb. 28, 2013, 10:22 a.m. EST by inclusionman (7064)
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It can't be clearer than this as to WHO is the greatest threat to the agenda that will benefit the 99%.

Last weeks study/news.:

http://www.taylormarsh.com/blog/2013/02/news-desk-study-confirms-tea-party-was-created-by-koch-brother-billionaires/

Some older related info:

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0612/77453.html

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/national-affairs/the-koch-brothers-exposed-20120420

http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-02-23/entertainment/30005910_1_brothers-juan-williams-bust-unions

Informing all of the 99% is the 1st and best action we can take to defeat this biggest corp 1% oligarchal threat to the agenda of the 99%.

Whether political, environmental, economical, these enemies are the most powerful and must be engaged, & defeated

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[-] 3 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

We must be BUILDERS of a force whose people power dwarfs the dollar power of Koch/Tea Party/Repub enemies of the agenda that serves the 99%

More evidence

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Tea_Party

[-] 2 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

Lets not forget our friends at
Club for Growth
&
Americans for Progress

[-] 0 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Peas of the same pod. (probably GMO peas at that)

[-] 2 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

you mis-spelled it is pees

[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

LOL. Tea partiers are certainly the human waste of our political system.

[-] 0 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

You'd be the authority on that topic for sure and certain, DM.

[-] 0 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Stop harassing me!

Engineer an opinion on this 'on topic' news story.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/02/oklahoma-agenda-21_n_3001579.html

Tea party fuck

[-] 1 points by Builder (4202) 1 year ago

It's the truth and you know it is, DM.

You should spend your time pretending you have some friends in the world.

OWS needs activists. Not pretenders. You are doing what the 1% do, by manufacturing consent. You've already been busted for doing it, and you're still doing it, you dickhead. You think we don't all see you doing it? What a cockhead you are, if you don't think we all see you voting for yourself.

COCKHEAD SUPREMO

[-] -2 points by danya8 (-98) 1 year ago

Insert "Boogeyman" whenever you see the words "Koch Brothers". Same thing. Liberals need someone to hate for their own failures for wrecking the economy

[-] 2 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

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[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Didn't repubs crash the economy in 2007/8 with their corp 1% base?

Wasn't it Reagan/Bush I who quadrupled the national debt.

Didn't Bush II turn Clinton annual surplus into $1.4T annual deficit?

Conservatives have wrecked the economy and blown up the national debt with giveaways to rich people/corps and wars on credit.

They have always been fiscally irresponsible (trickle down/voodoo ec??) And Dems have always cleaned up their mess, as We are again NOW!

Please save your lies for tea party wacko dittoheads.

LOL

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[-] 0 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

What happened? Your comment was removed. Stick to the honest, respectful truth and we will allow you to converse here.

Can you manage that?

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Why?

It's the libe(R)tarians that are still wrecking it.

Across the board.

Destroying democracy, one State at a time.

[-] -2 points by Nevadaone (-55) 1 year ago

Sorry to break it to ya but 99% of Americans aren't whack job Leftists who cling to your warped narrative.

[-] 4 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

But ALL will benefit from the progressive agenda that the Koch/Tea party/Repubs are fighting against.

Join us in the fight against the enemies of the 99%

[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

Warped narrative ie: " ALL will benefit from the progressive agenda"
Our revered fearless leaders ( and pay masters ) koch & koch & cheney, etc etc etc
will not benefit.
They will own fewer prisons, thier taxes will go up, their defense industry dividends will go down.
makes me so sad sad sad

[-] 3 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

You're right the most evil may not (and should not) benefit.

My point is, if we change laws to get more money to the middle class, if we expand the middle class by facilitating the poorest entry into it. We will have more disposable income/consumerism, and this is would benefits the 1%'rs.!!

Money naturally flows up, it does not trickle down!! Once there is money amongst the 99%, you can be sure that the 1%'s natural mechanism will kick in and begin suckin up all our money again.

So ALL benefit, a rising tide lifts all boats. The most Evil (Cheney, Koch, etc) may have pain, but even they eventually WILL adapt and benefit, which is why they must be found out, prosecuted, and jailed.

[-] -1 points by Nevadaone (-55) 1 year ago

Warped narrative ie: " ALL will benefit from the progressive agenda"

[-] 0 points by Nevadaone (-55) 1 year ago

Dodd/Frank? I believe that was a Progressive/Democrat concoction. Meant to force equality of home ownership down the throats of the industry regardless if anybody could really qualify or pay for the house. Yeah,that worked out just as badly as most ALL Progressive regulation and tyranny.

[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

You clearly do not know what you are talking about. Everything you just spewed was ass backwards.

Banksters, Tea party, Kochheads, ALEC, & their Repub puppets are the enemies of the 99%.

Get it straight you ignorant shill.

[-] -1 points by Nevadaone (-55) 1 year ago

Yeah right,whatever you say drone boy.

[-] 1 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

I'm against the drone strikes and all non defensive war.

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[-] -1 points by Nevadaone (-55) 1 year ago

By "support children" you mean Obama's spending our children and grand children into massive debt?

How Progressive of you.

[-] 3 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Is this the crap you are spewing now?

http://ideas.time.com/2013/02/27/why-the-tea-party-is-here-to-stay/

The phony tea party "spending grandchildrens money" lie.

We've been borrowing for all our history. (except when the Dem Admin created 3 years of surpluses).

You gotta know we are smart enough to recognize the 'starve the beast' strategy created 30 years ago.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starve_the_beast

Conservatives blow up the debt, cut taxes, then claim "oh my the deficit must be reduced we'll have cut SS, Medicare. Can't borrow from out grandkids".

Bullshit!!

Tax the rich, expand the safety net, Stimulate job creation/economic growth, you greedy, selfish, heartless neocon piece of shit!!

[-] 2 points by gnomunny (6587) from St Louis, MO 1 year ago

The story that Clinton created a surplus that Bush then destroyed is a myth.

[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Well what is the reality of the annual budget deficit/surplus?

This is what I found:

These charts clearly show the surplus:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:U.S._Total_Deficits_vs._National_Debt_Increases_2001-2010.png

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.npr.org/news/graphics/2009/feb/deficit/deficit.gif&imgrefurl=http://www.npr.org/news/graphics/2009/feb/deficit/&h=530&w=570&sz=22&tbnid=LikNQXFE6ii5BM:&tbnh=90&tbnw=97&zoom=1&usg=__UcLdPMgsWpi0yXqnmCWdjlEW9w4=&docid=WS1ckhcrPdguTM&hl=en&sa=X&ei=mrwwUY2EMsmy0QGPxIHADg&sqi=2&ved=0CDIQ9QEwAQ&dur=3274

This might explain it in a way you can understand.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2012/09/05/the-three-best-charts-on-how-clintons-surpluses-became-bush-and-obamas-deficits/

This is the best evidence that the Clinton surplus was real:

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2012/11/21/countering_the_clinton_surplus_lie

If Rush says it's a lie it must be true. Right? (you're not a ditto head are you?)

And this is data on the current budget situation:

http://qz.com/29796/the-us-budget-deficit-is-shrinking-faster-than-at-any-time-since-world-war-ii/

http://maddowblog.msnbc.com/_news/2012/10/12/14399005-us-budget-deficit-shrinks-by-over-200-billion-reaches-4-year-low?lite

Bush left us $1.4T deficit, Current 2013 est from non partisan CBO is $845B

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/cbo-budget-deficit-estimated-854b

Deficit is dropping faster than anytime in history!! If the repubs would stop obstructing all efforts to strengthen the recovery we could really reduce the budget deficit.

So if the Clinton surplus was a Myth is the current deficit a Myth also.? Maybe now we really have a surplus?

[-] 1 points by gnomunny (6587) from St Louis, MO 1 year ago

Well, here's what I was reading:

http://www.craigsteiner.us/articles/16

http://www.craigsteiner.us/articles/30

http://quaap.com/D/clinton-surplus-factcheck.html

I'm not defending Bush, by the way. I can't stand that fucker.

[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Numbers are wonderful things and much can be shown by playing with/fudging with them. When they are very large numbers with many inputs/outputs it is that much easier.

I understand the logic that with the national debt rising when an annual surplus is claimed is questionable. Of course we count our annual deficit/surplus the same way each year so I'm afraid the claimed Clinton surplus still stands.

I mean clearly the focus only on Clintons surplus and the great lengths (creative math) they've gone to discredit it might have something to do with their conservatism.

You think maybe it's just a partisan hack job.?

Why can't you stand Bush?

[-] 1 points by gnomunny (6587) from St Louis, MO 1 year ago

True, numbers can be fudged. And politicians and the media are masters at it. We can agree to disagree about the Clinton surplus, but I'll bet we're in complete agreement about our feelings about Bush. Actually, the whole Bush family. Evil, war-mongering, globalist war criminals. And that's just for starters.

Edit: I'm definitely not a 'ditto head,' fyi.

[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

let me be honest and say that Clinton was a profound disapointment in his support and signing of Bush I's nafta without adequate labor/environmental requirements, and for signing the dismantling of conservative policy to dismantle Glass Steagal.

The surplus was nice but kinda meaningless in the big picture.

[-] 0 points by shadows (-39) 1 year ago

Wikipedia is an unreliable source, for anything. Cut the spending on over lapping programs that waste money. You can tax the " rich" but if you dont cut the wasteful spending, it ownt work.The only purpose of of an ever expanding safety net is to make more and more of the population reliant on the govt.

[-] 3 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

Very few people 'rely' on the govt. I support cutting waste, but also support expanding benefits. Especially real single payer, public option healthcare!

Remove the cost of private health insurance and people will have lots more disposal income to consume and grow the economy.

In addition, single payer can use the power/authority of govt to end the obscene price gauging of med device, prescriptions, etc.

http://healthland.time.com/2013/02/20/bitter-pill-why-medical-bills-are-killing-us/

[-] -1 points by shadows (-39) 1 year ago

"Very few people " rely"on the govt"? A record number of people receive food stamps due to the obama economy.

[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

The increase during this Bush great recession coupled with the stagnated wages of the last 35 years (caused by the corp 1% oligarchs) will be resolved/reduced oncewe get wages up, invest in job creation and get the economy growing again.

As soon as repubs stop obstructing these efforts and stop with the phony misguided distraction of cutting the meaningless deficit we will get moving.

[-] 0 points by lights (-38) 1 year ago

Wikipedia provides a list of references for each article, and it is constantly reviewed. It is not an unreliable source. That's a long busted myth. Do your homework and check the references.

[-] -1 points by shadows (-39) 1 year ago

Wiki is a joke except for those that are suckered in by it.

[-] 0 points by lights (-38) 1 year ago

Why is it a joke? It provides references that can easily be checked. It is written and re-written and re-viewed by millions of people. It constantly gets better, unlike an encyclopedia you purchase in book form.

Your stuck rehashing old myths that existed when Wikipedia first came out. You think books never have errors? Take 10 pages from Wikipedia and compare them to an encyclopedia in book form then read all the references and you'll see the number of errors are just about equivalent. Such a test as been performed by experts on more than one occasion.

You sound like a misinformed, tired, and angry old man.

[-] -1 points by shadows (-39) 1 year ago

You probably think that Snopes is "reliable "too.

[-] 0 points by lights (-38) 1 year ago

Red herring. Stick to the subject. It does not matter what I think, and we aren't talking about Snopes. I'll talk about it later if you want, but first provide some evidence as to why Wikipedia is not a good source of information. Once you do that, I'll be happy to provide studies that show it's just as good if not better than encyclopedias in book form.

Learn to back up your claims with evidence instead of hiding behind logical fallacies. Man up. Show the evidence. You made a claim and decided to stand by it, now supported with hard evidence.

[-] -2 points by shadows (-39) 1 year ago

wiki is an accumulation of biased opinons.

[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

private publishers cannot help but be bias by the exclusion of others

[-] 0 points by lights (-38) 1 year ago

Regular publishers are also biased. In fact, there is no such thing as being absolutely unbiased.

Wiki allows for a broader spectrum of editors than regular encyclopedias, there is therefor a broader spectrum of divergent opinions.

Do you have other arguments?

[-] -1 points by Nevadaone (-55) 1 year ago

"you greedy, selfish, heartless neocon piece of shit!!"

My,how inclusive and tolerant of you. I expect nothing less from a Progressive.

[-] 2 points by inclusionman (7064) 1 year ago

You are what you are.

[-] 0 points by shadows (-39) 1 year ago

Libs/dems/progressives are tolerant,.......as long as you agree with them.

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[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

You're still here.

Still passing bullshit and lies.

Don't you agree?

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

WallStreet did that years ago.

Where were you?

[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 1 year ago

Are you the anti-christ ? I believe [polls are more accurate than blanket accusations from the toilet
Here are some real numbers : readem & weep


One in four Americans think Obama may be the antichrist, survey says

PPP Poll asking voters about conspiracy theories reveals alarming beliefs – including 37% believing global warming to be a hoax

About one in four Americans suspect that President Barack Obama might be the antichrist, more than a third believe that global warming is a hoax and more than half suspect that a secretive global elite is trying to set up a New World Order, according to a poll released on Tuesday.

The survey, which was conducted by Public Policy Polling, asked a sample of American voters about a number of conspiracy theories, phrasing the questions in eye-catching language that will have the country's educators banging their heads on their desks. The study revealed that 13% of respondents thought Obama was "the antichrist", while another 13% were "not sure" – and so were at least appeared to be open to the possibility that he might be. Some 73% of people were able to say outright that they did not think Obama was "the antichrist".

The survey also showed that 37% of Americans thought that global warming was a hoax, while 12% were not sure and a slim majority – 51% – agreed with the overwhelming majority view of the scientific establishment and thought that it was not. The survey also revealed that 28% of people believed in a sinister global New World Order conspiracy, aimed at ruling the whole world through authoritarian government. Another 25% were "not sure" and only a minority of American voters – 46% – thought such a conspiracy theory was not true.

At least some of the insane theories suggested by the poll were dismissed by large majorities. For example, only 7% of Americans in the survey believed the moon landing was faked, 14% believed in Bigfoot and 4% accepted that "shape-shifting alien reptilian people control our world by taking on human form". In other good news, Paul McCartney will be relieved that a mere 5% of respondents believed that he died in a car crash in 1966 and was replaced by a double so the Beatles could continue their careers, and just 11% embraced the concept that the US government knowingly allowed the terror attacks of 11 September 2001 to take place.

The survey was carried out in order to explore how voters' political beliefs impact on their willingness to embrace conspiracy theories – it did indeed find that the partisan divide that is blamed for many problems in Washington DC also extends to the world of paranoia, aliens and Sasquatch. For example, when it comes to thinking global warming is a hoax some 58% of Republicans agreed and 77% of Democrats disagreed. While 20% of Republicans believed Obama is the antichrist heralding the End Times, only 13% of independents did and just 6% of Democrats.

"Even crazy conspiracy theories are subject to partisan polarization, especially when there are political overtones involved. But most Americans reject the wackier ideas out there about fake moon landings and shape-shifting lizards," said PPP president Dean Debnam.