Forum Post: END THE FED KID
Posted 12 years ago on Oct. 5, 2011, 12:54 a.m. EST by Philm
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the one smart kid in a sea of liberal idiocy. You people should be supporting him and his message, not deriding him. Capitalism isn't the problem. It's big government and politicians in bed with big corporations. I know many of you barely graduated high school or studied art in college, but c'mon.
If you get rid of capitalism, guess what takes it's place by default? COMMUNISM! The rich will stay rich, but occupy a new place in society - Communist leaders. The rest of us, middle class, lower class, and you protesting idiots, will make up the proletariat (yes I've read Marx). Then you"ll finally have your equality - we"ll all be slaves!
Face it, the world isn't fair and no two people are the same. Except when it comes to rights and opportunity. That's why we live in America and have a Constitution. This country must be preserved and the physical borders protected by the Army. You're a moron if you think we're part of a global society. Europe and Russia are corrupt and bankrupt. The Middle East and South America and China are run by dictators. Do you really think we should join hands with the world and open our borders? Put down the weed for a day and you"ll realize that most countries in the world hate American values and personal freedom and can't wait to destroy us.
Philm - couldn't agree with you more!
O and I support immigration = LEGAL IMMIGRATION!
Healthcare is not a right. No one is responsible to take care of you.
There's no Liberty without Personal Responsibility
(you got to wipe your own ass. If you can't there's always charity - libertarians like me give a lot to charity and volunteer. It's the morally correct thing to support those who TRULY can't take care of themselves, but by no means is it an obligation. To force me to pay for you is against my liberty.)
Amen!
Well I spent some time tonight reading Occupy Wall Street blogs and youtube interviews and I'd like to apologize:
There do seem to be a lot of very intelligent people in the movement including some of you who posted above. I'm glad there's a thought pattern that America is unique and can return to being the greatest country in the world. Capitalism/ freedom is not the problem, rather it's the political enterprises that have severely damaged our society.
I"ll try to make it out to the big protest tomorrow. I just hope no union thugs get in the way.
Corporatism is the problem. Cartels.
agreed. "Edumacation" is needed to combat their indoctrination in the public school system or their brainwashing professors.
Amen! Amen! Keep speakin the truth brotha!
btw Phil, I'm not one of the OWS people...I'm just here on the site trying to edumacate some of them.
Capitalism = Freedom The requirement to sell your labour to someone who can take advantage of you because they have a preponderance of physical and financial capital is freedom. "Freedom is slavery"
You're taking it in both ends from the arch capitalists in the financial sector after the capitalists in the industrial sector off-shored your jobs. The propertied classes took the extra profits and lent them to you at interest because you didn't have the money because of stagnating wages at a time of record profits. How creative!
Here's a note of appreciation from the rich I found online:
" Let's be honest: you'll never win the lottery. On the other hand, the chances are pretty good that you'll slave away at some miserable job the rest of your life. That's because you were in all likelihood born into the wrong social class. Let's face it -- you're a member of the working caste. Sorry! As a result, you don't have the education, upbringing, connections, manners, appearance, and good taste to ever become one of us. In fact, you'd probably need a book the size of the yellow pages to list all the unfair advantages we have over you. That's why we're so relieved to know that you still continue to believe all those silly fairy tales about "justice" and "equal opportunity" in America. Of course, in a hierarchical social system like ours, there's never been much room at the top to begin with. Besides, it's already occupied by us -- and we like it up here so much that we intend to keep it that way. But at least there's usually someone lower in the social hierarchy you can feel superior to and kick in the teeth once in a while. Even a lowly dishwasher can easily find some poor slob further down in the pecking order to sneer and spit at. So be thankful for migrant workers, prostitutes, and homeless street people. Always remember that if everyone like you were economically secure and socially privileged like us, there would be no one left to fill all those boring, dangerous, low-paid jobs in our economy. And no one to fight our wars for us, or blindly follow orders in our totalitarian corporate institutions. And certainly no one to meekly go to their grave without having lived a full and creative life. So please, keep up the good work! You also probably don't have the same greedy, compulsive drive to possess wealth, power, and prestige that we have. And even though you may sincerely want to change the way you live, you're also afraid of the very change you desire, thus keeping you and others like you in a nervous state of limbo. So you go through life mechanically playing your assigned social role, terrified what others would think should you ever dare to "break out of the mold." Naturally, we try to play you off against each other whenever it suits our purposes: high-waged workers against low-waged, unionized against non-unionized, Black against White, male against female, American workers against Japanese against Mexican against.... We continually push your wages down by invoking "foreign competition," "the law of supply and demand," "national security," or "the bloated federal deficit." We throw you on the unemployed scrap heap if you step out of line or jeopardize our profits. And to give you an occasional break from the monotony of our daily economic blackmail, we allow you to participate in our stage-managed electoral shell games, better known to you ordinary folks as "elections." Happily, you haven't a clue as to what's really happening -- instead, you blame "Aliens," "Tree-hugging Environmentalists," "Niggers," "Jews," Welfare Queens," and countless others for your troubled situation. We're also very pleased that many of you still embrace the "work ethic," even though most jobs in our economy degrade the environment, undermine your physical and emotional health, and basically suck your one and only life right out of you. We obviously don't know much about work, but we're sure glad you do! Of course, life could be different. Society could be intelligently organized to meet the real needs of the general population. You and others like you could collectively fight to free yourselves from our domination. But you don't know that. In fact, you can't even imagine that another way of life is possible. And that's probably the greatest, most significant achievement of our system -- robbing you of your imagination, your creativity, your ability to think and act for yourself. So we'd truly like to thank you from the bottom of our heartless hearts. Your loyal sacrifice makes possible our corrupt luxury; your work makes our system work. Thanks so much for "knowing your place" -- without even knowing it!"
This movement is going nowhere because the American working class is too stupid to see their own interests.
"If you get rid of capitalism, guess what takes it's place by default? COMMUNISM! "
Yes, you have read Marx very astutely. I'd say your joking, but sadly, you aren't.
Libertarians are just capitalists who pretend inequality jives with freedom and human rights. Libertarians are committed to hereditary wealth and relations governed by contract (i.e. they really, really, really love the state that guarantees this violent legal structure while feigning that there is some minor defect in the system (e.g. the "Fed") that has distorted the "Free Market" which brings "freedom" and the sunrise.
Of course, there never has been a free market and free markets are an impossibility. If they did exist, they would still result in gross inequality and injustice. At least classical liberals allowed for a redistribution of wealth, if and only if (henceforward "iff") political rights were not detrimentally affected by a maldistribution of wealth (which they acknowledge "may" be the case). Libertarianism doesn't give a shit about economic equality. Rather, it maintains the pretence that inequalities of wealth do not negate political equality. The doctrine is propounded by those who want to maintain the status quo with respect to property relations. They steal their patina of humanism from the real libertarians who were Anarchists in the same way Nazism pretended to be a form of Socialism. Nonetheless, it is a great ideology for upper middle class AM radio/internet talk show hosts who have never missed a meal, who defend their “right” to own a SUV, who possess hereditary wealth (i.e. private sector “entitlements” are just OK), who have a profitable business model of disseminating any conspiracy theory whether it has merit or not and who screens/censors callers who attempt to point out the obvious to their audiences. No need for AJ to worry. His audiences aren’t swift enough to see who has their boot on their throats even if he let the educated callers through or didn’t pull the faux screaming and hang-up out of “frustration” routine once he knows he’s got some old man on the line who could call him out on his historical distortions.
You are just one of Jone's clones. That it is morally repellent to support a system of gross inequality that leaves children hungry and homeless is lost on you in your goodness. Good of you to toss a coin or two in your immense generosity. Sure is cheaper than paying taxes. Libertarians are so transparently mean spirited it also eludes them that there is no freedom if your basic needs are not met. People have no rights to food, shelter, etc..., only this nice man's charity.
Liberty to you is just an excuse for selfishness. You wouldn't recognize it if it ran you over.
The rich can pay someone to wipe their asses and brainwash the masses.
"Hereditary wealth" I've thought about that for quite some time. So you don't suppose people should allow things to be passed down to their next generation? How about Gramma's dresser? What about things of greater value, both sentimental and economic? Do you suppose they should be stripped away by an oligarcichal authority that decides who gets what?
And how isn't their a right to own an SUV? Suppose it is an electric one and doesn't pollute. How am I affecting anyone else's rights by owning it? Merely because it is large? Do I have a right to start a publishing company that uses large amounts of carbon and energy making comic books? Why do I? These things aren't necessary, so I shouldn't be allowed to make them. After all, energy is collectively owned, right?
Agree completly, this guy going at the root of the problem. Thank you for the video!
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Well I don't disagree with everything you said but you are wrong about a few things. Most countries do NOT hate American values or freedom or want to destroy us. There's only one country in South America that is run by a dictator, and even that is arguable. I don't understand how you think we are not part of a global society? We are part of a global society economically, culturally, and militarily.
Brent, what he's saying is that if we adopt the method that other countries have, we will end up like them -- broken! The USA is the last bastion of hope in the world...it is the closest thing to freedom...most people don't realize how precious it is until they go to other countries.
I don't think we have it bad here in the US, think we have it great. I love this country and the freedoms and opportunities we have here. I've been to a lot of other countries and wouldn't say that they are all broken compared to us. There are many countries where people live very good lives. I think there is a lot that we can learn from them and a lot that they can learn from us. Isolating ourselves certainly won't help anything.
The day we stop learning is the day we go down! My point though, is that the US should not go down the failed roads that other countries have already tried. We do need reform but, not the kind that the OWS is proposing. This country has been taken over and brainwashed beginning with the school systems. There is a huge lack of education in understanding the economic system of what made America successful in the first place. People blame the banks but, that is is just a symptom of a more systemic disease. The Federal Reserve and corporatism are the root causes of all of our problems. Firstly by dollar devaluation and centralized banking and secondly by govt-corporate alliances. We can make the necessary corrections but, we need to stop trying to remedy the acne outbreaks and find out what causes the hormonal imbalances, not putting on ProActiv everyday.