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Forum Post: End LEGALIZED BRIBERY... let's throw the bums out!

Posted 2 years ago on Nov. 24, 2011, 2:35 p.m. EST by beamerbikeclub (414)
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I don't know if it's catching on, but Americans Elect is an attempt to have better choices and candidates that are NOT being "bribed" by lobbyists.

yes... if "we" vote for 3rd party candidates we could end up with "the evil of the lesser of the 2". but... I ask everyone... are we Serious about our Revolution or not??

http://www.americanselect.org/

check it out and spread the word

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[-] 2 points by shooz (26680) 2 years ago

Looks like more RP crap to me.

RP 100% on environment?

Is that supposed to be a joke?

[-] 1 points by beamerbikeclub (414) 2 years ago

What does RP mean?

What do you mean? I think it's legit. I heard about it from Matt Miller who is a policy-wonkish kind of guy from the Clinton Admin. who now does an NPR show called "Left, Right, and Center" (he's in the center).

[-] 2 points by shooz (26680) 2 years ago

mr. Paul is anything but an environmentalist.

He got 100%.

[-] 0 points by beamerbikeclub (414) 2 years ago

oh... Ron Lawl.

no, it's not that. it's an effort to use the internet to get candidates (that don't take lobbyist donations) on the ballots.

[-] 2 points by shooz (26680) 2 years ago

Ever heard of front groups and astro turffing?

How did Paul get 100% on the environment?

[-] 1 points by beamerbikeclub (414) 2 years ago

I don't know... perhaps because libertarians are super active on the internet and he is their darling.

I know what astro turfing is and front groups too. Again, I'm relying on Matt Miller here, because I find him trustworthy and entirely credible. He's kind of an establishment democrat but he's written and talked about how Congress is just broken anymore and our problems are not being solved.

If libertarians take over Americans Elect, well then yeah, we need some other way to have candidates. But I don't have a quarrel with libertarians (at the moment!).

[-] 2 points by shooz (26680) 2 years ago

How did Paul get 100% on the environment?

That makes the whole thing, highly suspect, in my book.

[-] 1 points by beamerbikeclub (414) 2 years ago

again... I don't know. please do be skeptical. but we need some candidates don't we?!

[-] 1 points by AFarewellToKings (1486) 2 years ago

yes, we will very soon need two elected delegates from each congressional district: https://sites.google.com/site/the99percentdeclaration/

[-] 1 points by TexasThunder (68) 2 years ago

I find our elected officials incompetent to govern. They need some incentive that will mean something to them instead of putting funds at risk that will cause harm to those persons and institutions who can least afford such loss. I suggest that these officials’ pay and/or benefits be cut if and/or when they fail to do their job. As it is, party “a” threatens to harm parties “”d” through “z” if parties “b” and “c” can’t come to an agreement. It makes no sense whatsoever to threaten Congress with cuts that will not have any impact on them directly. Our Constitution establishes the type of government we are to have. We do not need to establish any “sub” groups within these institutions. They are all responsible collectively to govern and if/when they fail to do so they are all liable collectively. The “carrot and stick” method only works when the carrot or stick is guaranteed to the same one. These officials have received their carrot upon being elected as they shall receive full pay and full benefits for the rest of their life even if they only serve one term. I say put all options “on the table” including their lifetime pay and benefits. I’m of the position that such a “stick” would cause these officials to get their head out of the clouds and their feet on the ground.

[-] 1 points by justanobserver (29) 2 years ago

A third party abiding by the same rules is not going to change much.

This movement is a once in a lifetime opportunity

1) to fundamentally change how government is conducted in every country.

2) to put into place measures that guarantee the sovereignty of nations.

3) to ensure that the raison d'être of governments everywhere is the well being of society as a whole

4) to ensure that since we live in one world, that no nation works to the detriment of another/all other nations.

[-] 1 points by beamerbikeclub (414) 2 years ago

no... I agree... yikes... I don't mean a 3rd "party" I mean a 3rd option on every single ballot for every seat.

I agree... OWS's strength is that... so far... it is NOT a "party". At least not that kind!

I should rephrase my post. It's a 3rd option... but not a party. check it out please.

[-] 1 points by justanobserver (29) 2 years ago

These are extraordinary times and opportunities:

We need to ask ourselves does one play by the existing ground rules or does one lay down the ground rules.

Do we need elections or do we just nominate the leader, government and a congress tasked with the job of implementing what I mentioned earlier (an incomplete list of tasks).

No voting on this or that, just doing what the people want. With the democratic process already in place it is now time to act.

[-] 1 points by beamerbikeclub (414) 2 years ago

well, I'm as ready as anyone for the barricades in the streets and a complete full-tilt Rebellion.

but I still believe in our American Constitution and system of government. If we can only get Real people on the ballot, not these corporate stooges and ideologues.