Forum Post: End GREED, it's a cancer
Posted 12 years ago on Nov. 2, 2011, 11:05 a.m. EST by StanBrunswick25
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Greed, like cancer, is spreading uncontrollably throughout America.
A book mentioned on this forum; Wildfire;The Legislation That Ignited the Great Recession, should be a guidebook for this movement. Pass this message along to unite OWS.
We will get on that right after we outlaw Unhappiness, Bad Thoughts, and Lust! Are you people seriously trying to legislate against human emotions?!?
We legislate Murder. How is Greed different?
We legislate murder because it is a behavioral product of either anger, greed, or just plain insanity. It is an action the way theft is an action. Greed is an emotion the way anger is an emotion. What you're talking about is like making anger illegal because it leads to murder. You can see how crazy that is, right?
Greed is an action, the same way Murder is an action. One may have Greedy thoughts, just as one might have Murderous thoughts, but unless they are acted upon, they are meaningless. They effect no one.
OK, demonstrate greed for me at your computer. Do it! Perform greed for me! If you find that you can't do it, it's because it is NOT A FUCKING ACTION!!! It is an emotion, and to demonstrate it, you would have to perform some other action such as stealing. It's the same as you demonstrating your stupidity by writing or speaking.
Hrm, I was going to respond, but you've revealed yourself so I'll say this instead.
I'm sorry you live in a world of hate. I hope your life improves.
Couldn't demonstrate it huh? I guess since I've revealed what YOU are, I'll say this...I'm sorry you live in a world of ignorance and stupidity. I hope your life improves and not at my expense. Good luck!
Greed is a behavior not an emotion and yes we are trying to legislate detrimental behavior.
Greed is not a behavior BTW, it is an emotion. Theft would be a behavior that results from greed, and there are already laws against that!
No, greed is a behavior. Greedy behavior at the moment is legal.
I rest my case...if greed was a behavior it couldn't be used to describe a behavior. It's an emotion that leads to behaviors that are greedy. Your collective lack of understanding is why direct democracy would be a massive failure.
Legislate detrimental behavior? That would mean that you would need representation at the state and federal level! How exactly does becoming violent and breaking the law, assaulting cops, and all other type of clearly "detrimental behavior" accomplish that goal?!?
Don't be mislead by the few delinquents that ARE breaking the law within the movement. They are within the small minority.
That's not what it looks like from where I'm sitting. It would appear that the nuts are running the asylum.
Greed hasn't changed since the dawn of mankind, and neither will it. the only thing thats changed is the people who make the rules have more control now than ever, and the greed has wings........
It's unbelievable. The G20 -- the most powerful summit of world governments -- meets tomorrow to discuss the global economic crisis, and who is sponsoring the meeting? Banks and corporations!
That surprises you? What the real funny part is, see which leaders Obama shakes hands with now. Then wait a year and see which one has been hunted down and killed by the USA because he's a bad guy.......
A major component of Roosevelt's New Deal was reform of the nation's banking system. With strident language Roosevelt took credit for dethroning the bankers he alleged had caused the debacle(The Great Depression). The Glass-Steagall act of 1933, which was repealed by Republicans in 1999.
GeorgeMichaelBluth, WTF are you talking about?
I think it's funny that a year ago Barry Obama was shaking hands with gaddafi now he is praising his death. I wonder, who is next?
Your a right wing religious dupe.
And you can't spell.
Right you can't defend your position so attack the person. Typical trick of the misinform or out right liars.
Umm, did you see your terribly spelt post? You attacked me, my point is valid and self explanatory, if you don't understand, you just have to ask an adult to explain it to you....
Explain what? you delivered zero information and sources in your original post, only your opinion. Which I take is as good as fact and sources. Correct me if I am mistaken.
There Is a War Going On For Your Mind
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tP5yA3RwzOk
G20 brought to you by Citibank and BofA.
Shocking!
Greed can only be combat by fear.
Since greedy people do not care, because its not their problem. The solution is to make it their problem. Until that is the case, nothing will change.
Occupy Wall Street is a great start to ending greed. Education and teaching compassion are ways to end greed. The most important thing to end greed is to change the entire society and the way it runs. If employers, government and other people in powerful positions hired and rewarded people who show no greed and act altruistically this would end greed by use of peer pressure. Of course if the masses promoted altruistic behavior than by majority rule than greed would end. Peer pressure is a very powerful tool since they used it against us for years so why not turn the tables on them.
No one nor any movement can remove an innate context to our being.
Greed imo is one of the biggest problems we face in this revolution!
http://takingbackamerica78.blogspot.com/2011/11/corrupt-politician-of-week.html
At least the greed that gets us into trouble, so stop borrowing.
Take on the Higher education bubble, student loan bubble, GoldmanSachs, and the federal Reserve all at the same time. Occupy the Art Institutes on Nov 5 in solidarity with south Florida.
http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=130962100345051
http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=278790262155872
concur
Start by not borrowing any more in any form. Cut that credit card to pieces.
stanbrunswick25
i feel sad that you had to reply to spammers to bump your post, but ok, maybe you're new here.
I am new to this forum. Thanks for the heads up; duly noted...
define greed
I don't know, people are demonstrating to keep their entitlements right now. We have been acclimated to our social services and it will be difficult to give them up. It is greedy to demand things our government can no longer afford to give us but we must try to be good citizens and depend more on ourselves.
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End. Greed. Now there's a workable solution. All we have to do is end greed. Let's do a jingle fingers on that and see if everyone agrees. jingle fingers
Pr!ck alert! Pr!ck alert!
So is Envy.....~ Envy is an insult to oneself. ~
End greed
End gluttony
End wrath, of the OWS moderators
End pride, gay or otherwise
End envy, and alliteration
End sloth, of the OWS type
End lust, like the OWS raping etc.
Agreed. Greed has become a worldwide epidemic. America is ground zero. Don't get me wrong. I don't hate America. But damn. We have some issues.
We have been mislead by Reagan, Bush Sr, Clinton, Bush Jr, Obama, and nearly every other public figure. Economic growth, job creation, and actual prosperity are not necessarily a package deal. In fact, the first two are horribly misunderstood. Economic growth/loss (GDP) is little more than a measure of domestic wealth changing hands. A transfer of currency from one party to another. The rate at which it is traded. This was up until mid ’07′ however, has never been a measure of actual prosperity. Neither has job creation. The phrase itself has been thrown around so often, and in such a generic political manner, that it has come to mean nothing. Of course, we need to have certain things done for the benefit of society as a whole. We need farmers, builders, manufacturers, transporters, teachers, cops, firefighters, soldiers, mechanics, sanitation workers, doctors, managers, and visionaries. Their work is vital. I’ll even go out on a limb and say that we need politicians, attorneys, bankers, investors, and entertainers. In order to keep them productive, we must provide reasonable incentives. We need to compensate each by a fair measure for their actual contributions to society. We need to provide a reasonable scale of income opportunity for every independent adult, every provider, and share responsibility for those who have a legitimate need for aid. In order to achieve and sustain this, we must also address the cost of living and the distribution of wealth. Here, we have failed miserably. The majority have already lost their home equity, their financial security, and their relative buying power. The middle class have actually lost much of their ability to make ends meet, re-pay loans, pay taxes, and support their own economy. The lower class have gone nearly bankrupt. In all, its a multi-trillion dollar loss taken over about 30 years. Millions are under the impression that we need to create more jobs simply to provide more opportunity. as if that would solve the problem. It won’t. Not by a longshot. Jobs don’t necessarily create wealth. In fact, they almost never do. For the mostpart, they only transfer wealth from one party to another. A gain here. A loss there. Appreciation in one community. Depreciation in another. In order to create net wealth, you must harvest a new resource or make more efficient use of one. Either way you must have a reliable and ethical system in place to distribute that newly created wealth in order to benefit society as a whole and prevent a lagging downside. The ‘free market’ just doesn’t cut it. Its a farce. Many of the jobs created are nothing but filler. The promises empty. Sure, unemployment reached an all-time low under Bush. GDP reached an all-time high. But those are both shallow and misleading indicators. In order to gauge actual prosperity, you must consider the economy in human terms. As of ’08′ the average American was working more hours than the previous generation with far less equity to show for it. Consumer debt, forclosure, and bankruptcy were also at all-time highs. As of ’08′, every major American city was riddled with depressed communities, neglected neighborhoods, failing infrastructures, lost revenue, and gang activity. All of this has coincided with massive economic growth and job creation. Meanwhile, the rich have been getting richer and richer and richer even after taxes. Our nation’s wealth has been concentrated. Again, this represents a multi-trillion dollar loss taken by the majority. Its an absolute deal breaker. Bottom line: With or without economic growth or job creation, you must have a system in place to prevent too much wealth from being concentrated at the top. Unfortunately, we don’t. Our economy has become nothing but a giant game of Monopoly. The richest one percent of Americans already own nearly 1/2 of all US wealth. An all-time high. More than double their share before Reagan took office. The lower 90 percent of Americans own less than 10 percent of all US wealth. An all-time low. Still, the rich want more. They absolutely will not stop. Now, our society as a whole is in serious jeapordy. Greed kills.
Those of you who agree on these major issues are welcome to summarize this post, copy it, link to it, save it, show a friend, or spread the word in any fashion. I don't care who takes the credit. We are up against a tiny but very powerful minority who have more influence on the masses than any other group in history. They have the means to reach millions at once with outrageous political and commercial propaganda. Those of us who speak the ugly truth must work incredibly hard just to be heard.
A major component of Roosevelt's New Deal was reform of the nation's banking system. With strident language Roosevelt took credit for dethroning the bankers he alleged had caused the debacle(The Great Depression)
Your quote " In order to create net wealth, you must harvest a new resource or make more efficient use of one". We can make efficient use of the resource (the 1%) Eliminate the Tax breaks and tax payer give away's to them, Tax them at a rate equal to or higher than in 1999. Break up the Big Banks, reenact the Glass-Steagall act of 1933, which was eliminated in 1999 by the Republicans and is credited with causing the Financial crash of 2007-2008. Install the heads of the new regulatory institutions currently be held hostage by the Tea Party Republicans(Religious Right). Stop the obstruction of Government and it's Institutions by the Tea Party Republicans. "This an act of War on America" and cannot be allowed to stand, They wrap themselves in the Constitution all the while they are subverting it. We must all support OWS our Country needs us to defend the Constitution and American Democracy.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banking_in_the_United_States#Glass-Steagall_Act_of_1933
with money, there will always be greed and businesses trying to outdo each other. the ultimate result of losing business is losing jobs. our planet has enough resources for everyone so we should just get rid of money, do things we are passionate about and live in peace.
Very well said, if you haven't already read the book mentioned in my initial post. It will soon become a middle class anthem! Congress, CEOS beware.
So is envy
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I agree, greed needs to be eliminated. Lower and middle class Americans need to take a look at what the rest of the world survives on before being greedy for that house in the suburb bought with sub prime mortgages. We wouldn't be in the shape we are if middle and lower class Americans were willing to be less greedy and live within their means, perhaps share apartments like the rest of the world does.
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Great link and a wonderful compliment to the book!