Forum Post: end bush tax cuts , rebuild America bridges and roads , invest in middle class not banking class thats the occupy wall street message.
Posted 13 years ago on Oct. 10, 2011, 10:20 p.m. EST by oceanweed
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end bush tax cuts , rebuild Americas bridges and roads , invest in middle class not banking class thats the occupy wall street message.
We do need the jobs bill - we need to rebuild our infrastructure. This should be a bipartisan issue, to bring our country back to greatness. china has 6 of the top ten 'most advanced' ports in the world - we have zero. We are no longer in the top ten for education, we have been outstripped in manufacturing. Our roads, dams and bridges are literally crumbling, but we spend our time debating birth certificates and gay marriage? It is about time the 99% showed their anger and took the protest to the streets - and in all towns big and small. Thank you all for speaking out. Withdraw your money from the big banks and put it in your local credit unions. Do it this Saturday. March against the big financiers that dragged us into this mess with their greedy mortgage derivatives. No more private profits balanced by public losses. That has never been the American Way.
another good point china spends over 2 trillion on stimulus to its people a year,but american corporations have made record profits,when warren buffet says yes we should pay our fair share republicans say send a check in.
Republicans has become the slave of money and the speaker of top 1%.
thats true and there are some calling themselves ows who dont support tax cuts for middle class modernize roads and bridges invest in middle class not banking class by raising minimum wage thats the oocupy wall street message
No kidding - is that the most insulting thing you have ever heard? McConnell derides Buffett by saying "if he feels so guilty he can send a check" - and now a suggestion to add a check box on the IRS 1040 form to "tax me more"? And these people want to be taken seriously as the leaders of our nation?
yeah and scary
rebuild it with what? we are already 14.7 trillion dollars in the hole. Lets get the budget to a sustainable level, then worry about infrastructure. If you want to create jobs; free up energy companies to drill, mine, and research.
who are you?!
Apparently I am someone researching the issues better than the rest of the people I've encountered in here.
End bush tax cuts, I like. I would prefer to see them ended with a NEW and more infallible tax code.
Create a government funded jobs program like in the Great Depression, which would involve rebuilding bridges and roads, but also updating the power grid, water utilities and train infrastructure.
The statement "investing in the Middle class" is pretty vague, I don't see how that could or should be a clear message of our movement- by rebuilding bridges and roads and ending the Bush tax cuts we would essentially be investing in the Middle Class.
I think that the other tenet of our message should be reduction of student loan debt.
finally you understand my plight the media says we have no message and are wild hopefully these are things we can unite on." invest in middle class not banking class" as whole
We're all trying to hammer out something like this. Again though, "investing in the middle class and not banking class" isn't particularly specific or necessary if we're talking about ending the Bush tax cuts and implementing a jobs program, because the job program would really be an investment in the middle and working class.
so what are you saying support the jobs bill?
Not the Obama jobs bill, a jobs bill- hopefully something that comes out of this movement- that would be wonderful. We need something more comprehensive than the Obama jobs bill- something along the lines of a Great Depression kickstart. That bill could easily have the revised tax-code rounded in with it and it would certainly make both provisions more permanent.
thats what the jobs bill is infrastructure bank 21st century industrial revolution if anything we tell them go bigger
Yes. That's exactly what I'm trying to say- just go bigger. But it's a start at least.
alright man Im down sounds like a plan
Cool.
How does the government or wall street lower student loan debt? If you borrow, you pay back. That's a given. Should someone else pay our debt? I am a stuent, and it is worth it to me to have to pay back my student loans for the opportunities that my degree is going to open up for me. I live below the poverty line & have my entire adult life, and was homeless for a big chunck of my childhood. I am more than happy to work hard and pay for the opportunities that an education will afford me. A help up is one thing, a hand out is something completely different.
Fortunately I didn't say that the government should simply give me a handout to solve my student loan debt, I said that one of the tenets of our message should be reduction of student loan debt. Working on Wall Street and with our government are many of the banks that are responsible for the student loans that we are dealt.
I am a graduate and I have been living below the poverty line for my entire adult life as well. I have never been homeless, but I've constantly had almost no money to keep my rented apartments and I have been constantly in debt. When I am employed, I'm employed in part-time jobs that I am overqualified to do. Even still, work's work- I'll take it and I'll do my best.
If this is the way that my college education is going to "pay off" for me, then I think I have a right to be a little upset about it and I definitely think that I have the right to challenge the constantly rising interest being poured onto my student loans. Even something like a nationwide temporary forbearance would be fine with me, but none of us can feasibly pay our student loans right now- we're all in debt and we're all in poverty.
What is your degree in?
If I tell you what my degree is, regardless of what my degree is, the chances are, that you will tell me that my particular degree is worthless and I should have gone for something more practical that could get me a job. I'm pretty sick of this argument, so I think I'm not going to tell you.
Again, who are you?
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: One of the main pillars of Conservative propaganda is that both parties are the same. Nothing they say is further from the truth. It is an insidious lie intended to demoralize progressives, and discourage them from voting. Do not fall for this canard, because if both parties are the same, there is no hope for change, and therefore no reason to vote. The truth is that there is a difference between the parties. A stark difference! One party works for the rich, the other party works for all Americans. One party takes money from the needy to feed the greedy, and the other party takes money from the greedy to feed the needy. One party has plans and policies to create jobs, and the other party has a long list of lame excuses for not doing anything. Liberals want to change things. Conservatives want things to stay the same. There is a difference. One party wants to tax the rich, and the other party wants to tax the poor. One party wants to destroy Unions, and the other party wants to support them. One party supports the Occupation of Wall Street, and the other party doesn’t. One party wants to rebuild America, and the other party doesn’t. One party wants to provide health care for all, and the other party doesn’t. One party wants to regulate Wall Street, and the other party doesn’t. One Party wants to end the wars; the other party wants them to go on forever. There is a difference. One party is Myopic, and the other party is Far Sighted. One party wants to help the Middle Class, and the other party is at war with the Middle Class. One party wants to fire Teachers, and the other party wants to hire them. One party wants to create more jobs in America, and the other party wants to create more jobs in Asia. There is a difference. One party wants to protect pensions, and the other party wants to loot them. One party has a heart, and the other party has Ann Coulter. One party protects the right bear Arms, and the other party protects the right of freedom of assembly. One party believes that the only role for the Government is to provide for the common defense, and the other party believes that the Government should also promote the general Welfare. There is a difference, and anybody that tells you there is no difference between the parties is simply not conversant with reality. In addition, anyone that blames the Democrats for the current state of affairs has no understanding of who controls the Government. One Party has the Presidency, and the other party has the Majority in the House, controls the Senate, has a majority on the Supreme Court, and is responsible for current economic policy. So, if you’re angry, and you want to start a real fight, I submit that we should start a real fight with the Conservatives! America has a Two Party System. One party is clearly on your side, the other party thinks you’re and Anti-American mob. At some point in time you’re going to have to pick one. Choose wisely, your future is at stake
ows from start has been democratic and all republicans do nothing but demonize the movement read the signs listen to the people and see tax rich get money out of politics end wars have never been backed by republicans tax cuts for middle class modernize roads and bridges invest in middle class not banking class by raising minimum wage thats the occupy wall street message
Still agree.
ows from start has been democratic and all republicans do nothing but demonize the movement read the signs listen to the people and see tax rich get money out of politics end wars have never been backed by republicans tax cuts for middle class modernize roads and bridges invest in middle class not banking class by raising minimum wage thats the occupy wall street message
tax cuts for middle class modernize roads and bridges invest in middle class not banking class by raising minimum wage thats the oocupy wall sreet message
tax cuts for middle class modernize roads and bridges invest in middle class not banking class by raising minimum wage thats the oocupy wall sreet message
ax cuts for middle class modernize roads and bridges invest in middle class not banking class by raising minimum wage thats the oocupy wall sreet message
tax cuts for middle class modernize roads and bridges invest in middle class not banking class by raising minimum wage thats the oocupy wall sreet message
end bush tax cuts , rebuild America bridges and roads , invest in middle class not banking class thats the occupy wall street message
End the Federal Reserve Board.
Hold a recall election with campaign finance reform.
Enforce a limit to lobbying campaigns
Develop a sustainable economy.
Human beings are not inherently greedy.
Human beings are a product of their environment.
Human beings reflect their environment.
The human race is suffering from a value system disorder.
We, as a society cannot seem to denote wrong from right.
This must change.
The world must evolve.
The government must evolve.
The economic system must evolve.
Peace, Love, and Unity.
end bush tax cuts , rebuild America bridges and roads , invest in middle class not banking class thats the occupy wall street message
ttax cuts for middle class
ax cuts for middle class modernize roads and bridges invest in middle class not banking class by raising minimum wage thats the oocupy wall sreet message
ax cuts for middle class modernize roads and bridges invest in middle class not banking class by raising minimum wage thats the oocupy wall sreet message
ax cuts for middle class modernize roads and bridges invest in middle class not banking class by raising minimum wage thats the oocupy wall sreet message
tax cuts for middle class modernize roads and bridges invest in middle class not banking class by raising minimum wage thats the occupy wall street message
tax cuts for middle class modernize roads and bridges invest in middle class not banking class by raising minimum wage thats the oocupy wall street message
Let's become one voice and let everybody hear it!
when ever anyone asks what our message or you see post that dont promote ows just say and type tax cuts for middle class modernize roads and bridges invest in middle class not banking class by raising minimum wage thats the oocupy wall street message
tax cuts for middle class modernize roads and bridges invest in middle class not banking class by raising minimum wage thats the oocupy wall street message
I gotta ask this, how is buidling roads and infrastructure going to improve our ecomony? The roads are already there..the infrastructure is already there. If a road is to be built the job will go to a crew that is already assembled, if a building is to be built it will be the next job on the list for that year. And ending the Bush tax cuts...do you honestly believe that the government will save money by ending it? No money goes out for this! When i have extra money in my pocket I spend it...i tip more....it gets trickled down...it doesnt stay in my bank account.
I gotta ask this, how is buidling roads and infrastructure going to improve our ecomony? The roads are already there..the infrastructure is already there. If a road is to be built the job will go to a crew that is already assembled, if a building is to be built it will be the next job on the list for that year. And ending the Bush tax cuts...do you honestly believe that the government will save money by ending it? No money goes out for this! When i have extra money in my pocket I spend it...i tip more....it gets trickled down...it doesnt stay in my bank account.
we need to modernize roads and bridges for the 21st century that will create millions of jobs that will be here for next 100 yrs
Agree! Read this: http://robertreich.org/
Yes, strongly agree. Its so simple isn't it. But we all have to suffer so that the parties can duke it out to the bitter end of the republic. The middle class is what made this country great. We are the golden goose that, for the moment anyway, got kilt because of greed.
tax cuts for middle class modernize roads and bridges invest in middle class not banking class by raising minimum wage thats the oocupy wall street message
tax cuts for middle class modernize roads and bridges invest in middle class not banking class by raising minimum wage thats the occupy wall street message
Why don't the rich understand that subsidizing us puts money in their pockets? The more money we have to spend the better off they will be too. Putting people to work puts money in the economy. I believe in hard work and paying taxes but only if I am not subsidizing the rich. Taxes support infrastructure, education and healthcare. The Republicans would rather vote against a bill to create jobs and have people out of work than do anything to help Obama or the dems. This struggle can be one that crosses class lines and builds a better country.
that why this should be our message so the media will stop labeling us as no message tax cuts for middle class modernize roads and bridges invest in middle class not banking class by raising minimum wage thats the oocupy wall street message
tax cuts for middle class modernize roads and bridges invest in middle class not banking class by raising minimum wage thats the oocupy wall sreet message
ax cuts for middle class modernize roads and bridges invest in middle class not banking class by raising minimum wage thats the oocupy wall sreet message
You cannot reform because you are not free. They rule the world with violent domination. You are not free. They have killed millions in the last 10 years. The collapse is a pretext to WWIII. We must DEMAND PEACE now. Nothing else matters.
people without jobs matter people with no healthcare matter fighting for higher wages thats ows
People in the USA only? The problem is larger. That is my point. You will not be able to address jobs, healthcare, slave labor until there is Peace in the world. Our system is enforced under violent domination. If you can't first admit this you are likely to be head faked by some fake reform. We will have NOTHING without Peace.
europe has already admitted that if america fixes its problem the rest will follow
Please take no offense to this. America's problem is violent domination. And yes, if people demanded peace the rest of the world would rise up in solidarity and demand it as well. The financial system of the entire world is owned and operated by the same group. The work between the EU and the US is a side-show produced for effect. The collapse is engineered. When you see the markets crash do not be alarmed. Remember this conversation and stand free and brave and demand Peace.
true you re heart is in the right place and that demand is a ows pillar but right now we need to focus on what we can achieve right now like pushing politicans to pass the jobs bill and demand it to be bigger because we need jobs and middle class wealth to subdue the angry so we can achieve love and peace
Peace to you. When the markets crash know it's been engineered and demand Peace. It's rigged. The problems have been created for the purpose of pulling everyone into war.
I will
Peace oceanweed!
end bush tax cuts , rebuild America bridges and roads , invest in middle class not banking class thats the occupy wall street message.
end bush tax cuts , rebuild America bridges and roads , invest in middle class not banking class thats the occupy wall street message
end bush tax cuts , rebuild America bridges and roads , invest in middle class not banking class thats the occupy wall street message
end bush tax cuts , rebuild America bridges and roads , invest in middle class not banking class thats the occupy wall street message
end bush tax cuts , rebuild America bridges and roads , invest in middle class not banking class thats the occupy wall street message
end bush tax cuts , rebuild America bridges and roads , invest in middle class not banking class thats the occupy wall street message
end bush tax cuts , rebuild America bridges and roads , invest in middle class not banking class thats the occupy wall street message
end bush tax cuts , rebuild America bridges and roads , invest in middle class not banking class thats the occupy wall street message
It takes two to screw us! Politicians to hold us down, so then the Corporations can do the screwing!!! Politicians need better rules to follow to prevent lobbying! We tax payers should fund important elections, so the best person wins and not the one with the most money!!! The movement needs at least these demands!!!!!!!!!!! Pass The Word!!! Lets Get It Together!!!
true but later right lets get americans back to work by end bush tax cuts , rebuild America bridges and roads , invest in middle class not banking class thats the occupy wall street message
this will not gain republican support and is misleading dylan ratigan blames both sides like their equal and he ignores that the occupy walls street movement is about taxing the rich.By blaming both sides unequally he is hurting the movement ows is for the right now what hes proposing will take years
while push congress to end bush tax cuts , rebuild America bridges and roads , invest in middle class not banking class thats the occupy wall street message can be done now.
end bush tax cuts , rebuild America bridges and roads , invest in middle class not banking class thats the occupy wall street message
Cut spending. Pass a balanced budget amendment that negates a years pay for any legislator in office if a balanced budget does not get passed on time every year.
cut spending thats tea party talk ows is for the middle class
I am middle class thank you. Cutting spending is the only way forward for reducing our debt and restoring the confidence necessary for businesses to start investing in growth.
that wont create jobs or give the middle a break when ending bush tax cuts starting the buffet rule rebuild bridges and roads will comments like yours gives the media right to assume we have no clear message when we do tax the rich from the start read the signs and listen to the people.
All that does is continue to feed leviathan. It doesn't grow wealth. Wealth is grown by supply meeting demand in agreed interactions. Taxation is done under threat of force - it is wealth destruction.
We have several common goals: we want to end the corporate money poisoning our government don't we? I thought that is why we were here. We want the average person in the nation to be able to have a better life than their parents did. We want more happy well fed children getting a good education - right?
from the beginning ows protestors have said tax the rich we dont support dylan ratigan who blames both sides like their equal which is misleading to ows movement we are about the right now not 2 yrs from now
Short sighted policies for short term gain are what caused our current mess. Continuing to pursue such actions will cause much more harm in the long run. I plan to be alive in the next ten years so I care about the long run. So should you.
how long do you think it would take to rebuild america for 21st way longer than 10 years and would put people back to work now who dont have jobs who marching for jobs and to tax the rich the dylan raigan thing does nothing to help the middle class people and will get no republican support people are hurting now and all it it is a conversation
A while certainly. I can see economic recovery starting in earnest in 2 years if we start making the changes we need. However given the partisan nature the large changes won't happen quickly at all.
Infusions of cash are backed up by printing money which increases our debt. That only works until other nations stop buying our bonds. At that point the dollar itself collapses - that means everyone who still has a job gets paid nothing because the dollar is worthless. Everyone's savings and checking accounts - worthless. This is the long term problem we face. Nine percent unemployment or total monetary collapse.
This is far more serious than most people understand.
thats bull you ignore the fact that republicans are not coming together they walked out of debt deals tea party said lets default john boehner got 94% of what he wanted and we still got a downgrade OWS protesters know the facts and what side to choose we just want it to grow even if that means letting people like you that lie on the movement give an opinion
Going to a meeting now. I'll check back later tonight about 3 4 hours I would imagine.
hope so
Ok back.
how did the meeting go
It was alright, not a lot of the food was eaten which was a shame. Too much standing. Other than that I met some very nice people.
did you discuss the ows movement
A bit in passing, lots of people who just repeated what they heard on the news - I cleared up a few things. Got asked more about it while I was logged in to the debate when I got home though.
thats what we need clarification because the media assumes that we are all over the place. So what do you think our message should be?
I think our message should be to create a separation of business and the government like we have with religion and the government. It means no PAC contributions from any non individual real human being, it also means no regulation except against fraud and harm on business (and how trade between states where they disagree and between national borders) at the Federal level.
No money into politics and no regulation that encourages business to control it going out.
the dylan ratigan view I like if we get money out of the way end bush tax cuts , rebuild America bridges and roads , invest in middle class not banking class will be realistic also raising the minimum wages
Roads and bridges need it thats for sure. I don't think tax cuts would help. How about we end the wars, put 50% of that to infrastructure and the other 50% to debt?
Minimum wage is a price floor on labor which is horrible - especially during high unemployment.
tax cuts for middle class i agree scale down troop levels but still keep occupation at spend savings on infrastructure and debt but also raise taxes on those who make over one million to increase revenue pre bush era
Money taken out of the economy only slows it - I cannot agree with tax increases on anyone. The last thing we need is more brakes on the economic engine.
Ok off to bed, I have to be at work in 7 hours. I'll pick it up then if you've replied. Good night.
how can you say that bill clinton left us a surplus due to the tax rate that he had on the very wealthy Good morning
Clinton showed a paper surplus because he moved line items around. That is accounting tricks. Read about it here: http://mises.org/daily/542
We haven't had a functional surplus (in one budget year) for over half a century.
A default would force the problems to go away instantly but the resulting wave of instant collapse would be horrific. We need to cut what can be cut and support what needs to be phased out slowly as much as we can. We are only currently standing for three reasons:
warren buffet says yes we should pay more republicans say send a check in thats why ows is on the streets inequality
push congress to end bush tax cuts , rebuild America bridges and roads , invest in middle class not banking class thats the occupy wall street message
push congress to end bush tax cuts , rebuild America bridges and roads , invest in middle class not banking class thats the occupy wall street message
push congress to end bush tax cuts , rebuild America bridges and roads , invest in middle class not banking class thats the occupy wall street message
push congress to end bush tax cuts , rebuild America bridges and roads , invest in middle class not banking class thats the occupy wall street message
When you say "End the Bush Tax Cuts"...he cut taxes in every tax bracket, and actually increased the amount of people on the low-end who don't pay taxes at all.
I'm not sticking up for Bush, but there's a misconception that he only cut taxes on the high-end.
you have not checked the facts obama said remove tax cuts on who make over 200,000 dollars
republicans are being weeded out
lets start the 21st century industrial revolution
push congress to end bush tax cuts , rebuild America bridges and roads , invest in middle class not banking class thats the occupy wall street message
Before we push for any goals or demands, list, we may want to consider what strategy may give us the best chance for success http://occupywallst.org/forum/how-we-win-one-perspective-on-where-we-go-from-her/
so whats the strategy
It's described on the post at the link above.
whats wrong with a 21st century industrial revolution infrastructure or simply tax the rich then do the dylan ratigan thing because no republican will support get money out of politics and ows is about the right now to help people get jods
We need to get beyond the labels republican and democrat and discover what we have in common. Once we do discover we're the 99% there won't be a need for demands, just decisions. See this link which outlines what I'm describing http://occupywallst.org/forum/how-we-win-one-perspective-on-where-we-go-from-her/
you are wasting time while the republicans are tearing the movement apart when democrats support ows get real
You can already see what your paradigm looks like. We've been living it for years pitted against each other while the 1% laugh. We are 99% of the population if we lift our heads out of the sand to realize it. I think we've wasted enough time on maintaining divisions and "camps". We need to find what we have in common and operate as a block. Then we won't be just rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. Instead we'll be building a real democracy. That's no waste of time my friend.
you really dont understand ows is middle class read the signs talk to the people and they say with majority say tax the rich your type of talk lets the media label us with no message ows are not republicans and never will be
That's the kind of divisive talk that gets us stuck in gridlock. You're missing te dozens of posts and comments from people across the country whose friends, parents etc are conservative republicans but are supporting Occupy Wall Street because they feel the same way about the big banks and corporations. They feel the same frustration. We all feel it. We've been powerless and locked in this silly false battle for so long. Both parties are bought and paid for by Wall Street my friend. And now we have a chance to form a more perfect union.
they support it now but your still avoiding that occupy wall street is being demonized by the republican party. In that case stop this middle ground mess and get with democrats because your not with the majority of ows Ill take my message to masses against yours any day and see who gets booed or worst
push congress to end bush tax cuts , rebuild America bridges and roads , invest in middle class not banking class thats the occupy wall street message
push congress to end bush tax cuts , rebuild America bridges and roads , invest in middle class not banking class thats the occupy wall street message
push congress to end bush tax cuts , rebuild America bridges and roads , invest in middle class not banking class thats the occupy wall street message
push congress to end bush tax cuts , rebuild America bridges and roads , invest in middle class not banking class thats the occupy wall street message
push congress to end bush tax cuts , rebuild America bridges and roads , invest in middle class not banking class thats the occupy wall street message
push congress to end bush tax cuts , rebuild America bridges and roads , invest in middle class not banking class thats the occupy wall street message
push congress to end bush tax cuts , rebuild America bridges and roads , invest in middle class not banking class thats the occupy wall street message
http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2007/01/ten-myths-about-the-bush-tax-cuts
im talkin tax cuts for the middle class jobs bill
you said "end bush tax cuts"!! which means you are fine with screwing the middle class.... EVEN THE DAMN DEMOCRATS COULD NOT STOMACH THAT "JOBS" BILL.... IT FAILED IN SENATE btw... since you probably ignore the news
51 dems voted for 49 rep voted no you are so far right your right out of ows movement
You need to stop embarrassing yourself... It was 50 to 49 with TWO DEMOCRATS along with HARRY REID voting NO. It is NOT a jobs bill, it is a TAX and SPEND bill....
republican spin that has nothing to do with the ows movement and will only drive more hatred for republicans
okey dokey....
this is the right message
amen brother!
The Occupy Movement is being Hijacked by Obama, JP Morgan, Soros, etc.
You are being used as tools for Obama's 2012 Campaign!!!!
http://www.infowars.com/occupy-wall-street-stands-in-solidarity-with-obama-front-group/
republican spin
of course... because your perfectly socialist view of the world is correct in all things! A lot of people like you have grown up, actually educated themselves and understood, finally, how pathetically WRONG they were. I suspect you CANNOT be one of them. BTW, if you want some FACTS (dirty word for you I know)...
http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2007/01/ten-myths-about-the-bush-tax-cuts
This was before the current depression started....
end bush tax cuts , rebuild America bridges and roads , invest in middle class not banking class and raise minimum wage thats the occupy wall street message
http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2007/01/ten-myths-about-the-bush-tax-cuts
Can somebody please explain to me how tearing up a road and then building a new one adds to the economy? THIS DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE?!
It takes people to build roads! They make money for this. And they spend the money! This in turn makes more jobs! Would you rather give 650 billion more to wall steet and the banks? That worked out real well! Get a brain or start using the one you have!
A great liberal mind at work....
Where do they get the money from? The government takes the money from productive people making products (turning nothing into something) or services. NO WEALTH IS CREATED. It is only transferred. At best, it's a net zero to the economy.
Appreciate the insults. Stay in school
people do these things grass green food goes in mouth
We also have to insist that our imports are not made by slave kids earning $1 an hour. It is not enough to focus only on us, the problem is global.
we need to focus on the 99% we fix america everyone prospers lets not give the media right to assume we have no mesage
A major part of what's broken in America is what we buy because of what it costs.
no its not stop the fox spin
As much as i agree with the things listed by oceanweed, If we don't remove the money from Washington first then nothing we accomplish with the OWS matters. If we don't remove the money the top 1% will just throw piles of it at our politicians and undo any changes we make.
dlyan ratigan I like but he blames both sides like they are equal which is misleading to things I believe.Its a good idea for next year but right now ows can push congress to make immediate changes on end bush tax cuts , rebuild America bridges and roads , invest in middle class not banking class
Does it matter who is more wrong ?
We have a broken system. Until we fix that nothing else matters. I'm not try to discredit any thing you have said. I agree with all of it ! Think of it like a used car. We can fix the flat tires, the axles. Put new headlights and windshield wipers on it. If we don't fix the bent frame first it will just fall apart again in a few months.
Again i agree with every thing you said but those are things that will merely appease the masses. If that's all we are capable of... Whats the point of doing all this protesting ?
thats the tone that the media takes and gives them the right to assume we have no message
But that is a message. If you need more ...
Fund political campaigns with Tax dollars.
Remove special interest groups and Lobbyists from Washington. Special interest groups can have no contact with our politicians outside of an open public forum.
Make all donations to our politicians illegal. And i mean all and from every one !
Do those 3 things and we will be the ones to own and control our greedy politicians.
but again that takes an amendment on the constitution ows is for the right now
the OWS movement is a lot of things to a lot of people. None of us are right or wrong. The only thing we have in common is that we are sick of the greed and corruption on Wall Street and in our government... And we want it fixed.
your thinking is hurting the movement for real change and gives the media right to say we have no clear message
But we don't care what the MSM says. We know they are just another part of a broken system.
I highly suggest you go down to one of the OWS protests and start talking to people. It's the only way you will ever know what this is really about.
ive been down here from the start the first demands we had was to tax the rich so how are you helping by blaming both sides and sayin the media is broken but your solutions do nothing compared to what I have stated how are you helping ows?
Like i said before, the OWS movement is a lot of things to a lot of people.
From the front page of this very website ...
"Occupy Wall Street is leaderless resistance movement with people of many colors, genders and political persuasions. The one thing we all have in common is that We Are The 99% that will no longer tolerate the greed and corruption of the 1%."
so what am i wrong about?
Never voted to raise taxes.
Never taken a congressional junket.
Doesnt take the Congress pension.
Never voted for an unbalanced budget.
The Solution can be found in a man of unwaivering consistency for over 30 years!
http://youtu.be/BeHHq8s6V7U
Raising taxes is a tool. Would you hire a carpenter who refuses to use a screwdriver out of principle?
If he was building my deck, I sure as hell would not hire him. He would be using the WRONG tool... he needs a drill/ driver to screw the boards down or it would take him 10 weeks to get done! But if it was a government contract, you bet that asshole would be hired, and paid twice as much as the guy with the driver that could get it done in half the time. Perfect logic to you all I guess....
believes 911 was our fault will let a human die with no healthcare needs to take medication has kkk roots in his family. fact
2.He believes in what the individuals that were responsible said there motive was; our invasion on their soil. Think about it:
http://youtu.be/XKfuS6gfxPY
kkk? proof please.
His cause is one of liberty.
http://occupywallst.org/forum/imagine-a-revolution-imagine-liberty/
look up ran pual
Think you meant Rand.
http://www.chicagonow.com/publius-forum/2010/05/npr-tries-to-cast-rand-paul-as-kkk-sympathizer/
Only thing I could find to support your claim... Ignorance pawned as Wisdom
sorry for the spelling he wants the jim crow laws repealed,taxes,tea party the list goes on hes radical right
America will only be truly a great nation when every single American, indifferent to partisan politics can collectively come to agree that pork is the other white meat!
comments like yours esp takes the life out of our movement a gives the media the right to assume that ows has no message.moron
hope he keeps on then!!
and btw, you might want to look.... ows has NO message.... moron
whats worng with nationwide broadband modernizing our roads and bridges solar light poles raising minimum wage making the future for the next generaation thats ows it will also create jobs that will be here for the next 100 years
end bush tax cuts , rebuild America bridges and roads , invest in middle class not banking class thats the occupy wall street message.
Well if you want to just go on and keep denying the truth then what can I do? The facts are in front of you. It's up to you how you deal with them.
what are your facts? my facts are end bush tax cuts , rebuild America bridges and roads , invest in middle class not banking class thats the occupy wall street message.
But you continue to ignore the fact that pork is the other white meat! Why?
This is a significant part of the Stiglitz -Krugman answer to restoring American prosperity and ending the Republican Plutocratic Corporate tyranny
Oh such "out of the box" thinkers! "Invest" (ie. spend wildly) in middle class... explain what that means exactly
"Rebuild bridges and roads".... thought we did that with the first TRILLION! Where are we getting this money?
Oh, I guess by ending the Bush tax cuts.... yes indeed, the government spending 3.8 TRILLION (can you even fathom that amount?) is not ENOUGH... NOT ENOUGH. Unbelievable.
you are misleading form the fact that the first trillion was for infrastructure when it wasnt it was for stabilizing the economy from bank wall st bailouts
uh, Mr BHO specifically said a large portion for "shovel ready jobs". Yes, a large part went to bank bailouts (which I opposed), but an equal amount went directly to the UNIONS for pensions and lifetime health benefits (to keep states out of bankruptcy). Did a great job of stabilizing things it looks like.... permanent 9% or above unemployment and a crushing debt we can NEVER pay off.
You haven't actually bothered to read where the money went, have you? You know it's all recorded, right? Like, you can actually check?
Well, you can believe what you want.... YOU might want to go a little deeper than Recovery.gov. If you follow the money to the states, that was exactly where it went to help them budget these public union extravagances that are breaking them
Ah yes, the public union extravagances. Such as those pesky school teachers and their 40k yearly salaries. And healthcare, what an extravagance. And PENSIONS! God forbid they ask for pensions, something EVERY worker in America had 50 years ago, during the peak of American prosperity.
All you "occupiers" talk about is "CHANGE THE SYSTEM"! Now you say the system that is ACTUALLY bankrupting States needs to stay the same! God. Do you know anybody that has a pension (outside of these folks)? I sure as hell don't. It is outdated and can't be paid for. Excuse me, but we did not have the vast array of retirement options 50 years ago that we have today. Why can't teachers pay the same percentage of their healthcare that I do? Oh, because they are TEACHERS.... we can't ever talk about TEACHERS doing something more or paying more.
thats why this jobs bills creates a bank for the jobs pipes underground roads bridges over a100 years old time for 21st industrial revolution
Wow, what rock you been under... BHO: We screwed you all out of a trillion before, let us have another 1/2 trillion and I PROMISE to do it right this time... LOL
stop the fox spin you just stated that it was for stabilizing the economy
actually, you need to educate yourself on what is or did really go on before trying to "change the world". Read the post again.... if you think I believe it stabilized the economy.... never mind
Actually, half of the original stimulus has not even been spent yet, the projects are still pending. The half that did get spent bailed out the investment banks. While that maybe stopped the economy from sliding into an even bigger nightmare, the unintended consequence was that we did not find the bedrock under the sand that our banks were now built on - and that uncertainty is why we still have no stability in our economy. We should have let them fail. Most of us in the 99% would have been fine, we don't have millions to lose when the banks fail. Tha bailout only benefited the wealthiest among us.
I love this.... you are RIGHT, half the TRILLION was not spent yet. We were in such dire need of getting people working on "shovel ready" jobs that we STILL haven't done it!! And to make this a real clown funhouse, we need ANOTHER half trillion to get people working on "shovel ready" jobs. GOD, to you people THINK or just let this shit ooze out of your heads.
thats misleading the 99% were living in houses at the time of the mortage crisis so if we didnt bail those banks out our hole would be unreal
I know what you meant but you cant deny facts
He then said the jobs weren't as shovel ready after all.
whats worng with nationwide broadband modernizing our roads and bridges solar light poles raising minimum wage making the future for the next generaation thats ows it will also create jobs that will be here for the next 100 years
LOL, ROTFL, and all the rest. You crack me up man!!
we have to rebulid america for the 21st a new industrial revolution
god help us if the likes of your thinking take us there....
whats worng with nationwide broadband modernizing our roads and bridges solar light poles raising minimum wage making the future for the next generaation thats ows it will also create jobs that will be here for the next 100 years
I guess I can try but, seriously, you need to think for yourself at some point....
The people will WANT nationwide broadband so the likes of Verizon, AT&T, Sprint will undertake that and get it done in HALF the time and 1/4 of the cost the government could do it.
When you get the government out of the way and COMPANIES start hiring again, the tax revenue will rise immensely to the States and Feds. You then have the money to fix your roads and bridges and anything else you want to fix. What you want is the government to hand out x amount and go fix that road.... what happens when that road is fixed? the workers go home.
I'll give you some solar light poles, ok? Just not where I used to live in Seattle... would be a long, dark winter man. Just don't sit there and tell me I have to subsidize the making of those damn poles.
What should the minimum wage be BTW? $20/ hr, $30/ hr? How bout we just make it straight salary so everybody is happy. What's that salary gonna be Mr Weed? 50K? Cool, I can live on that! Good fucking luck finding ANY businesses left in the US.
You might also want to look into that "jobs bill" of BHO. He has $$, again, to retain teachers. Guess what, that money runs out after ONE year under his plan.... long way from 100 years
this why the ows movement is about getting republicans out the way so obama can take this energy and destroy republicans like you
LOL..... good luck with THAT one. He's done such a fantastic job so far that for the first time we have MOBS in the streets. I just got off another post that said, Hey we have no leanings democrat or republican, Jew, Muslim, christian... it doesn't matter. This place cracks me up.....
of course there will be republicans trying to keep us divided on a clear message
End Tax Cuts on the movement of money. Increase Tax cuts on Labor. Increase Tax Cuts on those who hire the Unemployed and Create More American Jobs!
Our corporations no longer have any allegiance to our country - they rent a PO box in the Bahamas and no longer owe taxes. They move the manufacturing jobs to countries that pay $1/day and import only those goods back into our stores (and they own all of the stores), in order to maximize their bottom line. They pay no heed to long term viability, only next quarter's profit margin. But we give them the loudest voice in our political system!?!?! Shame on ALL of us for allowing this to happen.
Wow, is that you Barack Obama? I've never seen the message of the ruling Democrats who are on the take from practically every Wall st special interest communicated so clearly.
Try this on for size. Vote out those from any party who facilitate crony capitalism.
Many of the Bush tax cuts help members of the middle class, especially those with any type of retirement fund.
END TAX cuts? uh that wouldn't help, we don't want more money taken from us