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Forum Post: Either president: enrich 1 %, more war, more military budget, cut everything else

Posted 2 years ago on May 15, 2012, 11:15 a.m. EST by bklynsboy (834)
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Romney and Obama are prisoners of the Military industrial congressional complex. Cut everything including health, education, infrastructure, science, food, regulation, enforcement, environment, aid to seniors and veterans, aid to poor, aid to unemployed, job creation, housing, ports, roads, bridges, tunnels, mass transit, arts, science, research, etc. But unlimited money for failed military projects.

Tomgram: William Astore, Hail to the Cheerleader-in-Chief! Posted by William Astore at 9:41am, May 15, 2012.

http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/175542/tomgram%3A_william_astore%2C_hail_to_the_cheerleader-in-chief!/?utm_source=TomDispatch&utm_campaign=fe30df0463-TD_Astore5_15_2012&utm_medium=email#more

Let’s start with this: according to the Pentagon, the production and acquisition costs of Lockheed Martin’s F-35 fighter jet, the military’s most expensive weapons program, have risen yet again, this time by 4.3% since 2010 to $395.6 billion. If you’re talking about the total cost of the system, including maintenance and support for the nearly 2,500 planes that will some (endlessly delayed) day be produced for the military, that has now reached an estimated $1.51 trillion, a 9% rise since 2010. All this for a plane that some experts doubt has any particular purpose in the future U.S. arsenal. At last, however, the House of Representatives seems to have had enough of wasteful spending programs. Perhaps its members also read the recent poll that shows Americans generally support more funds for the Defense Department -- until, that is, they are told just how much is spent on defense compared to other budget items. Then, 75% of them (67% of Republicans) back significant cuts, an average of 18%, in that budget to reduce the federal deficit. read more..............

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[-] 4 points by JoeTheFarmer (2654) 2 years ago

Only one congressman ever had the balls to say this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7zCWAmO9OM

[-] 1 points by bklynsboy (834) 2 years ago

Paul's great on this issue.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Terrorists or ... Introduced in Congress on October 2, 2002

21 (42%) of 50 Democratic senators voted against the resolution: Sens. Akaka (D-HI), Bingaman (D-NM), Boxer (D-CA), Byrd (D-WV), Conrad (D-ND), Corzine (D-NJ), Dayton (D-MN), Durbin (D-IL), Feingold (D-WI), Graham (D-FL), Inouye (D-HI), Kennedy (D-MA), Leahy (D-VT), Levin (D-MI), Mikulski (D-MD), Murray (D-WA), Reed (D-RI), Sarbanes (D-MD), Stabenow (D-MI), Wellstone (D-MN), and Wyden (D-OR). 1 (2%) of 49 Republican senators voted against the resolution: Sen. Chafee (R-RI).

[-] 4 points by JoeTheFarmer (2654) 2 years ago

Only one congressman had the balls to say this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7zCWAmO9OM

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

and no one resigned in protest

not a lot of decent of the republican side

overall the congress vote to go to war was a super majority.

[-] 3 points by JoeTheFarmer (2654) 2 years ago

"and no one resigned in protest"

Quitting is not the way to make change. Staying in your position and using your voice is a much smarter idea.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQfcWHZsdqg

[-] 0 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

I quit my "defense" industry job

when bombs started dropping on Iraq

[-] 2 points by JoeTheFarmer (2654) 2 years ago

There is a difference in quitting a defense industry job where you made bombs that killed people and quitting a job where you are in a position to influence ending the dropping of bombs. You can see the difference I hope.

Even though he would not win the nomination, he did get them talking about defense cuts, something that is so sacred and in some sense suicidal.

I am glad he was able to say this at 16 national events that were covered by the media and on the road during his campaign. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRdSzN3b6ck

[-] 2 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

That took guts. I'm proud of you.

[-] 1 points by danzer (-51) 2 years ago

What do you do now?

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

internet forums

trying to get Voting Day to be holiday before November

[-] 0 points by danzer (-51) 2 years ago

So, you're retired?

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

no

I work for the future of the world

[-] -1 points by danzer (-51) 2 years ago

Do you draw a salary for this work?

[-] 2 points by GregOrr (113) 2 years ago

I've launched a site to develop and popularize the people's proposals -- http://the99percentvotes.com

If it catches on, it will help to elect candidates who represent us. http://the99percenntvotes.com/howitworks

I hope you'll check it out, sign up, and spread the word.

[-] 1 points by bklynsboy (834) 2 years ago

Good luck. The present system is bought by pacs.

[-] 1 points by GregOrr (113) 2 years ago

Agreed. You should sign up - if it catches on, I think it can make a big difference.

[-] 1 points by bklynsboy (834) 2 years ago

Try facebook

[-] 1 points by GregOrr (113) 2 years ago

what's that mean

[-] 1 points by bklynsboy (834) 2 years ago

Put your links and message on it.

[-] 1 points by GregOrr (113) 2 years ago

I have, but many of my fb friends are not that political.

[-] 1 points by bklynsboy (834) 2 years ago

Just get it out there.

[-] 1 points by GregOrr (113) 2 years ago

Trying to - can you help? Post on fb? Digg? Reddit? Etc

[-] 1 points by bklynsboy (834) 2 years ago

where are the designs posted?

[-] 1 points by GregOrr (113) 2 years ago

Email me at greg@the99percentvotes.com and I'll send them to you.

[-] 1 points by GregOrr (113) 2 years ago

I also have flyer/poster designs, if you'd be interested in helping to put it around town.

[-] 1 points by SparkyJP (1646) from Westminster, MD 2 years ago

It a good site and I like the way it's designed. Kudos

[-] 2 points by GregOrr (113) 2 years ago

I appreciate it.

[-] 1 points by Kevinkyle (20) 2 years ago

F-35 fighter jet $395.6 billion, I know how to save a few dollars on this! Remove any Tech for pilot ejection seats, at this price the fucker or fuckers should be required to go down with the plane. We must also research its fuel economy (MPG) and if it can possibly be retrofitted to fly on Natural Gas. This “weapon” cost 20 times what Zukee’ got for Facebook.

[-] 2 points by bklynsboy (834) 2 years ago

:) Right on target, but there's so much more waste and paybacks to MIC and lobbyists.

[-] 1 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 2 years ago

good post

[-] 1 points by bklynsboy (834) 2 years ago

thx, yours too.

[-] 1 points by SparkyJP (1646) from Westminster, MD 2 years ago

Both candidates get their money from the same place, so it would make sense that they both have the same goals.

[-] 1 points by bklynsboy (834) 2 years ago

Interesting point but certain interests give much more to their candidates.

[-] 1 points by occupybrains (30) 2 years ago

Same can be said for Greece and France's new leaders. We thought we were getting change in 08. They think they are getting it now.

None of us will. Things will get worse. People will not be able to handle it.

Act accordingly..

[-] 1 points by bklynsboy (834) 2 years ago

Greece and France voters rejected austerity. That's why there are new governments. Cutting spending in a recession is proven ineffective. Look at this: Bush + Romney=Obama

18 http://www.prisonplanet.com/the-next-us-president-will-be.html/print/

[-] 0 points by occupybrains (30) 2 years ago

Doesnt matter what the voters want. Those two countries are insovent and dependent on loans to continue to finance their social services. Its going to end badly for them, with way more cuts than the past five years.

[-] 1 points by bklynsboy (834) 2 years ago

Unfortunately they badly affect everyone else.

[-] 1 points by PeterKropotkin (1050) from Oakland, CA 2 years ago

I think there may be an exception as far as greece. That guy isnt buckling on austerity, they are going to have to have new elections because of it.and I think that is a good sign. Hollande pretty much used the same slogans that Obama used in his election so we can expect much of the same from him as we did Sarkozy. I could be wrong though.

[-] 1 points by occupybrains (30) 2 years ago

Greece doesnt have a choice. They need cash infusions in order to survive, and especially if they want to keep giving social services. The only way they get that is to agree to cuts. They are screwed either way, and the people arent going to deal with it well.

Greece cant print its own currency anymore, so its screwed. Germany owns it, which was the plan from the beginning.

[-] 1 points by gestopomillyy (1695) 2 years ago

yes.. they can withdraw from euro... why do you think that idea scares germany? cause its possible. then germany.. goes into recession. i hope beyond hope the people make it known they will not tolerate the machinations of the 1% any longer. it will send a message to our politicians to stop the bullshit now.. while they are ahead.

[-] 0 points by occupybrains (30) 2 years ago

If Greece withdraws from teh Euro and tells them to go screw off, it would lead to some serious sanctions at the least.

The people that run the Euro/Fed Reserve/Dollars dont care about recession or Greece, they care about power.

I would be all for Greece telling them to screw off, we are out and not paying it back. But that would take serious balls, and if they had any balls and/or smarts, they wouldnt have joined the Euro to begin with.

[-] 2 points by gestopomillyy (1695) 2 years ago

yes.. it would be like a state seceding from the union. but what sanctions could hurt them any more than austerity?

[-] 1 points by occupybrains (30) 2 years ago

What sanctions?!! See what happens to their social programs and international trade when their entire banking system is frozen up.

They may go back to the dragma, but they still have a central bank that is controlled by the west.

The austerity measures that have been put in place are a walk in teh park compared to if they stop getting loans from the EU.

[-] 1 points by gestopomillyy (1695) 2 years ago

and how would thes affect people on the street? do these EU loans.. buy food, pay rent ? if not.. how does it affect someone with out a job? true many more may be without a job.. but thats what the plan is with austerity also. the actual people of greece would not be affected so badly as you think most likely. no worse than with austerity anyways. the 1% in greece would take a huge blow though jeesh they might have to wash thier own dishes!~

[-] 0 points by occupybrains (30) 2 years ago

The markets would value their currency at such a pathetic level that they would go through a massive upheaval in this global environment.

EU loans are the only thing that is keep the entire system up there. But its going to collapse whether they stay or leave, its inevitable. They are past teh point of no return.

And just like every other government, theirs could give two shits about the people.

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[-] -2 points by GreatTrue1 (0) 2 years ago

North Korea and the former Soviet defense spending far more money. The U.S. should not in this plan to give to someone because they have too many enemies. The main enemies of the United States is a Communist. They want to destroy the United States, and then destroy the American people like Hitler, the Jews. Russian propaganda broadcasts into all of inferiority, inadequacy and wretchedness of the American people. Learn the Russian media. Putin is a communist leader of this whole communist gang. U.S. needs a large military budget to protect their interests first and foremost from the aggression of the communist forces. Islamists minor threat. The main threat is global communism.

[-] 2 points by bklynsboy (834) 2 years ago

What alternate FOX planet are you living on?

CHART: U.S. Spends Six Times More On Defense Than China, Iran And North Korea Combined By Eli Clifton on Aug 5, 2011 at 3:17 pm

Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta is bringing out a full court press to prevent further Defense Department cuts beyond the $350 billion in reductions that are part of the debt ceiling deal. Panetta, with help from various hawkish pundits and op-ed writers, is doing all he can to present the U.S. defense budget as a completely justifiable expenditure to ensure American security and balance various strategic rivals. Panetta and others have said Congress should not take from the Pentagon’s coffers because of threats from Iran, North Korea, and China. Indeed all of these countries have shown a commitment to military spending and U.S. forces are often seen as balancing Chinese and North Korean regional ambitions. But absolute defense spending for the U.S., China, Iran, and North Korea reveals that U.S. expenditures are dramatically more than any of its rivals combined. See the chart below:

U.S. defense expenditures are six times the combined defense expenditures of Washington’s major strategic rivals. While Panetta is attempting to preserve his department’s budget — and it’s safe to assume that most government agencies are eager to protect their budgets from major cuts — his warning that defense cuts might hamper America’s ability to “make sure that rising powers understand that the United States still has a strong defense,” comes off as a fabricated scare tactic. Numerous examples of defense spending cuts ranging from $400 billion over the next four years to $1 trillion over the next decade have been proposed by politicians and experts from across the ideological spectrum. There is an emerging consensus that the U.S. has a significant military advantage over its nearest rivals and defense spending can be reduced without hurting U.S. national security. Tags:

[-] 1 points by VQkag (930) 2 years ago

I agree our military budget is disgustingly high, Many multiples higher than all our supposed adversaries combined. i believe with the right pressure that the Dems can be made to cut much more as the 99% would prefer. The repubs are too far gone. the parties are not the same. i can't agree with that.

[-] 1 points by bklynsboy (834) 2 years ago

When Obama extends tax cuts to the rich, starts an escalation of 30,000 troops to Afghanistan, cuts Wall St. regulation and food health inspections, allows environmental regulations to lapse, I have a problem.

[-] 2 points by VQkag (930) 2 years ago

I have a problem with that as well. This movement can grow and be the means of pressuring all dems to work for the 99%. The repubs are too far gone. Support OWS. Vote out anti regulation, anti epa republicans!

[-] 2 points by bklynsboy (834) 2 years ago

concur with that

[-] -1 points by Odin (583) 2 years ago

Having the "the dems" and "the 99%," in the same sentence tells me all I need to know

[-] 1 points by VQkag (930) 2 years ago

taking back an existing party is a viable option. You don't offer anything viable. work with us. Support OWS Vote out anti fin reg republicans

[-] 1 points by able132 (50) 2 years ago

Taking back an existing party is an impossible option. And let's correct your call-to-action:

Vote out ALL Democrats and Republicans.

[-] 1 points by SparkyJP (1646) from Westminster, MD 2 years ago

You must really like the taste of the shit the government and the media shovels. Open your mind and think independently.