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Forum Post: Egalitarianism will allow world to survive

Posted 7 years ago on Dec. 11, 2011, 10:54 p.m. EST by Turrac (84)
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Hierarchy is bad. Egalitarian communities of one person or more will allow the world to survive. No chiefs only Indians. I will establish my community in the white house by whatever means necessary! I'm traveling from Canada tonight.

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[-] 2 points by subversive1 (32) 7 years ago

Democracy is still the best form of government out there. The problem is that Americans got lazy and that allowed democracy to fail. Check out the statistics provided here, but keep in mind that these are likely to be skewed to appear better than the actual truth: http://www.sos.wa.gov/elections/voter_participation.aspx

According to these skewed numbers, less than 50% of the voting age population actually voted in the 2010 midterm elections. How can we expect to elect leaders to Congress that actually have the interest of the American people at heart, when over half of us don't even vote!

Now, I understand the "Douchebag vs Turd Sandwich" principle as well as anyone - which would you rather elect to congress? Neither obviously. That's why it is our responsibility to buck the faulty two-party system and find a new kind of candidate to elect to Congress.

If the other 50% of the population start voting, we can put responsible public servants into office, who will work together to fix the loopholes, and reinstate oversight and accountability into wall street and big business instead of taking kickbacks and driving our country into the ground.

It's time we stop being lazy and stand up for ourselves in the proper manner. Let's get some leadership brewing within our movement and run with it! A large collective of people will never amount to anything without at least some leadership and direction. The trick is to remain accountable for who you allow to lead and fix it if it becomes a problem.

We can do this together!!!!

[-] 1 points by vothmr (82) from Harrisonburg, VA 7 years ago

this is BS. people don't cooperate. there is no such thing as egalitarian. there are always hierarchies, families have them, villages have them, there must be coordination, leadership. people are born with greed. think about toddlers who know nothing about capitalism or hierarchy or anything like that. they are greedy little bastards, you know why? because people are born with the desire to accumulate more than others. set 25 toddlers in a room and give them a task. they will form leaderships and their will be followers, leaders, in short. anarchy and egalitarianism are merely theories that are flawed at their very core.

[-] 1 points by Turrac (84) 7 years ago

Toddlers emulate adults. Therefore behavior is learned. If the cyle is broken, children won't learn greed.

[-] 1 points by vothmr (82) from Harrisonburg, VA 7 years ago

i disagree. toddlers have no concept of money or value. do you discuss the need to save with a 3 year old? no, they are ignorant about value and hierarchies. they are naturally greedy. i reference the "mine" stage that all children go through. no one tells them that. they just do it and in fact parents try to teach that OUT of their children. your logic is flawed small groups of 12 at the most can cooperate but any lager than that and hierarchies naturally develops. check any psychology book. its probably right in the beginning. remember Pol Pot in cambodia? trying to create and egalitarian society? remember the strife and starvation that followed because people were forced out of their natural states and routines and forced to work where they were not needed. egalitarianism and anarchism and communism and socialism are all nice sounding but when you really think about it, they are flawed at their very core. that's why none of them exist today. they just simply don't work.

[-] 1 points by Turrac (84) 7 years ago

Who said I was proposing more than 12 people per community? Pol Pot was at the top of the hierarchy, therefore not egalitarian.

[-] 1 points by vothmr (82) from Harrisonburg, VA 7 years ago

ah, his goal was to create an egalitarian society by moving people out of cities and such into a rural environment. just what you said should happen

[-] 1 points by Turrac (84) 7 years ago

He dictated, therefore not an egalitarian. What did pol pot do to those who disagreed?

[-] 1 points by vothmr (82) from Harrisonburg, VA 7 years ago

read his bio. the camerrouge (please excuse my spelling) wanted to create an egalitarian cambodia. like i said before. centralized governance in some form is necessary to organize the masses for the common good.

[-] 1 points by Turrac (84) 7 years ago

Your opinion. Why do the masses need to be governed when there are no masses? There are simply small independent communities. I don't care what your community does or how you do it

[-] 1 points by vothmr (82) from Harrisonburg, VA 7 years ago

like in the amazon rain forest? they slaughter each other constantly and go to war with eachother all the time. they are a prime example of how small communities won't work together

[-] 1 points by Turrac (84) 7 years ago

Never said they should work together. Open your mind independent is independent.

[-] 1 points by vothmr (82) from Harrisonburg, VA 7 years ago

we tried that, a few thousand years ago. we stopped because you can't improve. egalitarianism is obsolete

[-] 1 points by Turrac (84) 7 years ago

Actually the crime usually occurs because someone has something another wants. Seldom is it just because....

[-] 1 points by vothmr (82) from Harrisonburg, VA 7 years ago

it is definitely because. ted bundy killed people not for money or anything but because of mental sickness. ideal types such as egalitarianism fail to take personal choice and human irrationality into account. there is evil in the world and there always has been. from the dawn of history. in the bible, cain was the first murderer. there are just evil people in the world. its tragic but a fact of life.

[-] 1 points by Turrac (84) 7 years ago

Sure there are evil people, but how many Ted bundy's are there? Most murders are as a result of robberies, drug deals gone bad, domestic violence, etc.

[-] 1 points by vothmr (82) from Harrisonburg, VA 7 years ago

and people don't use drugs, rob others, or beat wives when they live in an "egalitarian" society? of course they do. with no state to regulate them, they would be free to do whatever they want. i give to you the cast of the hi-fi murders in ogden utah. the short version is that 2 men robbed a store. after stealing everything they wanted, they forced the mother father and three children into the basement. they then force fed them drano. to stop the screams they ducttaped their mouths. the adhesive wouldn't stick because of the puss and foam comming out. the two men then forced the 16 year old daughter to strip. after repeatedly raping her they lined the family up agianst the wall, which was hard because they were all convulsing as the lining of their throats and stomachs was being burned off, where they proceeded to shoot them in the back of the head execution style. when the son. age 19 didn't die from the gun shot, they jammed a pen in his ear and kicked it in until it broke off (it exited his throat). he survived all of that. they then proceeded on their marry way. the point of this is to show that there is true evil all around us.it is hardly kept in check by the police and the state. and you want to live in a world where people like this aren't threatened by the police? and in an egalitarian society, i assume, guns would be gone. this kind of stuff happens all the time. there are many many sick fucks out there who are stopped because of fear of being sent to jail or shot by a good citizen. those men in ogden didn't need to torture, rape and kill that family. but they did. i think your idea that people are magically good and happy with what they have is a pipe dream. people are greedy and vengeful. this idea of a agrarian utopia free of money just wouldn't work. it would be chaos. people need order and structure. as soon as everyone is "equal" people will try to take what everyone else has and be better off then they are. they always have and always will. there is no way it would ever work.

[-] 1 points by Turrac (84) 7 years ago

You can't improve what? Stop writing in generalities.

[-] 1 points by vothmr (82) from Harrisonburg, VA 7 years ago

technology, standards of living, basic things like that.

[-] 1 points by Turrac (84) 7 years ago

What is the common cause of rape and murder?

[-] 1 points by vothmr (82) from Harrisonburg, VA 7 years ago

people. they killed each other long before money or government. when humans were just tribes. they would just be unleashed with no one to keep them in check

[-] 1 points by Turrac (84) 7 years ago

Government intervention solve no problems. Creates them. Massive waste of money. My approach eliminates currency

[-] 1 points by vothmr (82) from Harrisonburg, VA 7 years ago

we can't even keep people from murdering and raping eachother right now with the police. how does egalitarianism help that?

[-] -2 points by turak (-812) 7 years ago

YOUR approach? Just where did you get 'your' approach from, you fucking brainless baboon.

[-] 1 points by Turrac (84) 7 years ago

Perhaps the community doesn't need more technology. If you have nothing today, any standard of living would be an improvement.

[-] 0 points by vothmr (82) from Harrisonburg, VA 7 years ago

i wager to bet that you have more than nothing. since your on this forum i assume you own a computer or phone, which you pay for with a job that is most likely NOT farming. you sound like your head is screwed on your shoulders right so you probably graduated at least high school. you more than likely, aren't living the egalitarian lifestyle that you are proposing. and Idk about you but i appreciate tech. the world today is the most wealthy and affluent that it has ever been in history. egalitarianism would be giving up hundreds of years of forward progress because of a couple fairly minor issues (in the grand scheme of things). capitalism developed naturally, not by design of some evil corporation. the people created it. it is the most natural state of human interaction. Adam smith wrote in the wealth of nations, " humans are driven with a need to travel, trade and transport goods and services for profit" or something to that effect. egalitarianism at this stage would be like keeping a child from going to school because he doesn't like the way the milk tastes on Thursday. In other words a gross overreaction to a set of perceived problems that could be fixed with the smallest bit of intervention by both the government, consumer, and the producers.

[-] 0 points by fandango (241) 7 years ago

where are these "egalitarian" communities?

[-] 1 points by Turrac (84) 7 years ago

Answered this already.

[-] 0 points by fandango (241) 7 years ago

It's the Christmas season, put a little holly in you're heart and please answer it again.

[-] 1 points by Turrac (84) 7 years ago

Happy for Christmas. You've now asked same question at least 3 times.

[-] 0 points by fandango (241) 7 years ago

turrac can count. can't answer but can count.

[-] 1 points by Turrac (84) 7 years ago

I did answer your question. Fandango evidently can't read.

[-] 0 points by fandango (241) 7 years ago

one fish two fish, red fish blue fish

[-] 0 points by Thrasymaque (-2138) 7 years ago

How naïve.

[-] 1 points by Turrac (84) 7 years ago

You are right, children are naive.

[-] 1 points by fansmiles (24) from New York, NY 7 years ago

actually, collaboration is the key. it does not matter if people are equal as long as they support each other like a family. in "equal" societies, people feel cheated or unfulfilled. No one is really equal because people have different aspirations and world views. What helps is a sense of responsibility or duty based on tradition. People will serve others if they belong and are treated with respect.

[-] 1 points by Turrac (84) 7 years ago

What is your point? I dint need you to tell me about my community. Pee off dufus.

[-] 1 points by fansmiles (24) from New York, NY 7 years ago

Do you have a community or are you one of these lost individual souls? (no need to answer but a very important question for each of us.

[-] 1 points by Turrac (84) 7 years ago

Huh?

[-] 0 points by fandango (241) 7 years ago

and where do these "egalitarian " communities exist?

[-] 1 points by Turrac (84) 7 years ago

Wherever they'd like to. Why do you put egalitarian in quotes?

[-] 0 points by fandango (241) 7 years ago

alright, where are these egalitarian communites?

[-] 1 points by Turrac (84) 7 years ago

Answered this already

[-] 0 points by FriendIyobserver (-28) 7 years ago

I agree I am running OWS now and once my work is finished I will step down

Chest Rockwell

[-] 1 points by Turrac (84) 7 years ago

I need people to step up not step down.

[-] 0 points by turak (-812) 7 years ago

Well... it seems as if finally intelligent people are beginning to outnumber the trolls on this forum: good! That's what I've been saying all along. But not back to the stone age> modern cooperative communities already exist everywhere all over the world....The corporate mass media for profit commercial media including most of the internet media do not focus on all of these innovative examples of intelligent self-sufficiency.

[-] 1 points by Turrac (84) 7 years ago

I certainly didn't get my approach from twisting others research and hypothesis into some fictional white paper. BTW, why did you choose a name so close to mine? Are you copying me?

[-] 1 points by tympan55 (124) 7 years ago

"modern cooperative communities already exist everywhere all over the world"

THERE YOU GO AGAIN!!! Where are these self sufficient communities? How do they operate? Who owns the land on which they exist? How are conflicts resolved?

IT'S ALL A FAIRY TALE!

[-] 0 points by turak (-812) 7 years ago

wrong: you just haven't looked for any. Plus; they don't advertise their existence on internet web sites plus, most of them don't use a computer and are not linked into the internet The actual world cannot be found on your computer you are a troll freak who is out of control and you clog up the internet with your garbage] infantile spoiled babies who bawl expecting to be bottle-fed information are not worth speaking to

[-] 1 points by tympan55 (124) 7 years ago

You contradict yourself over and over again. You said previously that self sufficient communities have yet to be created therefore you didn't have a record of their process and progress. Now you say they have been established everywhere. Like always, you talk in circles.

The internet IS the actual world of today, whether you like it or not. You may want to retreat from reality into a figment of your feeble imagination, but no one wants to make that trek with you.

[-] 0 points by turak (-812) 7 years ago

Wrong: you are a detached insane freak. The internet is an abstract non-existent 2-dimensional illusion. You don't realize that all the living species on earth living their lives are not on the Internet. The clouds, the sun the rain the earth is not on the internet. Your blood is not on the internet. Your muscles are not on the internet.
There are MANY self-sufficient communities which exist all over the world: but none of them are like MY version of a self-sufficient community. Mine is more logical and more organic and more intelligent: that's all..

You are totally insane. There's no point in speaking to insane freaks Now fuck off and get lost.

[-] 1 points by tympan55 (124) 7 years ago

I asked you if there had been any basic social research done on your self sufficient communities and you said there was no data because they hadn't been created. Exactly where are these communities that exist all over the world? How do they operate within the boundaries of other sovereign nations? You are just a lair who can't even remember the lies you tell.

Our blood is not on the internet. The internet has gotten into our blood. The internet has a profound effect on our daily lives and is shaping the way we relate and respond to each other. The only way to apply for a teaching job at a public school is on the internet. I can video chat with my friends and family on the internet. I can learn about lunatics like you on the internet.

You say that the internet is, "non-existent." Create an argument in defense of this statement using your highly developed logical skills and I will explain to you why you are wrong.

[-] 1 points by flip (7101) 7 years ago

i like your style! i also like the idea but we have a long way to go - i think american indian communities (or almost any nation say 8000 yrs ago) are a good model but how do we get back to that. might be a good idea to think a bit smaller for now - do you know about the transition movement - i think it stared in england

[-] 0 points by turak (-812) 7 years ago

No: I haven't heard of it. I'll look into it.

But you are just like all the others: you're BACKWARDS You're regressive: not progressive; You're looking back into the past: not forward into the future. You're blind to all of the millions of new creative possibilities which exist today; you're trying to regress 8,000 years back into past instead of trying to look forward to the future. You're trying to MOVE backwards and instead of trying to move forwards. Your entire outlook is ass-backwards.

[-] 1 points by flip (7101) 7 years ago

you know nothing about my outlook so cut the shit - you who know nothing of the forward looking transition movement - and speaking of looking backwards - look at the book spaceship earth - by bucky fuller - written in 1969 and it is still looking forward - don't be an ass - you're not smart enough to pull it off

[-] 0 points by turak (-812) 7 years ago

Wrong: when you refuse to listen and refuse to learn and refuse to face the facts and refuse to face the truth: you're a backwatds-looking, regressive, neanderthal ass-backwards ASS.

[-] 1 points by flip (7101) 7 years ago

ok smarty pants - tell me what i think - you must be about 10 yrs old right - just learning to use the computer - keep taking your meds - you will be ok but find another site - your strange sickness is not helpful here. i would try to find a site with the word forward in it

[-] 0 points by turak (-812) 7 years ago

You are a FUCKING IDIOT and a PARANOID FREAK

your IDENTICAL PERSONA is WRITTEN ALL OVER THE DOZENS OF HANDLES YOU USE

YOU HAVE NO THOUGHTS OF YOUR OWN, NO WILL OF YOUR OWN NO PERSONALITY OF YOUR OWN, no SELF whatsoever

All you had to do to correct me is to tell me WHAT your thoughts are

but you didn't. WHY?

because you HAVE no fucking BRAINS and you HAVE no THOUGHTS or opinions or views about ANYTHING

1969 is in the PAST and so is all your other crap

All you have to do is tell me what you think

YOU DON'T!!

Instead YOU KEEP ALL YOUR THOUGHTS SECRET

THAT IS NOT HOW YOU DISCUSS ANYTHING you fucking IMBECILE: that is how you STOP discussion.

You come on this forum and 'dare' people to read your mind??

WHOOO HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! talk about a fucking brainless FREAKO CRAZY PERSON!

Awww boo hoo... da widdle babies was WHAT?? asked a question? Had its questions ANSWERED? Didn't LIKE da answer? Get off his form you stupid little child.

[-] 1 points by flip (7101) 7 years ago

You are a FUCKING IDIOT and a PARANOID FREAK - projection? - look it up - after you take your meds

[-] 0 points by turak (-812) 7 years ago

1969 is in the PAST and so is all your other crap

All you have to do is tell me what you think

YOU DON'T!!

Instead YOU KEEP ALL YOUR THOUGHTS SECRET

THAT IS NOT HOW YOU DISCUSS ANYTHING you fucking IMBECILE: that is how you STOP discussion.

You come on this forum and 'dare' people to read your mind??

WHOOO HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! talk about a fucking brainless FREAKO CRAZY PERSON!

[-] 1 points by flip (7101) 7 years ago

thank you - as usual it takes you a while to get it but don't worry - we can't all be quick - i do think staying on this site has made you more stupid so maybe you should take your nonsense (like this - There are MANY self-sufficient communities which exist all over the world: but none of them are like MY version of a self-sufficient community. Mine is more logical and more organic and more intelligent: that's all..

You are totally insane. There's no point in speaking to insane freaks Now fuck off and get lost.) somewhere else. i guess all are insane freaks except you and your organic smart community - one person in it right!

[-] 1 points by flip (7101) 7 years ago

you don't seem to be ignoring me - maybe you don't know what that means - again - look up projection

[-] 0 points by turak (-812) 7 years ago

I am now: goodbye

[-] 1 points by flip (7101) 7 years ago

oh yes - very secret to those who cannot think - that would be you in case you were wondering. my uncle would tell you that "you don't know your ass from a hole in the ground" - nice phrase don't you think - on the money here seems to me - ask me a question and i will tell you what i think but looks to me like you are not able to formulate a question in that tiny little brain of yours

[-] 0 points by turak (-812) 7 years ago

You HAVE NO OPINION ABOUT ANYTHING you stand for NOTHING you sit for EVERYTHING You need a prod up your ass before you say anything? Somebody has to goad you into speaking? You're a fucking jackass. You don't have any reason to even be here. You're a fucking time-wasting troll with nothing to say and nobody gives a fuck about you: so fuck off and go troll somewhere else because here you have already been identified and ignored.

[-] 1 points by Turrac (84) 7 years ago

Pee off dufus

[-] 1 points by Turrac (84) 7 years ago

Pee off dufus

[-] 0 points by turak (-812) 7 years ago

Another troll who needs to be kicked off this forum.

Thank you for identifying yourself and exposing yourself as the obscene thing you are.

[-] 1 points by Turrac (84) 7 years ago

You are a walking talking obscenity. Pee off dufus baby. Little person have his big feelings hurt?

[-] 0 points by turak (-812) 7 years ago

you're hallucinating: when freaks like you freak out: they should shut down their distraction machines and go to a therapist

[-] 1 points by Turrac (84) 7 years ago

Freaking freaker freaked freak. Freak off.

[-] 0 points by turak (-812) 7 years ago

Like I said: get help

[-] 1 points by Turrac (84) 7 years ago

Get help with what? What's the matter, you can't discuss issues like an adult?

[-] 0 points by turak (-812) 7 years ago

pee off dufus

[-] 1 points by Turrac (84) 7 years ago

I have already asked you to do that. Pls do so.

[-] 0 points by turak (-812) 7 years ago

Well I'm TELLING you to do it: understand? I'm not asking you, you fucking freak. Do you know what you are? Do you know what a copycat is? They are xerox machines without any human brains

[-] 1 points by Turrac (84) 7 years ago

Ok please give me your twisted definition of a reant and profanity. I can't wait.

[-] 0 points by turak (-812) 7 years ago

Is dat so... Then keep on waiting.

While you're waiting for 'reant; whatever that is. You can sit on your ass for the rest of your life: doing nothing but waiting. Enjoy.

[-] 1 points by Turrac (84) 7 years ago

So sorry I misspelled rant. Now that I've made the correction, please be so kind as to provide your definition.

[-] 0 points by turak (-812) 7 years ago

keep on waiting: maybe after you die you'll be given the answer... and then again maybe not

[-] 1 points by Turrac (84) 7 years ago

Actually, I don't believe your definition of copycat is correct. Does your use of profanity make you feel better? Do you feel it allows you to better express yourself? I've never heard of a xerox machine with a human brain. I don't understand what you are talking about. Not unexpected.

[-] 0 points by turak (-812) 7 years ago

You're mentally dead. You're emotionally dead. You're humanly dead. You're physically almost dead. You're a machine without human intelligence. You have no soul, no brains. You're a congenital liar. You're a paranoid freak. You're incapable of logic. Your reading comprehension is zero. These are facts: not opinions: which you avoid facing. You will wait for the answer to your lies until you die and none shall be forthcoming.

[-] 1 points by Turrac (84) 7 years ago

Hmmmm, another interesting rant. I have a great friend who is very good at breaking through psycho babble like you spew to help people. Is there a way I can put him in contact with you. I'm concerned for you.

I'm really concerned you might hurt someone else. Pls stay away from guns and explosives. Oh, also make sure you take your blood pressure medication. It feels like your head might explode with meaness and anger.

[-] 1 points by Turrac (84) 7 years ago

Now I must admit that I don't believe I will see you at the pearly gates after I die. I'm certainly not going to visit where you'll be going to get your definition of a rant.

[-] -1 points by turak (-812) 7 years ago

Of course you don't understand what I'm talking about: fuckface The reason you don't understand what I'm talking about is because you're a xerox machine missing a human brain. You don't like being called a fucking idiot? Oooh; da poor widdle baby doesn't like the truth: "WAAAAAAAAAAAAHHH!!" That is not unexpected at all. Why don't you come and meet me in person? I enjoy watching little paranoid freaks shitting their pants in fear....
Da poor widdle scared baby... ooooh.... What else do you fear? Capital letters? Gonna freak out again, fuckface?

[-] 1 points by Turrac (84) 7 years ago

With your angry mean spirited soul, I wouldn't be ranting about another's

[-] 1 points by Turrac (84) 7 years ago

What have I lied about? As usual you are unable to answer questions. I might wonder about your IQ

[-] 1 points by Turrac (84) 7 years ago

Now come on, you are such an exaggerator. My attention spanish is far greater than 1/10 of a second. Look at all the attention I've bestowed upon you. Since English is my only language, its the only one I comprehend.

Who am I copying? Surely your not so vain as to think I'd copy you. Mean really, I could never write fiction like you.

I do admit I don't get the xerox without a human brain comment. Should I be offended?

[-] -1 points by turak (-812) 7 years ago

pretense and lies is the imaginary bubble you live in waste your life inside your computer fantasy you're an idiot who thinks he is intelligent

[-] 1 points by Turrac (84) 7 years ago

Ok so now you've called me stupid. Based on what?

[-] -1 points by turak (-812) 7 years ago

Your attention span is less than 1/10th of a second. You can't comprehend in English: not won't.... CAN'T.

Never mind a brain, you have no personality. Even your fake persona is a copy, and a poor copy at that. Have you ever heard of Colton's famous aphorism? " Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery" I despise imitators. Never mind a brainless jackass like you who isn't even aware that he is a flatterer. You are a flatulent ass; waving your pompous WHAT around? You have no set of ethics or morals or values that you stand for. You're a zerox machine without a human brain..

I understand why and how you do not 'understand' this. But YOU do not understand why you do not understand.

[-] 1 points by Turrac (84) 7 years ago

As usual, you choose to ignore someone else's comments. I tried to address your profane rant. Now you could at least respond to my questions. Are you lonely?

[-] 0 points by turak (-812) 7 years ago

As usual you choose to ignore everything I tell you. That's because you're a total fucking imbecile. You do not know what a 'rant' is. Nor do you know what profanity is. You are a clueless idiot.

[-] 1 points by Turrac (84) 7 years ago

If I can interpret your rant, let me again correct you.

I'm not aware of any xerox machine ever having a human brain. Therefore that comment makes no sense.

I don't see anywhere that you called me an idiot. Are you confusing your rant at someone else with me?

I'd love to meet you in person. Hard for me to believe you are what you say you are based on your profane rants. I fear for you, but certainly do not fear you.

Now why do you always revert to baby speak? Why would I fear capital letters?

Do you act so aggressive because of your insecurities and fear of the truth. What are you insecure about?

[-] 0 points by turak (-812) 7 years ago

Let me explain this to you in simple words: your level of intelligence is below that of an INSECT. Insects have a better understanding of the world than you do. You suffer from a lack of perspective. Instead of seeing the entire horizon, the ocean, the beach, the waves the sun, the clouds: you are only capable of perceiving one grain of sand. This makes you incredibly STUPID. Insects have a better understanding of the Universe than you do.

I already know you will be incapable of understanding what I just told you because you are so fucking stupid. I'm posting this so others can read your repeated incomprehension and realize just how fucking stupid you are.

[-] 0 points by turak (-812) 7 years ago

There are millions of brainless freaks like you, fuckface. Your kind clogs up internet forums like your garbage clogs up the landfills Your reading comprehension is zero

[-] -1 points by turak (-812) 7 years ago

wrong: your interpretation of what a rant is: is the opposite of the actual truth: as is the rest of your filthy stinking sick soul

[-] 0 points by Tinhorn (285) 7 years ago

Lol, just stay in Canada and let us know how it works out for you up there.

[-] 1 points by Turrac (84) 7 years ago

I want survivorship on display at the white house. Where better for the world to see.

[-] 0 points by Tinhorn (285) 7 years ago

Start a new survivorman Canada.

[-] 1 points by Turrac (84) 7 years ago

I am a survivor...man!

[-] 0 points by Tinhorn (285) 7 years ago

Yeah, but if you start a new show Survivorman Canada, then you kill two birds with one stone. You have a job and you can stay in Canada.

[-] 1 points by Turrac (84) 7 years ago

There is no white house in canada

[-] 0 points by Tinhorn (285) 7 years ago

Are you Canadian?

[-] 1 points by Turrac (84) 7 years ago

I never said I was. Of course I never said I wasn't. Your point? You dislike Canadians?

[-] 0 points by Tinhorn (285) 7 years ago

Nope, love them, I had some of my best years in Canada when the U.S. changed the drinking age to 21. My point is if you are, then why would you think that anyone would be interested in your opinion on our countries problems?

[-] 1 points by Turrac (84) 7 years ago

Open your mind. Publicity in white house, society failing worldwide.

[-] 0 points by Tinhorn (285) 7 years ago

It has nothing to do with opening my mind, it has everything to do with if you can't fix the things that are wrong with your own country, why are you bothering with someone elses.

[-] 1 points by Turrac (84) 7 years ago

Same problems

[-] -1 points by MVSN (768) from Stockton, CA 7 years ago

Against human nature.

[-] 0 points by Turrac (84) 7 years ago

Humans were created to gather and hunt. No hierarchy needed. Only seeds and bows & arrows.

[-] 2 points by kingscrossection (1203) 7 years ago

Then how do you explain emotions such as greed? There is a lot more to human nature than just eating.

[-] 1 points by Turrac (84) 7 years ago

Greed is a learned behavior.

[-] 1 points by kingscrossection (1203) 7 years ago

And what psychobabble are you spouting? Greed is greed. What about love? Is love a learned emotion? How about self preservation?

[-] 1 points by Turrac (84) 7 years ago

Greed is learned from others because of competition caused by hierarchy. Love is a feeling not an emotion. There is nothing emotional about self preservation.

[-] 1 points by misterioso (86) 7 years ago

cont.

I should point out that the argument that hunter-gatherer societies were more egalitarian is problematic. While there is evidence for greater equality in the distribution of resources and material wealth, there is also some evidence for inequality. Certainly there was inequality of social status as well as gender inequality. One exhaustive study found that in these societies material wealth has less effect on well being than does variations in other forms of wealth such as social connections.

Another misconception is that these societies were more peaceful. In fact, the further back in history you go, you get more war, more violence. The world of nations states we live in today is actually the most peaceful its ever been.
You sound like a human nature denier, 60 years ago you would have had a lot of company, however, now there is consensus in the scientific community that there is innate human psychology. I suggest you read up on some evolutionary psychology, it well serve you well as you develop your sociological and political views. We are a species with enormous potential but we are not without our limitations.
here are some good reads

The Selfish Gene - Richard Dawkins The Moral Animal - Robert Wright The Blank Slate - Steven Pinker War Before Civilization - Lawrence H. Keeley The Darwin Economy - Robert Frank

[-] 1 points by misterioso (86) 7 years ago

Greed is not a learned a behavior. All of our emotions: love, greed, envy, rage, fear, these are all the products of evolution by natural selection. Traits were selected because they either presented a survival advantage or they made an individual more attractive to the opposite sex, thus making it more likely they would get there genes into the next generation(sexual selection). In our early environment, food and resources were scarce so there was fierce competition among individuals(think pre-humans also) as well as groups, there was also cooperation(which proved to be a survival advantage) as humans evolved to be social animals. So human nature is mixed bag and may often seem contradictory. We have love and altruism and we have self-interest or greed, we have tendencies toward conformity just as we have more individualistic tendencies.

If we look closely at the ancestral environment we can better understand the flaws in human nature. For instance, our moral intuitions are the product of the tribal environment our ancestors evolved in. There was social cohesion within tribes and there was also competition and war between different tribes. As a result, we are tribalistic by nature, we have this natural fear of "the other", who could be someone from a different town, different country or culture. Say you heard a child in your community was hit by a car and died, even if you didnt know them, you would be pretty emotionally shaken up by it, now say instead you heard that a drone killed 30 school children in Afghanistan, a much more devastating event, you would probably be upset but I bet you would sleep just fine that night. Now this does not mean we are just stuck with what evolution gave us. Because we are intelligent we can use reason and culturural innovations to harness the better angels of our nature and suppress the less desirable elements.

[-] 1 points by JesseHeffran (3903) 7 years ago

i believe that greed, envy and rage are byproducts of fear. no?

[-] 1 points by Turrac (84) 7 years ago

No where is greed defined as an emotion

[-] 1 points by kingscrossection (1203) 7 years ago

Emotion: Any of the particular feelings that characterize such a state of mind, such as joy, anger, love, hate, horror, etc. They are a tad interchangeable. And for self preservation it is instinctual just like they other two. We are hardwired to be emotional and instinctual creatures.

[-] 1 points by Turrac (84) 7 years ago

Not hardwired for greed as you stated earlier

[-] 1 points by kingscrossection (1203) 7 years ago

Where is your proof?

[-] 1 points by Turrac (84) 7 years ago

Greed not listed in your emotion list

[-] 1 points by kingscrossection (1203) 7 years ago

Read the first part. "Any of the particular feelings that characterize such a state of mind" Greed: excessive desire, especially for wealth or possessions. Therefore, I'd say it is more of a mind set that can characterize another emotion such as hate or anger. Which are on the list.

[-] 1 points by Turrac (84) 7 years ago

Where are my facts pertaining to what? Also, your ideas and perspectives will be much better received if you don't swear at people. Another learned behavior....

[-] 1 points by kingscrossection (1203) 7 years ago

I do believe that was the first time I used any kind of poor language to you and you were still not getting it through your head. And your facts pertaining to greed and whether or not it is an emotion.

[-] 1 points by Turrac (84) 7 years ago

Not being pompous is good. You should take her advice. Perhaps you are a slow learner.

[-] 1 points by kingscrossection (1203) 7 years ago

Maybe. I have only had 16 years of experience. Although from the way you type you don't sound much older.

[-] 1 points by Turrac (84) 7 years ago

Did you learn your name calling behavior from your mother? Adults would debate not name call.

[-] 1 points by Turrac (84) 7 years ago

Apology is a learned behavior also

[-] 1 points by kingscrossection (1203) 7 years ago

I learned a lot from my mother. Especially when not to be a pompous prick.

[-] 1 points by kingscrossection (1203) 7 years ago

My mommy hasn't been a very good teacher. And let me guess. Sarcasm is a learned behavior? And I do believe that means you have no facts. Thank you very much you sarcastic asshole.

[-] 0 points by Turrac (84) 7 years ago

Are you attempting to be sarcastic and disrespectful? You should practice more. You'll get better.

[-] 1 points by kingscrossection (1203) 7 years ago

Maybe, maybe not. You should practice talking to people. You may eventually be able to talk to normal people

[-] 1 points by Turrac (84) 7 years ago

Not an emotion even in your definition. You are making an interpretation. Where is your proof? I can google also. Original thinking occurs when your mind is free of preconception.

[-] 1 points by Turrac (84) 7 years ago

Where are my facts pertaining to what? Also, your ideas and perspectives will be much better received if you don't swear at people. Another learned behavior....

[-] 1 points by kingscrossection (1203) 7 years ago

Actually a lot of stuff on google says that greed is not an emotion. How is that for free of preconception. FIne yes I am making an interpretation based on evidence that I have that is also widely accepted. You just keep saying that greed is learned and have no backing for it other than attempting to twist what I say back on me.

[-] 1 points by Turrac (84) 7 years ago

You should practice your writing. Still not sure what your normal statement means.

[-] 1 points by Turrac (84) 7 years ago

So you aren't normal?

[-] 1 points by kingscrossection (1203) 7 years ago

No not at all. I never claimed to be.

[-] 1 points by Turrac (84) 7 years ago

You may not be wrong. You are wrong. Pls make your point supported by fact or troll somewhere else.

[-] 1 points by kingscrossection (1203) 7 years ago

Where the hell are your facts?

[-] 1 points by Turrac (84) 7 years ago

" Almost everything will point away from greed being an emotion.". What does this mean?

[-] 1 points by kingscrossection (1203) 7 years ago

It means that I was thinking independently of dogmatic thinking like you said I was not earlier. I may be wrong but you just keep trying to make what I say turn around on me.

[-] 1 points by Turrac (84) 7 years ago

Pee off dufus. Googling for answers is not original. Do research.

[-] 1 points by kingscrossection (1203) 7 years ago

Google greed and emotion and just see what comes up. Almost everything will point away from greed being an emotion. I simply checked some definitions and left it at that

[-] 1 points by Turrac (84) 7 years ago

What is your point? Thank you for making mine.

[-] 1 points by kingscrossection (1203) 7 years ago

My point is that you have nothing but your own opinion which is worth jack squat in a conversation like this while I at least have something to contribute to the conversation.

[-] 0 points by betuadollar (-313) 7 years ago

Spoken like a true male: I applaud you.

[-] 1 points by Turrac (84) 7 years ago

Are you male or a unicorn?

[-] 0 points by betuadollar (-313) 7 years ago

Why, you wanna sharpen my point?

[-] 1 points by Turrac (84) 7 years ago

Be nice. I didn't talk nasty to you.

[-] 0 points by betuadollar (-313) 7 years ago

Now that sounds very female - make up your mind.

[-] 1 points by Turrac (84) 7 years ago

I have made up my mind. You are too focused on sex. We discuss real issues here.

[-] 0 points by betuadollar (-313) 7 years ago

I think you lost me when you called me a bonehead. The coldbloodedness of males in survival mode has always been a thing of historic curiosity for me..

[-] 1 points by JesseHeffran (3903) 7 years ago

but isn't that cold bloodedness to protect their women and their offspring. and also, hell have no furry... says a lot about coldbloodedness in general. men may be aggressive, but my biggest pet peeve is passive-aggressiveness. let's keep it real. no?

[-] -1 points by betuadollar (-313) 7 years ago

Yes! And this ability to compartmentalize violence so well is rather interesting.

[-] 1 points by Turrac (84) 7 years ago

Where above did I call you a bonehead?

[-] 1 points by MVSN (768) from Stockton, CA 7 years ago

Some would call you a Luddite. The human race has moved beyond hunter gatherers. Your idea is ridiculously out of date.

[-] 2 points by Turrac (84) 7 years ago

Perhaps the human race has come full circle. It is time for hugs and kisses not killing and war. Open the borders. Let me in the white house. The front lawn will become my communal garden.

[-] -1 points by MVSN (768) from Stockton, CA 7 years ago

A Libertarian?

[-] 1 points by Turrac (84) 7 years ago

Egalitarian. No need for money. No competition. Self sustainment. No need for government.

[-] 0 points by MVSN (768) from Stockton, CA 7 years ago

Ah. An anarchist. Okay.

[-] 1 points by Turrac (84) 7 years ago

Free your mind. Anarchy implies a larger populated society. I imply no such thing. I support small independent communities with no common leadership.

[-] 0 points by MVSN (768) from Stockton, CA 7 years ago

My mind is free. You are talking nonsense. The world has moved beyond your hunter/gatherer ideas. May I assume you are an atheist? That is the only other place I have found this silly idea of reverting to a pre-civilization.

[-] 1 points by Turrac (84) 7 years ago

What does religion have to do with it. I'm a believer.

[-] 0 points by MVSN (768) from Stockton, CA 7 years ago

Okay. Just a thought.

[-] 1 points by Turrac (84) 7 years ago

What do you believe in? I believe we can survive if we follow my recipe for survival.

[-] 0 points by betuadollar (-313) 7 years ago

Whatchoo talking about? I'm still hunting and I'm still gathering. Anarchy is all about survival of the fittest, definitely an all male world. I like it. Only... you know, I think we should do it Canada instead... the hunting is much better there.