Forum Post: Drone Wars! Private Drones Coming Soon
Posted 12 years ago on March 2, 2012, 12:18 p.m. EST by HitGirl
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Congress and President Obama just enacted a law that forces the Federal Aviation Administration to prepare regulations that open the sky up to commercial drones within a few years.
The drone industry lobby is largely responsible for this and they are gearing up to battle We the People over civil liberties. Just so long as I can have a drone to take down your spying drone maybe I don't mind.
Should there be a constitutional right to bear drones?
first!
Bare drones are sexier than clothed ones.
Must have been a Freudian slip.
I once wore a Freudian slip...
No doubt but that Freud was a strange man.
An unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV), commonly known as a drone, is an aircraft without a human pilot on board. Its flight is either controlled autonomously by computers in the vehicle, or under the remote control of a navigator, or pilot (in military UAVs called a Combat Systems Officer on UCAVs) on the ground or in another vehicle. There are a wide variety of drone shapes, sizes, configurations, and characteristics. Historically, UAVs were simple remotely piloted aircraft, but autonomous control is increasingly being employed.[1] Their largest use is within military applications. UAVs are also used in a small but growing number of civil applications, such as firefighting or nonmilitary security work, such as surveillance of pipelines. UAVs are often preferred for missions that are too "dull, dirty, or dangerous" for manned aircraft.
UAV http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unmanned_aerial_vehicle [right click]
The First Drone Games http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQ9tVxPkunI&list=PLE724501BDD60E5F7&feature=view_all [right click]
Well I guess this means that SAM's and MANPAD's will now be sold at NRA conventions? Given our right to bear arms... and the 'existential threat' posed by drones...
But hey, does this mean people can use drones to make peep videos now? Might make the job of the paparazzi easier too...
Life is getting too complicated.
Perhaps its a good thing I am a UAV enthusiast. I would probably build a hunter killer drone for drones coming within the 500ft airspace allowance...
Also, I am thinking about painting "Up Yours" on my roof.
But in all seriousness (I am still serious about what I said above), having drones in US airspace, owned and operated by private companies seems completely foolish....
Imagine this for example...
A drone gets out of control and decides to crash on... say... a busy freeway causing a pileup...
Or how about crashing into a facility/transport containing hazardous substances?
Or maybe it ends up in someones house.
Or maybe it hits a small private aircraft. I dunno... there's all freaking kinds of things which can go wrong, especially in urban environments...
Probably all of those are some lawyers wet dream though...
As far as I know, there is no provision to allow these aircraft to carry munitions, but fuel and li-ions are pretty flammable...
Lets not forget the possibility of terrorism, or espionage and other possible abuses of drones that might be perpetrated by someone with the right expertise and the wrong intentions... Heck you could use them to assassinate people...
if we all were to scared to walk out the door we wouldn't have innovations. Don't look at it for all its negatives
I for one am i happy for this it means i can operate my drone with no worries and perhaps build more and do more.
Surveillance cameras mounted on street corners, surveillance drones in the air, suspension of habeas corpus, suspension of the Constitution at airports, etc, etc. Surveillance of Occupy's FB and tweets.
And they ask "why all the paranoia? If you're not doing anything "wrong" then it shouldn't be a concern."
"Who's definition of "wrong?" " I reply.
The silence of the trolls is deafening in this thread.
It is an issue. But this is really about drones in the private sector too. Privacy issues have to be addressed.
Amen to that, Hit Girl! Addressed and reinstated.
I want transparent government
Drones. Can't think of a better way to turn occupiers into mujahideen. Fascist idiots.
Just an idea:
Why not start a No Drone Fly Zone campaign in each state? If the people vote that their states airspace will not recognize drones in their airspace (our airspace) then we can stop what is probably the biggest threat to freedom right now.
Thoughts?
Everyone should be sorry when they get here.
Terminator 2: Judgment Day http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9YU0hQEZ5M&feature=related [right click]
A right to bear drones? It is threads like these that remind me of just what a strange world we live in.
I'm going to go with no seeing as it could be used to violate others rights.
Friends, I shall ask you to be as quiet as possible. I don't know whether you fully understand that I have just been shot; but it takes more than that to kill a Bull Moose. But fortunately I had my manuscript, so you see I was going to make a long speech, and there is a bullet - there is where the bullet went through - and it probably saved me from it going into my heart. The bullet is in me now, so that I cannot make a very long speech, but I will try my best.
In memory of the Bull Moose, Theodore Roosevelt
That was a great speech, in which he praised progressives and the unions ability to strengthen the middle class and the nation as a whole.
All that, after an assassination attempt.......:)
I know. I get all emotional when I read it. Thanks shooz...:)
Please don't use violence to kill anything.
I kill without violence whenever possible.
I am a huge fan of non-violent killing.
DIY Drones: the home for everything about amateur Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (UAVs)
http://diydrones.com/
an eye for an eye
make those drones vision public
I here that in some states filming the police is illegal. Will this apply to drones?
B. Dolan - "FILM THE POLICE" ft. Toki Wright, Jasiri X, Buddy Peace, Sage Francis
great video about the shit coming down
Very very good.
People share this everywhere: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyT1buoyTnY&feature=youtu.be
Remember to protect your cell phones.
Future models may not have a camera.
At no other time in history has the truth been so readily available for all to see.
If they have access to the internet.
camera start at around $40 but there are probably cheaper ones
make sure it gets audio
Has anyone developed an app for one touch live stream broadcast?
You know something that you hit a hot key/icon and you get immediate broadcast up-link? An app that would immediately start streaming your images and audio and insert the time, date and your GPS location?
Myself? I am technically application challenged as I would guess that many are. How much better to have a point and click up-link.
that would be good
face to face calling should already function
just a mattering of sending the image to a live feed instead
If anyone discovers how to do this and put it into a hot button icon.
Please share. That is an item that should go viral.
If it is something that can be done right now please share the step by step instructions on how to set it up. A to Z step by step. For dummies like me.
A) turn on your cell phone.
B) go to ...............
C) etc.
D) Etc.
all the way to: Z) you are now ready to point and click.
I think one needs a website to load to
Yep you would need a good destination target. Should be part of the setting up process.
Nice.
no
I don't know
filming the police should be legal
I agree, but they are outlawing it. It is a battle we will be fighting soon.
Does anybody heard about proxy war? What does it mean proxy war to you?
A proxy war or proxy warfare is a war that results when opposing powers use third parties as substitutes for fighting each other directly. While powers have sometimes used governments as proxies, violent non-state actors, mercenaries, or other third parties are more often employed. It is hoped that these groups can strike an opponent without leading to full-scale war.
That's from Wikipedia
When the drones fly over our houses, we should moon them with our bare butts!!
What if you have a bear butt instead?
Well, so long as the bear isn't running around with a gun, a ron paul sign or isn't hooked up to the internet, it won't be considered a terrorist....so I say it should let it all hang out and give the spy drone a big ole bare bummed hairy moon !!!
This is what happens when you hire the same two companies to write policy over the course of 100+ years.
You get fucked.
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Flockupy #HR658: Geese bring down jetliners, so why can't doves take out #drones? #Anonymous #OccupyWallStreet #OccupyWallSt #Occupy #OWS
https://twitter.com/#!/WatchFrogsBoil/status/195624909668483078
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This is a shocking violation of privacy, at the very least. While I don't condone the use of these drones for target practice, I am sure that if their use isn't regulated to nothing that invades personal privacy, or the peace of our communities, there will be many who will find that opportunity fairly irresistable.
Drones are much more expensive than bullets. Maybe that will keep the drones from misbehaving.
Well, they are unmanned, and therefore some people, none of whom of course I know, might just be enticed by the roar of their engines, their looming over their houses, the potential (at least) of their carrying cameras, and the possibility that they are weaponized, to break out that old 45.70 buffalo gun of their grandpa's and oil it up.
But I want you to know that I am definatly not advocating taking such an irrational and lawless action - not even after a weekend party to celebtare your forclosure.
take a movie of it and broadcast a complaint
Better Idea for sure, no erratic falling of lead where not intended!
It's not like we're declaring it open season on drones or anything ;)
No, I would certainly never advise something like that!
cant wait for the fun that will happen with this bill. I can finely use my drone with out having to worry about legal issues now. I cant wait to see all of the new things done with this now legal technology. the possibilities are endless.
also this is old news happened a couple weeks ago
How is this old? There is plenty of time to contact your Senators and write letters to the Federal Aviation Administration. They haven't even prepared regulations yet. Occupy is about political activism not the flavor of the week. Speaking of which...here is a petition to protect your civil liberties from the drone lobby...
http://act.demandprogress.org/sign/drones_faa/?akid=1257.443982.jvAyeR&rd=1&t=3
i wont sign that i see a business venture and it old because it was signed a month ago. More go will come from this i trust that our government will not abuse the limited power they have. I also see that this will help many people with tasks that a drone would be able to do. Robots are our future let them come let us have a more efficient world with them
Then don't complain when your civil liberties are violated.
Until they are i will have no problem. But the government must know the line and if they cross it. The gift of technology will be taken away from them. These drones are going to be used for mostly science and finding people who are lost.
I'd be a little more comfortable with that if we weren't already using them to kill people.
yeah and the government has already been flying those around. One landed at my college we got to go up and see it. It was huge the body was the size of a bus. The point is no one noticed it flying it think we will be safe. If they want a true revolution they would put guns on it.
I saw a cool $4000 HD camera mounted drone with five propellers and total hover capability. It wasn't much bigger than a large ice-chest. They will come in all sizes.
i know, if you read my post earlier i own a drone with cameras and GPS. I've seen all the pictures i am all for this technology it will bring new possibilities also it great fun.
The big worry is Big Sis from Homeland flying over watching all of us. If you've ever seen the movie "Minority Report',are we really that far away?
When people are incarcerated for conspiring, amongst only themselves, to commit certain crimes, we're there already.
It happens regularly.
I can think of some places where it wouldn't be a bad idea to have drones flying a camera patrol. Police drones could make the streets safer.
Wow. Are you really willing to give up your privacy "for the greater good"? Not me.
Well, then you might be interested in the petition I posted here? Really I'm more inviting discussion than taking a side.
Already opened up. Some hunters shot down one that some animal rights group was spying on them with. Hunters-1 Animal Geeks-0 HAR HAR. Hell,you can go to Meijers or Walmart and buy a remote controlled drone with camera built in made by Air Hogs for about $70 http://www.airhogs.com/en/products/hawk-eye
Too iffy. The good ones cost about two grand at the low end.
What do you believe these commercial drones will actually do?
Whatever they're programmed to.
How about specifically. What are your concerns?
OK, here it is. In a nutshell drones allow a kind of detached ability to carry out spying, espionage, terrorism, and assassination. I'm sure there are plenty of legitimate uses for drones, but, as you know, give people a new toy and they will abuse it. It also bothers me that drones will replace humans in a number of tasks. The end result will be reduced accountability.
It will be up to the regulatory agency to prepare proper rules of usage. But I hardly think we will have assassination as a usage here. I have no issue with a new technology used as a replacement for humans, long hours of flight time is very difficult to maintain high effectiviess and produces human error. This would also create high tech jobs in a different job segment. Accountability will be with the owner / operator. As for abuse, anyone can abuse anything, but that should not by default rule out usage of a new technology.
Lets not kid ourselves here; it might be up to the regulatory agency, but that doesn't mean the agency is going to be working in the public interest.
These things can even fly around intercepting cell phone communications, kinda creepy; and it opens the door to the kind of world that once only existed in George Orwell's imagination.
Cell phones can be intercepted quite easily without use of drones. To use a drone for that would be a waste of time and resources. Do not be too paranoid. These are not military or government drones, we are talking about commercial drones.
I realize that, but not without a warrant; however, what in gods name would a commercial enterprise need with a military surveillance drone? (and are they going to get a warrant before they monitor my text messages?)
I think you mis-understand my statement. A commercial drone is not a military drone. A commercial drone would perform things like traffic coverage, forest survey, crop evaluation, etc. Things that require helicopters, resources and manpower. And yes, warrants are required for phone intercepts, that was not the point of the comment on drone usage. Whatbwould be the point of a commercial company using a military drone. They are equipped and designed completely differently and for different purposes. I believe you are mixing the two incorrectly.
glad tp see that some one on this thread has common sense
Still, is that a good enough reason to repress a technology? Part of my problem is that assassin drones came pretty quick, without any real discussion or debate about the moral implications that I am aware of. I'm not comfortable with that and the rest of you shouldn't be either.
In a theatre of operations of a war zone, stand off items should be preferred options versus placing our forces in harms way. Other than the moral issue of war itself, once staged in combat operations, this type of weapon gives quite the fear to the opposition, which can be a deterrence without even firing. Killing is not a pleasant subject, and war is pretty ugly, but there are bad guys out there and I do not have any issue in taking them out in a remote manner. It is really an extension of a sniper. Please understand I am not a war hawk, but am realistic about combat operations and requirements and have discussed so with contacts I know. And I understand about hitting the wrong targets, which has a very emotional impact on the operator.
That's all true.
Maybe they'll be a Bureau of Drones and Robots or maybe you'll just register your drone with the DMV.
Be sure to bring evidence of insurance (just kidding).
drones have no transponder and could interfere with commercial airlines
If you read the post, new regulations in usage would be crafted, so I hardly think transponders would be left out. The commercial pilots would never allow this to happen. These are commercial drones, not military.