Forum Post: Drill, baby, drill. Oil is our salvation.
Posted 12 years ago on Nov. 13, 2011, 12:29 p.m. EST by OregonRuts
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Oil field jobs are high paying jobs. Pipeline jobs are high paying jobs. Offshore rig jobs are really high paying jobs. The TransCanada pipeline will add 15000 union jobs instantly.
Solar is a Crock. If you cover a field with solar electric panels, everything underneath it dies. A hawk hunting that field DIES. Snakes hunting that field DIE. Robert Kennedy is the biggest liar there is. If you want power from windmills, the ocean is BY FAR the best place to set them. Life in the ocean revolves around structure. Fillmthe ocean with windmills and you will create life in the aquatic desert.
But even with a windmills everywhere in the ocean, we still need oil.
Kill, baby, Kill : 'Oil' is Your Nemesis and The Corporate 'OilyGarchs' are your Drug Dealers of choice ...
Search - "Peak Oil"
Oil is our messiah which is making his way back up to heaven.
As oil becomes more rare, the cost will go up and so will the initiative to mass produce solar, wind, and nuclear. Why rush things? We still have plenty of oil for the time being. Let things take care of themselves. More drilling at home will create jobs and get the economy going and keep more money here at home.
Fuck biodiversity. Fuck climate stability. Fuck future generations.
So we just keep sending money to the Middle East to create jobs there?
No, we go on war footing. Total war on the energy problem. We ration. We mobilize. We bet it all on the future. We put people to work, on solar highways, billions of panels and windmills, high-speed rail and ubiquitous metro rail. Nuclear power too, at least as a temporary fix. We put the remaining fossil fuels to work to transition off of it once and for all. We save the world. We have vision and purpose again. We FIGHT.
Fuck market-based solutions.
But what will it matter? China and India combined have about 10 times are many people as America. They are still going to burning fossil fuels.
So lay down and die.
By the way, what I describe above is much closer to what China is doing than what we are doing.
When oil becomes expensive here we will have no choice but to do the same thing. It is still cheaper than solar or wind so why should we switch now?
Because every bit we don't burn helps. If we can shave off 1% in the end, we'll be better off. We'll also have built shiny new infrastructure and created a boom economy with full employment in the process.
Markets do not provide the most efficient solutions, just the most profitable ones. Markets will burn every last bit of carbon fuel available unless we intervene.
Agreed. As Bill McKibben has said - we need to leave most of the remaining oil and coal in the ground if we're to stand a fighting chance against runaway warming.
Mordor 2.0 http://climateforce.net/2011/07/13/new-mordor-2-0-alberta%E2%80%99s-tar-sands-even-more-environmentally-disastrous-than-previously-thought/
It will also tap one of the largest sources of carbon on the planet - extracting oil from tar sands is very dirty and inefficient. The actual extraction process takes a tremendous amount of energy and pollutes a lot of water. Whatever we do, let's make sure it is the best thing for the country in the long run, and not some pet project for the rich and powerful to make even more money at the expense of the environment (and thereby the average American citizen). Jobs are great, but if it means 100 years from now our great grandchildren can't breath then the jobs are not worth it.
My 2 cents: For decades now the corporations and special interests have had our "representatives" bought and paid for. We need to get the money out of our politics. Until we end the current system of legalized bribery (campaign donations) and paid lobbying our politicians will continue to be the lap dogs of the corporations and special interests. What we need first and foremost is real, loop-hole free CAMPAIGN FINANCE REFORM!!!! If the corruption is not dealt with first, the chance of any other meaningful reforms becoming a reality is almost zero - the special interests will just use their money to buy votes and put forward bills that create loop-holes or otherwise twist the law in their favor. If we want our children to live in a country where there vote matters, we need to get the money out of our politics, otherwise they will increasingly become the 21st century version of the "landless peasant." Spread the word - CAMPAIGN FINANCE REFORM needs to be THE main goal of the protests.
So..which Greenpeace site did you get your info from? the "tar sands" uses less than 1% of the athabasca river flow and technology to extrat it has inproved dramatically over the past decade. But, seeing how you're talking about "dirty" and inneffecient, maybe you should look at the dirty mining required for rare earth minerals that are required for the chinese-made windmills and electric cars. So yeah..green energy is so much greener when it's poisoning the water supply AND has to be backed up by those "dirty" fossil fuel plants when the wind blows http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2009/12/28/isnt-it-ironic-green-tech-relies-on-dirty-mining-in-china/
Even though there is no real comparison between mining rare earths and tar sands, since rare earths don't have to be diluted, can be recycled and aren't burned, rare earths are not necessary to make wind turbines or electric cars.http://www.rechargenews.com/energy/wind/article285956.ece
I'm not an expert - my entire knowledge of the issue was from a recent National Geographic article I read. The point of my post is this - let's make sure that in our mad dash to create jobs we don't make the situation worse. At the end of the day if the "tar sands" is the way to go so be it, but to leave the decision to the profit motivated oil companies would be a mistake. They will rape the land and leave our children with the mess so they can live high on the hog.
Oil is a short term solution to a very large problem, but oil is a very finite resource which we are placing an exponential demand, it cannot be sustained. This savior will soon be our undoing.
Cattle can graze beneath solar https://www.google.com/search?q=solar+thermal+in+portugal%3Fgrazing+land&hl=en&biw=842&bih=405&source=lnms&ei=UhPATpy5IsaztweCvMS2Bg&sa=X&oi=mode_link&ct=mode&cd=1&ved=0CC4Q_AUoAA
Blowing up pipelines is fun!
If you are only considering electricity, which it appears you are...there is and always has been a abundant source of energy which is consistently renewable.
Methane.
Look it up.