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Forum Post: Dream Defenders Continue Occupation

Posted 1 year ago on Aug. 20, 2013, 10:07 a.m. EST by shoozTroll (17632)
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"Packed into the small reception area of the Florida governor’s office in Tallahassee, a couple dozen determined Dream Defenders conducted a people’s hearing on racial profiling. Black and brown college and high school youth took turns giving compelling testimony of being profiled at school, in public and by the police. In one corner was a court reporter. A camera was live streaming the proceedings."

http://occupywallstreet.net/story/dream-defenders-continue-take-over-florida-state-capitol

The videos.

http://dreamdefenders.org/video-recap-of-day-1-and-2-of-takeoverfl/

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[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 1 year ago

I'm looking for a page I can go to to find occupy actions in my city/state

the action page needs to be simplified

http://occupywallst.org/infotent/

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Big State.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Occupy_movement_protest_locations_in_California

I would say check in at a nearby university.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Repealing Stand Your Ground is not enough, said Ciara Taylor, also of Florida A&M, who serves as the political director for the Dream Defenders. “Ultimately you’re still ignoring the root of the issue…and that is the criminalization of our youth … Black, White and brown, and that’s due to the school-to-prison pipeline and racial profiling that is perpetuated throughout law enforcement.”


yep.

[-] 2 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 1 year ago

Legalize all drugs and dump the war money into the schools and inner cities will turn around so fast it will make your head spin.

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Are you planning on expanding on that or is that just going to be the quick and dirty? That demonstrates your full comprehension of the problem and the solution.

[-] 2 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 1 year ago

Its not complicated. It doesnt need more studies, or more stats, or more discussion, or a panel, or a committee, etc.

It simply needs doing.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

You are absolutely correct. It doesn't. However, it does require a little bit of thought when presenting your solution. Mr. Decentralization-destroy- the- Department-of- Education-kids- only- need- writing-utensil-don't-pay-attention-to-allocation-man

[-] 2 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 1 year ago

Easy solutions. Time to just do it.

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

No, at best you have a pathetic attempt without thought into allocations in funding. Besides, I don't give a damn about your high.

[-] 2 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 1 year ago

Its not tough. It just takes the will to push.

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

I love this. You are all about the selective rage without much thought behind it. I suspect that this is because then it would be necessary for you to account for your actual stances.

[-] 2 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 1 year ago

Legalize it all. Done. Let the people figure it out.

Unlike you, I believe we have the ability to figure things out without some controlling body holding our hands like a bunch of fuckin idiots.

Are we too fuckin dumb to just figure it out as it goes?

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Legalize it----make the government the drug dealer.

That whole government thing would be the we the people. Are you too fucking dumb to figure it out? Libertopia does not exist.

[-] 2 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 1 year ago

"The Federal government is that whole foot up the ass thing as they have the power to step in and smack the shit out of the states. The federal government would be us as a community."

The problem is that they dont want to, they want a dumbed down consuming bunch of neanderthals. The dumber the better for them.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Sure they do. Sometimes you have to bitchslap those fuckers to get the ball rolling. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tag/school-privatization

(They are slow, but bless their hearts they are in there,)

Consider how long did it take you to realize how much cash was being siphoned off and/or diverted to testing. Therefore, you didn't demand change.

[-] 1 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 1 year ago

I would just rather be able to go to the school board at a community level to bitch slap someone than have to drive up to DC to do it.

That fear of the people is a real thing, its why I hate that they are so isolated up there.

"See thats the difference between me and you. You think we are fighitng, and I say we are finally talking!!" :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1B1_jQnlFk

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

This is fighting http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2013-04-14/local/38537469_1_no-child-students-such-testing

It is the same thing that the teachers union has been fighting for over 20 years. Edited for: The reason that it is taking place at the state level is that the states have the ability to opt out. What is not ok, as we find in the case of CORE, is accepting the money and then having a ludicrous, idiotic, drummed up paranoid tantrum.

You already have the power to bitchslap your school boards. Like here: http://www.iasb.com/pdf/YourSchoolBoardandYou.pdf

Many times your zero tolerance policies are formulated here. It is high time that people started paying attention to whom they elect.

[-] 2 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 1 year ago

End the high stakes testing. Drop funding for charter schools and private schools. Even better, end your online classes for k-12. You can repeal NCLB. End inclusion into mainstream classes.

Sounds like we are in pretty much agreement. Go figure.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

We are nowhere on the same page, but that is a very nice try.

[-] 2 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 1 year ago

Exactly, we agree on all of that stuff, but I would rather have the community as the foot in the ass (the states are useless with this stuff) and you would rather pass it off to the feds.

Personally I'd rather have your foot up their ass than some shmuck in a suit in DC :)

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

:/ The Federal government is that whole foot up the ass thing as they have the power to step in and smack the shit out of the states. The federal government would be us as a community.

[-] 1 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 1 year ago

Well I agree with the stuff you just wrote, so we are at least in that manner.

I think our main point of difference is in who we want to be making the guidelines.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Which the states have demonstrated that they cannot due without having a foot squarely up their asses. Because there is a track record and, apparently, one in which you have devoted no time to.................that means that we are going to need the Department of education. So, that puts us ............not on the same page. Your little all the kids need is a room puts us not on the same page.

Edited for, if we were on the same page then you wouldn't have even gone to legalize drugs solves the problem.

[-] 1 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 1 year ago

Why would I want the government involved in it?

Those assholes dont represent me, and Im guessing they dont share too many values with you either.

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Let me slow this down for you. When you are looking at projected taxes, you have gone into dealing. I don't give a damn about your high. I sure as hell don't give a damn about the guy with bathsalts or the heroin addicts high or 2C-1. Keep that libertopian shit coming though.

[-] 2 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 1 year ago

Capacity to focus? Are you kidding me?

Keep playing their games then, dont suggest anything different. Wonderful. Sounds like youre the one whose closest to Tea logic if you ask me.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Your circle jerk dancing around any topic is noticed. You can't handle the topics that you have introduced. Ain't Libertopia grand?

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

http://www.rickscottwatch.blogspot.com/

This neolibe(R)tarain, is representing you, whether you admit it, or not.

I figured I'd point that out, as you've driven this thread far off the topic of the Dream Defenders, and what they are actually asking for.

[-] 2 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 1 year ago

Who said anything about taxes?

We dont need anymore taxes on us, we may want to focus on the corporations instead for a while.

" Keep that libertopian shit coming though." Really? Thats what you think that is?

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Oh, it most definitely is. You are lying through your teeth if you think it won't be taxed. Try again. Ya, little Tea Partier. It's all about libertopia. You don't have the capacity to focus.

[-] 1 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 1 year ago

I was talking about the schooling problem, not the drugs. I know you want to decriminalize pot.

If you mentioned your solutions to the schooling problems, I dont remember. Is it too much to ask it again?

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

But, I did. End the high stakes testing. Drop funding for charter schools and private schools. Even better, end your online classes for k-12. You can repeal NCLB. End inclusion into mainstream classes. And ya. it is too much to ask. Especially from you. And ya, that would be decriminalization for small amounts of drugs unless, you cross state lines. But only if the harm reduction method is used. And ya, you brought that drug shit up. Thanks for playing.

[-] 1 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 1 year ago

And again, I'll ponder this again--- what are GirlFridays solutions to these problems.

Anyone can go around poking holes in arguments if they are smart enough.

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

You on the other hand? Don't have shit. God forbid you actually think about what you are saying.

But that would be the point. You don't want anyone to think about what your saying. Baffle 'em with bullshit, eh?

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

I gave them to you already. Months ago. Every time that you bring up drugs we do the same thing. I give you the same answer. Short memory or just trying to keep your shit rolling?

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Stop paying for high stakes testing that goes nowhere and siphoning of money into charter schools with scam real estate deals. Decriminalize smaller amounts of drugs.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Reversing the institutionalization of these things will not be easy.

“The media is not telling the full story,” said Dream Defender Steven Pargett of Florida A&M. “This is not just about Stand Your Ground. This is a full legislative package to challenge the criminalization of our generation. Because the governor and the legislators are not working on this, Dream Defenders are doing the work. We are conducting our own hearings, taking testimony from community and expert witnesses with court reporter transcription, and getting the word out.”

My guess is, Scott will continue to ignore them and hope they go away when the school year begins.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Well, with school starting it will probably lessen just a bit. Scott will not pay attention to this or address this in the least. You are dealing with a man that has spent a very large amount of money violating Florida's constitution.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

They don't come much slimier than Scott.

"Since Rick Scott’s election we have seen laws drafted by the legislature to drug test the poor; to dissolve city councils and county commissions based on fiscal emergencies, the specifics of what is deemed “an emergency” are left fuzzy and vague. We’ve seen those in power cut early voting; intimidate, with hefty fines, those who would register people to vote. We’ve seen the governor uphold the Second Amendment and throw away the First. We’ve seen the governor involve himself in the academic curriculum of major universities. We’ve seen certain academic majors ruled “good” and others ruled “useless” by those in power. "

It's always amazed me, that no one has yet commented on the actual content of this site.

http://www.rickscottwatch.blogspot.com/

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

I was just searching for the amount of money that he has wasted on this.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Scott's EMs aren't getting any press at all.

What cities is he applying them in?

Wanna make a bet, that they are primarily "brown people" cities, that were already cut off from funding by the GOP?

Just like they're doing in Michigan?

[-] 1 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 1 year ago

Like Tampa/St Pete?

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

That's not an answer.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Like any city or town where there is an orchestrated effort to defund and bankrupt.

[-] 1 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 1 year ago

Sounds like every city in the country to me.

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

How quaint, flip and uninformed.

[-] 1 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 1 year ago

You've seen a drastic difference in your travels throughout the country over the years?

Because I sure as hell havent.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Yes, via different states legislation. But, thanks for asking.

[-] 2 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 1 year ago

Really? Where? I see the same shit wherever I;ve been for the most part.

Maybe Im setting my expectations too high.

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

[-] 2 points by TropicalDepression (191) 16 minutes ago

Well, are you going to state where this great state legislature is that youve witnessed or not? ↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink _______- So, you can spin off in another direction in an attempt to deflect?

[-] 2 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 1 year ago

No, I'm honestly interested.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

You were honestly interested in the other items as well but can't seem to manage those. Which leads me to believe, you are just as full of shit here as you were with the others.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Or you have no fucking idea what you are talking about and are in full circle jerk mode.

[-] 1 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 1 year ago

Ive traveled a decent amount, worked all over.

From Burlington to Phoenix. Two opposites on teh political spectrum. And both still very repressive and corporate driven rules system, police states.

Naples and Rochester. Again, two opposites. Pretty much the same bullshit.

A shell of what they could be. Again, I may be setting my goals too high.

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

[-] 0 points by TropicalDepression (191) 0 minutes ago

Ive traveled a decent amount, worked all over.

From Burlington to Phoenix. Two opposites on teh political spectrum. And both still very repressive and corporate driven rules system, police states.

Naples and Rochester. Again, two opposites. Pretty much the same bullshit.

A shell of what they could be. Again, I may be setting my goals too high. ↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink


Cool story, bro.

[-] 2 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 1 year ago

Well, are you going to state where this great state legislature is that youve witnessed or not?

[-] 1 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 1 year ago

FSU is going to bring a ton of students in there, Im guessing.

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

And? You can't be in two places at once is the point.

[-] 1 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 1 year ago

It depends on how organized their student groups are. The pool to occupy is going to increase dramatically, FSU is a huge ass school. Theres only a handful

http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/08/15/3564934/dream-defenders-end-sit-in-protest.html

The Dem politicians really left them out to dry there. That was a chance for some of these slugs to prove they had a pair. They didnt. Then people wonder why I hate Democrats so much. Bunch of weaklings.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

While they haven't had access to the luxuries of air conditioning and showers, WCTV reported that state Rep. Alan Williams (D) was among the lawmakers helping to make sure the demonstrators have the basic supplies they need to keep up their protest.

"You know, whenever they are supporting legislation that many of my colleagues in the Democratic Caucus believe is the right way to go, we are going to try and provide support," Williams said.

Williams has been a key proponent of "Stand Your Ground" reform. Shortly after the Florida jury acquitted Zimmerman, the Tallahassee Democrat said he'd renew his efforts against the law with two separate bills, one to take another look at revising "Stand Your Ground" and another to repeal it all together. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/22/florida-dream-defenders_n_3635061.html

I can see that.

[-] 2 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 1 year ago

Wonderful, a press release. What support.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Yes, providing basic supplies and trying to write legislation that reforms the issue is always a bad thing. I can see how the teathuglicans were helping. I love the way they help. Don't you?

[-] 2 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 1 year ago

Sending a check and putting your name on a piece of paper is not support.

Support is being there. Support is making some noise. Support is actually being with the people. Support is a politician going down there, holding a press conference and declaring this is GOING to happen.

.

Thats support. The rest is just bullshit fluff.

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Like writing legislation.And supplies. One would think that the Teathuglicans would offer support as well...........oh, that's right, they wrote it. Perhaps you can attempt to get them on board. Nay? That whole work together thingie.

[-] 2 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 1 year ago

This isnt about the right not supporting, of course they wouldnt support this.

This is about the pathetic lack of leadership that the Dems showed during this entire thing.

They left em out to dry. Just like Occupy. Same shit, different stage.

[-] 3 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

This is you exhibiting your circle jerk skills.

I'm not going to spend my time defending Democrats. That's stupid. By the same token, if this is all that you have? Go back and pack a lunch. I'm not buying your shit.

[-] 2 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 1 year ago

If you want elites in DC or state capitols making rules for your teacher and kid, go for it.

Some of us dont. Some of us think that our teachers are good and would prefer a more creative experience for all. More field trips, more hands on stuff, more actual thinking, more art.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Some of them want their unions and public schools back too.

Oh......and the funding to go along with all that.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Love the tea party shit. Keep it coming. Pay no attention to what that actually means specifically in regards to discrimination.

Don't think too deeply. Just keep up the bullshit line that hides all the issues involved.

[-] 1 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 1 year ago

We should all write Alan a letter thanking him for his tireless efforts the last month.

If politicians sending out press releases and signing a piece of paper while sitting in their offices with their awesome healthcare and their perks and all the other bullshit, while the people try to make stuff happen..

That pisses me off.

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

And this Mr. Decentralization-destroy- the- Department-of- Education-kids- only- need- writing-utensil-don't-pay-attention-to-allocation-all-problems-resolved-with-legalization-of-drugs-man pisses me off.

Get real.

[-] 0 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 1 year ago

Thats not tea party shit. Thats people not wanting sickos passing no child and common core on the rest of us.

If you want to see discrimination, go into any city and see the job this system has done. Shameful.

They would rather put in new fancy bus stops before they worry about books for the kids.

People not doing anything is issue.

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Nice attempt to deflect from that which the Department of Education handles. One in which the states have not been able to play out. WRONG ANSWER, CORNFLAKE.

[-] 2 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 1 year ago

The proof is all around us. They are an absolute failure in stopping what they are tasked to do.

Make sure you post some SEC and FDA and EPA mission statements too.

Like they arent all complicit lol.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Hey look!

As long you refuse to stay on topic!!

Here's State rights in action today!!!

YAY!

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/08/19/2491591/women-state-lines-abortion/

But don't worry the (R)epelican't war on women is an illusion.

They aren't really closing women's health clinics.

Wait? What?

Scratch that.

Yes they fucking are!!!!

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

You don't have shit.

I take that back. You have lots of shit. It's still just shit, though.

[-] 1 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 1 year ago

Ya, its a fact that one group of shitheads is investigating another one.

You really have hope in that shit?

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Let me know when you decide to make that shit a priority.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Well, I waited for your ass to investigate but.............that didn't pan out well. Kind of like waiting for those states rights folks to get around to it.

The mission of the Office for Civil Rights is to ensure equal access to education and to promote educational excellence throughout the nation through vigorous enforcement of civil rights.

We serve student populations facing discrimination and the advocates and institutions promoting systemic solutions to civil rights problems. An important responsibility is resolving complaints of discrimination. Agency-initiated cases, typically called compliance reviews, permit OCR to target resources on compliance problems that appear particularly acute. OCR also provides technical assistance to help institutions achieve voluntary compliance with the civil rights laws that OCR enforces. An important part of OCR's technical assistance are partnerships designed to develop creative approaches to preventing and addressing discrimination.

The Office for Civil Rights enforces several Federal civil rights laws that prohibit discrimination in programs or activities that receive federal financial assistance from the Department of Education. Discrimination on the basis of race, color, and national origin is prohibited by Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964; sex discrimination is prohibited by Title IX of the Education Amendments of 1972; discrimination on the basis of disability is prohibited by Section 504 of the Rehabilitation Act of 1973; and age discrimination is prohibited by the Age Discrimination Act of 1975. These civil rights laws enforced by OCR extend to all state education agencies, elementary and secondary school systems, colleges and universities, vocational schools, proprietary schools, state vocational rehabilitation agencies, libraries, and museums that receive U.S. Department of Education funds. Areas covered may include, but are not limited to: admissions, recruitment, financial aid, academic programs, student treatment and services, counseling and guidance, discipline, classroom assignment, grading, vocational education, recreation, physical education, athletics, housing, and employment. OCR also has responsibilities under Title II of the Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990 (prohibiting disability discrimination by public entities, whether or not they receive federal financial assistance). In addition, as of January 8, 2002, OCR enforces the Boy Scouts of America Equal Access Act (Section 9525 of the Elementary and Secondary Education Act of 1965, as amended by the No Child Left Behind Act of 2001). Under the Boy Scouts of America Equal Access Act, no public elementary school or State or local education agency that provides an opportunity for one or more outside youth or community groups to meet on school premises or in school facilities before or after school hours shall deny equal access or a fair opportunity to meet to, or discriminate against, any group officially affiliated with the Boy Scouts of America, or any other youth group listed in Title 36 of the United States Code as a patriotic society.

A complaint of discrimination can be filed by anyone who believes that an education institution that receives Federal financial assistance has discriminated against someone on the basis of race, color, national origin, sex, disability, or age. The person or organization filing the complaint need not be a victim of the alleged discrimination, but may complain on behalf of another person or group.

Most of OCR's activities are conducted by its 12 enforcement offices throughout the country. These enforcement offices are organized into 4 divisions carrying out OCR's core work -- preventing, identifying, ending, and remedying discrimination against America's students. Two Enforcement Directors in the office of the Assistant Secretary oversee the work of, respectively, the Eastern and Southern and the Midwestern and Western divisions. OCR administrative offices in Washington, D.C., provide additional administrative support, coordination, policy development and overall leadership. http://www2.ed.gov/about/offices/list/ocr/aboutocr.html

[-] 1 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 1 year ago

No one is deflecting, they have all done a horrendous job. Clearly.

So whats your grand plan for things? Simply remove high stakes? Thats not going to cut it. Cornbread.

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

U.S. Department of Education Investigating Record Number of Civil Rights Complaints http://americaswire.org/drupal7/?q=content/us-department-education-investigating-record-number-civil-rights-complaints


Clearly. I can see that. Don't let the facts get in the way.

You mean besides ending faux privatization of schools?

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Why have you driven this so far off topic?????

"In light of the killing of Trayvon Martin and subsequent acquittal of George Zimmerman, and the startling statistics of youth incarceration, it is apparent to many that Florida is in a state of crisis and the youth urgently need leadership. We, the undersigned, call on Governor Rick Scott to convene a special session of the legislature to enact “Trayvon’s Law”: to repeal stand your ground, confront racial profiling, and end the school-to-prison pipeline. We call for immediate action on this issue and all partners and organizations that care for our youth to join us in demanding that Governor Scott call for a special session of legislature to address his states’ youth crisis."

This isn't about you, nor is it about your agenda.

http://dreamdefenders.org/thetakeover/orgsupport/

It's a reaction to the travesty of justice that happened to Trayvon Martin.

Perhaps you remember the many contentious threads on the subject that were posted here?

Or did you fail to comment in them?

[-] 0 points by TropicalDepression (-45) 1 year ago

One group of slime investigating another. That outta solve it.

If you think anyone has a say in our "public" system, I'd like to see you exercise that.

This is like the SEC investigating Jamie Dimon. Come on.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Why not start at home and call for an investigation of the guy these Dream Defenders are asking help from?

why keep changing the subject?

http://dreamdefenders.org/thetakeover/orgsupport/

Here's the guy who did it!!!

He's got an actual name and position and a face like Batboy.

They are practically begging for your help as you look the other way.

Here's the guy!!

Check out the reality of SOME of things he's done to raise their ire.

I know reality is difficult for you, but really look at the damage!!

http://www.rickscottwatch.blogspot.com/

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Facts, those pesky things. Keep spinning that theathuglican shit.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 1 year ago

Former gov. Engler screwed the Detroit school system over, decades ago.

As an avid neolibe(R)tarian, he screwed 'em over real good.

In fact....it was a kind of decentralization that really fucked 'em over.

It just took some time for the full effects to felt.