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Forum Post: Dr. Ron Paul on Healthcare

Posted 3 years ago on Oct. 19, 2011, 7:56 p.m. EST by diggs88 (6)
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I've been trying to do my research on this and i cant find any sustainable information about this mans views on healthcare...

any info on here would be a good start. THANKS

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[-] 5 points by occupythefed27 (36) 3 years ago

I believe he would let the states decide. Our country is too big and divided for Federal healthcare...I gave up on that dream, and so should everyone else. Instead we need to get people in office that will give more power to the states. Then we can influence the state we live in for a better health care system.

[-] 1 points by FuManchu (619) 3 years ago

In many third world countries there is no such thing as private medical insurance. It is just the doctor and the patient. It works well except for people who cant afford it. If we solve that, we dont need a big federal scheme.

[-] 3 points by bethechange2012 (54) from New York, NY 3 years ago

“DO NO HARM” Dr. Ron Paul spent his entire career in the medical profession working to uphold this simple principle by ensuring his patients received the best care he could give them, even if they could not afford it.

Dr. Paul understands the key to effective and efficient medical care is the doctor-patient relationship. Yet, federal bureaucrats continue to believe that their one-size-fits-all policies will lower costs, increase access, and cure an ailing industry.

Instead, excessive regulation, immoral mandates, and short-sighted incentives have created a system where no one is happy, doctors pass quickly from one patient to the next, insurance is expensive to get and difficult to maintain, and politicians place corporate interests ahead of their constituents.

FREEDOM NOT FORCE The answer to our nation’s health care crisis lies in freedom – not force.

As President, Ron Paul will fight to put you back in control of your health care decisions, save you money on medical expenses, and institute reforms that will once again make America’s health care system the standard for other nations to follow.

He will work with Congress to:

  • Repeal ObamaCare and end its unconstitutional mandate that all Americans must carry only government-approved health insurance or answer to the IRS.

  • Allow purchase of health insurance across state lines.

  • Provide tax credits and deductions for all medical expenses.

  • Exempt those with terminal illnesses from the employee portion of payroll taxes while they are suffering from such illnesses or are incurring significant medical costs associated with their conditions.

  • Give a payroll deduction to any worker who is the primary caregiver for a spouse, parent, or child with a terminal illness.

  • Ensure that those harmed during medical treatment receive fair compensation while reducing the burden of costly malpractice litigation on the health care system by providing a tax credit for “negative outcomes” insurance purchased before medical treatment.

  • Guarantee that what is taken from taxpayers to pay for Medicare and Medicaid is not raided for other purposes.

  • Make all Americans eligible for Health Savings Accounts (HSAs) and remove government-imposed barriers to obtaining HSAs.

  • Stop the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) and the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) from interfering with Americans’ knowledge of and access to dietary supplements and alternative treatments.

  • Prevent federal bureaucrats from tracking every citizen’s medical history from cradle to grave by prohibiting the use of taxpayer funds for a national database of personal health information.

Ron Paul proudly worked every day to honor the trust his patients placed in him, and he will do the same as President with the confidence of the American people, who deserve a government that “does no harm” to their health care.

[-] 1 points by mdgirl (34) 3 years ago

We have to deal with healthcare, it is not an option. The government ALREADY pays for everyone. We already have universal healthcare. The only reason these bozos are against "universal healthcare" it is because they are bought and paid for by insurance companies....and yes the insurance companies will make less money because they can't deny claims. Repeal "Obamacare" so now people who have pre-exisiting get denied coverage? Talk to a few people who have serious health issues- I do and trust me you couldn't get insurance with a pre-exisiting condition on your own. He's a joke, we have to make sure people get healthcare not just because it is the right thing to do for humanity but we cannot afford to pay for the illnesses that have become so extreme by the time someone goes to the ER because they don't have insurance. Cost us $10,000 for just a a day or two in the hospital when if the person went to a doctor before it turned into pneumonia - it would have cost $150

[-] 2 points by number2 (914) 3 years ago

I like the idea of removing the fascist health insurance companies. That way healthcare would be more affordable. I think we should try that first before free healthcare. Food is a neccesity too but I don't believe it's right to make a farmer work in the fields to supply me with free food. I should pay him something in return.

[-] 2 points by mdgirl (34) 3 years ago

Universal healthcare is paid by taxpayers.The other problem is without the healthcare law passed by Obama which ends the denial of coverage based on pre-exisiting conditions, people with pre-exisiting conditions would not be able to purchase healthcare. It is law now that health insurance companies do not have to insure people with pre-exisiting conditions. I know this because I could not get health insurance and I have a serious, chronic life threatening illness. We have to tackle healthcare because it is such a strain on the economy and adds so much to the debt mainly because people who don't have insurance end up in the ER and then the taxpayers pay for their care the most expensive and inefficient way. Politicians do not want to offer universal healthcare (which would be the most fiscally responsible decision) because the healthcare lobby is strong and they are bought and paid for, We already spend more than we would if we hypothetically had a universal system in place.

[-] 1 points by number2 (914) 3 years ago

Something needs to be done. I just notice that when bureaucrats get involved the quality goes down.

[-] 2 points by mdgirl (34) 3 years ago

I still have faith that we can have government run efficiently. Have you ever noticed how good the meter maids are about ticketing your car if you go a minute over ? I swear they are hiding in the bushes lol, It can be done just need some serious management skills..something...

[-] 1 points by number2 (914) 3 years ago

haha. you are right about that! But see there's incentive for them to do it. We have to make sure we don't take the incentive to deliver quality away. Especially in healthcare.

[-] 2 points by mdgirl (34) 3 years ago

My best friend is a doctor and the director at a hospital and he said most of his colleagues are for universal healthcare- they would make less money obviously, but they want to make sure that everyone has access to care. So one can hope :-)

[-] 1 points by number2 (914) 3 years ago

I hope it get's fixed. It's clearly broken.

[-] 0 points by thebeastchasingitstail (1912) 3 years ago

I gotta tell ya, leftist though I am, I think the individual mandate and that last bullet point (the database) are gross invasions of individual freedom, choice & privacy.

I actually would not be opposed to states handling more of the health care burden. I live in a progressive blue state that is fairly wealthy, we are one of the top three states when it comes to shouldering the Federal tax burden.

If some of our fed taxes were paid to our state instead, I think we'd still do the right thing for seniors and needy families.

[-] 2 points by bethechange2012 (54) from New York, NY 3 years ago

Found that directly from his website.

[-] 2 points by mdgirl (34) 3 years ago

He does not believe it is a right, he thinks people should have to fend for themselves. He did not offer his campaign manager insurance and his campaign manager died of pneumonia and apparently had major health issues but couldn't get insurance (pre-existing issue this was 2008). He is horrible on healthcare and he's a doctor, One of the major reasons I do not like him.

[-] 0 points by TIOUAISE (2526) 3 years ago

That's really sad, 'cause on so many issues he's actually a progressive! See his interview with Ralph Nader.

[-] 1 points by GeorgeMichaelBluth (402) from Arlington, VA 3 years ago

There is plenty on youtube

[-] 1 points by gagablogger (207) 3 years ago

Ron Paul is against a womans right to choose, for govt funding of the arts, environmental laws. He's for smaller govt, lower spending and even lower taxes than they are now, historical lows. He wants to privatize the post office. He will never get my vote.

[-] 1 points by rp2012 (31) 3 years ago

http://www.ronpaul2012.com/the-issues/health-care/

try his direct answer if you value truth...

[-] 1 points by RantCasey (782) from Saginaw, MI 3 years ago

Health care issue won't be fixed by privatization or nationwide health care. The issue is that the medical industry is run on a profit basis. These companies don't care who pays the bill govt insurance or your pocket. ( all three are u by the way) the health companies need to be non profit. Nobody should make profit on anybodies health. They should make what it costs. Hospitals and pharmaceutical companies are making crazy profits while our country's health is going down hill.

[-] 1 points by eveningstar (9) 3 years ago

TEST

[-] 1 points by mdgirl (34) 3 years ago

Google Ron Paul's campaign manager story, It's really sad and also since he didn't have insurance he ended up leaving the taxpayers with a $400,000 hospital bill. It just is crazy to me that these Republicans preach fiscal responsibility and then as an American business person they do not offer their employees insurance and then in the end we pay for the bills. Guess what, we pay one way or the other. I would have much rather the government pay for this mans healthcare then have him pass away and we still pay for it!! It's total BS. If someone doesn't have health insurance the government will pay in one way one day and usually once the illness has progressed to the point that it is so expensive or they pass away. How much money could we save if we offered FREE preventive healthcare? ANYONE can go to the ER and get healthcare and in the most expensive and inefficient way and the taxpayers pay for it. So those who are against "UNIVERSAL healthcare"-guess what we already have it. WE could make the healthcare much better and more affordable for everyone if we offered preventive care.

[-] 1 points by thebeastchasingitstail (1912) 3 years ago

He says he never took medicare or medicaid funds when he was practicing.

And yea, he believes in no govt intervention in health care at all.

[-] 0 points by mdgirl (34) 3 years ago

So what does that say about his character? if you were a doctor wouldn't you want to provide healthcare for the poor? it's hard to see a good person in him. Healthcare is pretty important and you would think if anyone would know that it would be a doctor.

[-] 1 points by number2 (914) 3 years ago

not another one

[-] 0 points by freedomlvr (1) 3 years ago

I've been a doctor for over 20 years. The past 4 years I've worked in government sponsored clinics for people with the most severe of mental illness, most living in poverty and many homeless. I've been beyond frustration with dealing with government sponsored health insurance, ie Medicare and Medicaid, because my patients are routinely denied medications they desperately need for life-threatening illness. I hear of my patients waiting MONTHS to get approval for needed tests and procedures for severe medical problems.

IT IS EASIER FOR MY PATIENTS THAT HAVE NO INSURANCE TO GET VERY EXPENSIVE AND NECESSARY MEDICATION THROUGH PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANY ASSISTANCE PROGRAMS THAN IT IS FOR MY PATIENTS WITH GOVERNMENT SPONSORED INSURANCE TO GET THESE MEDICATIONS.

Doctors are being driven out of business under the crony capitalist system of Big Government-Big Business run health care. Some of the best doctors are leaving. Many physicians lose money every time they see a Medicare patient. Many are fed up with the bureaucrats dictating how we do our job and the ever increasing regulations that sap our time and resources.

I am absolutely disgusted to see health care dollars wasted on the cancerous growth of big government. Trust me, the money is not getting to the people who need it.

I like working with the patients I treat, I'm good at what I do and most patients seem to value what I can do to help with some very devastating illness. Unfortunately, I cannot continue to work in the government run system that continuously cuts resources and expects us to do the equivalent of slapping a band-aid on a severed artery. I haven't minded working for 66% of what others in my field are paid, I haven't minded seeing the most challenging of cases. I can no longer tolerate the immoral waste and inefficiency of the government.

My experiences of the past four years have made me unable to ignore politics any longer and has inspired a 180 degree shift in my views. I fully support Ron Paul for President. I believe he is a true American patriot and the real deal. He's not promising some pie in the sky easy ride. He's rallying people who value truth, freedom, and the hard work and responsibility it takes to maintain liberty.

We don't need government to run health care. We don't need a huge for profit health insurance industry in cahoots with the government. IMHO it is just as immoral to have an inefficient, wasteful government running our health care as it is for Insurance CEO's to earn bonuses in the realm of 10,000,000.00 a year. Let's use our common sense and put some regulations in place, get the government out of the health care business, and let doctors, nurses, and the many other health care providers do what we do best.

As for the comments about the lack of direction of OWS, perhaps it is because it is very difficult to understand the roots of our serious problems at this time in history. The media spin, the political lies, etc, etc. The reason I find hope in Ron Paul and his tremendous grass-roots support, is that he understands what is going wrong and he steadfastly has opposed the establishment for decades. He is the most radical of politicos disguised as a kindly grandfather!

[-] 0 points by TLydon007 (1278) 3 years ago

He thinks uninsured coma patients deserve to die..

As far as I'm concerned, his medical license should be revoked for violating his Hippocratic oath and he should never be called "doctor" again.

[-] -1 points by TroubledYouth45 (71) 3 years ago

Who cares?! He won't change anything any ways!