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Forum Post: Dose of "Shut The Hell Up" On Order Today In Wisconsin

Posted 2 years ago on June 5, 2012, 8:12 a.m. EST by RealityTime2 (-25)
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After over a year of listening to the whines of petulant government unions in Wisconsin, today they lose. All the bitching, all the lies, all the claims that taking from non-government working families and handing it to them is supporting working families is said and done.

A principle today will stand: Government belongs to the people, not just the entrenched employees. Voting yourself a compliant boss that then sells out an unsuspecting public is one of the worst examples of a looting special interest. It's an abuse whose time has passed.

Reform is possible. Reform can stand. Hopefully, they'll now gain the same courage in Illinois and California.

On Wisconsin!

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[-] 4 points by riethc (1149) 2 years ago

Tens of millions of dollars of dollars of "Shut the Hell Up"

[-] 2 points by Freemantake (-21) 2 years ago

Last night in Wisconsin, America sent a strong message to the liberals and unions.

[-] 2 points by infonomics (393) 2 years ago

No one is indispensable. The misery must be endured by all.

[-] -2 points by RealityTime2 (-25) 2 years ago

Government workers disagree. They prefer tax increases on people already reeling from the recession and a diminished ability to retire over making even the tiniest concessions themselves That's why they'll lose today..

[-] 2 points by infonomics (393) 2 years ago

Even the federal government has implicitly tired of the federal government (quasi) when they decided to cease mailing social security checks in favor of direct deposit.

[-] 2 points by gestopomillyy (1695) 2 years ago

you sound so ignorant.. you think the 'taking' from non gov fams that that money will go to non gov fams? are you stupid? any money not given to union workers will go into the pocket of ceo's and politicians! are you really that stupid????//

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[-] -3 points by RealityTime2 (-25) 2 years ago

Huh? It will? So, tax increases to hand money over to government workers is now some form of protection from "CEOs"? I thought I'd heard it all, but apparently, I was wrong. LOL.

[-] 0 points by gestopomillyy (1695) 2 years ago

lol so you think now there wont be any tax increases? by that kind of thinking, taxes should be reduced equally to the wages and benefits of the workers . so what are you gonna say next tax hike? where do you think that money will be going because it wont be going to unions now? what lie do you think they will tell you.. before you find out the politicians and ceo's suddenly receive raises and bonuses to equal that tax hike?

[-] 1 points by jph (2652) 2 years ago

Er,. seemed rather close to me, the numbers I saw,. Given the influx of corporate money, and all the polling irregularities, what does thes teach us?

If about half the population does not want the policies of the 'governator' they can just 'suck it'? Really? This result only serves to shows that the so called 'democracy' we are told about, does not exist here. This corporate 'representative' system is just a thinly veiled rule-of-the-wealthy, where the people have no real say at all.

Pitchforks and torches! If they deny the voice of the people the people must ACT!

[-] 0 points by Jojo1919 (0) 2 years ago

you lost, just accept it

[-] 2 points by jph (2652) 2 years ago

"I" did not "lose" anything, this is not a game,. this is another example of how this broken corporate "representative" system of so called governance, is not representative of the people at all. Or even trying to be!

It is funny how when we talk about a truly participatory model of communities organizing themselves, all the right-wing-nuts cry, that is "mob rule",. however when they get their preferred corporate lackey into the current lame system they crow about victory?!? cake + eat = hypocracy?

I don't think the counting of the votes is very clean anymore so the victory seems to go the the biggest cheater, anyhow. btw, I had no dog in that race,. I am merely commenting on a system that leaves half the voters (minus a few) in the cold.

[-] -1 points by RealWorld2 (-114) 2 years ago

What was broken was unions using the vote to rig labor negotiations. In Wisconsin, that's now fixed. Hopefully, this kind of courage to challenge the entrenched will spread.

[-] 2 points by matoinyanawacis (157) 2 years ago

Yeah, not as if the rich 1% use boatloads of money to SUBVERT the voice of average everyday American citizens voices by misinformation and literal outright lies in order to cause people to vote AGAINST their own self interest... No rigging there huh? Go back to your 1% masters sychophant, your duplicitous dichotomies are not welcome in intelligent conversation centered around the solving of the problems facing our nation which is infested with the stink of special interests payed for by the 1%. Wisconsin in nothing but a rape victim suffering from stockholm syndrome. They allowed their rapist (scott walker) to convince them that they really did want him to rape them of their voices and rights. Those too stupid to recognize when they are lied to, and then are too lazy to research just how many other lies they have been told, deserve to lose their rights. "Right to Work (for Less)" is nothing more than slavery. Whoever is willing to work for the least with no benefits, ah said this already up top, not worth repeating to you. Go back to your masters..

[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

if everyone had voted publicly, the vote would have been transparent

[-] -3 points by RealWorld2 (-114) 2 years ago

Complaining about one abuse is a really weak argument for your actively supporting another one.

How many people need to vote how many times for it to sink in. Election, recall, primary, recall and your union stooges lost all along.

[-] 3 points by matoinyanawacis (157) 2 years ago

well if you enjoy being a slave, that's your choice... I like the fact that it was ONLY UNIONS who force our nation and employers to institute safe working conditions, pay that allowed family's to not only survive, but thrive.. got the 40 hour work week and 8 hour work day with legally protected breaks for long stretches of work, minimum wage instituted and a whole host of other benefits that most idiots take for granted until it is taken away. So enjoy your victory, as your future in the soon to be sweat shops becomes your new dream job. Anybody stupid enough to believe that the rich...oh, sorry... the "JOB CREATORS" (NOT) give a good goddamn about your living standard above their greed for profits, then you need some SERIOUS medication to wake you up from your dementia.

[-] 2 points by matoinyanawacis (157) 2 years ago

really, look a little closer... walker has lost his repugnant majority in the state congress. at least now his depredations will be somewhat nulled. Now all America can hope for is that the evidence to link him to the john doe investigation appears soon, so that he can occupy the house he really belongs in.. THE BIG HOUSE...with a very tiny cell.

[-] 1 points by jph (2652) 2 years ago

There are lost of us, not in a union,. or ever have been,. that could see Walker for what he is,. just another corporate lackey, a free-marketeer faith-head with no compassion for who he hurts to get more for himself and his owners. You keep talking about unions like organised labor is a bad thing. is that what you think? people can not get together and insist on minimum requirements for work,. that is going too far in some directions you are uncomfortable with??!?! do tell.

[-] -2 points by RealWorld2 (-114) 2 years ago

But he fought and won a major victory to remove the conflict of interest of our employees voting themselves their own bosses who in turn sell us out.

Unions and government unions are different things and, yes, government unions are a bad thing. Government unions want us not to think about why they're different and why they're a special problem.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

I understand that was the 3rd governor recall

[-] -2 points by RealWorld2 (-114) 2 years ago

Yep, that's right. It's something that should be reserved for extremes, not just union temper tantrums. Remember too, the union forced a legislative recall last summer. They lost that too.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

oh no, we should vote more often

[-] -2 points by RealWorld2 (-114) 2 years ago

A special election was called because a union had a temper tantrum, the second in fact. No one stopped it despite great expense. Your guy was buried in a huge turn out without controversy. Your guy conceded. Other than just being sore losers, there's nothing wrong with the democracy.

In fact, the election helped solidify an important reform to protect democracy: the whacking of union conflict of interest. They use the ballot to hand pick their boss who then fucks everyone else on their behalf. Let's not forget the Dems that ran away to stop votes earlier. They're the ones that interfered with democracy.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (27694) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Last night was a tough night for us in Wisconsin. After being outspent 8 to 1 by Scott Walker and the billionaire Koch brothers, we lost the gubernatorial recall.

But what the national media is not telling you is: I am the new Democratic Senate Majority Leader after winning an important Senate recall election by just hundreds of votes.

Starting today, Senate Democrats will be a strong check on Scott Walker's power. If Walker tries to pass extreme policies that bust unions, hurt women, or attack middle-class families, we will have one word for him: No. We will demand laws that benefit the middle class and start repairing our state.

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The donations you made to the Wisconsin Democratic Party and Wisconsin Senate Democrats directly helped get out the vote that fueled last night's Senate win.

From the bottom of my heart, I want to say thank you. Despite the disappointment in the governor's race, your efforts helped us achieve victory and restore balance in our state.

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[-] -2 points by Zensmad (5) 2 years ago

BFD DK,it don't really matter that much,but if this makes you feel a little better then by all means knock yourself out.

[-] -3 points by RealWorld2 (-114) 2 years ago

What's progressive about being more concerned that teachers can never be fired than teaching kids?

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (27694) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Unions DO need to rethink their position - union members need to rethink their positions. They also need to find a way to unite with non-union workers - to push for all workers rights. The union hierarchy needs to be brought back to reality with pay limits and retirement packages that match their least members.

Unions can be very beneficial for ALL. Unions have in the past been very beneficial to ALL. Like any organization/institution even like government they need to be policed by their members so as not to be corrupted.

[-] -2 points by RealWorld2 (-114) 2 years ago

We finally agree. I'm not against unions, but public unions are a special case of dangerous conflict of interest. If they break a company, there's a firewall for the damage, the company fails. But there's no such firewall in govt; we can't let it go bankrupt. Electing the boss is a problem, an obvious problem.

Liberals have been led badly astray fixating on defending govt unions. Those unions are in direct conflict with what liberals claim to care about.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (27694) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Workers rights should be universal - not subject to being public or private.

End double standards.

That goes for the law as well - every one is subject to the law - no privilege for the wealthy or the corporate or the government.

[-] -1 points by RealWorld2 (-114) 2 years ago

But people deserve freedom. Unions don't own workers and they don't own workplaces. Unions love to sap the freedom of customers, employers, and the workers. But if unions are prepared to respect freedom,which I doubt, and understand our problem with them electing the politicians that then pander to them but sell us out, which Wisconsin proves they don't, then fine.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (27694) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

But people deserve freedom. Corporations don't own workers. Corporations love to sap the freedom of customers and the workers. But if Corporations are prepared to respect freedom,which I doubt, and understand our problem with them and elected the politicians they buy to sell us out which Wisconsin will learn more about, then fine. Let the Corporations pull back out of government and let the people have their rightful say.

[-] -3 points by RealWorld2 (-114) 2 years ago

You learned nothing last night.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (27694) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Beg to differ.

Learned a lot.

Corruption of government was dedicated - to the tune of tens of millions of dollars of out of state aid for their puppet Walker - in spite of which he could easily have lost were it not for a public union that needs to be balanced and brought back to reality.

Wisconsin is in for another session of learning too.

The incorporating of America has not won yet.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

was there something to learn ?

[-] -1 points by RealWorld2 (-114) 2 years ago

Yes.

[-] -2 points by Zensmad (5) 2 years ago

So DK how do you feel about your Leftist ass getting kicked last night in Wisconsin?

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (27694) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

It is not over until it is over.

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[-] -2 points by Zensmad (5) 2 years ago

More irrelevant activism.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

no one believes

if a person abuses their responsibility, they can't be fired

not even governors

[-] 0 points by RealWorld2 (-114) 2 years ago

Sure, they do. The union believes that for its members, just not the governor. Tenure is another abuse in K-12 and successful government firings are almost impossible.

I read a piece out of Colorado about the rarity of being fired for being a bad teacher. It's far more likely to get fired for drugs or some politically correct offense. Being a poor performer was way down the list. Now at my company, the idea that being bad at your job would be something like the 10th most likely reason for firing would be laughed at. But not in government.

[-] 0 points by 71353933 (85) 2 years ago

"A principle today will stand: Government belongs to the people, not just the entrenched employees. Voting yourself a compliant boss that then sells out an unsuspecting public is one of the worst examples of a looting special interest. It's an abuse whose time has passed."

That is the truth, ......well said!

[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

we should all control our work places

[-] 0 points by Zensmad (5) 2 years ago

Has anybody heard Debbie Was-a-man Schultz's response to the ass kicking her Demoncraps took last night? Not that we really care,just would like to hear the spin.

[-] 0 points by matoinyanawacis (157) 2 years ago

The Fact that Wisconsiner's were not willing to research the FULL TRUTH of Walker's record, the extent of the Republican Agenda and the deliberate intent to subvert every citizen's right to the democratic process, even those in a Union, only goes to prove that the Koch Brothers intent to destroy America's Educational System is working. The more uneducated a person is, the more gullible they tend to be, and thus they are more susceptible to misinformation and outright lies that cause them to vote against their own self interest. I hope Wisconsiner's enjoy the coming days as Scott Walker turns the state into a "Right to Work (for less)" state. Because when he gets that all in effect, citizens will then have to bid for a job, and whoever offers to work for the lowest pay, without benefits or healthcare, will be the one to get the job. Of course, the cost of living will still increase....but at least a citizen won't have to worry about food, what with food stamps being avail.... oh, wait, that's right, the republicans are trying to do away with that too....nevermind. Well Wisconsin, I hope you enjoy being a rape victim, because your rapist is planning to have at you again here real soon. But I guess you must like it, because you put him back into power, so that he could finish what he started. Just know, by allowing him to decimate teachers and the like... you yourself are the ones who screwed your kids' future chance for a decent, (TRUTHFUL) education, and one not based on revisionist history and indoctrinations. If you don't remember, the nazis were real good at starting their children's education with an indoctrination of hate for any form of democracy, which is what lead to hitler's ability to seize power from the elected government that preceded his rulership. You Wisconsiner's who voted Walker back in have NO ONE to blame, when you suddenly find your livelihoods taking a turn for the worse....oh and start enjoying your new jobs, at lower pay, no benefits and a suddenly no longer free environment to air grievances for things such a safety concerns, work hours, vacations and the like. Once you go "Right to Work (for Less)", your boss, or should I say Master, will decide whether you can work safely, so long as it doesn't interfere with their profit margins. They will decide how many hours you will work, and if you can't handle it, fine, they'll just hire someone else the next day... Oh.., and vacations... hell if you can afford a vacation, then your Master is likely going to feel that they are paying you too much, and need to cut back on your pay, or just hire someone new to replace you.. but don't worry when your bosses start to abuse you, you can always turn to the union, or the courts to redress your grievances.... Oh, wait, that's right, you allowed your one protection to be decimated... A right to work state, allows no redress, an employer can hire or fire you without little or no reason... Enjoy your raping, Wisconsin. You earned it.

[-] 0 points by foreeverLeft (-264) 2 years ago

Now the unions have 21 million less to spend in November too!

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

the rich can outspend the poor

[-] 0 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

what was the turn out?

Demand Voter Holidays

NPR reported the recall in a dead heat at 9 pm last night

A 12 point lead seems fabricated

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (6763) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

57% up from 52% in 2010 higher than any non presidental in like fifty years, you know how you talk about public voting, you might be seeing this too, I think in in 2000 when the exit polls got it right but the butterfly ballot foiled the voters intent, the right learned something, if they screw with the exit polls and make people not believe them, then it will be easier to steall elections, if you follow what I'm saying, will post on this latter...

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

but they spent money to prove they won. surely money proves all

[-] 0 points by stevebol (1269) from Milwaukee, WI 2 years ago

If Walker didn't show up for work for the next couple years noone would notice and he'd still get paid. He's living the Tea Party dream, he get's a government paycheck and he doesn't have to work. At some point the Tea Party suckers might ask themselves why OWS is leaderless. It's because they're smart.

[-] 0 points by votasaurus (62) 2 years ago

So your first moniker got banned for being too partisan, and here you are again... posting more partisan crap? LOL

[-] -2 points by RealityTime2 (-25) 2 years ago

Sure, because OWS isn't partisan, especially when it comes to Wisconsin.

[-] 1 points by JoeW (109) 2 years ago

OWS has all stripes (except maybe yours). Far left, people off the spectrum completely, libertarians (real republicans), anarchists. It definitely does lack dogmatic and partisan minded right wingers, who clearly don't want to be a part of it, so we won't make you.

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[+] -5 points by Freemantake (-21) 2 years ago

Gov Walker rocks!!!!!!!!!

[-] 3 points by SparkyJP (1646) from Westminster, MD 2 years ago

Walker can suck my rocks !!