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Posted 5 years ago on Dec. 15, 2012, 5:03 p.m. EST by bensdad (8977)
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Christian radio host Bryan Fischer took to his American Family Association radio show this afternoon to say that God didn’t stop the horrific Connecticut elementary school shooting spree because he does not go “where he is not wanted.”

Fischer made the case that, in his mind, God would have protected the shooting victims had there been a system of school prayer and a respect for the Ten Commandments in public classrooms.

“Where was God when all of this went down?” Fischer began. “Here’s the bottom line: God is not going to go where he is not wanted.”

He explained: “We’ve spent 50 years telling God to get lost. Telling God we do not want you in our schools. We do not want to pray to in our schools. We do not want to pray to you before football games. We do not want to pray to you before graduation…. We don’t want your word read in our schools.”

And so, Fischer said, “God would be glad to say to us, ‘Hey, I’d be glad to protect your children, but you’ve got to invite me back into your world first. I’m not going to go where I’m not wanted. I am a gentleman.’”

The evangelical host then reminisced about his school days, noting that “back when we had prayer — the Bible and the Ten Commandments — in schools, we didn’t need guns.”

Fischer ultimately concluded that the solution to violent incidents today is not restrictions on the Second Amendment, but rather the reinstitution of school prayer to ask God for protection on a daily basis.



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[-] 2 points by LeoYo (5909) 5 years ago

War on Science: Evolution, Climate Change, and the Curious House Committee on Science

Saturday, 15 December 2012 00:00 By Ken Morris, Truthout | Op-Ed


What do many Republicans in the House of Representatives have in common with the 17th century Spanish Inquisition? Both have waged a war on science."

In 1632, summoned by Pope Urban VIII, inventor of the telescope Galileo Galilei faced the notorious Catholic cardinals presiding over the Inquisition because he advocated new science (the Earth revolves around the sun) over old science (the earth is the center of the universe). The frail septuagenarian, justifiably terrified, denounced his own unequivocal findings by asserting, "I affirm . . . that I do not now hold the condemned opinion and have not held it since the decision of authorities." Despite his contrition, Galileo was deemed a heretic and spent the balance of his life under house arrest.

Today, the conflict between religion, commerce and science continues to hover over rational discourse like an unregulated acid rain cloud. Just last week when GQ Magazine asked Florida senator Mark Rubio the earth's age, he employed a bojangle-esque intellectual two-step and said, "I can tell you what the Bible says, but I think that's a dispute amongst theologians . . . " Senator Rubio thinks this is best debated "amongst theologians?" Presumably, archeologists and paleontologists need not apply.

More frightening than Rubio's pandering is the assortment of nonscientific beliefs held by Republicans controlling the House Committee on Science, Space and Technology. As the majority party during the 112th Congress (and soon to be convened 113th), the GOP occupied 23 of the 40 seats while also claiming the chairmanship and vice chairmanship.

With jurisdiction over federal scientific research and development, who did the Grand Old Party select as their representatives on the committee? To suggest this was a head-scratching list is an understatement.

On the origin of our species, member Paul Broun of Georgia said at Liberty Baptist Church, in September of 2012, "All that stuff I was taught about evolution and embryology and the Big Bang Theory, all that is lies straight from the pit of hell." Another member, Sandy Adams of Florida, agreed when she said, "I'm Christian. I believe in the biblical terms of how we came about."

Then there's Todd Akin of Missouri, who was a committee member when he famously suggested that in cases of "legitimate rape," women had a biological means to prevent pregnancy. Mr. Akin also claimed evolution was not "a matter of science" because of "all of the different things that have to be lined up" to create life.

Beyond ignoring dinosaurs and billion-year-old rocks is the commission's dismissive attitude toward global warming. None other than committee Chairman Ralph M. Hall of Texas said of climate change in an interview, "I don't think we can control what God controls." He then added that he is "pretty close" to Texas Governor Rick Perry's belief that climate science is a "conspiracy." Not to be outdone, the committee vice chairman at the time, John Sensenbrenner of Wisconsin, referred in 2009 to a federal climate report as "at worst junk science." On his web page, member Lamar Smith of Texas, to be the next committee chair, claimed the major television "networks have shown a steady pattern of bias on climate change."

To make matters worse, the committee Republicans have acted on their weather-blindness in ways that seem well-suited for certain industries (like major GOP contributors oil and gas), but not the human species or their habitats. For example, in April of 2011, the committee passed bill H.R. 910 (Energy Tax Prevention Act of 2011), which amends the Clean Air Act "to prohibit the Administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency from promulgating any regulation concerning, taking action relating to, or taking into consideration the emission of a greenhouse gas to address climate change, and for other purposes." In other words, the bill asserts that greenhouse gases don't degrade air enough to be regulated by the Environmental Protection Agency. The bill passed in committee without a single dissenting Republican vote (all but two Democrats voted against). H.R. 910 subsequently passed the Republican House and now sits in the Senate awaiting their take on deregulating hydrocarbons. During debate, the fact that 97.5 percent of all climatologists (Doran, 2009) agreed that "human activity is a significant . . . factor in changing . . . global temperatures" fell on deaf GOP ears.

Unfortunately the stakes are far too high to tolerate a Committee on Science that, like Inquisitional cardinals, blithely ignores research. Sadly, while US students ranked 25th in math and 17th in science of 34 countries surveyed (2009, Organization for Economic Cooperation & Development), it is likely this subset of US politicians waging war on science would rank close to dead last in that same sample. Galileo lamented of his plight before the Inquisition, " . . . what would you say of the learned here who . . . have steadfastly refused to cast a glance through the telescope? What shall we make of this? Shall we laugh, or shall we cry?"

With more frequent hurricanes battering our coast, low-elevation islands drowning, and melting glaciers and polar icecaps disappearing, we require political advocates who embrace rather than reject sound policy based on empiricism. If not, we have only one of Galileo's choices, and it's not to laugh.

Copyright, Truthout.

[-] 1 points by Gillian (1842) 5 years ago

I was always curious why preachers are always telling everyone that if they accept Christ as their savior and pray to Him that He will provide for them while still asking the congregation to give 20 percent of their paycheck each week to his church. Why doesn't prayer work for the preacher? Maybe G-d doesn't feel so welcomed in those man-made corporate churches or maybe G-d doesn't approve of those preachers.

[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 5 years ago

Have you ever see then movie Oh God
God is played by George Burns YOU MUST

[-] 1 points by Gillian (1842) 5 years ago

It's my very favorite movie in the whole world. Oh gosh, I must watch it again ( for the 50th time..hahahah)
Have you read or seen Life of Pi yet? It's got a lot of wisdom in it as well but I would imagine that a lot of that wisdom gets missed in lieu of the superficial qualities.

[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 5 years ago

thanks for the clue I will watch it - carefully

[-] 1 points by Gillian (1842) 5 years ago

I listened to the audio book while I was at work ( on my microscope) a few years ago and I was just so captured by the story that I could not stop listening. The book took me into an entirely different world. If you do a google on Life of Pi quotes or wisdom you will see what I mean. I think the story is an allegory and there is a lot of Eastern spirituality in it. I recognized a lot of Buddhism as well as Hindu and Christianity.

[-] 1 points by therising (6643) 5 years ago


[-] -1 points by 3roundmagsonly (-63) 5 years ago

You could make an argument that he is right. A more and more secular America is also signigicantly more violent. Now praying for divine protection is creepy, but our Godless society seems to take murder in stride.

[-] 1 points by mideast (506) 5 years ago

"A more and more secular America is also signicantly more violent..... our Godless society seems to take murder in stride."

The real reasons for violence in America
people have been living longer
climate change
increase in college graduation