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Forum Post: Does our adversaries care about the police?

Posted 11 years ago on Dec. 12, 2011, 10:46 p.m. EST by bigbangbilly (594)
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Or are they using them as pawns? If that is that is the case then is there anyway to prove that our adversaries they are just using the police as disposable pawns?



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[-] 0 points by ramous (765) from Wabash, IN 11 years ago

if Ows would quit villainizing and hating the police we'd have a chance. But every livestream, there Occupy is, antagonizing and shouting obcenities and hating on them and saying that doing their jobs is 'violence'. We aren't winning any friends among the PO thats for SHO.

[-] 1 points by bigbangbilly (594) 11 years ago

I am not villianizing them I am discussing a possibility.

[-] 1 points by ramous (765) from Wabash, IN 11 years ago

are you all of OWS? everyone in it?

[-] -1 points by riethc (1149) 11 years ago

Does this author care about grammar?

[-] 2 points by bigbangbilly (594) 11 years ago

Focusing on the grammar is not focusing on the message. Learn to stay on subject as the subject right now is not grammar.

[-] 1 points by riethc (1149) 11 years ago

I get the message. It's a good question.

[-] -1 points by necropaulis (491) 11 years ago

This is one of the things the protestors don't want to acknowledge. The cops are in the same boat. Some live in apartments, some live in medium size houses with a decent sized bill. The cops don't work for this "1%" you scream about. They work for the city. Officials and it's private citizens. They are not "disposable". They have to deal with everything from homicides to idiots that won't leave a park for months. It's their job, just like working in construction is someone else's.

[-] 1 points by bigbangbilly (594) 11 years ago

Same boat. Different cabins with different point of view and/or source of incentives.

[-] 0 points by necropaulis (491) 11 years ago

Same incentives, too. Not saying all cops are on the up and up, but the bulk of them are. I've noticed a lot of cop bashing on this site, but who do you think the first people they call are when they get robbed?? Or their car gets hit?? Not their buddies. And their point of view should be taken into consideration, they have to deal with bad situations. Do they run?? Nope, they gotta go in there and take care of business. Now, they say I'm some corporate jack soldier. Unless they want to consider this:


[-] 1 points by bigbangbilly (594) 11 years ago

Normally they are on our side however we should had recruited them first when OWS first started. There are many exemptions but there are many obstacles and the ows sees the police as one.

However lets look for a very painful truth that can cause either a schism or a complete conversion as well as debating to allow me to see from your point of view and possibly vice versa if you want.

[-] 0 points by necropaulis (491) 11 years ago

There is no recruiting the police. They can't work for you. They can respect your rights, until you do something wrong, and then they are allowed to restrain you within reason. There are Occupy groups working with the cops, and the cities and things go off without a hitch, and everyone is happier. Most of the posts of people complaining about the police are about the camps that have long overstayed what is legal. In Boston, they were handed a notice to be out by Thursday at midnight. 5 am Saturday, the police moved them out. This was after 10 weeks of them sleeping in the park. In DC, they built a shelter on city property, because it's getting cold out. The police give them a fair shake and send in a building inspector, who condemns it. The police, from a view of public safety, "evict" them from the structure(where some were arrested, because they didn't want to come out). On another occasion, a protestor hits a cop with a flag in the face on purpose, and gets jacked up. People acted like (and called) the cops were fascists/ Nazis. They were just doing what the city, and in a lot of cases, the citizens asked them to do. In my location, they prevented a lot of people from getting to work on time. Who does that affect?? Not them(the protestors), and not the mythical "1%". They are the ones who (at least half the time) call the cops at these events.

[-] -1 points by MVSN (768) from Stockton, CA 11 years ago

WTF are you talking about?

[-] 1 points by bigbangbilly (594) 11 years ago

Did you even read? Are the police being used as disposable pawns? If they are then the police would get angry.

[-] 0 points by MVSN (768) from Stockton, CA 11 years ago

I think the whole problem is much more complicated than that.

[-] 1 points by bigbangbilly (594) 11 years ago

Well start looking for proof on how police are treated by their superiors!!!

[-] 1 points by ramous (765) from Wabash, IN 11 years ago

Actually, start looking at how police are treated by Occupy. They are doing what they have to do, and instead of us acknowledging it is their responsibility to respond to civil disobedience and disruption, we say their job is 'violence'. No, its just their job and its what getting arrested for causing civil disruption looks like. We'll never get them to hear our message if we call their job responsibilities, violence. They do it, even though they are hated for it. They do it, even though no one might ever thank them. They do it for the people who call them to come clean the hippies out of their parks..(which really is the majority of amercians, sad to say, wanting 'business as usual) and even though Occupy-ites will hate them, they'd still put themselves between a hippy and a bullet.

With the Virginia Tech cop murdered just for sitting there, lets seriously not keep demonizing their difficult job. man up, Occupy is breaking the law by invading and seizing spaces that the real 99% demands to keep free for all to use. What Occupy is doing is civil disobedience. Own it. And give the cops a break, because they have to react to our acts.