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Forum Post: Does not look like it is ISIS

Posted 6 months ago on June 21, 2014, 2:26 a.m. EST by Shule (2243)
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In all likelihood this thing about some outside terror group called ISIS taking over Iraq is some fabrication from our own bull spewing government here in the U.S.A. According to the article below its a larger coalition of local Iraqi freedom fighters that is taking over large swaths of Iraq. Could it be that patriotic Iraqis are finallly taking their own country back by ousting that quisling government that the U.S.A. installed?

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article38877.htm

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[-] 7 points by ShadzSixtySix (1786) 3 months ago

''ISIS and Our Times'', by Noam Chomsky :

''The Covert Origins of ISIS ?'' - Via SCGNews

''ISIS is America’s New Terror Brand'', by James F. Tracey :

''To Really Combat Terror, End Support for Saudi Arabia'', by Owen Jones :

''You Can't Understand ISIS If You Don't Know the History of Wahhabism in Saudi Arabia'', by Alastair Crooke :

Anyone who may be relying on USUK MSM-BS for real news re.'ISIS' is going to remain with a serious 'arse and elbow' confusion and remain a victim of Imperial, Hegemonic, Neocon Propaganda Bull Shit !!

fiat lux ...

[-] 4 points by JackPot (87) 3 months ago

What difference does it make? There would be no ISIS without the Iraq War. ISIS is connected to 9-11 attacks by the Iraq War which is also connected to collapse of WTC Buildings by G W Bush Administration. The 9-11 attacks still needs a new investigation.

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[-] 6 points by ShadzSixtySix (1786) 3 months ago

My 9/11 Meme Equation is as follows ...

9/!! - NORAD + (WTC 1 + WTC 2) + {WTC 7 x WTF!!!} + [Pentagon - Plane + GlobalHawk / CruiseMissile] + UA93 - C.S.I. = Coup d'Etat ... q.e.d. & fyi, consider :

Your main points are sound and your first question ... was well worth asking. I have no response but a chin stroking recognition of the cause of your exasperation & please see my link to Nevada1 below JP.

e tenebris, lux ...

[-] 4 points by MattHolck0 (1886) 3 months ago

new York has a direct interest in the truth of 911

[-] 3 points by Nevada1 (4851) 3 months ago

Article today: Obama To Seek Arms, Training For Syrian Opposition

http://www.chron.com/news/politics/article/Obama-to-deliver-prime-time-address-on-militants-5743799.php

Another tragic rerun.

[-] 4 points by ShadzSixtySix (1786) 3 months ago

''What kind of country goes around bombing people with no strategic purpose and with little motive other than to “flex muscles” and “show toughness”? [Sadly] This answer also seems clear: one that is deeply insecure about its ongoing ability to project strength (and one whose elites benefit in terms of power and profit from endless war).'' from :

''In case you’re wondering how so many Americans have been led to embrace such fear-mongering tripe, consider the statement last week of Democratic Sen. Bill Nelson of Florida:

  • “This is a terrorist group the likes of which we haven’t seen before, and we better stop them now. It ought to be pretty clear when they start cutting off the heads of journalists and say they’re going to fly the black flag of ISIS over the White House that ISIS is a clear and present danger.”

''They’re a “clear and present danger” because they threatened to “fly the black flag of ISIS over the White House.” It’s hard to believe the fear-mongering is anything but deliberate.''

~

Obummer tho' because Obomber the Oblah-blah isn't going to do or say shit ... contra to The US-MIC-Bankster State's wishes & from your link : ''Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell of Ky. .. says it's time for President Barack Obama to "exercise some leadership in launching a response" to the Islamic State militants in Iraq and Syria''. Fkng Christian, Jewish & Muslim nut-jobs are everywhere Nev1, sigh.

cave - bellum se ipsum alet ...

[-] 4 points by MattHolck0 (1886) 3 months ago

“This is a terrorist group the likes of which we haven’t seen before, and we better stop them now. It ought to be pretty clear when they start cutting off the heads of journalists and say they’re going to fly the black flag of ISIS over the White House that ISIS is a clear and present danger.”

these baseless inflammatory statements scream troll to anyone that's had to deal with one

[-] 2 points by ShadzSixtySix (1786) 3 months ago

Except that the ''troll'' in question is an elected representative of The Democratic Party, Matt - namely ''Sen. Bill Nelson of Florida'' !!! Let's face it - Alan Grayson, he ain't !! Holy fkn moly and sheeeeeesh !

ab absurdum ...

[-] 3 points by MattHolck0 (1886) 3 months ago

pretty pathetic

but pathos may have had greater effect before we all learned to deal with it

[-] 1 points by ShadzSixtySix (1786) 3 months ago

The maps, reports & main article here will be - very instructive Matt :

fiat lux ...

[-] 2 points by trashyharry (3152) from Waterville, NY 3 months ago

"Bombing people with no strategic purpose..."-L my MF'n AO-That one gets me right where I live,in Absurdo World.LOLLOLLOL!

[-] 3 points by ShadzSixtySix (1786) 3 months ago

You do have ample cause to laugh harry & also fyi in a dot connection stylee, please do consider :

multum in parvo ...

[-] 3 points by trashyharry (3152) from Waterville, NY 3 months ago

Thanx,Shadzy-as usual you have got The Goods.

[-] 3 points by ShadzSixtySix (1786) 3 months ago

''A U.S. Strategy Against the Islamic State - By Stratfor'' :

In those two links 'th', you'll see the seeds of another decade of war.

Also : http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=oded_yinon

cave - bellum se ipsum alet ...

(beware - war that feeds itself)

[-] 3 points by trashyharry (3152) from Waterville, NY 3 months ago

Massive Malicious Mischief.I am so glad my father is no longer alive to see this Devolution.

[-] 3 points by ShadzSixtySix (1786) 3 months ago

A "report for the US Joint Special Operations University (JSOU) and Strategic Studies Department, 'Dividing Our Enemies, post-invasion Iraq', was “an interesting case study of fanning discontent among enemies, leading to ‘red-against-red’ [enemy-against-enemy] firefights.” - A brief quote, taken from this excellent, deeply researched but long essay :

Also from Dr. Ahmed's article : ''The Third Iraq War has begun. With it, longstanding neocon dreams to partition Iraq into three along ethnic and religious lines have been resurrected.

''White House officials now estimate that the fight against the region’s ‘Islamic State’ will last years, and may outlive the Obama administration. But this ‘long war’ vision goes back to nebulous ideas formally presented by late RAND Corp analyst Laurent Muraweic before the Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board at the invitation of then chairman Richard Perle. That presentation described Iraq as a “tactical pivot” by which to transform the wider Middle East.''

I can't recommend this incredibly thoroughly researched and referenced piece enough .. but with its myriad references, embedded links and fascinating maps - you may need to set half a day aside to explore and digest it. Finally, fyi :

fiat lux et fiat pax ...

[-] 4 points by trashyharry (3152) from Waterville, NY 3 months ago

Thanx for the links-I looked at both of those last night,had a few unexpected free minutes.Nafeez Ahmed is one of my very favorite commentators,and I read everything of his I can find with close attention.You are what our locals would call a "Brick House." What you do buoys my sometimes deflated spirits in these Trying Times.Just sayin'

[-] 4 points by ShadzSixtySix (1786) 3 months ago

Dr. Nafeez Ahmed is second to none and on a par with just about anyone on any matters to do with ME imo. Thanx for your kind and encouraging words and grace & in compliment and solidarity, I append and recommend :

pax et lux ; hic et ubique ; nunc et semper ...

[-] 2 points by trashyharry (3152) from Waterville, NY 3 months ago

Wilco-ATB

[-] 3 points by ShadzSixtySix (1786) 3 months ago

Huh ? + An alternate link to NMA's great article including an interesting wee embedded video :

spero meliora ...

[-] 2 points by MattHolck0 (1886) 3 months ago

the US loves to pass out weapons

[-] 3 points by Nevada1 (4851) 3 months ago

Unbelievable.

[-] 4 points by ShadzSixtySix (1786) 3 months ago

"The crimes of the United States have been systematic, constant, vicious, remorseless, but very few people have actually talked about them. You have to hand it to America. It has exercised a quite clinical manipulation of power worldwide while masquerading as a force for universal good. It's a brilliant, even witty, highly successful act of hypnosis." (Harold Pinter, 2005 Nobel Lecture)

e tenebris ...

[-] 5 points by trashyharry (3152) from Waterville, NY 3 months ago

Can't help but wonder-why does ISIS release videotaped provocations/threats aimed at Obombsy&The Putinator? One would think their main Target would be BooBooOnYou Netanyahu.But about Ziofascist lawn mower men,ISIS has No Comment.Can't make out why The People of the Lawnmowers aren't condemning ISIS in a loud&bombastic manner.I guess the People of Israel do not fear ISIS for some reason.Also,with the supposedly modern,well equipped and popularly supported 500K person IDF is NOT volounteering to fight ISIS,nor does anyone seem to be suggesting they should.I guess the IDF prefers to take on a million starving,barefoot children trapped in a hole while all the other rich countries cheer them on.IDF fight ISIS? It ain't gonna happen.That is a job for-somebody else.

[-] 1 points by grapes (3552) 3 months ago

The U.S. has contiguous fronts on every continent except Antarctica. You may well be right that IDF will not fight IS because IS has almost no chance to conquer the Levant first.

[-] 1 points by grapes (3552) 3 months ago

Israel is not contiguous to the fronts of IS yet. IDF fighting IS may happen once IS has conquered the Levant.

Israel has no reason to fight IS yet although Sotloff was an Israeli citizen. Israel let the U.S. take care of that because Sotloff was also a U.S. citizen. All that Israel needed to do was keeping its mouth shut.

[-] 1 points by trashyharry (3152) from Waterville, NY 3 months ago

I think the total disestablishment of the State of Israel is one of the goals of your garden variety Islamic Fundamentalist.All things being equal,that is...

[-] 1 points by grapes (3552) 3 months ago

The disestablishment of the State of Israel is not a goal of IS but it is perhaps a side effect. IS wants to realize, "Allahu Akbar!" (rule with Shari'a) with the "sword" by cleansing the "kafir" through blood. I am very sure that Israel is included as kafir as is most of the world; even Islamic ones deemed to be betrayers of the faith would not be spared.

[-] 2 points by trashyharry (3152) from Waterville, NY 3 months ago

Jeez Louise.That is such a buzzkill.

[-] 2 points by grapes (3552) 3 months ago

You are right! The "sword" is too medieval and inefficient for IS. It prefers modern and efficient ultralight chainsaw for the halal buzzkill for all "kafirs."

[-] 1 points by trashyharry (3152) from Waterville, NY 3 months ago

LOL-Touche' grapey +1 point

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (1886) 3 months ago

people that use violence are not Islamic fundamentalist

or islamic extremist

violence is used to force ones will on another

[-] 3 points by trashyharry (3152) from Waterville, NY 3 months ago

The Wahabi Islamists are often described as fundamentalists but they seem pretty violent.I guess alot of rich Saudis support Wahabi,and they are forking out lots of money to Jihadis.My experience with Islamic people is that they are excellent people.

[-] 1 points by turbocharger (1718) 3 months ago

Interesting how this band of misfits were in Syria, and instead decided to head to Iraq instead of simply heading south very easily to Israel, assuming that destroying the West is their goal.

[-] 4 points by trashyharry (3152) from Waterville, NY 3 months ago

I think the situation has many synthetic elements.The videos of the beheadings are fake,IMO.Global Post and The Ground Truth are both fake.Both beheading victims and also the dude that got released are connected to these fake media organizations.The 2 people who supposedly were reporters did hardly any reporting that can be found in the internets.The remarks made by the dude that got released when he first appeared were totally nonsensical.IS has every appearance of a created entity that covert operatives have lost control of.

[-] 1 points by grapes (3552) 3 months ago

IS is NOT stupid! Why would they even want to pick a fight with the strongest military force, the IDF, in the Middle East instead of trying to conquer the traditional tribal areas in Mesopotamia? IS takes the path of least resistance and tries to gain control of the foundations of power of a real state. IS turned back to Syria when it had encountered stiff resistance in Iraq backed by the U.S. airstrikes. Control of the Levant was its goal but it is far more ambitious than that.

[-] 2 points by turbocharger (1718) 3 months ago

Well you have a very detailed analysis of this all, considering you live over here.

Good thing your government...errrrrr.... Rueters and the AP are there to give you the straight scoop..!!

[-] 1 points by grapes (3552) 3 months ago

If I have to be living over there to get the stories straight, I would have been as stupid as the people living there supporting their governments' versions of reality.

The truth is that ALL realities ARE manufactured in our minds but NOT ALL realities are created equal. Some are created MORE equal than others if you know how NOT to be my "brothers' keeper."

[-] 3 points by Nevada1 (4851) 6 months ago

Good Post

[-] 2 points by HalalDali (17) 3 months ago

Exposing the false flag operations is the way to stop the Domino Theory of Terror. There are only 20 countries with a “Free Press” and Internet. The remaining 200 countries don’t have free press, free speech or uncensored internet access. These 200 countries are shielded from terrorism by their lack of free access to technology.

Why would ISIS need any communication to the West at all? They are not threatening to attack NATO. Ninety percent of the countries in the world probably couldn’t receive reports about ISIS if they were directed at them. Even if they could receive reports from ISIS, why would they care about ISIS battles in Iraq and Syria two small countries thousands of miles away?

[-] 1 points by Nevada1 (4851) 3 months ago

Well Said

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (1886) 3 months ago

These 200 countries are shielded from terrorism by their lack of free access to technology.

strike that, reverse it - Willy Wonka

[-] 1 points by HalalDali (17) 3 months ago

ISIS has about 1,000 members. There aren’t enough of them to pose more than a nuisance to small populations. If the authorities censor all media coming in and going out the population won’t be terrorized because the censors have removed harmful content.

ISIS can only hold a small territory. They are not interested in building a global empire.

[-] 1 points by grapes (3552) 3 months ago

Multiple sources all indicated that ISIS has many more than 1000 members. From where did you get your number of 1000?

[-] 1 points by grapes (3552) 3 months ago

ISIS having tried to seize oil facilities and oil fields showed their global impact whether they are truly interested in building a global empire or not. The "fear premiums" on oil prices affect nearly everyone so ISIS has the de facto effects of a global empire due to its locations and targets of attacks.

[-] 1 points by HalalDali (17) 3 months ago

Is ISIS Ali Baba or is ISIS Robin Hood? ISIS markets stolen oil to Turkey. Turkey is in NATO. This gives the ISIS threat a huge credibility problem.

The Islamic State has established a market in the Middle East for oil stolen from conquered fields in Syria and Iraq, depending heavily on oil sales to pay for ammunition and basic goods for its mujahideen. Reports claim that it has established a major market in Turkey, a NATO country who should be at the forefront of the fight against ISIS.

Is Obama Richard the Lion Hearted or is Obama the Sheriff of Nottingham? Wouldn’t NATO be expected to open fire on ISIS just for crossing the Turkish border?

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2014/09/09/Report-Turkey-s-Border-Towns-Provide-a-Welcoming-Market-for-ISIS-Oil

[-] 1 points by grapes (3552) 3 months ago

IS was a creature that climbed out of the "sea" of humanity onto the shores of the Levant. The Arab Spring uprising (and its subsequent prolonged civil war in Syria) was the more recent primary cause of the creation of IS. Without the quick resolution of the civil war, countries such as Turkey aided and abetted ALL who were opposed to Assad, including the unsavory Al-Qaeda-in-the-Arabian-Peninsula that eventually evolved into IS.

Although being formerly good friend with Assad, Turkey wanted to get rid of him due to the cruel and prolonged unrest and refugee crisis on its borders with Syria. Being neighbor to the war zone's chaos made Turkey play with "breathing out fire" countenanced by the Biggies. Yep, we got the phoenix of IS alright from the burnt Turkey with the Al-Qaeda sauce.

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (1886) 3 months ago

if the oil is getting to europe

that oil requirement of the economy is stable

[-] 1 points by grapes (3552) 3 months ago

If censorship shields people from terrorism, by your reckoning, only 20 countries in the world are susceptible to terrorism therefore the "blinded, deaf, and dumb" peoples of the other 200 countries of the world are really blessed. No way! Despite censorship, they get bombed, tortured, and mutilated just the same if not more.

[-] 2 points by HalalDali (17) 3 months ago

Censorship vs Propaganda

End the Military Censorship - Pt. 1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUSx18NGhWc

End the Military Censorship - Pt 2 - A step-by-step Campaign

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1twug9WWvMQ .

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (1886) 3 months ago

failed argument for censorship

[-] 2 points by HalalDali (17) 3 months ago

Censorship is not being defended here. The fact that a free press doesn’t exist for 90% of the countries allows the majority of the planet to hear only propaganda.

Who are the arms dealers supplying the sophisticated weapons and providing training on how to use these weapons?

Project Censored: Is the Press Really Free? The 1998 documentary

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKoDqErD_A8

The American public cannot make informed decisions if they are listening to propaganda while believing they are benefiting from a free press.

War Photographers: Michael Kamber and Louie Palu on Iraq and Afghanistan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCXsekzcRm8

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (1886) 3 months ago

MSM likes to tell the people what they are thinking when we have no reason to believe that MSM is telling the truth

[-] 1 points by HalalDali (17) 3 months ago

MSM is corporate controlled.

Shadows of Liberty

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfzgBf1OJfw

[-] 2 points by Nevada1 (4851) 3 months ago

Here we go again----US Forms Core Coaltion To Counter Iraq Militants.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/09/05/us-iraq-crisis-coalition-idUSKBN0H00TA20140905

When they say "no boots on ground", that is exactly what they are planning.

All hinging on two False Flag beheadings.

[-] 4 points by Shule (2243) 3 months ago

I hear the U.S.A. is hiring mercenaries to be the " boots on the ground." I suppose that way they can do all the dirty deeds that the regular U.S. army is prohibited from doing. Stay tune for some will gruesome shock, torture, and awesome war crimes.

[-] 2 points by Nevada1 (4851) 3 months ago

Exactly. Military contractors, that rape anything slower than themselves.

[-] 1 points by grapes (3552) 3 months ago

I heard the corporation was hiring allshore foreign workers to be the "boots on the neck of labor." I suppose that way they can do all the dirty deeds that the U.S.-based labor is prohibited from doing. Investigate gruesome, shock, torture, and awesome labor and environmental crimes. A rerun of the MBA classic!

[-] 2 points by MattHolck0 (1886) 3 months ago

"no boots on ground", we will need bigger explosion to make sure these boots fly through the air

[-] 2 points by grapes (3552) 3 months ago

All the way from Raqqa, Syria, to Iraq, really?

[-] 1 points by grapes (3552) 3 months ago

The big deal about the two beheadings is not that two persons were executed gruesomely(according to Western standards). The BIG deal is that they were INNOCENT journalists who contributed to the understanding of our world and subsequently minimized unintended consequences.

The U.S. has allies that do beheadings but imposing that on another country's citizen UNJUSTLY is a just cause for war. Besides, other countries know that they will sooner or later have the knife on their necks, too.

[-] 2 points by Nevada1 (4851) 3 months ago

The portion of the USG opting for war, could not care less if people die, innocent or not, American or not. Those in power will lie and murder to get oil and war. The USG has a history of doing bad things.

[-] 1 points by grapes (3552) 3 months ago

Yes, the USG has a history of doing bad things but in whose names is the USG doing them? You, me, and every U.S. citizen and national. Honestly, do you use oil, gasoline, natural gas, pharmaceuticals, plastics, fertilizers, coal, propane, electricity, or truck transportation for goods, etc? The answer must be yes and the prices of all of these are affected by the price of oil.

Those in power will lie and murder to get oil and war but those not in power pretend or decide not to see that those in power have power because of everyone's addiction to oil and other fossil fuels.

[-] 3 points by Nevada1 (4851) 3 months ago

Doing it for corporations. US Corporations ok with citizens drinking fracking fluid, while Exporting LNG.

Corporations generally don't care if people suffer and die.

Regarding consumption, our footprint is tiny----10 gallons 87/month, 323KWH/month, no gas service, recycle plastic etc, old car, vegan, minimal purchases, natural fertilizer on garden, build things-------Let the grid go down, and end the excuse to murder------We will find another way.

Addicts can go to rehab.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (23978) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 months ago

Doing it for corporations

oooo that sounds so dirty. Talking about government? As yes - that is some dirty business - and - no - not in anything imaginably like a fun way. Talk about poster-children for lock-up in a super-max = that would be many top executives of industry ( plus staff ) and their lackeys in government.

[-] 2 points by Nevada1 (4851) 3 months ago

Hey DKA, Agree. Love the Exxon Hates ad series.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (23978) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 months ago

I would really love it to see it air prime time on all of the major channels. Accompanied by - Pennsylvania Makes Public 243 Cases of Fracking Contaminated Water by FishOutofWaterFollow

[-] 4 points by Nevada1 (4851) 3 months ago

Yes, that would be excellent. Finally, some official recognition of the hazard-------So sick of frackers claiming no proof.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (23978) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 months ago

So sick of frackers claiming no proof.

Damn straight - worthy of a prime time special = Flogging the blatant Liars and murderers of Industry - a town hall special kick off to their trials - prior to sentencing to life in the super-max - special guest star Bernie Madoff will be the Host of Ceremonies - prior to being returned to prison himself to finish off his 150 or so year sentence.

[-] 4 points by Nevada1 (4851) 3 months ago

Knowingly putting deadly toxins in a water resource------Crime against Earth, and they must be brought to Justice.

[-] 3 points by Renneye (4007) 3 months ago

"Crime Against Earth."

Hey, I really like that. What if there were a separate branch of law against corporations that harmed our Mother Earth? A tribunal, similar to that of a "Tribunal for Crimes Against Humanity".

Run By the People, For the People....of course.

[-] 3 points by Nevada1 (4851) 3 months ago

Tribunal in Malaysia perhaps, where they did the Bush Cheney War Crimes trial.

[-] 7 points by Renneye (4007) 3 months ago

Yep, the "Kuala Lumpur War Crimes Tribunal."

How about, the "OWS Tribunal For Crimes Against Earth"?

It has a nice sound to it, doesn't it?!

[-] 2 points by Nevada1 (4851) 3 months ago

Yes

[-] 2 points by Nevada1 (4851) 3 months ago

Yes, time is right for such a tribunal. Take back Earth.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (23978) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 months ago

Real reality TV ? Show the criminals as they get stripped of their citizenship and all of their ill gotten goods and are stuffed into a super-max cell for ever.

Now that - would be educational TV.

[-] 1 points by Nevada1 (4851) 3 months ago

Excellent.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (23978) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 months ago

And in some cases dumping it on purpose into a river that is the drinking source for thousands - for over 30 times. THAT is premeditated murder and attempted murder.

All of this = fracking and dumping and poisoning ( not f'n euphemistic fouling - BUT OUT AND OUT POISONING ) aquifers and rivers and lakes and the air and the soil.

[-] 2 points by Nevada1 (4851) 3 months ago

Shocking, and they make billions, all the while these corps act like they are doing us a big favor.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (23978) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 months ago

[-] 2 points by Nevada1 (4558) 3 minutes ago

And Monsanto----Those guys need to drink RoundUp.

↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink

Yep - to wash down bushels and bushels of roundup ready corn and any other poisonous plants that they have created.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (23978) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 months ago

Replying here.

Then the public is further insulted by: https://occupywallst.org/forum/stand-up-to-cancer-on-air-now-700pm-central-time-m/

[-] 2 points by Nevada1 (4851) 3 months ago

And Monsanto----Those guys need to drink RoundUp.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (23978) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 months ago

Good for you Good for the environment. The Fuckers.

[-] 2 points by Nevada1 (4851) 3 months ago

These guys need to go for a swim.

[-] 1 points by grapes (3552) 3 months ago

Corporations care about profits. If we link whether people suffer and die to the profits, the corporations will care a lot! Corporations may mostly be amoral but it is we the people who allow them to be immoral.

Your way of life is laudable in how small its environmental footprint is. Significant number of us exceed your footprint. There is not much point in trying to convince people that our way of life leads to wars because they don't really care and they don't really want to know. In a market economy, communications are conveyed through prices. We just need to tag on the costs of military expenditures for interventions in countries producing oil to a national oil tax as a start. Those who do not care about oil wars probably do not care about paying oil tax either.

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (1886) 3 months ago

truck transport is energy efficient

the engine weighs less than the mass transport

car transporting a single work to work is not efficient

[-] 1 points by flip (7101) 3 months ago

trains are much better than trucks - no?

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (1886) 3 months ago

absolutely trains require a regulated system of tracks

ships are also an efficient means of transport

[-] 2 points by JackPot (87) 3 months ago

Why would innocent journalists be in Iraq or Syria to report on civil war and terrorists? Freedom of the Press is respected only in a few places.

Steven Sotloff had dual American-Israeli citizenship. He grew up in Miami. He became a Zionist and moved to Israel. Zionism is the primary source of conflict in the Middle East. He should have stayed in Florida.

James Foley freelance war correspondent during the Syrian Civil War when he was abducted on November 22, 2012 in northwestern Syria. Taking a freelance job is risky to begin with. To be a freelance war correspondent is a death wish.Before journalism, Foley was an instructor for Teach For America. In 2009, he became an embedded journalist with USAID-funded development projects in Iraq, and in 2011, he wrote for military newspaper Stars and Stripes in Afghanistan, and GlobalPost in Libya, where he was captured by Gaddafi loyalist forces and held for 44 days. When he was captured in Syria the following year, he was working for Agence France-Presse and GlobalPost. Foley grew up in New Hampshire.

US State Department issues Travel Warnings. Syria and Iraq are on the list. If a refugee family fleeing Syria or Iraq escapes to a friendly country then they can be interviewed by journalists. Traveling to war zones in search of a story is unjustified.

I have not knowingly read or seen any journalistic work produced by Foley or Sotloff.

[-] 1 points by grapes (3552) 3 months ago

The world needs to be watching. Without Freedom of the Press, the peoples cannot discipline unruly rulers. The absence of it is the most important reason that our world is so full of Putings.

Do not blame the victims for the crimes against humanity.

Traveling to war zones in search of a story is necessary to counter the truthiness of the Putings spread worldwide. Just to remind you that Saddam Hussein and Moammer Gadhafi did not "get" this important principle so they had to "get" their ways. When the world is not watching, it imagines the worst and unintended "things happen."

[-] 2 points by JackPot (87) 3 months ago

Freedom of the Press is the exception not the rule. Just about everywhere else the Press is suppressed. Even in the United States the Press and propaganda are thrown into the same basket. Try to get a full page ad advocating reopening the investigation of the 9/11 Collapse of WTC Buildings or Bush Administration being sent to an International Court for alleged Crimes against Humanity.. Censorship is the means of controlling expression and thought. Permanent members of the UN Security Council are guilty, China and Russia, as are all Muslim countries. This is where a Free Press is against the law. Basically outside of USA, Canada, parts of Europe there is no Free Press. So there is no point of our journalist going there.

[-] 1 points by grapes (3552) 3 months ago

I can probably gather tons of foreigners who will tell you that THEIR press is free. You need to open your eyes wider.

I can agree that our journalists do not need to go everywhere because they are targeted due to tgeir associated with a country that stirs up intense emotions worldwide. We still need objective reporting worldwide, perhaps by other countries' nationals.

[-] 2 points by JackPot (87) 3 months ago

There are probably tons of people that think they have a free press, and don’t know they have access only to censored publications and propaganda.

Pentagon Papers Daniel Ellsberg First Amendment National Security Freedom Of The Press Domino Theory

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lzVXHvMrGU

Wikipedia:Censorship is the suppression of speech, public communication or other information which may be considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, politically incorrect or inconvenient as determined by governments, media outlets, authorities or other such entities.

As expected USA, Canada, parts of Europe (not all) have a free press. See world map in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_by_country (at bottom)

The map shows that most of Asia, Africa, and Latin America do not have a free press. A Free Press doesn’t happen automatically. There were a combination of factors that fostered a free press: Protestant Reformation and Revolutions had the most influence.

Even a Free Press will be censored. The vast majority of the planet does not enjoy a free press. What American journalists want to do may be against the law.

. NYPD Publicly Executes Eric Garner For Illegal Cigarettes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-xHqf1BVE4

Unseen Video Of Eric Garner Death - Over 7 minutes handcuffed not breathing NYPD chokehold AFTERMATH

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vT66U_Ftdng

There are a lot of stories in the USA that need more Free Press.

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (1886) 3 months ago

if we live in a transparent society|

no one will be able to get away with anything without other people knowing

[-] 0 points by grapes (3552) 3 months ago

Freedom of the Press seems well correlated to developed countries. The richer countries have more freedom. The notable exceptions in internet freedom in the developed world are the U.S. and the U.K., probably because of 9/11 and the London subway bombing causing hyperactive NSA and GCHQ.

[-] 2 points by JackPot (87) 3 months ago

Free press is protected by about 20 countries. This means there are about 200 countries where Freedom of the Press does not exist.

The huge problem is most of the planet doesn’t want a free press or free speech. Suppose an American journalist is caught in N. Korea searching for a story. The view from America is based on the First Amendment. The view from N. Korea is that the reporter is a spy working for the CIA. This would be a view similar to that held by 90 percent of the planet.

On the other hand there is a need for a lot more investigative reporting on the United States. The best use for Freedom of the Press is self-examination.

[-] 1 points by grapes (3552) 3 months ago

Self investigation is not trustworthy because of the conflict of interest. We in the U.S. should import North Korean journalists to dig out our real stories. Another way that can be done is for the U.S. populace to blab globally and have North Korea knock down any barrier to information flow.

[-] 3 points by JackPot (87) 3 months ago

Unfortunately N. Korea doesn't have a free press. The Canadians, the Brits, the Aussies, the French and the Germans and every other country with a free press have reported on their US investigations extensively. These reports aren't readily available at the newsstands in the USA. Some reports are on the Internet.

Professor Daniele Ganser (Switzerland) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fUT7XgLiTY

Professor Laurie Manwell (Canada) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCY_vopQbRk#t=339

Professor Niels Harrit (Denmark) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNPeMvsSbl4

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (1886) 3 months ago

those acts were not internet related

[-] 1 points by grapes (3552) 3 months ago

Fear connects ALL through the Collective Subconscious.

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (1886) 3 months ago

a collective conscious would not support fear

[-] 1 points by grapes (3552) 3 months ago

Fear ending up in the Collective Subconscious is simply called Repression in psychiatry.

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (1886) 3 months ago

not sure if other counties consider the US as much as we'd like to think

[-] 0 points by grapes (3552) 3 months ago

It is both a love-hate relationship. If you truly get into their heads, you will know that the U.S. looms large in their mindspace. They for sure are preoccupied with their own concerns but every time something bad is looming, they come calling for the U.S.

There is NO escape from the U.S. taking on global responsibilities. Just look at what ugly international situations we have already got into by beating the drum of retreat for the last several years. Many regions are acting up.

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (1886) 3 months ago

retreat

I thought we secured the oil fields

the cities: full of people manipulated to that end

[-] 1 points by grapes (3552) 3 months ago

There is no such thing as "secured" the oil fields because securing is needed as long as the oil fields are productive and still have potential or actual reserves.

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (1886) 3 months ago

there is no just cause for war

[-] 1 points by grapes (3552) 3 months ago

Fine, I will call it the proper "language" instead.

[-] 2 points by turbocharger (1718) 3 months ago

One of the best analogies of ISIS I have read, and important historical information for everyone.. "Step 1: Build up a dictator or extremist group which can then be used to wage proxy wars against opponents. During this stage any crimes committed by these proxies are swept under the rug. [Problem] Step 2: When these nasty characters have outlived their usefulness, that's when it's time to pull out all that dirt from under the rug and start publicizing it 24/7. This obviously works best when the public has no idea how these bad guys came to power.[Reaction] Step 3: Finally, when the public practically begging for the government to do something, a solution is proposed. Usually the solution involves military intervention, the loss of certain liberties, or both. [Solution]"

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (1886) 3 months ago

that eliminates the need to stage the horrific actions

[-] 1 points by Shule (2243) 3 months ago

Ah yes, I see Obama playing like a kid with matchsticks and a gasoline canister in an already burning tinder box.

You'd think on this day 9/11, he'd reflect and learn something a little something from the past.

Its only a matter of time. The fire in the Middle-East will consume the U.S..

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (1886) 3 months ago

US airstrike reportedly kills three 'senior members' of ISIS ... New York Daily News ‎- 1 hour ago

[-] 2 points by MattHolck0 (1886) 3 months ago

good ol' US decapitation by bomb

[-] 2 points by MattHolck0 (1886) 3 months ago

the US as conducted over 100 airstrikes since early august

that's hardly an execution or two

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (23978) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 months ago

Halliburton stock takes a positive point gain on the announcement.

[-] 1 points by Nevada1 (4851) 3 months ago

Halliburton, is getting it's rocks off right now, over all the contracts it will get relating to war. Last time, they even had a contract for doing the laundry.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (23978) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 months ago

Did you see where Helliburton got slapped with a fine for their part in the BP Gulf Oil spill?

[-] 1 points by Nevada1 (4851) 3 months ago

Yes. Nice to see.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (23978) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 months ago

Still - if the fine(s) levied do not hurt the business - what good are they? Will Helliburton be hurt by this? One could hope.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (23978) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 months ago

I see - that I must have one of my many fans silently following and down voting my comments - no matter what those comments say or pertain to.

Kudos - for your restraint in not making a comment of your own as to explain your apparent UN-reasoning animus towards me. Or is it reasoning animus - at this point in time - one will never know.

( above - where I said - many fans? - I presume that YOU know I meant no such thing - I was being euphemistic as regards the regular appearance of some sort of bot or sock puppet user )

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (23978) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 months ago

looking at that short flurry of votes - would jart find one long time user = legit - or find something else?

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (23978) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 months ago

Well the next round of USA MIC BS is about to be announced/pushed tonight on lame stream media at 9pm eastern time.

Presenting another round of training and arming local ( to the region ) rebels/resistance - to combat ISIS or ISIL - what future horrors should we expect from this?

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (1886) 3 months ago

weapons are for killing

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (23978) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 months ago

So wise - so very wise - thank you captain obvious.

[-] 0 points by RadBrad (12) 6 months ago

No, not at all

[-] 0 points by Shule (2243) 6 months ago

Oh, Then what?

[-] 2 points by RadBrad (12) 6 months ago

Are you blind? Highly motivated and surprisingly well trained and highly funded and well equipped radical Islamic militants who have kicked the collective ass of the Iraqi army and police force. How do you not see that?

[-] 3 points by Shule (2243) 6 months ago

To my understanding there is really not much of a fight going on. The Iraqi army and police are in essense handing their weapons over to ISIS as they roll into town. Now, for that to happen more has got to be going than just a bunch crazed terrorist dudes runnning around the desert. Only question is exactly what?

[-] 0 points by shadz66 (19985) 6 months ago

Re. ''surprisingly well trained'', perhaps consider :

e tenebris, lux ...

[-] 2 points by RadBrad (12) 6 months ago

I'm not denying that it happened, because it probably did since the current administration is filled with a bunch of fools, but to say that ISIS is a large group of patriotic Iraqis is just foolish.

[-] 5 points by Shule (2243) 6 months ago

As shadz66 is suggesting below, if one is an Iraqi both the old Sadam Hussein government and ISIS is preferable to the U.S.A. installed quisling government that is running the country now. Why would there not be a large group of patriotic Iraqis trying to get their country back?

[-] 2 points by shadz66 (19985) 5 months ago

''What Did the White House Know? Did Obama Know that ISIS Planned to Invade Iraq?'' by Mike Whitney :

''ISIS in Iraq Stinks of CIA/NATO ‘Dirty War’ Op'', by William Engdahl :

''The Soaring Profits of the Military-Industrial Complex'', by Prof. James Petras :

''The power and influence of the military-industrial complex in promoting serial wars has resulted in extraordinary rates of profit. According to a recent study by Morgan Stanley, shares in the major US arms manufacturers have risen 27,699% over the past fifty years versus 6,777% for the broader market. In the past three years alone, Raytheon has returned 124%, Northrup Grumman 114% and Lockheed Martin 149% to their investors.

''The Obama regime makes a grand public show of reducing the military budget via the annual appropriation bill, and then, turns around and announces emergency supplemental funds to cover the costs of these wars — thereby actually increasing military spending, all the while waving the banner of ‘cost cutting’. Obama’s theatrics have fattened the profits for the US military-industrial complex.''

fiat lux, fiat justitia, fiat pax ...

[-] 2 points by shadz66 (19985) 6 months ago

Dr. Dahlia Wasfi is the daughter of a Jewish-American mother and a Muslim-Iraqi father and writes from a particular perspective, so you should give some credence to what she says ... but I get your point too and please try to view the video at the end of Shule's ICH link.

The bigger picture here is the 'foreign trained, armed, equipped and supplied' - battle hardened 'spear tip' and the numerous local tribal, ex-Baathist, Iraqi Nationalist & disaffected Sunnis - who've now allied with ISIS for their own immediate interests and political advantage.

It's now one Giant Shit Sandwich and we may all have to take a bite but no one is going to convince me that over eleven years of this shit, with another 11+ years of horror before that - is/was/would have been better than Saddam Hussein & his brutal yet functional regime.

The USA and its allies were right behind SH when he was fighting an 8 year war with Iran (in which over one million people died). Removing SH was the work, responsibility and duty of Iraqis & No One Else !!!

But alas geo-politics, hydrocarbons and finally International Bankster Crapitalism {when SH wanted to sell Iraq's oil & gas in any currency other than US dollars} trumped all other considerations !!

Look closely at what we've all got now - while those Neocon Scum are being rehabilitated all over [The Corporate Owned] MSM - you just could NOT have made any of this shit up, ffs !

respice, adspice, prospice ...

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[-] 0 points by turbocharger (1718) 6 months ago

Sounds about right.

[-] 1 points by MattHolck0 (1886) 3 months ago

Occam's razor suggests the producers of the snuff films interested in degrading ISIS