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Forum Post: Do You Want Your Food Inspected? Time to Get Active...

Posted 2 years ago on April 7, 2012, 12:12 p.m. EST by HitGirl (2263)
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Here's the story. The United States Department of Agriculture (USDA) currently inspects all chicken and turkey carcasses for things like bruises, bile and feces before they are sent to further processing. However, the UDSA is now considering a pilot program that would eliminate that inspection and allow poultry processing plants to do whatever they want.

From now until April 26, the USDA is holding a public comment period on whether to go forward with this pilot program. During this comment period, we plan to submit tens of thousands of comments in opposition. Already, over 40,000 members of the Daily Kos community have signed our petition to the USDA, and allied organizations will add even more.

Keep fighting, Chris Bowers, Daily Kos

Link to the Daily Kos petition...

http://campaigns.dailykos.com/p/dia/action/public/?action_KEY=109

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[-] 4 points by factsrfun (5907) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

my comment to them

"As a registered nurse I feel that nothing could cause more widespread harm, both human and financial than reducing food inspection. As a nurse I am faced with the very real decisions that must be made when there are limited funds and great needs."

[-] 3 points by HitGirl (2263) 2 years ago

Thanks for being an active and concerned citizen. And thanks for being a nurse.

[-] 1 points by Nevada1 (4835) 2 years ago

Good Post

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (5907) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

Thanks nevda, this time I thought it wasn't enough to just say I signed the petition.

If we want to stop being “broke” all the time we got to spend our money wisely.

[-] 1 points by Nevada1 (4835) 2 years ago

Agree

[-] -1 points by Kirby (104) 2 years ago

Where is your quote from?

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (5907) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

that's what I wrote on the comment section of the petition, so I guess it's from me

[-] 3 points by Normalperson1 (119) from Indianapolis, IN 2 years ago

A few thoughts. Even today the food is NOT fully safe and people can and have died eating contaminated meat and vegetables. With out third party inspections that are NOT paid off mean you can not say that you are really getting ground cow. or issue with the potatoes.

[-] 3 points by HitGirl (2263) 2 years ago

That's true. Not only that but I just read an article about the chemicals they find in chicken feed. They include the following: benadryl, prozac, steroids, and various antibiotics. Enough to make you think twice about the next roaster you buy at the supermarket.

[-] -2 points by Kirby (104) 2 years ago

Grow your own. The government is shit. Get it? Btw, what is wrong with Prozac,benadryl, and steroids.

[-] 2 points by HitGirl (2263) 2 years ago

They tend to give you paranoid delusions about the government.

[-] -1 points by Kirby (104) 2 years ago

Your funny. You love the government and always will love the control they have in your life. I never will.

[-] 1 points by HitGirl (2263) 2 years ago

I see the potential of good government. There are thousands of examples! People like you tend to ignore all that because it's easier to be self-interested and critical of everything.

[-] 0 points by Kirby (104) 2 years ago

You, HitGirl should take another toke. Strong government always leads to tyranny. As our government becomes more centralized, it steals your freedom. You are a useful idiot.

[-] 3 points by Nevada1 (4835) 2 years ago

Hi HitGirl, Signed. Industry can not be trusted. Without inspectors around, they will also cheat more regarding humane issues.

[-] 3 points by HitGirl (2263) 2 years ago

I've heard some horror stories about people who handle food. If you lower the inspection standard you can bet the industry will lower there standards. It's a recipe for disaster.

[-] 3 points by bensdad (8977) 2 years ago

I trust industry
...........................................sincerly yours,
.............................................d. koch


In 18 months my new food plant will be producing the best food possible from the world's most easily renewable resource...... After we get Rs majorities in both houses & at 1600 Pennsylvania - we will launch our soylent green project - with free recipe books!
I'll bet your mouth is watering! Soylent greebn is coming!

[-] 2 points by GypsyKing (8719) 2 years ago

Yes, 'In unregulated industry we trust.' That will be on the new, worthless dollars.

[-] -1 points by JanitorInaDrum (134) 2 years ago

Sorta like the Whitehouse's JOBS act?

Five years of zero regulation or standards for start ups.

Many big businesses managed to screw half the US population in less than three years.

[-] 2 points by GypsyKing (8719) 2 years ago

Well, the economy was already on it's knees when he took office. Now they want him out so they can kill it completely. And I'll tell you something, I HATE the way the Democrats have caved-in to vested interest. But on the other hand when the wind is North by Northwest "I know a hawlk from a handsaw."

The fact that all of you are here working overtime pounding away at this same theme on this is enough proof for me of what is true.

[-] 0 points by JanitorInaDrum (134) 2 years ago

The economy was given the kiss of death many years ago.

The fact that all of you seem to think this is something that just happened recently, and attributable to one party or the other, just proves to me that people really do see what they want to see while rejecting anything contrary to these perceptions no matter how clearly unhidden the truth is.

Your default defense of one party or the other having any merit solely based upon the reality of jaded realists, such as myself, pointing out that your precious demoncraps are every bit as complicit to the obvious agenda as any repugnican, is sad and pathetic.

Wake up and realize there is no future in irrationally carrying torches for either party perpetrating their mayhem in a corporate owned DC.

http://government.westlaw.com/linkedslice/default.asp?SP=DCC-1000

Read both of New Columbia's Constitutions and then see if you can find the similarities between the United States TWO constitutions.

It really is about money owed defaulted upon parlayed into absolute control and as simple as many have repeatedly tried telling you it is.

[-] -1 points by Centerrightcountry (16) 2 years ago

But government somehow is looking out for us and can be trusted completely, despite having no accountability. LOL.

Our food is safe because of freedom and incentives in the free market system. Suppliers know that if they fuck up, their business might be destroyed. Smarten up. What world have you been living in?

[-] 4 points by gestopomillyy (1695) 2 years ago

it was not too long ago that some people were sickened and died from food from a tyson plant. do you see tyson running scared of the business being destroyed? i dont think so. why do you imagine that selling contaminated food would worry the giants of the industry? tyson is still on the self and people have forgotten that they are the ones that did the killing. thats how it works with out inspection

[-] 1 points by WildMan (27) 2 years ago

Hmm... do you have a link to the story in the people who died from eating tyson chicken?

By the way, Tyson is subject to USDA regulations. If what you are saying is true teh USDA inspectors who "inspect every carcass" are not doing their job very well.

[-] 1 points by gestopomillyy (1695) 2 years ago

http://news.yahoo.com/more-ground-turkey-recalled-because-salmonella-132246744.html

condsidering that americans consume 5.25 billion lbs of turkey a year. id say they are doing great

[-] -2 points by Centerrightcountry (16) 2 years ago

Yeah, Tyson does too run scared. Imagine being the plant manager. Imagine the top-to-bottom investigation inside Tyson and the cleaning that went on. Tyson is on the shelf. It's a big company and has survivability and a long track record that confirms something like that as an isolated incident. Perfect isn't possible and using an incident of not perfect to sell us more government is nonsense.

We have 310 million people. We eat a lot. We're shipping food all over the country and from many parts of the world. It's going to through different climates and handling. Our food safety, quality, and consistency is a stunning achievement.

Just think about what happens. Take baby food. Just go look at it some time. There you'll see probably 3 dozen kinds, all perfectly consistent, all perfectly packaging, all with pristine food inside. They even use individual glass containers vacuum sealed. Many stores stock multiple sizes. Most likely, every size and every variety will be in stock. This isn't just one store on one day a month, this is virtually every store in the country and every day. To top it off, the product is damn near free; it's something like $.59.

If that baby food company even SUSPECTED a problem, they'd recall millions and millions of dollars worth. They would and you know it.

And if you want the ultimate test, take that recalled food, food our system would destroy, and watch how half the world's population would eat it and would be thankful to have it. We've created a miracle and not because of the government.

That's what's real.

[-] 1 points by gestopomillyy (1695) 2 years ago

they would not. thats where you are mistaken. no company, without fear of losing licenses , permits, fines and lawsuit would do anything of the sort. instead of just a few people getting sick there would be no reaction from the companies until there were a few thousand and then again the government stepped in and threatened the company with something. you are naive to believe that a company would willingly sacrifice millions for the sake of a couple dead consumers.

[-] -1 points by Centerrightcountry (16) 2 years ago

Not really. Sure, cover-ups are something that can happen, government does that too, but the incentives are pretty clear to run a good facility and to not fuck up for the customers. You sell bad chicken to Wal-Mart and your business in at serious risk.

You're naive to think that hiring more government-types would the an already incredibly efficient and safe system better.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (5907) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

Rarely do you see two people on here disagree and both make sense, the government does a pretty good job of food inspection given the size of the job, and given the fact that Americans expect their government for free.

New I see maybe an honest righty? that would be great!

[-] -2 points by Centerrightcountry (16) 2 years ago

True, I don't typically here a lot of problems with U.S. inspectors. They seem to do a reasonable job. They also do things like police our borders (sort of) for bad things coming in, agricultural and food products-wise.

But the left always wants to ramp everything up. There's simply no cause for it and the food safety record in the U.S. is exemplary due to the free market.

If the government wanted to take another step for food safety, it wouldn't be to expand hiring, it would things like disclosure. Making it clear where products are coming from and what's in them is way more valuable than any inspectors. Then, let the market decide. Watch China discipline it's market when it sees that a Chinese food product problem can immediately bring down sales of Chinese foods because people can easily see which ones they are. That's the market.

[-] 2 points by factsrfun (5907) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

How we are doing in regards to % of GDP on food inspection verse say Germany, I am uncertain; so do we have too much? or too little? hard to say without a bar to look at it.

One area I am aware of is that we have exploded far beyond any reasonable standard is the % defense spending to GDP, so I do understand what you are saying it can be a problem.

[-] -2 points by Centerrightcountry (16) 2 years ago

Don't know, but really don't care. I don't consider Europe to have much to emulate.

The food safety record clearly says there's no need for anything more or anything new. Liberals are constantly trying to sell us more government. They attempt to exploit any incident they can to sell the agenda.

But what's lacking is context, the context of the enormity of the food system, how extremely well the free system works, and the fact that 100% perfect isn't possible and that even if it was, the idea that government could bring it to us isn't credible.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (5907) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

You may be right, after all look at all that Uganda has to offer, maybe we should be more like them.

And there goes that chance of an honest debate, what a shame.

[-] 0 points by Centerrightcountry (16) 2 years ago

Sure, because that's the alternative. LOL. The more government we have, the less like Uganda we become, of course.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (5907) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

We could all be more like republicans and stick our heads up our butts, that way we would never have to listen to anybody else, or look at how others are doing things.

After all God tells us everything we need to know, even about science.

[-] 0 points by Centerrightcountry (16) 2 years ago

Make Government Bigger Or We Become Uganda.

I'll look for your bumper sticker. LOL

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (5907) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

Make corporations bigger because you have too much control over government!

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[-] 1 points by factsrfun (5907) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

opps thought you were taking about Mike Tyson, he don't run from nobody

[-] 0 points by Centerrightcountry (16) 2 years ago

Very true. Not even a rape charge. LOL

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (5907) from Phoenix, AZ 2 years ago

true hey I live in the valley, I want to live

[-] 3 points by HitGirl (2263) 2 years ago

My comment to the USDA was that I don't mind my tax dollars going to food safety and I think most Americans feel the same.

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

I like how they say "exposed to water not intended for food"

Talk about hiding the truth behind propaganda.

http://www.theoaklandpress.com/articles/2012/04/10/life/doc4f84044286bf8600114591.txt

[-] 2 points by HitGirl (2263) 2 years ago

Kinda leaves it wide open. Was it radioactive water? Fracking water? Sewer water?

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

I'm thinkin' hog farm runoff...........:(

Glad I had to give up hand fulls of peanuts....................................:)

[-] 1 points by HitGirl (2263) 2 years ago

Whatever it was it must have been pretty nasty for them to recall 3,000 cases! Notice they were billed as "heart healthy." Maybe that pilot that went cockpit-crazy was munching on some airport peanuts...LoL

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

That says a lot for their quality control methods.

All of it negative.

[-] 2 points by HitGirl (2263) 2 years ago

Kraft Foods produces a lot of stuff...

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Well then, according to that one poster, they will surely go bankrupt, as WalMart will quit carrying Kraft......LOL

As if.

[-] 2 points by HitGirl (2263) 2 years ago

Of course, because the free-market media has exposed them for the hacks they are...LoL

[-] 2 points by Nevada1 (4835) 2 years ago

This post has attracted trolls. This is validation that the post is good, the cause is just, and how concerned food producers are about the truth. Will make a point to bump this post to the top often, for visibility. The trolls can enjoy the Pink Slime.

[-] 2 points by HitGirl (2263) 2 years ago

Validation by troll...I'll take what I can get, I guess.

[-] 0 points by JanitorInaDrum (134) 2 years ago

Very few will not.

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

I want a real inspection agency, not this fake USDA crap

[-] 1 points by JoeTheFarmer (2654) 2 years ago

There is no way the USDA inspect ALL 25 million chicken and turkey carcasses a day. They do sample testing.

We live in the world of light speed information and social communication. If Tyson or Purdue were to put out bad chicken that was making people sick they would go out of business.

Look what happened when that organic spinach was contaminated last year. People found out the first day and it was all pulled from the shelves. The USDA did not catch that one but the internet and media did.

[-] 2 points by Anti385 (58) 2 years ago

HitGirl is right, just because an incident was not caught by the USDA does not mean there should be less inspecting. That is the same backwards logic that is used by people arguing for deregulation in the financial sector. Less regulation just because it doesn't always stop the criminals does not make sense. Why make it easier for the criminals?

[-] -1 points by JoeTheFarmer (2654) 2 years ago

I don't think that anyone would intentionally let bad food go to market,

For example, I do not think that last year the organic spinach farmers in California were criminals. There were floods in that area and some bacteria got on some spinach. The spinach was inspected by the USDA. I do not think those inspectors were criminals.

Millions of pounds were recalled as soon as it was discovered. Some times these bacteria are not detectable until days after products are inspected. We are fortunate today that there are some many types of communication and things are contained immediately. I believe today media and the internet are the best inspectors. In the old days a lot more people would get sick,

[-] 2 points by Anti385 (58) 2 years ago

While I see the reasoning in what you are saying, there are a couple issues that you might be overlooking.

"I don't think that anyone would intentionally let bad food go to market"

Unfortunately, the motive of profit have proven time and time again to be greater than the notion of public service. It is easy for individuals to allow bad food to go to the market for short term profits in the hope that it won't be "too widespread".

I see no reason for taking away an extra layer of protection for our food quality.

[-] 2 points by HitGirl (2263) 2 years ago

And that's supposed to make me want less inspecting?

[-] 0 points by JoeTheFarmer (2654) 2 years ago

All I am saying is I do not believe USDA inspection is as effective as the media is.

You could do what I do... Don't eat meat and grow you own veggies. Of course I do buy cereals, breads and other things but they are rarely tainted. I am lucky that I can get my eggs from the farm down the road.

[-] 2 points by HitGirl (2263) 2 years ago

Just remember that the media only exists because society exists and the rules of society make our informed media possible, and the rules are what we call government. How effective are USDA inspections? Maybe some reality network or consumer group should do a story on it...if they haven't already.

[-] -1 points by Kirby (104) 2 years ago

Grow your own. Quit your whining. Fuck the government. Get it?

[-] 1 points by HitGirl (2263) 2 years ago

See what I mean? Way too much of that Prozac,benadryl, and steroids cocktail.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Derwood?

You're getting weirder.

Most of us actual citizens don't have access to adequate land, nor the time to tend it.

Unlike you, we have jobs and obligations.

We have American lives. Get it?

[-] -1 points by Kirby (104) 2 years ago

Grow your own. Do you have a yard? If not, you need to get one shmooz. Lazy ass. Grow your own and get off your lazy boy. Get it?

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

You're just plain weird Derwood.

Get a job. A nice minimum wage job.

It's the best thing you can do for your beloved corporations.

[-] -1 points by Kirby (104) 2 years ago

I work for myself. Who do you mooch off?

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Sure you do.

You grow pineapples in the winter, you're so good.

You even have an attic full chickens. No wait, that's your head.

I guess you could eat those anyway..........:) NO loss.

[-] -1 points by Kirby (104) 2 years ago

Eat poop loser bitch. Sorry. I'm sinking down to your low life level.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Spoken like no actual farmer I've ever met.

I think your chickens just flew the coop.

Wanna buy some hatching eggs to replace them?

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (8719) 2 years ago

Rah!

[-] 0 points by Kirby (104) 2 years ago

You're a city boy.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

So is most of America.

derp, derp.

I also live through this strange thing called winter.

[-] -1 points by Kirby (104) 2 years ago

I'm impressed.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

No, no. You're just weird.

Besides, thanks to global warming, it wasn't much of a winter.

It just wrecked the blooms on my tulip tee.

[-] -1 points by Kirby (104) 2 years ago

That's too bad. It's part of the cycle dummy. My apple trees won't have apples. Tough shit. It's part of the cycle you moron.

[-] 1 points by GypsyKing (8719) 2 years ago

You're not an anything. You're disguse of being a farmer is about as convincing as a cow in a chicken suit.

[-] 0 points by Kirby (104) 2 years ago

I never said I was a farmer. I grow and raise some of my food. Do you know where a chicken or an egg comes from? I didn't think so. You're a city dweller living in a concrete jungle.

[-] 2 points by GypsyKing (8719) 2 years ago

What aren't you and Joethefarmer the same guy?

[-] 2 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

He's got a tomato plant on Moms patio.........:) Maybe even a pepper plant.

[-] -1 points by Kirby (104) 2 years ago

Joe is not a farmer, according to your walnut sized brain. Are you a gypsy?

[-] -2 points by JanitorInaDrum (134) 2 years ago

Well, you could try eating less too..... maybe grow your own?

[-] 1 points by francismjenkins (3713) 2 years ago

That's why I never liked rare meat, no pink in the middle, I want my slime cooked all the way through :)

Hmmm, maybe vegetarianism is the way go??

But seriously, yeah, our meat and poultry processing industry, terrible. More reasons to make the effort to find and buy LOCAL ORGANIC food.

One thing I know for sure, if people stopped eating this shit, problem solved. There are better alternatives, even if you're poor.

BTW, this is one way we can really get through to people. When food supply is threatened, people magically become interested (okay, it's not really magic)!

[-] 2 points by HitGirl (2263) 2 years ago

I'm eating organic more and more these days.

[-] 0 points by JanitorInaDrum (134) 2 years ago

I tell ya, if you were to cook the beef I raise and slaughter, anything past medium rare, it would be a real crime and horrific loss.

Scottish Highland Belted Galloway, grain and water fed from 300 pounds to 1100-1200 pound slaughter weight and 90% of all standing go USDA grade A. Ages a full 28 days and not a cut on it anywhere with enough fat to make burger meat. 100% natural.

Try some if you ever get the chance.

[-] 1 points by francismjenkins (3713) 2 years ago

Right ... but you're beef isn't pink slime :)

[-] 0 points by JanitorInaDrum (134) 2 years ago

Nope, pan fry a rib eye with a bit of salt and pepper..... you can cut it with a fork.

If you like good beef, try some. I've never seen it cheap, but, I've never eaten any beef that was better.

Your best black angus only ages 21 days before the much higher fat content turns it rancid.

[-] 1 points by toukarin (488) 2 years ago

Personally... I don't eat meat... but for damned sure I want ANY food to be inspected for any potentially dangerous contaminants...

To the naysayers who claim that it is inefficient and drives up costs.... I have this to say: I prefer to pay a little more for food certified by organizations that are publicly accountable than to pay a little less (assuming that they actually lower prices after winning their argument for lowering cost) for food certified by a corporation which lacks transparency and has the power to dodge accountability. That said, the vegetable garden in my backyard is only inspected by me.

The 'pink slime' debate does not affect me as such, but I feel that as long as proper safeguards and appropriate labeling are in place, it could serve as a useful cheaper alternative to prime cuts of meat.

Instead of selling them for profit, and mixing it into other meat products, I propose that the companies producing this so called "pink slime" be allowed to provide it free of cost to homeless shelters (and other such organizations) and claim tax deductions or credits on the basis of the quantity provided. Win-Win.

[-] 4 points by HitGirl (2263) 2 years ago

Really, this isn't about pink slime, but whether the USDA should stop inspecting chickens for feces, bruises, etc. Also, pink slime is ammonium hydroxide mixed with some grotesque beef parts. I would not feed it to homeless people, even homeless dogs. I consider that unethical and somewhat bent.

[-] 0 points by JuanFenito (847) 2 years ago

Signed... but what do bruises have to do with food safety?

[-] 1 points by HitGirl (2263) 2 years ago

You made me look for this, JuanFenito, so here it is. I did it - I can't undo it...

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1058160/pdf/applmicro00356-0010.pdf

[-] 0 points by JuanFenito (847) 2 years ago

It is always good to have information lined up before making a pronouncement.

Even if it is a pathway for bacteria, you're not supposed to prepare rare poultry anyway, and I pretty much consider any meat I get from the store to be a petri dish of bacteria. Which is why I mostly raise and prepare my own meats.

[-] 0 points by Centerrightcountry (16) 2 years ago

If you're a food supplier, being scared of Wal-Mart makes a lot more sense than some flunky at the government. If you sell bad food to any major retailer, your business would very likely implode. That's why food's extremely safe today, not some goofs at the government.

[-] 3 points by brochomsky (208) from Brooklyn, NY 2 years ago

Safe? You mean that food doesn't just kill you on the spot. But a Twinky is safe like smoking is safe. You can dig it for a while till it brings you to health problems and an early death.

The USDA needs to focus more on educating people about what food is good for you, not just what is safe. Industry would be just fine selling us Twinkies.

[-] -1 points by Centerrightcountry (16) 2 years ago

Anything can be abused, even Twinkees. An occasional indulgence in Twinkees or crawfish etouffee isn't going to hurt anyone and hardly needs a government nanny's intervention.

Some education on food choices can be helpful as is disclosure of what's in our food. But, of course, nanny states where we're nagged to death isn't appropriate either.

But like I said, food isn't safe because of government, it's safe because of the market and the harsh potentially business ending consequences of fucking up on safety. The idea that food is safe because of regulators and that making government bigger will make an astonishingly good safety record even incrementally better is just bullshit.

[-] 4 points by brochomsky (208) from Brooklyn, NY 2 years ago

If Monsanto decides it wants to use bovine growth hormone in their cows, and the hormone is damaging to the cow and pernicious to our health when we consume the genetically altered and defeated cow and her milk, who is going to stop Monsanto? Who do we appeal to if their is no public agency dedicated to preserving the safety and sanctity of our agriculture?

[-] 5 points by shadz66 (19985) 2 years ago

For some very interesting insights into 'Monsatan' and its working practices / modus operandi, please try to make some time to watch these extremely revealing documentary films :

  • "Controlling Our Food : The World According To Monsanto" ; 'There's nothing they are leaving untouched: the mustard, the okra, the bringe oil, the rice, the cauliflower. Once they have established the norm: that seed can be owned as their property, royalties can be collected. We will depend on them for every seed we grow of every crop we grow. If they control seed, they control food, they know it -- it's strategic. It's more powerful than bombs. It's more powerful than guns. This is the best way to control the populations of the world.' --- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rml_k005tsU & alt. link http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6262083407501596844 .

  • "David versus Monsanto" : 'Imagine that a storm blows across your garden and that now, genetically-manipulated seeds are in your crops. A multi-national corporation pay you a visit, demand that you surrender your crops - and then sue you for $200 000 for the illegal use of patented, GM seeds. In this definitive David and Goliath battle, one farmer stands up against a massive multinational, and their right to claim ownership to a living organism.' ; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVgwqpvI1bg (HQ Trailer) & http://archive.org/details/DavidV.Monsanto (Full Film).

fiat lux et fiat justitia ...

[-] 3 points by Nevada1 (4835) 2 years ago

Hi shadz66, Thank you for post and links. Best Regards

[-] 1 points by gestopomillyy (1695) 2 years ago

they must have gotten that idea from 'Omen 2 or 3" thats exactly what damian was intending to do, control all the food in the world. i guess the bad guys win.

[-] -1 points by Centerrightcountry (16) 2 years ago

A retailer that sees a market for selling something else. Look at the business that Whole Foods is building. Why do you suppose that's successful?

If someone's doing something that people don't want, the door swings wide open to a business to exploit that opportunity. Food is extremely competitive. We "appeal" to the market. If there's demand, they'll be a happy provider.

The cool thing about competition is that it also helps with the case where the government says something is safe but the public doesn't believe them.

The idea that food is safe because of regulators and that making government bigger will make an astonishingly good safety record even incrementally better is just bullshit. But that doesn't stop liberals from trying to sell it to us anyways.

[-] 1 points by HitGirl (2263) 2 years ago

And exactly who would you report the bad food to? Who would investigate where it came from and exactly how it was bad? Who would issue an alert about the bad food? Could it be some goofs at the government?

[-] 0 points by Centerrightcountry (16) 2 years ago

Selling us bigger government to fix a non-problem with the food supply is a non-solution. Food is astonishingly safe.

Bad food? I'd alert the place I bought it. BUt that's not how most "bad food" is dealt with. Most "bad food" is only suspected bad food and is caught by the suppliers themselves.

For issues of disease, we have an apparatus for that. But more inspectors, that's yet another government waste. The free market system liberals hate has already made our food safe.

[-] 2 points by HitGirl (2263) 2 years ago

Right, government oversight and regulation had nothing to do with it. Same goes for workplace safety, right?

[-] -1 points by Centerrightcountry (16) 2 years ago

At least in today's terms, it doesn't have much to do with it. Maybe in the past, but not today.

But see, of course, now you're broadening things out as you lose the obvious argument about food safety. Food is safe because producers and retailers are scared shitless in the marketplace about selling bad stuff. It's especially true in this age of easy information. Food is stunningly safe. The idea that more government inspectors would make it safer is just foolish. The market works really well: sell bad food and risk your business. Fear of the customers is a better motivator than fear of the government which can be incompetent or bought. Smarten up, look around, deal with reality and drop the propaganda.

[-] 2 points by HitGirl (2263) 2 years ago

Actually, you're losing the argument. One need only look at China to see how the lack of regulations and enforcement effect their food supply. Their children were dieing from the melamine in the baby formula. Food is "stunningly" safe because for years we have had regulations in place governing the environment in which food can be produced. Your remark about scared shitless producers and retailers doesn't hold water in a market where I could simply change the label on anything I produced or never have the source of your ailment correctly identified. You voodoo free-market cultist love to claim that we don't have a free market then you turn around and give the free-market credit for our well regulated food production. Smarten up, look around, deal with reality and drop the voodoo bullshit.

[-] -1 points by Centerrightcountry (16) 2 years ago

But we don't need to look at China, we need to look at us. This is typical bullshit that just tries to sell us more government: "Go ahead, if we don't make it bigger we'll be Somalia, ya know". LOL.

And regulation, sweet pea, is different than hiring another raft of new inspectors. If someone is caught deliberately doing something, fine, have legal consequences. But more inspectors is worthless.

The system already produces amazingly few problems. Leftists take anecdotes, never set the scale of the food industry as a context, and trot out the "government is the answer" nonsense. Your example of switching labels is more nonsense. One, is doesn't happen, so it's a made up problem with, of course, government as the solution. Two, if it did, it would get addresses fast by the retailers that are scared to death about losing their customers.

The market works. Being so easily able to switch foods and switch retailers keep things exceedingly sharp, not government.

[-] 2 points by HitGirl (2263) 2 years ago

You don't even have the story straight. It's not about hiring new inspectors, it's about a pilot program doing away with the inspectors. More of your voodoo gibberish? I bet you're wearing a grass skirt, aren't you? Right, government isn't the answer, bankers are. You know NOTHING about markets if you think they can exist without rules.

[-] -1 points by Centerrightcountry (16) 2 years ago

Great experiment. That's what pilot programs are, sweetie. More government programs should be tested for worth and effectiveness But, nah, that can't happen. Make it bigger: the only answer. LOL.

Food is safe because of the free market leftists hate. The embarrassment is obviously hard to accept.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

There's no such thing as a "free market". Never was, never will be.

It's a myth, so your whole statement is based on a false premiss.

[-] -1 points by Centerrightcountry (16) 2 years ago

And leftists will keep trying to march us as far away from one as they can.

The market is why food is safe. That's just reality.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Rinse, lather, repeat. You're giving blonde jokes a bad name.

If they are really so honest?

Why did they get a law passed in Florida making it illegal to photograph "factory farms", even from public land?

They want to own the reflected photons?

How is that not corporate tyranny?

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[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

It's only stunning, when you get stunned by it.

http://www.avma.org/onlnews/javma/feb11/110201w.asp

[-] -1 points by Centerrightcountry (16) 2 years ago

Food cannot be made perfect. Just look at imperfect preparation in people's private homes (which is the greatest source of problems). We're not all perfectly healthy either and out of our vast population, that leaves some especially vulnerable. We also, by choice, have cooking preferences that create risk like raw fish and lightly cooked meats. Wheeling out stats like you did is easy against the large system and with the way we handle things.

But to make the leap that more government inspections will take it closer to perfect, well, that's just silly and has no basis in reality.

What I know is that if my typical supermarkets, HEB and Whole Foods ever have a problem, the store manager would shit himself in fear. Both companies would have shit attacks and would do whatever is necessary to fix the problem, not because of government but because we're a market economy where customers have a choice.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Yeah, I know what's several thousand sick or dead people when there's pointless profits to be made. They can just buy health care(sic) stock and make up for the court cases.

You have a poo fixation. You might consider seeing someone about that.

[-] -1 points by Centerrightcountry (16) 2 years ago

Government can't make it better than it already is. Sorry, the free market has done the heavy lifting and as it's possible to make it better, they'll be the ones doing it.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

Sorry. You're thinking is seriously flawed.

The "free market" is and always will be a myth.

You just like it when folks get food poisoning.

Me? Not so much.

One of the most telling facts, is that in Florida, it is illegal to photograph one of these "farms", even from public property.

Talk about corporate tyranny.

[-] -2 points by lisaCobamarules (2) from New York, NY 2 years ago

yes and keep up support for our commander! USA has safe good food I agree!

[-] 0 points by Centerrightcountry (16) 2 years ago

Food is stunningly safe. Think too about what happens if it isn't or is even suspected of being unsafe. We'll recall thousands and thousands and thousands of pounds of food away, even at the suspicion of a problem. And it'll all be destroyed. Imagine you own a food producer and have to call Kroger or HEB and tell them there's a problem. Your business could be destroyed right then and there. Retailers and producers have way too much to lose in litigation and in reputational damage for it not to happen. Why? Because in our free market, customers have a choice and can easily choose something else.

For any of the nuts that don't think our food is safe, imagine this: on the next recall over some maybe problem, ship the food overseas and watch how fast probably half the world's population would love to have it. We'll never do a "shut the fuck up you leftist idiots" experiment like that, but it'd be fun if we did.

More government. Are the leftists really that stupid to think that's why food is safe?

[-] 0 points by lisaCobamarules (2) from New York, NY 2 years ago

Yes, good is safe in USA. I love Obama, too. He is strong warrior that is putting the beatdown on in Afghanistan and hope he gets attack on Iran started soon before the summer heat. If only I had two votes for our king I would gladly give them. Although I hear that Hilary is good warrior too. Glad she is Sec.of State to make good plans!

[-] -1 points by Kirby (104) 2 years ago

Grow your own and kiss the governments big brown eye goodbye! That's what we do. I KNOW what I eat.

[-] -1 points by Dell (-168) 2 years ago

The USDA is not for the benefit of the consumer - it is for the benefit of the food industry. Again - Protectionism & Crony Capitalism. Wake up!

[-] 2 points by HitGirl (2263) 2 years ago

Then why is the food industry pushing for the pilot program? Epiphany?

[-] -2 points by Dell (-168) 2 years ago

they want to eliminate the inspections? makes it easier for them.

[-] 0 points by JanitorInaDrum (134) 2 years ago

As much as I'd like to disagree with your speculation, I simply cannot.

This is very much like Congress going through the motions passing "laws" making insider trading illegal for them.

http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-12-01/politics/30462120_1_insider-trading-national-debate-statement

http://newsroom-magazine.com/2011/government-agencies/sec/sec-enforcement-chief-tells-senate-congress-not-exempt-from-insider-trading-law/

http://www.secactions.com/?p=3769

Clearly, it always has been and upon further examination, what they are really trying to do is legalize, for them and theirs, the most lucrative aspect of these criminal offenses through artful language.

Crooked traitors inhabit both sides of the aisle and dressed in both red and blue.

[-] 1 points by Anti385 (58) 2 years ago

You and your kind are not for the benefit of the consumer. All you do is drink the cum of the 1% like the lapdog you are. Why should we listen to you?

[-] -1 points by Dell (-168) 2 years ago

the USDA is not for the benefit of the consumer either. that's why they are repealing the inspection program. This proves my point perfectly. The USDA is there to protect the food industry interests not the consumer. That's your beloved government you people love so much.

[-] -2 points by Boric (3) 2 years ago

No I don't want my food inspected by anyone I did not ask to inspect my food, or any other part of my life.

[-] 2 points by HitGirl (2263) 2 years ago

What an idiotic comment. Please go live someplace where they really don't inspect the food.

[-] -1 points by Boric (3) 2 years ago

I should become an exile simply because I desire something different for myself than you do for you? That is the height of intolerance.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

No one is taking that way from you, as you can choose to grow your own.

[-] 1 points by HitGirl (2263) 2 years ago

You're right. Let me have a do-over: What an idiotic comment.

[-] 1 points by Anti385 (58) 2 years ago

You're free to go live in Somalia. I'm sure you will find much common grounds with the 'citizens' there. You won't be missed.

[-] 0 points by Boric (3) 2 years ago

Again - my preferences for my life in your mind equate with that I shouldn't live near you?

So we live in the land of the free where individual choice and liberty matter - except where they disagree with you?

This is no different than religious fundamentalists insisting gay people live as straight or otherwise be punished for refusing to live as those fundamentalists do.

Hardly a live and let live approach to community.

[-] 2 points by Anti385 (58) 2 years ago

Your preferences for life matches the characteristics of life in Somalia. Is it a surprise that I linked you to Somalia? It makes perfect sense after all.