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Forum Post: do you support this or not?

Posted 2 years ago on Dec. 25, 2011, 3:52 p.m. EST by zati321 (169)
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in the news today, the group Anonymous who so many of support and who claims OWS as part of their "movement" has now done even more to hurt america. this is only the internet, so how about some of you have some guts and tell me if you support this kind of thing or not. i would be particularly interested if any OWS women support "Anonymous" as my suspicion has been it's only the male geeks who do.

LONDON (AP) — Hackers on Sunday claimed to have stolen a raft of e-mails and credit card data from U.S.-based security think tank Stratfor, promising it was just the start of a weeklong Christmas-inspired assault on a long list of targets.

One alleged hacker said the goal was to use the credit data to steal a million dollars and give it away as Christmas donations, and images posted online claimed to show the receipts.

Members of the loose-knit hacking movement known as "Anonymous" posted a link on Twitter to what they said was Stratfor's tightly-guarded, confidential client list. Among those on the list: The U.S. Army, the U.S. Air Force and the Miami Police Department.

The rest of the list, which Anonymous said was a small slice of its 200 gigabytes worth of plunder, included banks, law enforcement agencies, defense contractors and technology firms such as Apple and Microsoft.

"Not so private and secret anymore?" the group taunted in a message on the microblogging site.

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[-] 2 points by forsale (11) 2 years ago

The western country's have fully controlled media, you can;t believe anything that comes thru it. Once a lier always a lier-
Its probably a distorted story to shape public opinion- The us population is so gullible- so easily conditioned to believe any shit they are fed by their corrupt government.

[-] 0 points by zati321 (169) 2 years ago

right! we're all brainwashed media zombies but YOU know the REAL truth, because of some website you visit right? tell me, where do you get "the truth" so us ignorant masses can reach your level of awareness, o great one? i mean, you're saying that every reporter at every newspaper, tv station, radio station everywhere in teh "western world" is part of this secret conspiracy that none of them have ever blown the whistle on, but that YOU know the truth? hmmmmm

[-] 1 points by forsale (11) 2 years ago

The western country's have fully controlled media, you can;t believe anything that comes thru it. Once a lier always a lier- Its probably a distorted story to shape public opinion- The us population is so gullible- so easily conditioned to believe any shit they are fed by their corrupt government.

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[-] 1 points by Rico (3027) 2 years ago

Theft is theft, and I don't support theft whether it's the poor doing it by smashing windows and taking things or by the rich 1% doing it through fraud.

[-] 1 points by FawkesNews (1290) 2 years ago

What is your problem with it?

[-] 1 points by kingscrossection (1203) 2 years ago

The fact that they are stealing money or aspired to do so.

[-] 1 points by FawkesNews (1290) 2 years ago

Stealing from a firm designed to provide security, for those who steal, seems to me to be the irony of justice at work. The recipients deserved it for sure. Whether you, I or anyone else agree, I see more of it in the future.

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[-] 1 points by Brandon37 (372) 2 years ago

They use the Guy Fawkes mask as their logo. Just an observation.....

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[-] 1 points by IslandActivist (191) from Keaau, HI 2 years ago

I think we should keep Anon and OWS separate. OWS likes the idea of Anon, but I doubt every single OWS member sees the point to Anon. I support Anon separately from OWS. After all, OWS wants a reformed democracy instead of a complete revolution.

[-] 0 points by bakerjohnj (121) 2 years ago

Have you never heard of Robin Hood?

[-] 1 points by zati321 (169) 2 years ago

have you ever heard of bin laden?

[-] 1 points by bakerjohnj (121) 2 years ago

I heard he was dead.

[-] 1 points by zati321 (169) 2 years ago

so is robin hood. fortunately for you, cyber terrorism is alive and well with your heroes "anonymous"

[-] 1 points by bakerjohnj (121) 2 years ago

Fortunately for us, there's ppl who still care about democracy.

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[-] 0 points by ARod1993 (2420) 2 years ago

That was technically brilliant and potentially incredibly stupid, depending on what exactly they stole. Theft and publication of e-mails detailing proprietary info? Not sure I mind that; a lot of the time "proprietary information," especially things related to national security, tends to be more about keeping potentially embarrassing and/or disquieting knowledge out of the public eye even though by rights investors and/or the public have a right to know.

The credit card data? That's another story. I'm not necessarily going to condemn involuntary donations by corporations to charities, but once you start stealing the information of ordinary employees you cross a line. Pulling money out of people's accounts to give to charity sounds like a nice idea, but a lot of people are living a lot tighter now due to the recession and don't really have that much to spend. If you've just spent someone's mortgage payment (even if it is on charity) then you may have just screwed them out of their house without justification and you owe them restitution.

That said, I don't believe that Occupy Wall Street should have any official affiliation with or endorsement of Anonymous, simply because they're a bunch of loose cannons. They have even less of a leadership or command infrastructure than we do, which means there is no way for us to make sure they don't cross the line between popping people's bubbles and actual criminal activity (e-mails are fine, credit card data is not) and I don't want our name tied to theirs when and if people start going after them for one stunt too many.

[-] 0 points by zati321 (169) 2 years ago

island, so you support both even though they have opposite goals? builder, well we DO know they claimed responsibility for shutting down the public transit system in the sf bay area and that they support leaking secret documents that hurt america. what do you think of that? should we have leaked to hitler the time and place for our normandy invasion too?...if the OWS continues to have this hippy dippy "acceptance" of "anything goes," aggressive domestic terrorist groups like anon, or the loud vocal obnoxious supporters of ron paul will claim this movement as their own in the media for political gain.

[-] 1 points by IslandActivist (191) from Keaau, HI 2 years ago

They are both actually similar. Both want a new government. It's just that OWS claims to be Arab Spring but is more of a passive movement that wants an amendment or bill to pass while Anon is closer to the Arab Spring but a digital version (did you see the end of Fight Club?). I am all for change, though I would prefer TVP (now I'll be labeled something) which Anon is closer to achieving. I think you should look into Anon more. And I mean the real Anon, not the 13 year olds.

[-] 0 points by zati321 (169) 2 years ago

i hope OWS doesnt become that. id like to see OWS, whose agenda is basically identical the democratic party's, actually realize that they should be to The Left what the tea party has so successfully been to The Right. the tea party, by working within the system, now has about 70 of their candidates in congress and have had a huge effect on public policy in the past year since they got in. meanwhile, the OWS are sitting in parks, praying that the cops will pepper spray, so they can claim to be "real revolutionaries" like the people in egypt. sorry, but this aint egypt: the military is NOT going to join the OWS.

[-] 1 points by IslandActivist (191) from Keaau, HI 2 years ago

See the problem is that OWS forgot to educate their protestors and the rest of the world as to why they are protesting and how the government has been screwing us over. That's the reason why TZM has been so successful. Now imagine if every OWS member knew the knowledge of TZM (they don't have to agree but just acknowledge the factual bits) as well as the corporate corruption OWS promotes (identical to Michael Moore) and then on top of that had Anon hack into corporations, cable, satellite, the interwebs and actually broadcasted all of this. Then to boot, shared exactly why all of the other countries are protesting including footage of them being peaceful but are then beaten down and how they have been doing this for years but have been censored by both their governments and our government (imagine what happens when SOPA is passed). Then we could actually get somewhere with our movement. I like to think of Anon's possible contribution similar to that 1990's movie Hackers, however it's really up to them and so far they seem willingly to help.

If OWS doesn't become serious like they say they are, then the movement will be crushed. While many people claim that S.1867 is for terrorists and won't affect 'good citizens' the fact remains that in time the government can simply get rid of protestors without having to worry about law breaking. There will be black outs, cover ups, and censorship and there won't be anything OWS can do at that point.

[-] 0 points by zati321 (169) 2 years ago

what's tzm?

[-] 1 points by IslandActivist (191) from Keaau, HI 2 years ago

Oh sorry, I forgot to put in what all the abbreviations mean. TZM is the Zeitgeist Movement by Peter Joseph and I think I mentioned TVP which is the Venus Project lead by Jacque Fresco. When I say lead, I mean more of generally agreeing with them. You should check them out but keep in mind all of it is factual.