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Posted 11 years ago on Jan. 4, 2012, 8:04 p.m. EST by starrucker (0)
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I understand that the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer thing is a big issue. I'm fully for that, I'm a middle-poor class citizen just starting out in the real world now. But if you guys really want to stop Wall Street and big business, what will you replace it with? The last I have seen, MANY different communist groups have supported Occupy Wall Street. Is that really what you guys are for? What else will you replace the capitalism system with? I honestly don't think this is the answer. Your "fist symbol" and the red color of Occupy extremely resembles the Socialist overrun of both Russia and China. Do you guys really understand what you are doing? In the terms of Vladimir Lenin you are "useful idiots." For example, the Communist Party of USA supports this, so does The American Nazi Party, Iran's Supreme Leader, the Govt of North Korea, the Communist Party of China, the list goes on. Do you realize what you guys are doing? Think. Please, this isn't a threat or a hate message. All I ask is that you guys stop and think and realize what you really are doing. Please. Thank you.



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[-] 2 points by beautifulworld (23706) 11 years ago

This movement is more about economic fairness than anything. The number one issue, in my mind, is getting money out of politics so that our government can work to promote the general welfare of the people as the Constitution says.

And, any talk of communism or socialism would not be the kind of totalitarian communism such as that in the Soviet Union or China. No country has really had communism in the pure sense of the word. Sounds silly, but read the wikipedia definition for clarity:


[-] 2 points by JohnMarsden (47) 11 years ago

There is no plan. This is why all left leaning movements are doomed to fail. Republicans have stupid ideas but at least they have ideas. The idea of a leaderless movement with no coherent goals is a continuation of the liberal idea to never take responsibility for anything. That way, you can never be criticized.

[-] 1 points by LSN45 (535) 11 years ago

There are a lot of improvements that need to be made. The list of reforms Americans want to see is long and varied depending on who you talk to. That said, I believe there is one reform that would provide the American people the best chances of seeing other meaningful reforms actually happen - that is REAL, loop-hope free CAMPAIGN FINANCE REFORM! I have seen others on this site calling this the "fulcrum" or pivotal issue. Right now the current legalized bribery, pay-to-play system of campaign donations and paid lobbyists has disenfranchised the American voter. Until this is fixed, any other reform the politicians may try to placate us with (be it a change to healthcare, clamping down predatory school loans, new financial regulations, etc.) will be about as effective as a farmer putting a new roof on his CHICKEN COOP, but still letting the FOX guard it.

We need to go back to the original political currency. Instead of the current system of who can collect the most money from corporations and special interests it should be who has the BEST IDEAS to EFFECTIVELY RUN THE COUNTRY (we don't need "Wealth Redistribution," what we need is "Political Influence Redistribution")!

For the sake of our children and future generations of Americans, we need to take back our democracy from the rich and powerful who are using their vast sums of money to "speak" as if they represent millions of Americans. This "Corporate Personhood" that has crept into our laws is allowing them to manipulating our policies in their favor at the expense of the average American (the recent "Citizens United" Supreme Court ruling is a miscarriage of justice and must be reversed. The $50 or $100 a normal American may give to a political campaign becomes meaningless when corporations or other special interests are handing our millions to buy political access to the decision making process.

For decades now the corporations and special interests have had our "representatives" bought and paid for (both on the right and the left). Concentrating our efforts on getting the money out of our politics is the best way we can create an environment in which further reforms can be realized. Until we end the current system of legalized bribery (campaign donations) and paid lobbying our politicians will continue to be the LAP DOGS of the corporations and special interests. What we need first and foremost is real, loop-hole free CAMPAIGN FINANCE REFORM!!!! If the corruption is not dealt with first, the chance of any other meaningful reforms becoming a reality is almost zero - the special interests will just use their money to buy votes and put forward bills that create loop-holes or otherwise twist the law in their favor. If we want our children to live in a country where there vote matters, we need to get the money out of our politics, otherwise they will increasingly become the 21st century version of the "landless peasant." Spread the word - End the LEGALIZED BRIBERY!!! CAMPAIGN FINANCE REFORM needs to be THE main goal of the protests!!!

[-] 1 points by IslandActivist (191) from Keaau, HI 11 years ago

OWS does not have a voice so no one can truthfully answer that since OWS would have to vote on that etc.

I would think all of these groups support OWS because they believe OWS is bringing a revolution - an overthrow of their government. Everyone knows about the war of communists and socialists versus market economies and democrats so it would stand to reason that the first want to influence OWS towards 'their' side.

OWS has never said they supported those movements, I mean is OWS supposed to stop protesting because apples that most people consider bad are supporting it? OWS should probably make a statement regarding this, but nothing is going on in order to get everyone moving. The OWS is quite the ironic example of why true democracies cannot work.

[-] 0 points by turak (-812) 11 years ago

idiot the OWS movement has no leaders get a fucking brain

[-] 0 points by kingscrossection (1203) 11 years ago

As to the second sentence, I'm not. The people on welfare need to get off their asses and work

[-] 1 points by IslandActivist (191) from Keaau, HI 11 years ago

Getting welfare is actually really hard to get. If they are on welfare, they are probably struggling and have put most of their work towards receiving welfare.

[-] 1 points by kingscrossection (1203) 11 years ago

Then work for work not handouts.

[-] 1 points by IslandActivist (191) from Keaau, HI 11 years ago

That's not exactly what I meant. There really is a wide misconception on welfare, welfare applies to everyone regardless of class. If you are receiving disability or social security than you are on welfare. One cannot simply have ten kids, quit their job, and get welfare. They might be eligible for temporary assistance until they get another job rolling but that would be too risky to do in my opinion.

[-] 1 points by JimBeam (152) 11 years ago

I recently read an article about a woman who lived in a 1.5 million dollar house who has been getting food stamps for 10 years?

[-] 1 points by kingscrossection (1203) 11 years ago

Yes but those are not what I was talking about. Sorry I should have clarified.