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Forum Post: Disgrace

Posted 11 years ago on Nov. 1, 2011, 7:24 p.m. EST by jbob (74)
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You people shouldn't be able to call yourselves Americans.



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[-] 2 points by PuerAeternus (22) from Tolleson, AZ 11 years ago

If you don't support peoples right to peaceful protest, then you are not an American, you are a disgrace.

[-] 2 points by thebeastchasingitstail (1912) 11 years ago

What a patriotic little fascist you are!

[-] 0 points by jbob (74) 11 years ago

because i love my country? you are really fuc*ed up.

[-] 1 points by thebeastchasingitstail (1912) 11 years ago

Do you love the Constitution & the Bill of Rights, too?

[-] 0 points by jbob (74) 11 years ago

yes that is what our country was based on. thats why we are the best country. the longest lasting constitution in the world. it almost speaks for itself. we are the best at everything.

[-] 1 points by HappyLove (143) 11 years ago

You can't even properly use your native language. There are non-native speakers who have better English than you, moron.

[-] 1 points by thebeastchasingitstail (1912) 11 years ago

Exactly. So that means everyone has the right to hold different views and to express those views, even if they don't agree with your views and even if they are criticizing the government or the existing systems.

It doesn't say anywhere that they lose their citizenship or don't get to call themselves American for criticizing or wanting things to be different.

[-] 0 points by jbob (74) 11 years ago

when you criticize america and the american dream like this you dont get to call yourself an american.

[-] 2 points by thebeastchasingitstail (1912) 11 years ago

Only in your world, little fascist, not in the world of reality.

[-] 1 points by dngaling (2) 11 years ago

my ancestor is john adams, and the other side of my family came over on a boat -- the arabella, right after the mayflower

[-] 1 points by HappyLove (143) 11 years ago

Lol, but thanks for adding to our visitor count, jbob, wherever you're from.

[-] 1 points by enough (587) 11 years ago

The stultifying ignorance of your comment is an embarrassment. The people of #OWS and other groups like them who stand up to injustice are the salt of the earth who made America the great country that it is. The right of self-expression is a bedrock American principle that extends to all Americans, even misguided individuals like yourself.

[-] 1 points by Vooter (441) 11 years ago

LOL! Tiocfaidh ar la, little man...

[-] 1 points by OneVoice (153) 11 years ago

Meltdown in aisle 3. Mop and bucket brigade for the crybaby.

[-] -1 points by jbob (74) 11 years ago

yeah im pissed that you are ruining america. unlike you im a real american and i actually care what happens to this country.

[-] 3 points by OneVoice (153) 11 years ago

A real American? I didn't destroy affordable housing. I didn't destroy affordable health care. I didn't support giving tax incentives to corporations while they were shipping manufacturing jobs oversees. I didn't rig Bonding agencies so that I could market worthless securities. I didn't make risky gambles and then have the government clear up all my debt. I purchased my own car at age 17 and put it under my own insurance. I've seen affordable health care and affordable housing. It truly is a shame that you have no clue what ruined America.

[-] 0 points by jbob (74) 11 years ago

free healthcare is unmaerican.

[-] 2 points by OneVoice (153) 11 years ago

Inmates get free healthcare. In fact, inmates have better health care plans than most working people. I do know that some working people died because they couldn't afford health care. This is the America that you are proud of. I don't mind you going off on tangents. Just admit you don't have a clue what being an American means

[-] 1 points by ModestCapitalist (2342) 11 years ago

MIAMI (CBSMiami.com) – Florida is touting the new jobs it created Friday after a positive unemployment report. But based on numbers from all W-2’s filed in the country, the wages simply aren’t keeping up.

According to the Social Security Administration, 50 percent of U.S. workers made less than $26,364 in 2010. In addition, those making less than $200,000, or 99 percent of Americans, saw their earnings fall by $4.5 billion collectively.

The sobering numbers were a far cry from what was going on for the richest one percent of Americans.

The incomes of the top one percent of the wage scale in the U.S. rose in 2010; and their collective wage earnings jumped by $120 billion.

In addition, those earning at least $1 million a year in wages, which is roughly 93,000 Americans, reported payroll income jumped 22 percent from 2009.

Overall, the economy has shed 5.2 million jobs since the start of the Great Recession in 2007. It’s the worst economic downturn since the Great Depression in the 1930’s.

Another word about the first Great Depression. It really was a perfect storm. Caused almost entirely by greed. First, there was unprecedented economic growth. There was a massive building spree. There was a growing sense of optimism and materialism. There was a growing obsession for celebrities. The American people became spoiled, foolish, naive, brainwashed, and love-sick. They were bombarded with ads for one product or service after another. Encouraged to spend all of their money as if it were going out of style. Obscene profits were hoarded at the top. All of this represented a MASSIVE transfer of wealth from poor to rich. Executives, entrepreneurs, developers, celebrities, and share holders. By 1929, America's wealthiest 1 percent had accumulated around 40% of all United States wealth. The upper class held around 30%. The middle and lower classes were left to share the rest. When the majority finally ran low on money to spend, profits declined and the stock market crashed. Of course, the rich threw a fit and started cutting jobs. They would stop at nothing to maintain their disgusting profit margins and ill-gotten obscene levels of wealth as long as possible. The small business owners did what they felt necessary to survive. They cut more jobs. The losses were felt primarily by the little guy. This created a domino effect. The middle class shrunk drastically and the lower class expanded. With less wealth in reserve and active circulation, banks failed by the hundreds. More jobs were cut. Unemployment reached 25% in 1933. The worst year of the Great Depression. Those who were employed had to settle for much lower wages. Millions went cold and hungry. The recovery involved a massive infusion of new currency, a World War, and higher taxes on the rich. With so many men in the service, so many women on the production line, and those higher taxes to help pay for it, the lions share of United States wealth was gradually transfered back to the middle class. This redistribution of wealth continued until the mid seventies. This was the recovery. A massive redistribution of wealth. 

Then it began to concentrate all over again. Here we are 35 years later. The richest one percent now own well over 40 percent of all US wealth. The lower 90 percent own less than 10 percent of all US wealth. This is true even after taxes, welfare, financial aid, and charity. It is the underlying cause.   No redistribution. No recovery.

The government won't step in and do what's necessary. Not this time. It's up to us. Support small business more and big business less. Support the little guy more and the big guy less. It's tricky but not impossible.

No redistribution. No recovery.

[-] 2 points by yasminec001 (584) 11 years ago

WHOOOOOH damn. That was incredibly well written, and might I say I more than agree with this. I just don't get how people don't want a redistribution of wealth in a fair and equal form. Why can't we look to the best interest of every individual? This SHOULD be the best interest of a nation.

I mean, my God, the greed has literally turned this world inside out. Natural Cycles are reversing. Ecosystems are being destroyed. Our once-easily replenishable natural resources are devastatingly close to being wiped out for good, and there are NOT ENOUGH TREES to absorb the carbon monoxide in the atmosphere. And there is more than enough chemicals being poured into our oceans, lakes, rivers, and ground.

When will the madness stop? When will it be enough? When will people wake up from their comfort zone and say ENOUGH. People are so scared to change, they are so scared of anything that means the common interest of every species on our world. It will be difficult and will take time, but this change is needed, people. If you all just want to shield your eyes and wait until others do it, then you have no one to blame your misfortunes on except yourself.

[-] -1 points by l31sh0p (279) from Sand Fork, WV 11 years ago

Redistribution = socialism

[-] 1 points by ModestCapitalist (2342) 11 years ago

No it doesn't.

[-] 0 points by jbob (74) 11 years ago

yeah it does

[-] 1 points by ModestCapitalist (2342) 11 years ago

Ok. Time for school.

Socialism: A system of economics in which the community as a whole, and not individuals, control and own all property.

I won't bother with the extended definitions. They are derived from this.

If there is a name on the deed, it's not socialism.

[-] 0 points by jbob (74) 11 years ago

Redistribution of wealth is the transfer of income, wealth or property from some individuals to others caused by a social mechanism such as taxation, monetary policies, welfare, nationalization, charity, divorce or tort law.[1] Most often it refers to progressive redistribution, from the rich to the poor, although it may also refer to regressive redistribution, from the poor to the rich. The desirability and effects of redistribution are actively debated on ethical and economic grounds.

sound awfull similar

[-] 1 points by JesseHeffran (3903) 11 years ago

Article. I. Section. 8.

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

Article. IV. Section. 3.

New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new State shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or Parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress.

The Congress shall have Power to dispose of and make all needful Rules and Regulations respecting the Territory or other Property belonging to the United States; and nothing in this Constitution shall be so construed as to Prejudice any Claims of the United States, or of any particular State.

[-] 1 points by ModestCapitalist (2342) 11 years ago

If the transfer is from one individual to another, it's not socialism.

If there is a name on the deed, it's not socialism.

[-] 0 points by jbob (74) 11 years ago

you're an idiot

[-] 1 points by ModestCapitalist (2342) 11 years ago

I'm not the one confusing redistribution with socialism.

[-] 1 points by ModestCapitalist (2342) 11 years ago

God damn it. You die hard winner take all bloodthirsty capitalists and filthy rich pigs absolutely refuse to understand the following: First, that record high charges in health care, energy, and finance also mean record high profits and record high dividends. 1/2 of which are paid to the richest one percent. This causes more hardship and more concentration of wealth. At the same time, more financial aid in the form of welfare, Medicare, and Medicaid becomes necessary. Especially with those record high charges and profits. As even more wealth is concentrated, the lower majority go into debt and lose their relative buying power. This results in less demand, layoffs, and higher unemployment. This results in even more legitimate need for financial aid, a slower economy, less revenue, and higher national debt. It's a downward cycle tied directly to the relentless concentration of wealth.

I'm not making excuses for those who sit on the couch, make no attempt to find work, and sponge off the government. I'm not calling for a welfare state. But God damn it. You die hard conservatives and filthy rich pigs need to stop being such cowards, open your god damn eyes, and finally admit that there is a downside as more and more wealth becomes concentrated.

The richest one percent now own well over 40 percent of all United States wealth. The lower 90 percent now own less than 10 percent of all United States wealth. This is true even after you account for all taxes, charity, and financial aid. This equation becomes more obscene when you account for nearly two trillion in consumer debt which is owed primarily by the lower 90 percent. Mark my words: this equation will get worse.


A word for my critics:  I'm no expert but I'm no fool. I predicted this socio-economic crisis in writing 6 years ago. I'm aware of all the conservative and liberal talking points. Of course, I hate politicians. But I don't hate liberals or conservatives. I agree with both on some issues. For example: I agree that we need an adequate safety net for those in need. Not for those who sit on the couch and watch TV.I  agree with tax cuts for small business. But not for Wall Street and not for those making $500,000 and up. A heavy concentration of wealth is what got us here. A gradual and partial redistribution of wealth is vital.

 I don't want socialism, communism, or marxism. I want modest capitalism. A reasonable scale of income opportunity for all those willing and able to work. An adequate safety net for those in need. 

A word for the rich: I have received quite a bit of negative feedback from you one percent club pigs. I must be doing something right. After all, you took time away from your money bath just for me. You might want to check your ass crack for soggy bills. In the meantime, let me just say this for the record: 

You can't intimidate me. You can't embarrass me. You can't make me feel uneducated, unintelligent, or otherwise insignificant. You can't confuse me. You can't divert my attention. You can't exhaust me and you sure as hell can't break my will. I know I'm getting to you because you're here with another lame psychological trick. You're here in an attempt to shut me up. It won't work. I've had it with all of you.  

I won't break any laws. I would never discredit the cause with a criminal act. But I'm telling you right now that I'm virtually impossible to stop. It's a big world and I have a lot to say. If you want to break my will, you're going to have to break my neck first. 

If you pull a stunt like that, a lot of people will know what happened to me and why. 

Now get out of my face. I have work to do.

[-] 1 points by buphiloman (840) 11 years ago

Epic. ModestCapitalist, I'm proud to say, you're a credit to the human race. I'm a radical socialist, but I am your brother. thanks for this great response.

[-] -1 points by jbob (74) 11 years ago

are you an american?

[-] 2 points by buphiloman (840) 11 years ago

I was born in the United States and I live in the United States, I am a citizen in good standing of the United States. I'm human. I would not necessarily call myself "an American" though. Too many implicit connotations.

[-] 0 points by jbob (74) 11 years ago

so shut the fuck up you ungrateful fuck.

[-] 2 points by buphiloman (840) 11 years ago

Wow...your parents must be proud they raised such intelligent, articulate, humane, and compassionate FauxBot.

By the way, humanity will exist long after the the United States has collapsed into rubble. So I side with humanity. Not artificial constructs of power like nation-states. I take the long view. While you cling to a pathetic and myopic fetishism.

I'd laugh at you, if it were funny how they have brainwashed you. But it isn't. Not. One. Bit.

[-] 0 points by jbob (74) 11 years ago

first off you had that saved on your computer good job. so goo job you lazy ass wouldnt expect any less from you people. AND FOR YOUR CAPITALIZED LETTERS. there is no way there should be a cap on how much money you make, that sounds an awful lot like uhhhhhmmm comminusm or hmmmm marxism two things you said you didnt want so before you make your next word document make sure you look up some vocab.

[-] 2 points by ModestCapitalist (2342) 11 years ago

No. You need to look them up. I know damn well what those words mean. There are very specific elements to all three. I'm not a Marxist, Communist, or Socialist. I'm a modest capitalist. But that doesn't sound radical enough does it? That's why you people insist on calling me the other three.

You need to look them up. Not me.

[-] 0 points by jbob (74) 11 years ago

you described that there should be a cap on wealth? thats basically saying it yourself you commie.

[-] 1 points by ModestCapitalist (2342) 11 years ago

Newsflash: Thats not communism.

[-] 0 points by jbob (74) 11 years ago

it sounds like the government would have to regulate that? soooooooo comunism.

[-] 1 points by ModestCapitalist (2342) 11 years ago

Nope. Not communism.

[-] 0 points by jbob (74) 11 years ago

good counter.

[-] 1 points by ModestCapitalist (2342) 11 years ago

Communism is a system in which the community as a whole owns all means of production. That's not what I want. I want a relatively free market with reasonable caps on profit and net worth. Or a very progressive tax structure which prevents a heavy concentration of wealth.

That's not communism.

[-] 0 points by jbob (74) 11 years ago

CAP ON PROFIT. im not arguing with you anymore on this. if i work my ass to get where i am there is no reason why i should be able to make all the money i want. you need to look up the definition of the american dream.

[-] 1 points by ModestCapitalist (2342) 11 years ago

"if I work my ass to get where i am there is no reason why i should be able to make all the money i want."

Can you rephrase this into some form that makes sense? Then I'll respond.

[-] 0 points by nikka (228) 11 years ago

What people? The illegals? I think they aren't already.