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Forum Post: Disarm our greatest opponent - GREED

Posted 6 years ago on Feb. 23, 2012, 8:35 a.m. EST by bensdad (8977)
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Virtually everything we want hinges on disarming our opponent –
by stopping the flood of bribes into our government.

This is the first REAL step to REAL change .

Join the NYC OWS…………….. (even if you are not near NYC )
Corporations are not People and Money is not Speech Working Group

regular meetings Wednesdays 6-8PM @ 60 Wall St – The Attrium

check out our comprehensive analysis of
the 17 existing proposed amendments
and our detailed historical timeline of corporate personhood

Are you ready
......................TO JOIN 83% OF YOUR FELLOW AMERICANS ?

We must not
……DEMAND that we WANT THEM.to give to US
We must

Because of the Supreme Court's decision,
we cannot accomplish anything significant, without FIRST -

Overturning Citizens United !!!
Ending Corporate Personhood !!!

83% of Americans already agree on it
as stated in the ABC/Washington Post poll

In the the PFAW Poll -
85% of voters say that corporations have too much influence over the political system today.
77% think Congress should support an amendment to limit the amount corporations can spend on elections.
74% say that they would be more likely to vote for a candidate for Congress who pledged to support a Constitutional Amendment limiting corporate spending in elections.

Our primary goal should be to pass a constitutional amendment to counter the Supreme Court decision Citizens United (2010) , that enables unlimited amounts of anonymous money to flood into our political system.
We don’t have to explain or persuade people to accept our position – we only have to persuade them to ACT based on their own position. Pursuing this goal will prove to the world that we, at OWS, are a serious realistic Movement, with serious realistic goals. Achieving this goal will make virtually every other goal – jobs, taxes, infrastructure, Medicare – much easier to achieve – by disarming our greatest enemy –



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[-] 2 points by GypsyKing (8719) 6 years ago

Great Post! Things are really starting to SHAKE again!!!

[-] 1 points by francismjenkins (3713) 6 years ago

I missed last weeks meeting (living in the Hudson Valley sucks, can't wait to move to the city next month, it's hard to get in the loop from 2 hours away), but anyway, yeah, convincing people of the merits of this position is obviously not difficult (as indicated by the poll you cite). SCOTUS is reviewing a Montana Supreme Court decision, and it's possible that Citizens United could be narrowed or even overturned (although I'm inclined to doubt it).

I've spent a bit of time researching this issue, and I'm personally convinced that the Sanders amendment is the best one out there. It reaches much further than SJ Res. 29, and if the Court upholds CU in the Montana case, then I think we can fairly assume the legislative road is a dead end. It's not that one is directly applicable to the other, but if the Court strikes down the Montana law, then it becomes pretty clear that an amendment will be necessary (and working for anything else is probably just a waste of time and valuable effort).

I have a law degree, but I'm far from a Constitutional scholar, so maybe I'm wrong in my assumption that legislation would be futile, but unfortunately I see nothing to suggest otherwise.

[-] 1 points by bigbangbilly (594) 6 years ago

Read my whole post before you reply to this post Greed is part of human nature. This will be a very difficult. Too much greed, you make enemies. Sometimes greed is like a cruel master.

[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 6 years ago

I agree greed is part of human nature. It is human nature to steal you neighbor's stuff if you want it
That is why we intelligent animals have spent centuries devising ways to moderate human behavior. We did the same thing with corporate behavior, but just like the Germans slept while Hitler worked his magic, we slept while corporations did what they always do.
Historically, you could say it goes back to lewis powell, or to ronnie tricklling on us. It does not matter.

TODAY -The vast majority of Americans want to regulate or abolish big money in politics. Help AMERICANS get what they want.

Corporations are not People and Money is not Speech Working Group
regular meetings Wednesdays 6-8PM @ 60 Wall St – The Attrium

[-] 0 points by toonces (-117) 6 years ago

Who is the greedy one here? Those that earned the money and want to spend it in the way they see fit, or you, for wanting to TAKE their money from them?

[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 6 years ago

The greedy are the ones who have used their money to exploit our political system to make themselves richer.
I hope that helps you figure it out.

[-] 0 points by toonces (-117) 6 years ago

Of course, not the person that wants to TAKE the money from them....

I get it!... As long as the money is taken from someone you disagree with and given to you, the person you disagree with is the greedy one and you,the person who TAKES the money from them, is the generous and charitable one.

[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 6 years ago

You keep talking about "taking" money
Are you a pro ?
or are you just an Rs ?