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Forum Post: Goldman Sachs 2012

Posted 6 years ago on June 3, 2012, 6:22 p.m. EST by TrevorMnemonic (5827)
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George Bush - Patriot Act, Abuse of AUMF, Black Water, Attacked Nations That Did Not Attack Us, Wall Street Bailouts, use of torture.

Barack Obama - Patriot Act, Abuse of AUMF, International Development Solutions (formerly Black Water), Attacked Nations that Did Not Attack us, Wall Street Bailouts, Indefinite detention laws that apply to American citizens, and assassination of American citizens in Yemen without providing any evidence of their crimes or the authority to kill them.

Romney supports all of the above and says corporations are people.

I am so disappointed in my fellow Americans for choosing such terrible leaders year after year. I don't care which is worse, they're all terrible.

People need to get their heads in the game and pay attention to voting records in the primaries. Talking points you see from politicians on tv mean nothing. They are often distortion and manipulation. Every year a better option has ran and no one chooses them in the primaries.

Apparently congress's approval rating hitting 9% wasn't enough to get people to vote out every single incumbent for failing at their jobs either.



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[-] 2 points by riethc (1149) 6 years ago

Good post. I like the title.

[-] -2 points by RealityTime (-224) 6 years ago

Germany didn't attack us.

[-] 3 points by PeterKropotkin (1050) from Oakland, CA 6 years ago

No but they did declare war on us after pearl harbor

[-] -2 points by RealityTime (-224) 6 years ago

Sure, but that's just a threat. We're not supposed to attack any nation until they attack us.

[-] 2 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 6 years ago

You're leaving out large portions of history that lead the US to join in World War 2

None of these countries we're bombing and invading have done remotely what Germany and it's allies had done in WWII

You also completely missed the point of my post.

[-] -1 points by RealityTime (-224) 6 years ago

And the scale of our war effort in Iraq was nothing like our war effort in WWII. I'm not sure what other nations you're talking about.

Your "point" is hyperventilating nonsense. An attack in a nation targeting threats isn't attacking a nation, it's attacking specific people. Just a little something to consider when you're in the mood for exaggeration.

[-] 1 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 6 years ago

Whatever you need to tell yourself

[-] -2 points by RealityTime (-224) 6 years ago

So is this of nations were supposedly attacking.

[-] 0 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 6 years ago

Explain the massive number of civilians deaths from sanctions and bombs from the 1990's to today. Since the 90's the number is over 1 million.

If the government were just taking out the bad guys, I wouldn't be pissed about bullshit like Black Water. But the fact is what the government has done in these countries is counterproductive to the mission they explain to the people. And it wastes our tax dollars.

[-] -1 points by RealityTime (-224) 6 years ago

Sure you would. You'd just find some other reason that we're the world's bad guys. That's just what your kind does.

[-] 1 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 6 years ago

So you think the government is perfect and never does anything wrong?

Murder is wrong. The number is accurate. Confirmed 500,000+ children in the 1990's from US supported sanctions. 130,000 more civilian in the war... some numbers estimate much much higher. And that's just Iraq.

Madeline Albright on 60 minutes - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbIX1CP9qr4

Numbers don't lie. It's time to end these damn wars and stop supporting sanctions that hurt civilians more than the dictator. We need to put our tax dollars to work in our country. We have bridges collapsing in our country. There's no excuse for that.

I love our country and our citizens... but I don't approve of what the politicians do with our tax dollars.

[-] -1 points by RealityTime (-224) 6 years ago

Numbers don't lie, true. But propagandists like you do and those with an axe have little trouble making them up or wildly exaggerating and not using the correct numbers.

[-] 1 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 6 years ago

what lie have i told? What numbers are not accurate? What proof do you have to back your claims.

In Iraq alone from the sanctions in the 90's - Estimates of excess civilian deaths during the sanctions vary widely, but range from 170,000 to over 1.5 million.

That's just from the sanctions put on Iraq in the 90's. There's still all the wars and bombs to include and other countries.

even if the civilian death toll is 300,000 in Iraq, assuming both small numbers from the wars and sanctions, instead of the larger, THAT'S TOO DAMN HIGH. And that's counterproductive to our goals outlined by our politicians waging these wars.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 6 years ago

everyone should get a receipt of how they voted

[-] -1 points by RealityTime (-224) 6 years ago

The numbers are made up and the causation is simplistic and vastly overstated. It also says nothing about the alternatives of doing nothing. But it's fits the anti-US narrative and, of course, that's the point. Slapping a number on it doesn't create credibility because it's a number.

[-] 1 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 6 years ago

And you don't know how to use facts to back your claim.

I'm not anti-US. I love my country. I just want the government to stop using my tax dollars on wars that kill too many civilians.

Wiki sources out all the info - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_sanctions#Infant_and_child_death_rates

60 minutes and more - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2irN1G5HiRo