Forum Post: Direct Democracy - Rally Here
Posted 12 years ago on Nov. 3, 2011, 12:21 a.m. EST by UPonLocal
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Who wants to help develop a Direct Democracy online voting system with paper ballot receipt ?
Yes folks, armed with Direct Democracy and the Trivium, you can crush or make use of ANY Troll AND it's support organization.
Trolls are naturally intellectually ball-less creatures, and easy to identify and zap intellectually when you have Logical Fallacy Radar and Guidance system.
The Trivium..taught to generations of scholars over centuries..Supreme Court Judges know it, and you should too!
Don't get dragged down by an idiot trolls arguments again:
get Radar and Guidance here
http://uponlocal.com/up-on-local-media/content/logical-fallacies-trivium
Hey, where did all the Trolls run off to?
Troll Killer = Direct Democracy
Much is in the works:
http://zelea.com/project/votorola/home.xht
http://metagovernment.org/wiki/Main_Page
http://metapolitik.org/blog/occupy-hackathons-produce-digital-tools
http://metapolitik.org/blog/vrdb
http://metapolitik.org/content/about
http://mashable.com/2011/10/19/occupy-wall-street-hackathons-2/
http://mashable.com/2011/10/14/occupy-wall-street-hackathons/
http://occupydesign.org/
http://www.allourideas.org/
http://digital-democracy.org/
http://www.nycga.net/
The Direct Democracy software used at UPonLocal
www.uponlocal.com is created on stock (un-modified) Drupal.
Drupal is a well developed system that has a community of developers creating constant security updates.
Security updates are issued automatically from Drupal.org, and site operators are required to perform upgrades to stay current.
In 2009, whitehouse.gov was rebuilt in Drupal - it is that robust
Yes folks, every-time whitehouse.gov webmaster gets a security update..we get it too.
Direct Democracy is secure and ready to lead America
Troll Killer = Direct Democracy
Drupal kicks major ass
Robust, stable, secure, free and flexible.
No. Let's not .... But just say we did.
How bout you RicoSuave, you give up being a Troll?
why not,
Point form please,
or are you only paid enough pennies per post to have time to negate things,
Direct Democracy is insanity. It's even more insane over an insecure system like the internet.
It is a juvenile and childish idea. Put your energy into something more practical.
We live in a republic. Go pick candidates for office and work to get them elected.
A Republic that we are raised from birth to believe is "Democratic" - even though we all know better.
Our republic was NEVER democratic. Where did you get that idea?
We have democratic "principles" in our society. Our republic was never democratic.
We live in a Constitutional Representative Republic.
Let me guess ... You attended public school right?
I did not say that "our republic [was] democratic."
On the contrary, I said: "we all know better"
Don't put words in my mouth.
Anyway, this does not change the fact that the education system and the media propaganda mill continuously pump the idea that we live in a "Democracy". Telling us every chance they get how "Democratic" our society is.
In answer to you question (not that it's any of your business), I have attended both private and public schools. In fact, I was able to gain admittance to some of the best charter schools in the country based on my high test scores and my extensive graphic arts abilities.
I can tell you from experience that the education that I received form those charter public schools far exceeded - in both quality and scope - anything offered by their "private" rivals.
You are right that the media does constantly call our form of government "democracy". I rarely if ever hear the words 'republic'. Never 'representative republic'.
Charter schools are usually better than their local public school counterparts, so you were lucky in that aspect.
Don't get sucked into a moronic idea of direct democracy or true democracy or anything along those lines. Democracy is rule of the mob. You never want to live in a society governed by mob rule.
On the contrary:
"Mob Rule" is more accurately described as "Ochlocracy" ...A pejorative term used since ancient times to describe what you are talking about:
Ochlocracy (Greek: οχλοκρατία or okhlokratía; Latin: ochlocratia) or mob rule is government by mob or a mass of people, or the intimidation of legitimate authorities. As a pejorative for majoritism, it is akin to the Latin phrase mobile vulgus meaning "the fickle crowd", from which the English term "mob" was originally derived in the 1680s.
Ochlocracy ("rule of the general populace") is democracy ("rule of the people") spoiled by demagoguery, "tyranny of the majority" and the rule of passion over reason, just like oligocracy ("rule of a few") is aristocracy ("rule of the best") spoiled by corruption. Ochlocracy is synonymous in meaning and usage to the modern, informal term "Mobocracy," which emerged from a much more recent colloquial etymology.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ochlocracy
Direct Democracy:
Direct democracy is a form of government in which people collectively make decisions for themselves, rather than having their political affairs decided by representatives. Direct democracy is classically termed "pure democracy". Depending on the particular system in use, it might entail passing executive motions, making laws, electing or dismissing officials and conducting trials. Representative democracy stands in contrast to the direct form in that the represented can only act indirectly with decisive authority vested in a subset of people.
Many countries that are representative democracies allow for three forms of political action that provide limited direct democracy: referendum (plebiscite), initiative, and recall. Referendums can include the ability to hold a binding referendum on whether a given law should be rejected. This effectively grants the populace which holds suffrage a veto on government legislation. Initiatives, usually put forward by the populace, force the consideration of laws or amendments (usually by a subsequent referendum), without the consent of the elected officials, or even in opposition to the will of said officials. Recalls give people the right to remove elected officials from office before the end of their term, although this is very rare in modern democracies.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_democracy
http://www.historyguide.org/ancient/lecture6b.html
http://www.basiclaw.net/Principles/Direct%20democracy.htm
The point of your post was what? To argue different definitions of terminology?
You need to be realistic if you want to be a part of a movement. Hitching your wagon to something like direct democracy in a country of 310 million people is not only undesirable but on practical terms impossible.
It might work in the little "Lord of the Flies" encampments that the OWS has setup in various cities, but it will always be resoundingly rejected by the public of a nation.
If this is your thing, bring it up to your Senators and Congressman. See if they will be as kind to the idea as I have been.
You need to focus your energy on more practical items.
I'm out. It's getting late. I need to crawl into my tent and go to sleep.
Like it or not:
Direct Democracy is what you are seeing at General Assemblies around the country and it seems to be working pretty well.
Not to mention the dozens of digital versions that are cropping up as this idea gains in popularity:
http://zelea.com/project/votorola/home.xht
http://metagovernment.org/wiki/Main_Page
http://metapolitik.org/blog/occupy-hackathons-produce-digital-tools
http://metapolitik.org/blog/vrdb
http://metapolitik.org/content/about
http://mashable.com/2011/10/19/occupy-wall-street-hackathons-2/
http://mashable.com/2011/10/14/occupy-wall-street-hackathons/
http://occupydesign.org/
http://www.allourideas.org/
http://digital-democracy.org/
http://www.nycga.net/
http://uponlocal.com/
Personally... I support it.
Thats your best huh...
Insanity - Appeal to the Absurd
Internet - I can wire tens of thousands weekly, but cannot vote says you huh
Childish - Appeal to the ridiculous
Go Pick - Appeal to Tradiion and Status Quo, ignoring the current departure from the forefathers who hated the Party system.
Hey everyone, Id another paid troll RicoSuave maybe a worn out ol operator from the bay of pigs..workin for pennies now
Direct democracy is an insane concept. It's also childish.
It's completely childish shit like this that makes OWS people look like loons and the farthest thing from anything regarding serious political or governmental issues.
Rant about it all you want. If I had my way ... you would be on every single news program in this country talking about this as the face of OWS.
You keep saying this, but you refuse to even attempt to back it up with any evidence or supporting documents.
Why is that?
Hey, RicoSuave
Can you elaborate on why it is childish, not everyone here is going to agree with your logical fallacy of " Appeal to Authority"
Or did they not teach you that when they trained ya.
wow, you lose it easy RicoSuave
I'm not the one who has lost anything.
If you think something as ridiculous and absurd as "direct democracy" is a viable option for society, you never had anything in the first place to lose.
UPonLocal .... How old are you?
Wow, you just cannot stop it with the False Arguments can you..
Folks, I think we just exposed a guy who cannot think clearly...
They belittled him in training and so he does it to control others like they got him controlled.
And he asks personal questions like an Authority.
Troll Killer = Direct Democracy
I think it's a great idea.
Like a General Assembly, but online.
From your answers, it is safe to say you are a young kid. I already knew that just from the idea itself. But, since you are a kid, I really should have given you much more latitude. You haven't yet experienced how the real world works.
If you think the ridiculous and absurd direct democracy thing is the way to go, more power to you. Go for it.
I would like to see you on every single news and political TV show talking about it, promoting it, and defending it.
That would be a stellar moment in the OWS movement.
You have my every blessing moving forward as not only a representative of the OWS movement, but actually it's intellectual core.
Good Luck.
RicoSuave you idiot,
I am a middle aged Frogman, I was in Van and knew about Kalle when I was 20 in 87, they were paintin up billboards then.
I knew what Navy knew about Heroin being imported there and courtesy info to the RCMP ignored.
Your one of those scumbag agency weasels.
If Hong Kong were still alive, he would rip you a new one, an slap your lips with a flipper.
Time's have changed..so, I will just continue to mock you.
It's even more disturbing thinking this stuff is coming from a middle aged man.
I'm an "agency weasel"? Hmmm ... Yeah right. Whatever you say. Have you discussed this with Nurse Ratched?
What exactly were your dealings with "the agency"
New and exciting ways that brain washed spooks can get their issues dealt with from RicoSuave?
http://uponlocal.com/up-on-local-media/node/add/issue
Any suggestions on how to do it right the first time from RicoSuave?
http://uponlocal.com/up-on-local-media/node/add/solutions
Ok, we know your a weasel, and a troll with not a lot of intellectual depth.......as you first drop in with attempts to infuriate... what outfit is still a question..
RicoSuave for Direct Democracy President ?
http://uponlocal.com/up-on-local-media/node/add/candidate
We have an excellent voting system in place already in the country. You're upset because you voted for Hope and Change instead of jobs and prosperity for all.
Hey Todd,
you give up that easy...what outfit trained you to quit so easy...
You should be fired as a Troll
Yeah, because Bush gave jobs and prosperity for all.
How blind you are.
I gather you support voter disenfranchisement in 13 states. The justice department is going after the bastards.
Oh I guess you forgot about the hanging chad or the fact that thousands of Florida voters were disenfranchised thus giving us 8 years of Bush.
Excellent system......
are you aware the 2004 Ohio Election was rigged according to Court Findings?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aub0bQqezm0
So no, a clear no to that false claim. We have a very dysfunctional voting system
Next
Ahh, an assumptive person. I am a registered Independant.
you are a
a. trouble maker?
b. someone who has no education in the Trivium or Logical Fallacies?
c. person unable to use polite speech, in public ,during political discourse?
I was fully educated in the Trivium. It was taught by a Tribble.
uhh ya..like dumbing down the conversation too ...
one of those highly educated types hey..been to debate class...?