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Forum Post: Direct Democracy in the UK

Posted 8 years ago on June 4, 2012, 2:51 p.m. EST by LeoYo (5909)
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Direct Democracy in the UK http://www.paparty.co.uk/

Should the UK people choose to invoke UN Article 21 to legitimately reform to direct democracy now without revolution or, should the People's Administration win the next UK general election, a new administration will be formed instead of a new government. All party manifestos will be merged into an on-line database and the people will become the decision-makers regarding all policy implementation [including their own] via a national on-line voting system. Majority-voted policy will then be implemented by a reformed Parliament under the People's Administration and so through direct democracy, the people will govern the people.

With direct democracy via web and telephony, [mis]representation by Parliament is no longer required!

In 2011, Iceland became the world's first direct democracy!

With direct democracy and without centralised decision-making, the politicians, the media, the religions, the non-elected lords and consultants, the corporates, the banks and hidden organisations of any nature can not manipulate the power any longer, as the power will be with every individual.

Whilst we have the ability to make choices, we are free and we have power. With our existing freedom, we have chosen to empower others and we have got what we voted for. Now we can use our freedom to vote for self-empowerment via direct democracy.

It would be far more strategic, efficient and democratic for any current single-issue/minority protest group to vote for a reform to direct democracy now, than it would be to continue with indirect action.

We are musicians and political activists [not politicians] who have registered the People's Administration with the Electoral Commission as a mainstream UK party with the ability and the architecture to implement a reform to direct democracy - should the majority vote for direct democracy now or in the next UK general election.

Direct Democracy has already been proven successful:

We've been using direct democracy for years to decide the winners of TV programs such as The X Factor, Britain's Got Talent, Dancing on Ice and Big Brother etc. We do this every week by web and telephone and we do it at vast expense in both time and money.

Using direct democracy to decide upon every aspect of our lives as well as how we affect others around the world, will cost us no additional money and, substantially less time than we spend voting merely upon issues of entertainment.

Direct Democracy via the People's Administration will be far more inclusive and far more democratic, especially with regards to the less physically-able and the blind.

We believe that social unity can only be achieved with direct democracy, where the UK electorate can create, propose and vote upon all policy implementation.

The People's Administration's constitution for reform to direct democracy and our legal argument regarding voting protocols have been accepted by the UK Electoral Commission and the UN as legitimate. In a general election, the People's Administration does not have to field candidates to secure your vote on the ballot paper. Outside a general election, you can vote for a legitimate reform to direct democracy now!

An evolved culture of politics

Within a direct democracy, the police and the law courts will be enforcing truly democratic laws as determined by the people - substantially increasing social cohesion and, UK armed forces will not be able to go to war without majority public consent. Through the People's Administration, both sectors will finally be protected from government abuse.

The People's Administration was formed in early 2010 only after politicians and party leaders [including David Cameron] with whom the People's Administration founder has met and worked with offering voluntary independent consultation, rejected pro-democratic policy ideas despite them being known to have over a 90% approval rate when put to voter groups by the People's Administration.

The People's Administration recognises that the political axis has rotated and is now drawn between the people of all countries uniting through direct democracies, and the minority who seek to control. The people of the world have more in common with each other than they do with their own 'leaders' - who have more in common with each other than they do with their own people. The People's Administration's architecture for direct democracy has been promoted since 1998 and is now being studied as a template by various groups in other countries.

Economics: The People's Administration believes that 45 million eligible voters advised by the Institute of Fiscal Studies via direct democracy, is better than 3 heads advised by their party donors!

The previous two global financial collapses both led directly to world wars. Unlike the previous two world wars, thermo-nuclear WW3 will leave no functioning environment. Our representative democracies and our markets are now thinking and behaving in exactly the same ways as they did in the lead-up to both of the previous two world wars and it is no coincidence. A global reform to direct democracy is now the only solution.

Capitalism: Simply planting a seed and maintaining its growth through to it becoming an edible food is capitalism and it's fair and it's sustainable if we democratise and optimise [as in nature] instead of maximise!

Crime: Through the People's Administration and direct democracy, we could choose to increase the economy whilst decreasing crime rates by legalising black markets and enhancing prisoner rehabilitation programmes - particularly Restorative Justice programmes.

Parliament's 'revolutionary' idea to make 'Digital Britain' the world leader in IT is to upgrade network infrastructure with new cables [at taxpayer expense]. The People's Administration's idea to make Digital Britain the world leader in electronic communications is to upgrade Parliament with Electronic Direct Democracy.

The 'mistakes' that led to hundreds of voters across the UK being denied their right to vote in 2010 would not have happened if voting by web and telephone in a direct democracy via the People's Administration had replaced the expensive, inconvenient and out-dated method of voting via mismanaged polling stations.

The cost of the AV referendum in 2011 was £250 M. The People's Administration estimates that if administered on-line, the entire referendum could have been ran at a cost of less than £10 M - further demonstrating the coalition's absolute complacency towards technology, the UK economy, the UK electorate, and direct democracy.

In 2010 [and years after Iran, Afghanistan and Mongolia], British 'democracy' finally took to television with the leaders debates - confirming how retarded British 'democracy' actually is.

In 2011, Iceland became the world's first direct democracy!

The Indian Government has also declared that it wants direct democracy and their IT infrastructure is rapidly expanding.

We are no longer in the technological age. We are now in the Information age and so how can we be world leaders in the IT sector while David Cameron and Parliament's representative democracy prevent evolution to direct democracy?



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[-] 3 points by shadz66 (19985) 8 years ago

“The Missing Billions, Savage Austerity Cuts and Corporate Tax Avoidance : Since emerging in October 2010, the UK Uncut campaigners have protested against tax avoidance in the UK and have worked to raise awareness about cuts to public services. They have also undertaken — and encouraged others to undertake, on a kind of free franchise basis — countless actions involving theatrical occupations of corporate outlets, and are now, as they put it, “extending their actions into the courts.”, by Andy Worthington : http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article31679.htm .

radix omnium malorum est cupiditas ...

[-] 1 points by atki4564 (1259) from Lake Placid, FL 8 years ago

True, "with our existing freedom, we have chosen to empower others", so we need to support a new constitution to empower everyone, as follows:

We the peoples, in order to secure Freedom and Justice for All, do enact this Constitution for Strategic International Systems LLC (or SIS LLC) as summarized in the following Business Operations Forecast:

The customer value mission of SIS LLC is (1) to organize all customer-investors into 3,000 investment squad sites of 16 friends (or virtual specialties), and related internet investment legislatures of 50,000 friends (or virtual towns), requiring (2) a $20 weekly capital contribution for 1 year (or $1,000) to (3) create your investment club bank of 50,000 friends (or physical town) -- that is, having $50 million in initial assets -- which (4) due to the operation of today’s fractional banking system becomes (5) $500 million in new annual business loans (or $10,000 in new annual individual loans) from yourself as a new bank officer to yourself as a new business officer who (6) takes 75% employee business control as business officer-investors and 25% customer business control as bank officer-investors of (7) your specific 12 businesses (or investments) in your new bank investment account wherein (8) your investor voting power equals (9) your 1 of 12 levels of experience in (10) your 1 of 12 sectors in 1 of 50 industries in 1 of 200 occupations in 1 of 3,000 specialities which (11) votes-upon your purchasing (or investment) orders as (12) proposed by your employee-elected chain of command.

This means you will have 75% employee business control over your workplace as business officers and, as bank officers, 25% customer business control over all 12 investments (or businesses) in your new bank investment account. In turn, with this 100% town-level business control of your 3,000 workplaces, you can decrease your 12 customer consumption expenses by 75% for services, vehicles, education, retail, food, construction, technology, manufacturing, wholesale, health, justice, and banking expenses; that is, over your first 12 years of SIS LLC membership using a 75% more effective and efficient town design, and related 3,000 workplace designs (herein). Furthermore, while creating your new town & workplace design as described by this constitution, you will replace today’s communist big businesses, and related big governments, with your new small investment club banks, and related small businesses (or investments), as proposed, financed, and patronized by your 3,000 investment squad sites of 16 friends (or virtual specialties) in your internet investment legislature of 50,000 friends (or virtual town).

Why? First, because today’s executive business income (mostly from bank or financial asset income) is 33% of all income which is a huge amount of upper 1% income to split among yourselves as new bank officers having 25% customer business control, right? Second, because today’s executive business wealth is 42% of all wealth which is a huge amount of upper 1% wealth to split among yourselves as new business officers having 75% employee business control; that is, only after becoming new bank officers (above) first, right?

For example, this means if you earn $12/hour today, then you will earn $36/hour tomorrow after adding (1) your old wage income, plus (2) your 33% (more and new) interest income as a new bank officer, plus (3) your 42% (more and new) dividend & gain income as a new business officer. Together, these 4 sources of wealth & income from your specific 12 businesses (or investments) will double your net worth every 6-12 years (until retirement); that is, from the compound interest decline of today's upper 1% executives whom you will replace as the new bank & business investor-officers. So, with this power, let’s end today’s communist big businesses, and related big governments, okay? How? By helping to operate your own Business Operations Forecast (above) at http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/StrategicInternationalSystems/ ; so help us help you, today!

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (23331) 8 years ago


[-] 1 points by LeoYo (5909) 8 years ago

Direct Democracy and Cyber Warfare | Video

It is the nature of human beings to make our own choices [to be free]. Therefore, direct democracy and self-rule is in our nature. Physicians, politicians and military planners all accept that in any circumstances, the power of resistance always eventually equals the power of oppression so eventually, direct democracy will be the new culture of politics and the People's Administration reform could be a positive aid to this transition.

It is an illusion that the people don't already have power. Whilst we don't believe that we have power, we abuse it. When politicians tell us that they want to give us more power, they reinforce the notion that we don't already have all of the power and the illusion is maintained but, only because we do not real-ise that we already have ALL of the power [the ability to choose to vote to maintain a dictatorship, or to choose to vote for the People's Administration and direct democracy].

Money is not power. Money enables for the ability to make more choices but can never be used to control others without others in some way choosing to be controlled. This makes money power-less. It is freedom [the ability to make choices] that is the only power.

The People's Administration has no financial support yet the People's Administration has the ability to establish direct democracy in the UK - should you choose to empower us with your vote.

This People's Administration's proposal is a mechanism through which the people can come to know through experience, that the people already have all of the power, and to then exercise this power for the positive by choosing to reform to direct democracy.

Within a direct democracy, as well as voting upon all policy implementation, the people themselves will also be able to propose policy ideas directly to the country for a potential national vote and implementation by the People's Administration and a reformed Parliament.

If you support democracy in any form, it would follow that you would at least want for the majority to decide if they want to take responsibility - unless you also are as a politician, seeking to oppress the majority simply to satisfy your own fears?

How are the people educated enough to decide which government will control their lives, but at the same time not educated enough to make far less fundamental decisions?

Within a direct democracy, it would be the responsibility of the author of each policy to educate the voter and the responsibility of the voter to make a choice - should they so choose to.

For those of you who believe that direct democracy is dangerous because it enables the potential for abstract thinking to become policy, why should the majority let your fears prevent such policies - however abstract or absurd even? 'Abstract' is merely an opinion and in a direct democracy, your minority fear-based opinions will not override the majority.

Democracy is purely and ONLY defined by majority rule - not by fairness, freedom or even common sense. These are merely potential components of a democracy - not the definition of democracy.

Democracy is based ONLY upon the rules of mathematics - not the rules of minority dictatorships disguised as 3rd party representation.

Representative Democracy [our current system], AV and PR are not democratic as they are not defined directly by majority rule.

The UK has never had democracy and the coalition has stated many times that although it will listen, it will not regard majority public opinion.

The Coalition's attempt at distorting the definition of 'direct democracy' has now been set up by the Tory Party via one of their own MP's [douglascarswell.com] and by a hidden group of pro-partisan Parliamentarians [govcheck.org.uk] and in our opinion, both are simply propagandist attempts at misleading the UK electorate so that the 'threat' of genuine direct democracy never materialises.

For the minority who may still prefer that others make decisions on their behalf, they can still do this simply by abstaining from voting upon any policy implementation, whilst those who do wish to take responsibility will be able to do so. Representative democracy only allows for the minority group to have power [choice], whilst direct democracy would cater for all.

If you are considering not voting, spoiling your vote in protest or voting for 'None of the above', why not make your vote stand for direct democracy and parliamentary reform by voting for the People's Administration and reform to direct democracy?


However it is expressed, if the majority call for reform to direct democracy [even outside a general election and outside of current protocols], this expression would become law and we would have direct democracy - in accordance with all legally accepted UK democratic principals, as well as with UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights Article 21 which the UK is signed-up to.

Express your support for a reform to direct democracy simply by following us on Twitter @self_rule and when numbers reach a point of critical mass, we will issue instructions to all UK-based followers to enable us to record and publish a legitimate desire for reform to direct democracy.

• People's Administration's Constitution for Protest • PA FORECAST for 2012

© People's Administration Direct Democracy Party

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 8 years ago

What will be the security safeguards against the faking of votes? Web-based or telephonic voting can be subject to hacking as you could have seen happened on this forum already.

Direct democracy may well be the idea whose time has come AGAIN after millenia. We have come a long way from the ancient Greek agora in Athens which handled thousands of people. The U.S.'s eighteenth century move into representative democracy might have been due to technological limitations and elitist inclinations. Now that we have achieved global connectivity, extending the range of direct democracy to an entire country seems to be eminently within our technological capabilities. Perhaps something like avaaz.org's method can work. I feel though that the safeguarding of minority rights such as those enshrined in the U.S. Constitution's Bill of Rights and subsequent Amendments can be important for a limited direct democracy. Our U.S. concept of human rights came from Britain originally, thanks to the struggles of the British nobility against a tyrannical king. As you had mentioned though, Britain was never really fully democratic and I agree. There were all of the singing about "our gracious Queen" and the medieval pageantry but unlike other major powers of the modern world Great Britain never experienced a real revolution that had overthrown the power elites in big pools of blood.

I am very interested in seeing the U.K. experimenting and perhaps leading us to a new and better form of government. As you probably know, British governance enjoyed some areas of good reputations around the world. How did Iceland fare with its experiment so far? How about India, too but it might be a little bit early to ask for performance data.

[-] 1 points by LeoYo (5909) 8 years ago

It should be noted that the claim of Iceland becoming the world's first direct democracy in 2011 is a gross overstatement.

[-] 0 points by SparkyJP (1646) from Westminster, MD 8 years ago

Consider this DD plan:


It gives the people oversight power instead of legislative power using the V2 (internet version 2) - http://osixs.org/V2_Menu_V2.aspx

[-] 0 points by LeoYo (5909) 8 years ago

If the Free Democracy Amendment http://occupywallst.org/forum/free-democracy-amendment/ is ever ratified, I see its national initiative provision as enabling voters to vote on another amendment that would institute a Democratic Congress http://occupywallst.org/forum/amendment-for-a-democratic-congress/ compossed of all voters. I also see that if such were to happen, the voters would vote against it as to not want to take on the ongoing responsibility of totally governing themselves.

[-] 1 points by shadz66 (19985) 8 years ago

I'm loving your 'out of the box' thinking and I've read your excellent forum-post twice today - even IF I didn't quite agree with all of it. Further, as a direct result, I've had a 'smiley inside' feeling all day :-) & (inter alia) from the post :

"We are musicians and political activists [not politicians] who have registered the People's Administration with the Electoral Commission as a mainstream UK party with the ability and the architecture to implement a reform to direct democracy - should the majority vote for direct democracy now or in the next UK general election."

Thus, in support and solidarity, I also append the following :

dum spiro, spero ...

[-] 2 points by LeoYo (5909) 8 years ago

I've added another quote to the Free Democracy Amendment post if you're interested. It pertains to Andrew Jackson's veto of the Bank of the United States.

[-] 1 points by shadz66 (19985) 8 years ago

I read your 'forum-post' ( http://occupywallst.org/forum/free-democracy-amendment/ ) & thoroughly recommend it to any and all serious readers.

fiat lux ...

[-] 4 points by LeoYo (5909) 8 years ago

With all of these presidential and otherwise authoritive quotes showing a definite trend throughout the history of this nation concerning the negative influence of the banking establishment, I'm contemplating creating a small book from all of them. No arguments for financial conspiracy theories, just the quotes to allow anyone who reads them to simply judge the situation for themselves.

[-] 0 points by shadz66 (19985) 8 years ago

WOW !!! Well as I live and breathe !! You star 'LeoYo', as there is much that is good here !

dum spiro, spero ...