Forum Post: Detroit: What the Suburban "Kingpin" Has to Say
Posted 10 years ago on Jan. 20, 2014, 4:25 p.m. EST by shoozTroll
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Words of hate.
"Oakland County Executive L. Brooks Patterson is the subject of a lengthy profile in the New Yorker this week. The outspoken Patterson didn’t hold back in his remarks quoted by reporter Paige Williams, delivering lines like, “Anytime I talk about Detroit, it’s not positive. Therefore, I’m a Detroit basher. The truth hurts, you know? Tough s---.”
http://www.freep.com/article/20140120/BLOG25/301200095/brooks-patterson-new-yorker-detroit
Should I remind, that he's a (R)epelican't?
http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/6574:activists-and-anarchists-speak-for-themselves-at-occupy-oakland
everyone in oakland knows oakland is rough too.
Gosh, then the question you should be asking is, why are they saying such nasty things about the city of Detroit.
Do you support what they said about it?
does anyone ?
Everybody knows what mudslinging is
Perhaps, but this guy is swapping States, communities and ideology, faster than a Lady Gaga stage production, changes costumes.
And not a single word about the OP.
I find that odd.
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politicians are corrupted by the ways they do business, he is another one.
alternatives are needed.
there is a big imbalance is voting since late 2011 on this page and you are not stating allegiances to anyone? where did those other posts go, there are removed everywhere.
for clarity, political allegiances are stated on voting cards.
Some politicians are corrupted by our largely corrupt political system, which we have let happen through our lowest Voter Turnout public neglect of our democracy and government. Big $ 1%ers have encouraged this and have made public service for well meaning Americans impossible without vast amounts of MONEY! The Big $ corruption of our politics is not complete, though. Although the 1% can buy elections for their wholly owned RepubliCon Cult, they can't sell a majority of Americans on 1%-GOP Fascism. But they CAN gerrymander districts and use the MSM, Fox Lies and Hate-Wing Radio which they own to fill American heads with enough propaganda to discourage them from Voting. And THAT WORKS FOR THEM!
nostalgia for the good old days is something we may be saying in 2050, when people are awakening its always with previous experience shaping. Where are the days that were good.
We have always had an anti-America anti-democracy contingency, hold overs from the Royalist and Loyalist authoritarians who preferred Kings over public rule. Frustrated and mutated, today these are our greed-addled few in the 1% (Kings) and the RepubliCon Cult who worships them. FUCKING SICK! The current state of radical imbalance and unbridled greed started with Raygun.
WTF are you talking about, and what does it have to do with L. Brooks Patterson, or the city of Detroit?
Are you trying to make this about voter purges?
politicians in detroit are the same as everywhere, for self service and greed usually and when we dont know who they are its worse. no one knows who anyone is, who is patterson?
More importantly, who are you, and why didn't you follow the link?
why so many nonspecific answers?
What are you afraid of?
when politics becomes corrupted as it is now we have to wonder when thinking how did this reality become a reality, when it was previously only a book? are cowboys and indians a positive game for kids to be playing? did patterson pretend to be a cowboy or indian? i mean native americans, we are all guilty.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/01/20/noam-chomsky-the-tea-party-is-the-petty-bourgeois-face-of-corporate-oligarchs/
tea of corruption, even naom is afraid, we are all afraid today.
no.
drones and gas cans shot at protesting does not increase safety, and while some might not realize it, less safety eventually crosses to realization of said lacking and then realization of fear usually in a climatic moment. we can only hold out for so long, a ways to go but an end either way.
fear lurks in the back of the mind, as do messages and influencers, the listening controls the message, and the message controls the listeners. who is listening and what is their message? questions that were not meant to be asked but are being incorporated if we choose or not.
that's white matter
http://aattp.org/s-c-tea-party-senate-candidate-wants-teachers-armed-with-machine-guns/
People are collecting signatures in San Diego
They are paid by the signature
in politics only a few get paid, the rest get a slap on the back, contact email forms and a button.
That's just an incentive......lol
What are they collecting them for?
It's to block a flat property tax based on square feet for businesses
The tax is to build housing for local labor
as much as I can conjecture
If they have to build housing for them, then they are likely underpaying them in the first place.
maybe they want to own the housing they build
as opposed to handing property to people
So you won't be signing then?
no
I vote twice
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Wow. Rich old white man crap. http://michiganlp.org/?p=1999
Now,now. You know no one believes us, when we tell the truth about libe(R)tarians, and all the HELL they've perpetrated on the World.
It confuses their duopoly lies.
Should I remind that he was a BIG fan of John Engler?
do you support the democractic party today?
Do you support PR firms today?
Do you know who John Engler is without google?
why do you ask such a fool question?
One that has NOTHING to do with the information given.
no i don't.
do you support dems? Usually if someone doesnt like republicans its because they like the other.
for clarity
Then why ask such a fool question.
One that has absolutely NOTHING to do with what's being said here.
Is it that you agree entirely with Mr. Patterson?
I'm very sorry for YOU, but I don't see things in such black and white terms.
Perhaps some information on your location would be helpful?
occupy oakland is openly anti state, there is no agreement on any of what was posted.
you post on republicans a lot, and clarity will help to filter.
I'll take that, for a you agree wholeheartedly.
Did you even follow the links?
Do you support all libe(R)tarians, no matter their political persuasion?
"Do you support all libe(R)tariians, no matter their political persuasion?...my emphasis
WOW!!.. I'm surprised...admitting that those neocons can be found in both parties means you have taken your first step on your road to recovery.
Congratulations! ;-)
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Certainly considering all the drone attacks (and a whole bunch more) that Obama has carried out, you would have to agree that the Democrats have adopted the neocon principles quite well. It's amazing what bribes can do, isn't it?
Your depravity in which you freely curse people out and say some really vile stuff with impunity also reminds one of the right-wing-ery which we have been forced to endure, and it is very telling of your character, or rather your lack of it.
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You take that as a "compliment"? That's sad. We're at different points in our life obviously. While I try to make myself better (and yes I do have a ways to go), you are content with where you are at. It's NEVER too late to change. Do it for yourself, no one else.
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heeheeheeeeee - trash-can admits that it has a ways to go - that's like Bernie Madoff saying that he was a little bit deceptive. hahahaaaa - except - that - I guess - trash-can can be better - just by being silent/absent.
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Vulgar is what you brought into this thread, in which you've yet to say a word about the actual topic.
Not to mention your lying.
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This must be you.
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/infiltration_to_disrupt_divide_and_misdirect_20120224
Considering your lack on honesty.
Who did you say you used to post under?
Glad to know you support apartheid for Detroit.
"Some may wonder why Democrats or groups closely affiliated with the Democrats, such as MoveOn.org, Campaign for America’s Future, Rebuild the Dream or unions like the SEIU, would want to infiltrate the Occupy. (Note: Individuals who are Democrats or members of a union, MoveOn or other groups are not the same as the leadership.) Essentially, leaders of these groups see Occupy as the Democrats’ potential answer to the tea party. Occupiers do not see themselves that way, but these groups want the movement to adopt their strategy of working within the Democratic Party."
That article is really very interesting.
This one is even better by them: http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/20966-major-social-transformation-is-a-lot-closer-than-you-may-realize-how-do-we-finish-the-job
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Yeah, I think you're a liar.
You lied about me already.
http://occupywallst.org/forum/detroit-what-the-suburban-kingpin-has-to-say/#comment-1019502
But let's find out for sure.
Have you ever posted here under another username?
Have you ever been banned?
If so, under what username/s?
Failure to answer any of those questions, would make you a liar.
BTW. I think you do agree with Mr. Patterson.
You think I am a liar! How so? Be specific please. And in particular, where did I lie about you? Am I not allowed to 'think' that I had my answer from your silence on whether you supported Ms Friday's support of Israel and their brutal suppression of the Palestinians? I never said what my answer was, so where's the lie?
More diversion, ad hominem, repeated false allegations (a very neocon-like tactic!!) and the BIGGIE, "concern trolling." How embarrassing would it be if you had to ban yourself?! So let's try and stay on topic without all the bs, OK?
Even so, for all the good posters whose views were far closer to Occupy's and either left in disgust, or who were subsequently unjustifiably banned by YOU because they were recalcitrant to your partisan tyrannical bullshit, I will leave you with this quote.
There is a secret pride in every human heart that revolts at tyranny. You may order and drive that individual, but you cannot make him respect you....William Hazlitt
It's not a question of "think, or even opinion, I now know you're a liar.
Let's try that again, in a different fashion.
Just to confirm the veracity of my statement.
Why do support L. Brooks Patterson?
Please if you will, notice the actual title of the thread.
Oh, and what usename/s did you say you used to post under?
Failure to answer fully and honestly, is all the further proof I need.
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No.
I always knew that.
It's what defines, what you mistakenly like to call a "duopoly", and makes a lie of it too.
Perhaps you can now recover?
BTW. Since we a playing the quote monkey game.
You misspelled "libe(R)tariians"
There's only one i in libe(R)tarian.
My emphasis on the (R) as that is the way of it.
You used it too, so you really are learning as we go along.
Good to know.
So how 'bout you continue on bashing libe(R)tarians, and I will remind people that they are found in both parties? OK?
That way people will get the picture that both parties stink.
Is there any way we can substitute my extra "i" with a D in that word?
It's a HIGHLY unequal distribution.
But I'm sure a smart guy like you is already well aware of that situation.
Are you afraid to say so, because you fear you are being watched?
Here, I'll provide a couple of links to one of the main perpetrators.
http://occupywallst.org/forum/christy-and-the-koch-machine/
They have plans to make it even more unequal in the coming years.
http://occupywallst.org/forum/libertarian-koch-infestation-continues-in-14/
Have you heard any of the AFP commercials yet?
OH! Is it really a "HIGHLY unequal distribution"?!
Let's see, we have a Democratic President that has broken tons of promises to his constituency, and like I said in another post, is working hard to get the TPP passed.
And then in NJ they had a sleazy Democratic Governor Corzine who preceded Christie, and who was baffled as to where all that retirement money went, when he went on to work for MF Global. You do remember that, don't you?
Being the "smart guy" you are, you would know that these examples of malfeasance and corruption are just the tip of the ice-berg, and don't forget, they were DEMOCRATS!
Both parties work hard to deceive us into believing that the neoliberal agenda is good for us. Only one party deceives us into believing that they are working hard in our interests.
[-] 2 points by go4broke (31) 10 hours ago
There hasn't been any "deception" from Obama?!?! REALLY?!
It's difficult for me to follow you rationale..your reasoning, but let me give it a go, "K"?
Do you mean that if we had asked the right questions of Obama, early on..we would then have understood that he was going to undertake a neoliberal agenda? So can I then surmise that it is our fault for not having made the right queries to him?? lol, OR
If we had listened to his speeches more carefully, we would have also known that, the phrase he used so often, "Change We Can Believe In" had very nefarious implications for the 99%?? WOW, that's funny.
The many people, including me who got sucked in and believed Obama's rhetoric did so because he was a champion liar!
And he, Obama more than anyone else is most responsible for the advent of Occupy, as most of us came to the realization (an epiphany for some) that we are living with a duopoly and we, the 99% are nowhere near their main concern.
Top 45 Lies in Obama's Speech at the UN - Truthout
http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/19095-top-45-lies-in-obamas-speech-at-the-un ↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink
Do you mean that if we had asked the right questions of Obama, early on..we would then have understood that he was going to undertake a neoliberal agenda?
Did you or did you not hear him discuss the business of education? That was your first clue. lol, indeed. Did you or did you not throw a shit fit over the debates and the questions that were not asked? I'm telling you point blank that the line "Change We Can Believe In" does not answer a question it is a slogan. If you cannot tell the difference between a slogan and an answer to a line of questioning then you are dumber than I thought.
Further, you are a PR firm so the bullshit about how you were sucked in is a bunch of shit and Obama isn't up for election. Therefor, you have some time to develop questions.
Here is the actual text of the UN speech. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/25/us/politics/text-of-obamas-speech-at-the-un.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
You should read that.
So can I surmise from your more civil than usual comment that you like me feel betrayed by Obama? It would seem that way. Then can I ask; What makes you think that it would be any different if Hitlary was elected President?
It is vitally important that you answer this question for the "PR firm" I ...& the numerous other people here work for.."K?"...lolol
You didn't follow those links either, did you?
No, I don't suppose that was ever your plan.
Are you the other guy too? Or are you tag teaming?
He didn't read a thing either. So I wouldn't be surprised to find out you are the same person.
But anyway, without getting into events in Florida.
Can you tell me which of the "parties" is actively pushing the teaching of creationism?
Can you tell me which party cut unemployment insurance?
Can you tell me which party has insisted on rape insurance?
Can you tell me with which party libe(R)tarians caucus?
Can you tell me which party has instituted provable tyranny at the State level?
Or will just be babbling on again.
Oh, and just for the record, what was your previous username around here?
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There is no deception. Either learn to ask better questions or orient yourself to the specifics of the job that they are candidates for. Often times the speeches are given with only information that you want to hear not with what they can do or with what they will do.
Nobody gave a damn about the stock market crash of 1929 and the reforms that were made until.............we had to do the same damn thing over again. Reagan's reforms set in motion and Clinton kept it coming. Clinton-the best damn Republican president ever.
But, all of this has been repeated on the forum before and you're still a jackhole. This indicates that you are a drama queen.
There hasn't been any "deception" from Obama?!?! REALLY?!
It's difficult for me to follow you rationale..your reasoning, but let me give it a go, "K"?
Do you mean that if we had asked the right questions of Obama, early on..we would then have understood that he was going to undertake a neoliberal agenda? So can I then surmise that it is our fault for not having made the right queries to him?? lol, OR
If we had listened to his speeches more carefully, we would have also known that, the phrase he used so often, "Change We Can Believe In" had very nefarious implications for the 99%?? WOW, that's funny.
The many people, including me who got sucked in and believed Obama's rhetoric did so because he was a champion liar!
And he, Obama more than anyone else is most responsible for the advent of Occupy, as most of us came to the realization (an epiphany for some) that we are living with a duopoly and we, the 99% are nowhere near their main concern.
Top 45 Lies in Obama's Speech at the UN - Truthout
http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/19095-top-45-lies-in-obamas-speech-at-the-un
How about if I just keep reminding people how you work for a fucking pr firm. K?
Me working for a "pr firm"?? I think you may have me confused with the numerousl other people you have made that accusation at..
But you have a deal, I'll play along, Edit; "..[You] keep reminding people how.. [I] work for a pr firm," lol..., but only if you finally answer these questions, "K"? ;-)
Will you please take your "sock" out and explain to everyone your support of the right wing, neocon Likud Party? AND just out of interest, does shooz know about this surprising (to me) revelation? That would explain a lot if he did.
Then another poster asked you, "Do you still support the state of Israel?"...and their barbaric treatment of the Palestinians?
Once again we, are all anxiously awaiting your replies. "K"?
Try hard not to resort to obfuscation, ad hominem or cussin' me out, ok?
Don't drag me into this.
I made my statement a long time ago and no one noticed.
I got attacked by trolls instead.
Oh.......
and in keeping with the theme.......
Do you support L. Brooks Patterson and the libe(R)tarians he supports and represents?
Do you agree with what he said about Detroit?
Did you even read it?
OK, I won't "drag" you into this, and ask you if you support Ms Friday's neocon views of Israel, and their brutal treatment of the Palestinians? I have my answer though.
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support of isreal is never greater than in the us gov, the positions are filled and the bullets keep being made. contractors get rich and the poor get used.
Rather than boldly argue for equal rights for everyone, Libertarians have merely argued for the dismantling of everyone's rights—the right to legal marriage, the right against workplace discrimination, and so on. That's not liberty; it's giving the green light to entrenched systemic discrimination. Libertarians could have led on this issue. Instead, they've fallen unforgivably far behind. http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2013/12/30/libertarians_and_gay_rights_the_party_failed_to_take_a_stand.html
I already answered the question, cockroach puppet. There is no confusion. You are absolutely affiliated with a PR firm. That is the reason for your presence.
Would you like me to educate your ignorant red neck ass again?
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"I have my answer though."
No you don't......liar!!
From your responses so far should I assume you agree with everything L. Brooks Patterson said and believes?
Should I also assume that you FULLY support and advance what he said and believes, because you believe it too?
That you like a support the concept of apartheid for the city of Detroit?
That you support that libe(R)tarian ideal?
ME a "liar"? ..NO, At worse, I have drawn the wrong assumption from your silence concerning Ms Friday's support of Israel, and their brutal suppression of the Palestinians.
You can bet your ass though if kindred spirits like shadz, Renneye or beautifulworld put up a thread and/or comments in support of a government that treated a near defenseless people in such an inhumane way, I would not hesitate in the least in criticizing them severely. Please feel free to call me on it if I don't.
Instead...YOU overlook it! Why? 'Cause she is a fellow proselytizing Democrat and there ain't many left here, that's why.
And for better or worse, I have no idea who L. Brooks Patterson is.
i don't. do you support dems or republicans? another world is possible, by breaking out of the old the new will be found. it could be wonderful.
By not understanding, what "the old" is.
You will break out of exactly, nothing.
Do you have any plans of following the link in the near future and commenting on it?
is this man important ?
or only important because we give him attention?
Which one?
I could bring in the guy who says stuff about the teabagge(R)s.
hmmmm......I will.
He's pretty popular around here, depending on what he says and who he says it about.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/01/20/noam-chomsky-the-tea-party-is-the-petty-bourgeois-face-of-corporate-oligarchs/
Ya, don't expect much. This is a little group that loves to cherry pick Noam Chomsky.
Around here?
It's far too often a rehash of what went before, and an ignoring of what's happening all around.
Actually, many times he is taken out of context. More like a find someone that liberals like and distort it.
Either way, I like him but I have been reading the guy for over 20 years and at some point you start doing your own research and forging your own path.
I see corruption until i cannot see any further. what do you see?
stating allegiances is important in politics.
This question from the guy who didn't understand the term "radical" and thinks democrats ( and probably liberals too) have no business supporting OWS?
No........It's you who needs to provide a few answers.
Like........
Do you agree with L. Brooks Patterson?
that would be in keeping with the thread.
radical is radical, is rad is awesome is exciting. its another adverb. dems can support occupy and that would have been nice and scott olsen would not be hurt. are you a dem? its not a crime.
and a waste
OK
that sounds rough
recylcing is common in politics, but waste remains waste and goods and people are never better after going through the process.
No.
So don't ask me again, in ANY permutation.
So you understand now, that the Koch's are radicals, and highly activist?
And in closing.
Do you agree with what L. Brooks Patterson said?
What parts do you agree/disagree with?
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he invokes the negative positive paradigm
YES!
While at the same time, being almost entirely pointlessly generic.
At least you still haven't said you.
That has to be record in any forum out here!!!
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