Forum Post: "Department of Homeland Security labels U.S War Veterans as Terrorists"
Posted 12 years ago on Nov. 3, 2012, 8:38 p.m. EST by far2wrld
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Janet Napolitano agrees with her staff members that U.S War Veterans are the greatest threat to Homeland Security.Reasons being because of there training in weapons handling and maintenance, urban and rural warfare training and I.E.D capabilities.Their excuse is that post traumatic disorders will have a direct influence on higher homeland acts of violence. The real reason why their doing it ,is because the vets pose a real threat to Martial Law if put into action. In other words Martial Law dosent want the competion. U.S War Veterans put on top 10 watchlist for terrorism on Homeland Security Website. Read the watch list (it gets absurd).
Janet is a 1%er and as such is misusing her influence to further the police state. Money is not the only factor. People who lead a sheltered life are more prone to violence against others out of fear brought about by ignorance and short shortsightedness. Secondly, she has no personal life outside of fraternizing with coworkers. Many studies have shown such a lacking in close or meaningful relationships leads to mental instability. She is not extraordinary. Most of the world leadership is comprised of underdeveloped and deficient minds.
"no personal life"? "mental instability"? Scurrilous unfounded personal attacks on her.
You are not qualified to make thesestatements, nor have you examined her to do so.
Just anti dem partisan campaign attack!!!
Just a few more days and you'll have no use as you will have outlived your own narrative.
At least my "narrative" don't include insulting people with unfounded personal attacks.
I got that goin for me.
Decency, civility, respect are worthy goals in valuable discourse. Childish, schoolyard bully tactics are reserved for those without substantive arguments.
Do you don't think you will ever outlive that.?
Peace
I will be voting for Dems across the board for my state this week, though you call me anti-dem. You are the queen of unfounded attacks, party line preaching, substance free postings, and citizen alienation. Childish is to think that mentally stable people could rationalize the implementing of Stalinist national security policies.
"stalinist"? Extremist unfounded personal attack!
You are incorrigible.
I refrain from that useless personal attack tactics. Why bother?
You can't convince people to agree with you by insulting them!
Do you get a thrill by putting people down from the safety of a virtual forum? Are you putting people down to lift your self up?
Why? I just don't understand.
I talk politics everywhere. Now thanks to having business cards, lots of people are reading my blog too. This forum is the least effective platform I have for pushing my agenda, I just really like Occupy, thus my resentment toward your co-opting of this forum. It really is funny that after the hundreds of millions of dollars spent on campaigning, you and others still come on here and push everything to the left. Hundreds of millions. You know what that means? That means the Dems are no less corrupt than they were last year, or the year before, in fact they are more corrupt now than ever. You continue to push for a corrupt party and corrupt system, on a forum that the overarching narrative is anti-corruption. Tell me, what does that make you?
Didn't you just say that you will be voting Dem across the board? I must be misunderstanding something.
For my state, yes. I have yet to see the first ad for state level politics in my area from the dems. I have to actually go out and collect the information myself. I would say that is an indicator of less money in politics, on the left, in Florida. I'm pretty happy about it. Also, no political figure in my state is sending drones to other countries that kill entire families at a time. The only corruption in my county is now in prison and the only corruption at the state level is coming from the right.
Thanks for clarifying. That makes sense.
Spending is NOT the corrupt element in that equation! The corruption element is when you then serve the 1% plutocrats who gave you that money to spend. Like repubs who have vowed to repeal fin reform, ACA, & support big oil.
The Dems agenda is the opposite.
And what is wrong with "pushing everything to the left"? I thought that is what OWS was. A progressive movement.
ALL our problems eminate from the right ward movement of the last 30 years and the conservative policies that some blue dog dems have supported.
We must move left. Are you joking?
Money in politics isn't corruption? Now I know you're a campaign hack. Occupy was started by anarchists. Anarchism has attributes that could apply to the left or right. The very idea of anarchism does not allow for organized political parties to begin with. You still seem to have an unwillingness to stick to facts or are simply incapable of a moderate level of comprehension.
Anarchism is a left wing ideology.
Spending money on campaigning does not equate corruption. Doing the bidding of the contributors is the corruption.
Do you understand that simple fact.?
I definitely support movetoamend to get money out of politics. But I do so because politicians serve those who contribute.
Do you understand these basic concepts?
Political parties are at odds with individual freedom. The individual is the heart of anarchism. Do you understand that basic concept? Collectives based on voluntary interaction and not institutional obligation, do you understand that basic concept? Free markets are also part of the anarchist doctrine, do you understand that basic concept? Tool
"tool"? Silly name calling.
I stand in support of the anarchist goals. As soon they get it together I will give up my efforts to defeat the right wing wackos that have cause all our problems.
I may not agree entirely with anarcism and I DO not subscribe to your definition since you don't even understand what corruption is.
Free markets. Nope. Must have real strong regulation on the 1% oligarchs.
Voluntary interaction?. Perhaps, except that EVERYONE MUST vote. Mandatory voting. Its what the 1% fear most.
Peace..
Then you follow socialist anarchism, which is a contradiction unto itself. Everyone must not vote? They may vote. Or have you forgotten the definition of freedom and democracy? You are an authoritarian figure and as such, I can't understand why you think you have anything in common with the left.
In response to your comment the economy. The repubs are obstructing every effort to boost employment. They don't complain about the trillions we print for wall street because that is their constituents.
And identifying whether you are speaking for progressive change or repub obstruction is required if we are to find the solutions that benefit the 99%.
We need to do it in a civil way. And the focus must be on specific issues, not trying to label and box each other as enemies.
I reject your definition of me. I do not subscribe to the labels or box you want to put me in.
You are mistaken.
We disagree.
You should forget trying to define me. I am not doing that to you. Your efforts seem only to revolve around finding ways to personally attack. "your authoritarian," "you follow socialist anarchism" .
It is irrelevant what I am, & what you think I am. My focus is on specific issues/change that will benefit the 99%.
That's why I do not personally attack people here.
I believe a big issue hurting the 99% is the vitriolic politics of personal destruction. The nasty politics of demonization. So that MUST change amongst our leaders. I urge you and I, everyone to lead by example on this important issue.
We can make great progress if we can adopt a civil posture. I am not your enemy. You don't have to personally attack me.
Why must you?
Then stop labeling everyone an anti-dem when your argument runs short, I'll reply in kind, every time.
Sounds about right - they have served their country and are now in the private sector - lets make em enemies - we can get more money from congress then.
If they really were concerned about domestic terrorists - well - they would be taking a real long hard look at some in government ( should I mention names - or should it just be obvious ) as well as wallstreet mega monster banksters and the fossil fuel industry as well as other corpoRAT greedy gutz.
War veterans are an expensive commodity.
The sooner you can criminalise them and hand them over to the corporate gaolers, the better off the budget will look. Besides, by the time that DU gets a hold of their organs, the taxpayer doesn't want their health-care expenses.
You make a good point - innocent veterans deserve proper care and treatment - but if they ( TPTB ) can criminalize them - oh well - no prob - put em to work in the for profit prison system ( prisons got band-aids and aspirin - right? ).
It's a shocker, alright.
Our vets get the runaround here all the time.
A remote camp set up by our "Bush Tucker Man" Les Hiddins, for veterans of Vietnam and Korea came under constant attack because it was on crown land, and they shouldn't be allowed to camp there without a permit.
Veterans deserve respect, particularly when it's common knowledge that PTSD is not just common amongst them, but prevalent.
Bet those chair-shiner politicians wouldn't be sending their children off to fight these wars for profit.
You know why many veterans from WWI & WWII did so well getting back into the community back then? I mean yeah veterans care basically sucked for the most part - but - back then we still had community - people knew each other and each others family and quite often each others relatives - extended family. And that cohesive community helped each other.
Well community has been blasted hot and heavy since those days - now hardly anyone knows anyone anymore - because everyone is moving around - following the jobs or looking for a good school or to get out of a bad neighborhood or looking for a good home for less rent as pay shrinks.
Only ( thank God ) veterans health care has gotten better - now though TPTB is fretting over that cost. So if they can things will change and it won't be pretty. Unless the public can band together and regain ( or is that just = gain ) control.
Or I suppose that I could be completely wrong - and the main difference between then and now - is - we have better communications - so more stories travel further then they did in the olden days.
Bit of both really.
Our Anzac day observance is actually growing in attendance numbers, including young families of young children.
The problems with management of veterans affairs is the same as most of the problems with capitalism; it all boils down to bean counters getting greedier, and admin getting more top-heavy and raking in the dollars for themselves.
Eveyone else gets a back seat. That's just my take on the situation.
Yep - those at the top or exerting the control - well they get theirs naturally - but somehow everyone else gets shafted - one way or another and quite often in combination. Unless of "coarse" you know someone.
There's a good program in the south where vets asked to be segregated when they get sent to prison. Like separate wings or separate facilities. It works very well.
its just a diversion tactic to distract you from the actual facts. also serves as a planting ground of seeds to begin the cultivation of imaginary fears of domestic terrorism in order to reap the rewards of public opinion later when they have to imprison americans to keep them from dissenting outloud
Therefor I strongly recommend researching Oathkeepers.org and CSPOA, both of which are highly intelligent and legal organizations of U.S. sheriffs and veterans.
Not everyone wants to become a cop and joining clubs doesn't get you a paycheck.
Veteran implies not in the military anymore therefore they are not obligated to defend the constitution any more. Sheriff implies someone that is still working in law enforcement and they are obligated. Just because time in the military counts towards time in law enforcement and retirement, at the tax payers expense of course, it doesn't mean these two groups are on the same page. The groups you describe are just more organizations looking for donations. Your post could be considered spam but we're friendly here, that's OK.
Once a person has taken the oath it's binding for life, so they are obligated. This includes cops though most of the younger ones haven't even read what they've sworn to uphold and defend. Many people who've taken that oath know what they're about and find the shredding of the U.S. Constitution abhorrent. Oathkeepers is trying to organize a military stand-down and CSPOA has nullified the NDAA, kept people in their homes thru the identification of fraudulent foreclosures, stopped theft,fraud ,waste and abuse by the fed.'s and more. If you can't find the time to watch the videos, then you don't know. I encourage research. Hopefully some who read this will at least tlook into it, maybe even encourage their county sheriff to remember who they serve and protect. The ratio of good cop to bad cop is beginning to even out, and the good ones a speaking out and acting. Watch the videos, do some research, that's all I ask. I know from being involved with OWS since almost day one that not everyone who reads these posts is as close minded as stevebol.
It's not even close to spam. I recommended some real options and if you'll do some reading you might see that.
This? http://cspoa.org/
This? http://oathkeepers.org/oath/store/
They're out to make a buck.
Actually, their nullifying the NDAA and more. Please either watch some of their videos and educate yourself or quit acting like a troll.
At this point I'd like to invoke my 5th amendment privilege, officer. I have nothing more to say about this. I can do that, right?
At the expense of my desire to not feed trolls I'll respond to this one. To clarify, I'm a veteran, not a cop. I was very cynical about these 'money pit' organizations until I was encouraged (dared is more like it) to look into them. I was surprised and impressed to the point where now I feel that encouraging others to do the same is kind of an obligation and to not do so would be crippling to the country as a whole.
I think the Oathkeeper ethic is marvelous.
From the I-don't-know-how-paranoid-to-be department, at Paul's NYC FreedomFest (though I'm a Dem and will be voting as such) I got into a conversation with an Oathkeeper (at least he was wearing one of their hats) with reservations. He was unhappy that they ask for email addresses of all their members, supporters, co-thinkers, etc. His complaint was that Constitution-hating higher ups in the military could get a hold of that list and simply round up all members in a crisis. What do you think?
If you have a computer and go on-line you are already part of governmental databases.
OK, but no reason to make it simple for them. Further I believe they would be unlikely to round up every website visitor. That's a harder task and choice.
True - they are inundated with data - and it is when they get interested in you is when they can go and pull that gathered data. Part of that process is trigger words that they have their system watch for - to sort certain traffic to a categorized data subset for more immediate inspection/consideration - your e-mails to friends and family included in the process - as well as phone conversations.
That is a valid concern. Many Oathkeepers are probably on a list or two somewhere, some (myself included) are resigned to that. I feel that if you want to insure that you're on one of the governments lists, giving ANY organization like Oathkeepers your e-mail address will eventually put you on one.
When the oppression starts, they will use Private Military Contractors.
Depends. Dems would use the UN, repubs would probably go for mercs.
Yes, UN (foreign military). Forces with no allegiance to Americans.
http://americaswatchtower.com/2009/04/14/homeland-security-classifies-returning-us-veterans-as-potential-terrorist-threat/
Of course they do. Veterans have seen, killed and died for the fraud. They no longer fall for the bs.
That's why they are militarizing the police, they don't trust the military. But can police stand up to experienced and hardened vets? The NYPD cops being upbraided by that Marine sargeant (THERE IS NO HONOR IN THIS) were pissing in their pants. They didn't know what to do. Cops are bullies, vets are the real deal.
OWS needs to reach out to vet organizations.
Any military that doesn't take care the young men and women who have fought and died for it is lower than the lowest snake. For shame, for shame. http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/why-does-the-u-s-government-treat-military-veterans-like-human-garbage
There are still good cops, more of them are standing up and speaking out about corruption and illegality. Watch this video, do some phone calling http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6NOx5Cx8Ws&feature=player_detailpageand a lot of encouraging to your local sheriff and police.
What evidence do you have on this?
Thank you far2wrld, for forum post.
Don't worry about it, just watch out for the mercs.
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Wow what a fxxxxxx Cxxx! These men and women these Vets have risked there life to protect her freedom and then she labels them as terrorists. JANET NAPOLITANO IS THE ANTI-AMERICAN TERRORIST! My proof is her slander to our returning troops!
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Stalin simply incarcerated his opposition upon return from WW2 in order to prevent that very same scenario described.
Have Stalinist ideals been adopted by the American government?
Seems so. Communism was an attempt at farming humans, so's globalism.
Stalin was able to do what he did the same way Hitler was: by empowering the ignorant. There is no reason that will not work again here in America.
It's on its way.
So it seems. Although, as long as those who are aware of this are not incarcerated by those who don't, there is still a chance.
We're supposed to be self-stifling. Self-incarcerated out of fear. It ain't working.
Shouting the truth in a crowded theater is bound to be a crime soon.
Maybe you could explain why no vet or active duty has commented on this method to defend the constitution.
http://algoxy.com/ows/soldiersinquiry.html
I really sympathize with them, in many ways, but am confounded that they cannot even discuss this perfectly legal and peaceful method of constitutional defense.
The Police state continues with disarming the u.s population.
They'll say just about anything to get our minds off real unemployment numbers and sinking wages.
It would be nice if OWS supported separate prisons for vets. It might even save some money. Politicians think they're so pragmatic but they have no idea what it means. It's all Machievelian to them.
Vets, especially ones that are unemployed could care less about going to jail, they just don't want to be with the regular prison population. We want our own prisons Got damn it. Is that too much to ask?
Sounds like something the anti military Left would do. No surprises here.