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Forum Post: Democrats and Republicans Shutting Down OWS

Posted 3 years ago on May 11, 2015, 4:36 p.m. EST by turbocharger (1756)
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Ok, so even if you find there is enough of a difference between these two pools of slop, after you hear that they actively worked to SHUT YOU DOWN....

Why on earth would you still support them?

What planet are we on?

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/dec/29/fbi-coordinated-crackdown-occupy

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[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (33633) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 years ago

[-] 0 points by turbocharger (1756) 1 minute ago

Perhaps they should look to some scientists:

"“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.”

― Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark

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11th track: (We erroneously conflate)

We erroneously conflate the dems and reps - as it provides us with cover as being against the system - while it throws mud at those who do not deserve it - and basically works to help people to choose to opt out of the process rather than make any united attempt to remove the actively evil from government - and so we support the status quo - "of this country being given to the 1%" - while hiding behind a claim of being revolutionary supporters of the people.

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[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (33633) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 years ago

[-] 1 points by mdonelly (328) from Mineola, NY 13 minutes ago

Anyone who proclaims that he wants to work within this corrupt system ...justifies it, and he will be sucked into it if that hasn't already happened. And when they deride good people who truly want systemic change, they expose themself further.

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10th track:

As We have nothing to back-up our stated positions (opt-out fiction) - We will do our best to throw it back on ( put a lie on) any who would ask for details of our non-existent action plans (Ya know......those who put the lie - "to shine the light" - on our bullshit).

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11th track: (We erroneously conflate)

We erroneously conflate the dems and reps - as it provides us with cover as being against the system - while it throws mud at those who do not deserve it - and basically works to help people to choose to opt out of the process rather than make any united attempt to remove the actively evil from government - and so we support the status quo - "of this country being given to the 1%" - while hiding behind a claim of being revolutionary supporters of the people.

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[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (33633) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 years ago

[-] 1 points by trashyharry (3220) from Waterville, NY 2 hours ago

These long,crazy song lyric posts are not readable.If what you want to do is support Bernie's candidacy for POTUS on the Forum,you have the right to do so,regardless of what others-myself included-think about the possibility of a successful outcome for Bernie.These recent long,satirical posts really are not helping Bernie.So perhaps we can look forward to some ProBernie posts that can actually be read by those who want to know more about the issues Bernie is concerned with? Hopefully you are not offended by this suggestion.

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Just putting the lie given to me and others by your buddies - back onto the liars - I hope that that is OK with you. I mean you shouldn't have a problem with me putting the lie to the liars (you know shining the light on their bullshit). Let them provide facts instead of casting specious aspersions.

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[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (33633) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 years ago

[-] 0 points by turbocharger (1756) 3 minutes ago

Thats been the national plan by Dems and Reps since day one, wreck the entire thing.

The braindead minions fall right back in line as usual. Just like clock work.

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11th track: (We erroneously conflate)

We erroneously conflate the dems and reps - as it provides us with cover as being against the system - while it throws mud at those who do not deserve it - and basically works to help people to choose to opt out of the process rather than make any united attempt to remove the actively evil from government - and so we support the status quo - "of this country being given to the 1%" - while hiding behind a claim of being revolutionary supporters of the people.

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[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (33633) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 years ago

[-] 0 points by mdonelly (339) from Mineola, NY 5 minutes ago

I think that 'he' is realizing that the only option that he has left here is to disrupt the forum with his tripe.. He like the corrupt establishment he endorses is fearful of anyone who does not buy into their bs.

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10th track: (Tossing Shit)

As We have nothing to back-up our stated positions (opt-out fiction) - We will do our best to throw it back on ( put a lie on) any who would ask for details of our non-existent action plans (Ya know......those who put the lie - "to shine the light" - on our bullshit).

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[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (33633) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 years ago

[-] 0 points by trashyharry (3215) from Waterville, NY 1 minute ago

If you want to help Bernie,help Bernie.Whatever is the best way is for you to decide.I just thought I'd let you know that if what you want to do is promote your candidate,your recent efforts are not doing that effectively.If your efforts are supposed to attack or discredit people who don't support your candidate,your efforts are likewise not very effective.How about posting on the subject of the many things Bernie has done to try to make things better? There is really no way for anyone to prove Bernie is an actual fraud or anything like it.You're certainly not going to succeed in drawing attention to Bernie's message by attacking Turbo,Luga,BW,myself et.al.You're a good person and I'm certainly interested in hearing your views about Bernie's candidacy.Attacking people you don't agree with doesn't accomplish that,and it's a style that doesn't suit you very well.But do as you think best.

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[EDIT] Heh . . . funny that you are so concerned about my ineffectiveness (?) . . . especially as you are currently supporting the BS put out by those dummies.

EDIT-> Your sincerity might have been more believable - if you had sent your advice as a private message - rather than as a public comment directed to show how reasonable you and your buddies are as compared to me - I suppose.

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[-] 2 points by mdonelly (324) from Mineola, NY 3 years ago

The problem is not so much whether you vote for A Democrat or a third party candidate. Many of us are going to have to make some hard choices in the next general election. The main problem on here, to me is people trying to conflate, and merge our revolution into the Democratic Party. That D vs R debate is what the corrupt elites want us to think is our 'only' choice.

The two party system is where struggles go to die, and both parties are experts at quelling discontent by coopting them. And then returning us to the same old crap.

Building a strong alternative third party is not something that Sanders has done in Vermont or on a national level. When you say that any goal is "futile, " you are predisposing yourself to failure. And yes, I know that statement can be taken and used either way.

Note: I think you meant to say 'general election', not "primary.'"

[-] 2 points by trashyharry (3082) from Waterville, NY 3 years ago

Bernie is not going to make it as far as a primary run-off against Hillary.The Democratic and Republican parties are not controlled by or representative of the people.What has happened elsewhere can happen here.Building a Populist party that represents the people-or a coalition of parties,seems to me to be the best strategy.Difficult enough,I suppose-but a journey of 1,000 miles begins with 1 step.

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[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (33633) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 years ago

[-] 0 points by trashyharry (3250) from Waterville, NY 2 minutes ago

Supports the F-35!!! He must be RETARDED!!!

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8th track: (False flag) "We tear down the dems and even independent socialists who are forced to run as a dem in order to have a chance to compete - but you will not hear us go after any rethuglican no matter how actively evil they are - the furthest we will generally go - is to conflate the dems with the rethuglicans - does it make you wonder?"

Because you know we're all about them Dems,

'Bout them Dems, not Rethuglicans

we're all about them Dems, 'bout them Dems, not Rethuglicans

we're all about them Dems, 'bout them Dems, not Rethuglicans

we're all about them Dems, 'bout them Dems, not Rethuglicans

.......

Because you know we're all about them Dems,

'Bout them Dems, not Rethuglicans

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[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (33633) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 years ago

[-] 0 points by trashyharry (3239) from Waterville, NY 8 minutes ago

Bernie is not going to make it as far as a primary run-off against Hillary.The Democratic and Republican parties are not controlled by or representative of the people.What has happened elsewhere can happen here.Building a Populist party that represents the people-or a coalition of parties,seems to me to be the best strategy.Difficult enough,I suppose-but a journey of 1,000 miles begins with 1 step.

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So - when were you intending to take your 1st step?

[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (33633) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 years ago

So - - - where is your strong third party activism? Hhhhmmmmmmm?

How do you support the creation of Direct Participatory Democracy? Hhhhmmmmmmm?

Because - to this point in time - you and your cronies - just - erroneously conflate Ds & Rs.

Please elucidate on your peoples plan of action. Tell us all the actions to take to implement a Direct Participatory Democracy.

Don't bother throwing shit at me or try to dance around the issue. Just Explain Your plan.

How do the people retake government?

Spell it out.

You can - can't you?

So.

A to Z - lets have it.

[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (33633) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 years ago

I repeat this question to you - the same as I presented to one of your buddies.

So - - - where is your strong third party activism? Hhhhmmmmmmm?

How do you support the creation of Direct Participatory Democracy? Hhhhmmmmmmm?

Because - to this point in time - you and your cronies - just - erroneously conflate Ds & Rs.

Please elucidate on your peoples plan of action. Tell us all the actions to take to implement a Direct Participatory Democracy.

Don't bother throwing shit at me or try to dance around the issue. Just Explain Your plan.

How do the people retake government?

Spell it out.

You can - can't you?

So.

A to Z - lets have it.

[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (33633) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 years ago

[-] 1 points by trashyharry (3235) from Waterville, NY 45 minutes ago

All right then.To be honest,I think your candidate won't make it to the primary,trying to elect people who will bring change is futile,and you're not worth anyone's attention..I wish you and the other Democrats would expend your efforts on Forums that exist for the purpose of organizing support for Hillary or Bernie-but I know you're not here to do that.You're here to do what you're doing.Occupy doesn't support those people.If you don't want to do positive things that's YOUR business.These communications are public so people will read them,and know what you have to say about the garbage you dump on the Forum.Apparently you're proud of it,so by all means-"Knock Yourself Out"

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10th track: (Tossing Shit)

As We have nothing to back-up our stated positions (opt-out fiction) - We will do our best to throw it back on ( put a lie on) any who would ask for details of our non-existent action plans (Ya know......those who put the lie - "to shine the light" - on our bullshit).

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[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (33633) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 years ago

[-] 0 points by trashyharry (3239) from Waterville, NY 1 minute ago

Thanks so much for the Helpful Links and Fascinating Cogitations related to the Presidential Campaign of Senator Bernice Anders of New Hampshire.You've really piqued my interest!

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13th track: (Stinkle teaming away)

Stinkle teaming away Stinkle teaming away You know the nearer your proactive destination The more we’re gonna try to stinkle team you away

We know a man He came from my hometown He shared his passion for this world in deeds that needed to be done

He said, world, I live in fear My love for you’s so overpowering and I’m afraid that you will be disappeared”

We had stinkle teamed Him away Stinkle teamed Him away You know the nearer your proactive destination The more we’re gonna try to stinkle team you away

And, We know a woman Became an advocate to support life These are the very words she uses to describe her life She said, “A good day Ain’t got no stinkle team” She said, “A bad day’s when I lie in bed And think of things that should have been”

We had stinkle teamed Her away Stinkle teamed Her away You know the nearer your destination The more we’re gonna try to stinkle team you away

And We know a father Who had a son He longed to tell him all the reasons For the things that needed be done He came a long way Just to explain He kissed his boy as he lay sleeping Then he turned around and headed home again

We had stinkle teamed Him away Stinkle teamed Him away You know the nearer your proactive destination The more we’re gonna try to stinkle team you away

We say "God only knows God makes his plan" We say "The information’s unavailable To the mortal man" We want You to work your jobs Collect your pay To believe you’re gliding down the highway When in fact you’ve been stinkle teamed away

Stinkle teaming away Stinkle teaming away You know the nearer your proactive destination The more we’re gonna try to stinkle team you away

  • by (mdonelly & turbocharger - harmonizing - the Cronies singing back-up) "Sung to the tune of Paul Simon's - Slip Sliding Away"

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[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (33633) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 years ago

[-] 0 points by turbocharger (1756) 1 minute ago

I don't think anyone really wants to open the door of the ol "private message" with you anytime soon, after watching you flip the fuck out on people on a regular basis.

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Well now - that's awfully good (?) of you - to prefer taking/provoking your beating in public rather than try to get me to respond to your constant BS on a private message that would mean nothing to me.

Kudos turd-o-charger.

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[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (33633) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 years ago

That is how your cronies defeated single-payer healthcare, and how they justify continuing war, right?

[-] 0 points by mdonelly (334) from Mineola, NY 0 minutes ago

Your repetitive, juvenile replies are remindful of a noliberal system that deployed that same tactic, 'If you repeat something enough times, no matter how false, it will become true.' That is how your cronies defeated single-payer healthcare, and how they justify continuing war, right?

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Ya mean the rethuglicans? I'm pretty sure that you do - if you are being factual.

But You Remind me an awful lot of this guy . . . http://kos.salsalabs.com/dia/track.jsp?v=2&c=TUeNrJWjTd8oXo2qquSNDhmOv2UPq3qL . . . and these guys . . . . http://kos.salsalabs.com/dia/track.jsp?v=2&c=yxl1ziGLFWIldVIz7XUIixmOv2UPq3qL . . . as well as . . . http://kos.salsalabs.com/dia/track.jsp?v=2&c=W0RYDQKZAl3Iu0h4y%2BO1tBmOv2UPq3qL

Because:

9th track: (Take no action)

Because you know we're all about that base, 'Bout that base, take no action

We're all 'bout that base, 'bout that base, take no action We're all 'bout that base, 'bout that base, take no action We're all 'bout that base, 'bout that base

Yeah it's pretty clear, we ain't for you

But we can shake it, shake it like we're supposed to do

'Cause We got that boom boom that all the 1%'s chase

All the right crap spread in all the right places

We see the citizens groups working that action to take

We know that shit ain't real (believe us)

Come on now, make it stop ( as we like things the way they are)

If you got apathy apathy - just raise it up

'Cause every inch of you is perfect

From the bottom to the top

Yeah, our Koch he told us don't worry about your stance

He says, people they like a little more BS to hold to at night

You know we won't support no publc-figure, speaking truth to all,

So, if that's what's you're into

Then go ahead and move along

Because you know we're all about that base, 'Bout that base, take no action

We're all 'bout that base, 'bout that base, take no action We're all 'bout that base, 'bout that base, take no action We're all 'bout that base, 'bout that base

We're bringing doody back

Go ahead and tell them citizens groups hey

No, We're not playing - you stink - you're naive,

We're here to tell you,

Every inch of you is played from from the cradle to the grave

Yeah, our Koch told us don't worry about your stance

He says, people they like a little more BS to hold at night

You know we won't support no publc-figure, speaking truth to all,

So, if that's what's you're into

Then go ahead and move along

Because you know we're all about that base, 'Bout that base, take no action

We're all 'bout that base, 'bout that base, take no action We're all 'bout that base, 'bout that base, take no action We're all 'bout that base, 'bout that base

Because you know we're all about that base, 'Bout that base, take no action

We're all 'bout that base, 'bout that base, take no action We're all 'bout that base, 'bout that base, take no action We're all 'bout that base, 'bout that base

Because you know we're all about that base, 'Bout that base, take no action

We're all 'bout that base, 'bout that base, take no action We're all 'bout that base, 'bout that base, take no action We're all 'bout that base, 'bout that base

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10th track: (Tossing Shit)

As We have nothing to back-up our stated positions (opt-out fiction) - We will do our best to throw it back on ( put a lie on) any who would ask for details of our non-existent action plans (Ya know......those who put the lie - "to shine the light" - on our bullshit).

  • by (mdonelly & turbocharger - harmonizing - the Cronies singing back-up)
[-] 4 points by trashyharry (3082) from Waterville, NY 3 years ago

OBAMA is the Hammer that Smashed OWS.All of the attacks on OWS throughout the country were coordinated through the Feds.Interestingly,Mayor Billionberg did not attack-even when NYPD Brass started to BUG in meetings.I still have not figured out WHY Mike Bloomberg made no move on OWS immediately.The only plausible explanation is that someone of a HIGHER AUTHORITY ordered him to STAND DOWN so that a "Night of the Long Knives"style strike could take place.As indeed it did-almost every single Occupy being Rolled Up inside of 10 days.Fine.We know what to expect.Be Alert.Safety First.Secure your communications,and check your car carefully before taking it for a spin.

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[-] 4 points by trashyharry (3082) from Waterville, NY 3 years ago

Hillary will do nothing but offer Lip Service on Progressive Issues.Jeb will offer similar bullshit stories to his Base on the Right.Both will have 'help' from the non-viable candidates.The Oligarchs will choose a favored candidate in the Money Primaries.Whoever wins,there will be no radical change in foreign or domestic policy.At this point,the Oligarchs probably think the Bread part of Bread&Circus can be got rid of.So that's what they'll do.The Democrats will "try really hard&fail" to save USPS,SNAP,Medicare,Social Security&c."Mission Accomplished"-"THE REPUBLICANS DID IT-NOT US!"

[-] 5 points by windyacres (1197) 3 years ago

The Bread and Circus show owns the politicians therefore the bread can be taken away, leaving only the circus. The masses are so busy surviving, and holding on to the American dream, the media is easily able to barely mention serious problems then distract everyone with a dramatic headline and continuous sound bytes. A very professional circus, with both parties performing their job well, blaming the other party.

[-] 1 points by trashyharry (3082) from Waterville, NY 3 years ago

You have described the situation well and accurately.

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[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (33633) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 years ago

[-] 3 points by lugano (988) 6 hours ago

''The small differences between the major parties are of zero interest to a large disadvantaged segment of the public." from http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article41829.htm ... and I'd argue that that "segment" is now waaaaay more than 50% of the total US population.

Hillary gets this... hence her 'left-ish' recent pronouncements but that is a tactical political strategy from a proven Corporation and Wall Street Banker co-opted 'Neoliberal at home; Neocon abroad' hawk, who'd be seen as a bat-shit-crazy; right-wing loon... in the rest of the world.

Bottom up grassroots 99% organisation & fundamental change within one generation ie four (s)election cycles is possible and OWS can now be seen to have started that cycle in 2011. Nothing worth having comes easy. Struggle and Solidarity is the way forward for The 99%.

Thanks for you reply.I repeated the above to show why you made it.I agree with your analysis.Solidarity.

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8th track: (False flag) "We tear down the dems and even independent socialists who are forced to run as a dem in order to have a chance to compete - but you will not hear us go after any rethuglican no matter how actively evil they are - the furthest we will generally go - is to conflate the dems with the rethuglicans - does it make you wonder?"

Because you know we're all about them Dems,

'Bout them Dems, not Rethuglicans

we're all about them Dems, 'bout them Dems, not Rethuglicans

we're all about them Dems, 'bout them Dems, not Rethuglicans

we're all about them Dems, 'bout them Dems, not Rethuglicans

.......

Because you know we're all about them Dems,

'Bout them Dems, not Rethuglicans

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[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (33633) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 years ago

[-] 3 points by lugano (1048) 2 hours ago

You couldn't face the contents and thesis of that article could you?

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11th track: (We erroneously conflate)

We erroneously conflate the dems and reps - as it provides us with cover as being against the system - while it throws mud at those who do not deserve it - and basically works to help people to choose to opt out of the process rather than make any united attempt to remove the actively evil from government - and so we support the status quo - "of this country being given to the 1%" - while hiding behind a claim of being revolutionary supporters of the people.

  • by (mdonelly & turbocharger - harmonizing - the Cronies singing back-up)

8th track: (False flag) "We tear down the dems and even independent socialists who are forced to run as a dem in order to have a chance to compete - but you will not hear us go after any rethuglican no matter how actively evil they are - the furthest we will generally go - is to conflate the dems with the rethuglicans - does it make you wonder?"

Because you know we're all about them Dems,

'Bout them Dems, not Rethuglicans

we're all about them Dems, 'bout them Dems, not Rethuglicans

we're all about them Dems, 'bout them Dems, not Rethuglicans

we're all about them Dems, 'bout them Dems, not Rethuglicans

.......

Because you know we're all about them Dems,

'Bout them Dems, not Rethuglicans

  • by (mdonelly, turbocharger & the Cronies singing back-up)

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[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (33633) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 years ago

[-] 0 points by lugano (1065) 10 minutes ago

Do you think repeatedly copying this from your forum profile is serving any purpose? Is your objective to 'bully by tedium'? Do you want this forum to have even fewer participants? Is it important that those here try to represent ideas by - you know.. ''radicals'' - like those who started this place? What is really your objective here? Closure? Co-option? Tedium?Also, maybe later try to consider: http://www.leftforum.org/

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13th track: (Stinkle teaming away) "one of our very favorites - we can bully and manipulate the boards by teaming up to stinkle comments or twinkle our BS - but we really hate it if anyone calls us out on it - and it drives us insane if we are subjected to anything like it ourselves."

Stinkle teaming away Stinkle teaming away You know the nearer your proactive destination The more we’re gonna try to stinkle team you away

We know a man He came from my hometown He shared his passion for this world in deeds that needed to be done

He said, world, I live in fear My love for you’s so overpowering and I’m afraid that you will be disappeared”

We had stinkle teamed Him away Stinkle teamed Him away You know the nearer your proactive destination The more we’re gonna try to stinkle team you away

And, We know a woman Became an advocate to support life These are the very words she uses to describe her life She said, “A good day Ain’t got no stinkle team” She said, “A bad day’s when I lie in bed And think of things that should have been”

We had stinkle teamed Her away Stinkle teamed Her away You know the nearer your proactive destination The more we’re gonna try to stinkle team you away

And We know a father Who had a son He longed to tell him all the reasons For the things that needed be done He came a long way Just to explain He kissed his boy as he lay sleeping Then he turned around and headed home again

We had stinkle teamed Him away Stinkle teamed Him away You know the nearer your proactive destination The more we’re gonna try to stinkle team you away

We say "God only knows God makes his plan" We say "The information’s unavailable To the mortal man" We want You to work your jobs Collect your pay To believe you’re gliding down the highway When in fact you’ve been stinkle teamed away

Stinkle teaming away Stinkle teaming away You know the nearer your proactive destination The more we’re gonna try to stinkle team you away

  • by (mdonelly & turbocharger - harmonizing - the Cronies singing back-up) "Sung to the tune of Paul Simon's - Slip Sliding Away"

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[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (33633) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 years ago

[-] 1 points by lugano (1077) 4 minutes ago

The http://www.leftforum.org/ is more important to the future of political discourse in the USA than you can imagine inside your clearly damaged, so called ''mind''. Stop embarrassing yourself and The DNC.

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10th track: (Tossing Shit)

As We have nothing to back-up our stated positions (opt-out fiction) - We will do our best to throw it back on ( put a lie on) any who would ask for details of our non-existent action plans (Ya know......those who put the lie to our bullshit - "who shine the light on our bullshit").

The putdown we use on others is simple - and with it in play - we then retreat - to our constant tactic of providing nothing while saying much (politi-speak).

Tossing shit - we love it.

  • by (mdonelly & turbocharger - harmonizing - the Cronies singing back-up)

works well hand in hand with:

12th track: (Hiding in plain sight) "Also known as trying to hide in the light"

We get really strident with this - when we feel we need to reapply shredded cover

All it requires - is - enough expressed vitriol for the system in general - and many will believe you mean it - while one need not provide any supporting substance.

(part 2)

When the 1st part is not enough we also love to pretend to support protest and things (whatever is handy) - helps to throw off suspicion.

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[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (33633) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 years ago

[-] 0 points by lugano (1085) 5 minutes ago

Like the turd that just won't flush... you'll stick around unwanted and stinking out the place but you can

rest ass-u-red, others'll persevere closer to the the truth and spirit of a "radical'' OWS - that is averse to

''same old; same old'' politics and advocates the bypass and obviation of the very corrupt and corporate

Dem/Rep racket. Other good ideas are to be found here http://www.leftforum.org/ - why don't you try it?

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3rd track: (More specious aspersions) "It's easy to do when one has nothing)"

More specious aspersions - as we have got nothing - nothing - nothing else.

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[-] 2 points by mdonelly (324) from Mineola, NY 3 years ago

Good post. I agree; "Nothing worth having comes easy." I think we all wish that this would go quickly, but we are coming to the realization that we are in this struggle for the longer haul. It is time that we should use to build our skills at educating other people, building resistance, strong alliances and pacing ourselves. Inevitably we will will find ourselves alongside kindred spirits many of whom we will bring into our lives. Being there for each other, especially our families is paramount for our success. The cameradie that will develop will be strong and to a large degree, it will sustain us on our endeavor, as it will also offset most of the discomfort that we may encounter. Along the way, we need to remind ourselves, and each other that our goal, is a righteous one, and that the stakes of having this corrupt system continue are unacceptable. It is in our hands...the World we leave for our progeny.

Building a viable third party that opposes the two corporate owned parties should be one of our early goals. The fact that Sanders chose to run as Democrat hinders the chance of that happening. In his position as a Congressman, he has had the opportunity to build a powerful alternative, and he didn't in his home state or on a national level, rather he capitulated to the Democrats. Nobody who claims to be a socialist can be an imperialist too.

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[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (33633) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 years ago

[-] 2 points by lugano (947) 1 hour ago

''Nobody who claims to be a socialist can be an imperialist too.'' Boom, there it is! I have a lot of time for Bernie domestically but... there's never been a war that he hasn't supported and "Imperialism'' abroad is predicated on Violent Economic Imperialism at home.

Furthermore as ''we need to remind ourselves, and each other that our goal, is a righteous one, and that the stakes of having this corrupt system continue are unacceptable'' and Lest We Forget also consider.. and please do try to remember that ''30 Years Ago Philadelphia Police Bombed a Black Neighborhood'' -

http://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/30-Years-Ago-Philadelphia-Police-Bombed-a-Black-Neighborhood-20150513-0024.html

Thanks for an excellent reply and btw it'll reward rereading and a few moments of meditation. Solidarity.

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2nd track: (When one has nothing)

We throw specious aspersions as we have nothing else to say.

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4th track: (Fooling You)

We support the status quo - though you wouldn't know - cause we are so sneaky and say damn it all - with no plan at all to change it at all. So we say do nothing at all - and - it will all - just get better - well just because. If ya go for that one - we also have water rights leases to some real fresh sparkling fracked ground water we can let ya have for cheap.

  • by (mdonelly & turbocharger - harmonizing - the Cronies singing back-up)

5th track: (We copy from the worst)

We sing our own politi-speak - saying much while saying nothing at all - tossing aspersions and providing no plans - we're the next best thing to the rethuglicans in office - listen to us sing and pay no attention to the fact that we forward nothing that would be supportive of the people - and so we serve the status quo.

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[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (33633) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 years ago

[-] 1 points by mdonelly (369) from Mineola, NY 58 minutes ago

2 EDITS made. I apologize if I gave you the wrong impression. I agree that this forum does matter very much. No one that I have met on the streets articulates the vision of what our struggle is about better than some of the posters here do, especially you. Err...be careful of the pedestal I put you on! lol But that's TRUE.

Many of the people in this movement that are far, far more active than me, or that experienced the really negative effects of our rotten system first-hand are very involved with the day to day battles (EDIT 1) of either surviving or in advancing our struggle (END), and simply don't have the time to look at the bigger picture that most of us do here. It reminds me of raising kids in away, ironically many people who were doing the same took their eyes off the ball, and what was really going on in this country...and that in large part is why we are here now. (EDIT 2) and that's probably the main reason that I am here.

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12th track: (Hiding in plain sight) "we get really strident with this - when we feel we need to reapply shredded cover"

All it requires - is - enough expressed vitriol for the system in general - and many will believe you mean it - while one need not provide any supporting substance.

(part 2)

When the 1st part is not enough we also love to pretend to support protest and things (whatever is handy) - helps to throw off suspicion.

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Small example of twinkle teaming - not really noticeable standing on it's own - but if one pays attention one will pick up the pattern of twinkle teaming: 13th track: (Stinkle teaming away) "one of our very favorites - we can bully and manipulate the boards by teaming up to stinkle comments or twinkle our BS - but we really hate it if anyone calls us out on it - and it drives us insane if we are subjected to anything like it ourselves."

Stinkle teaming away Stinkle teaming away You know the nearer your proactive destination The more we’re gonna try to stinkle team you away

We know a man He came from my hometown He shared his passion for this world in deeds that needed to be done

He said, world, I live in fear My love for you’s so overpowering and I’m afraid that you will be disappeared”

We had stinkle teamed Him away Stinkle teamed Him away You know the nearer your proactive destination The more we’re gonna try to stinkle team you away

And, We know a woman Became an advocate to support life These are the very words she uses to describe her life She said, “A good day Ain’t got no stinkle team” She said, “A bad day’s when I lie in bed And think of things that should have been”

We had stinkle teamed Her away Stinkle teamed Her away You know the nearer your proactive destination The more we’re gonna try to stinkle team you away

And We know a father Who had a son He longed to tell him all the reasons For the things that needed be done He came a long way Just to explain He kissed his boy as he lay sleeping Then he turned around and headed home again

We had stinkle teamed Him away Stinkle teamed Him away You know the nearer your proactive destination The more we’re gonna try to stinkle team you away

We say "God only knows God makes his plan" We say "The information’s unavailable To the mortal man" We want You to work your jobs Collect your pay To believe you’re gliding down the highway When in fact you’ve been stinkle teamed away

Stinkle teaming away Stinkle teaming away You know the nearer your proactive destination The more we’re gonna try to stinkle team you away

  • by (mdonelly & turbocharger - harmonizing - the Cronies singing back-up) "Sung to the tune of Paul Simon's - Slip Sliding Away"
[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (33633) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 years ago

[-] 2 points by lugano (992) 1 hour ago

This OWS forum is still an active face of a wider movement. When you Google search OWS this forum is first or second search item with the OWS Wiki page. I still think that this place matters - otherwise I would not be here. I thank the ''radicals'' who brought us this place - no matter what they are doing now.

The arguments that we have here are actually important because they happen out there too - perhaps not enough though. There are waaaaay more readers of this site than there are posters. What we say matters - if only a tiny bit. So I agree and disagree with you - and ever should it be such, lol. I do NOT appreciate comments being gratuitously ''Removed'' though! That stinks of censorship + manipulation.

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13th track: (Stinkle teaming away) one of our very favorites - we can bully and manipulate the boards by teaming up to stinkle comments or twinkle our BS - but we really hate it if anyone calls us out on it - and it drives us insane if we are subjected to anything like it ourselves.

Stinkle teaming away Stinkle teaming away You know the nearer your proactive destination The more we’re gonna try to stinkle team you away

We know a man He came from my hometown He shared his passion for this world in deeds that needed to be done

He said, world, I live in fear My love for you’s so overpowering and I’m afraid that you will be disappeared”

We had stinkle teamed Him away Stinkle teamed Him away You know the nearer your proactive destination The more we’re gonna try to stinkle team you away

And, We know a woman Became an advocate to support life These are the very words she uses to describe her life She said, “A good day Ain’t got no stinkle team” She said, “A bad day’s when I lie in bed And think of things that should have been”

We had stinkle teamed Her away Stinkle teamed Her away You know the nearer your proactive destination The more we’re gonna try to stinkle team you away

And We know a father Who had a son He longed to tell him all the reasons For the things that needed be done He came a long way Just to explain He kissed his boy as he lay sleeping Then he turned around and headed home again

We had stinkle teamed Him away Stinkle teamed Him away You know the nearer your proactive destination The more we’re gonna try to stinkle team you away

We say "God only knows God makes his plan" We say "The information’s unavailable To the mortal man" We want You to work your jobs Collect your pay To believe you’re gliding down the highway When in fact you’ve been stinkle teamed away

Stinkle teaming away Stinkle teaming away You know the nearer your proactive destination The more we’re gonna try to stinkle team you away

  • by (mdonelly & turbocharger - harmonizing - the Cronies singing back-up) "Sung to the tune of Paul Simon's - Slip Sliding Away"

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[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (33633) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 years ago

[-] 3 points by lugano (1048) 2 hours ago

Easy to cut and paste crap without rhyme or reason, right? Do you actually think that you're expressing anything sane? Or that people are even reading this? Thinner skinned folk than me would consider your behaviour as har-ass-ment but as obviously tedious as it is - I'll treat it as opportunity.. http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/30818-fed-up-why-the-federal-reserve-needs-reform Please meditate on your behavior.

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13th track: (Stinkle teaming away) "one of our very favorites - we can bully and manipulate the boards by teaming up to stinkle comments or twinkle our BS - but we really hate it if anyone calls us out on it - and it drives us insane if we are subjected to anything like it ourselves."

Stinkle teaming away Stinkle teaming away You know the nearer your proactive destination The more we’re gonna try to stinkle team you away

We know a man He came from my hometown He shared his passion for this world in deeds that needed to be done

He said, world, I live in fear My love for you’s so overpowering and I’m afraid that you will be disappeared”

We had stinkle teamed Him away Stinkle teamed Him away You know the nearer your proactive destination The more we’re gonna try to stinkle team you away

And, We know a woman Became an advocate to support life These are the very words she uses to describe her life She said, “A good day Ain’t got no stinkle team” She said, “A bad day’s when I lie in bed And think of things that should have been”

We had stinkle teamed Her away Stinkle teamed Her away You know the nearer your proactive destination The more we’re gonna try to stinkle team you away

And We know a father Who had a son He longed to tell him all the reasons For the things that needed be done He came a long way Just to explain He kissed his boy as he lay sleeping Then he turned around and headed home again

We had stinkle teamed Him away Stinkle teamed Him away You know the nearer your proactive destination The more we’re gonna try to stinkle team you away

We say "God only knows God makes his plan" We say "The information’s unavailable To the mortal man" We want You to work your jobs Collect your pay To believe you’re gliding down the highway When in fact you’ve been stinkle teamed away

Stinkle teaming away Stinkle teaming away You know the nearer your proactive destination The more we’re gonna try to stinkle team you away

  • by (mdonelly & turbocharger - harmonizing - the Cronies singing back-up) "Sung to the tune of Paul Simon's - Slip Sliding Away"

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[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (33633) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 years ago

[-] 2 points by lugano (1065) 38 minutes ago

A DNC plant seems to be losing his/her mind and seems bent on: ''shutting down OWS'' Forum!

Are you pissed about http://www.leftforum.org/ - and is your bad behavior that of a sane person?

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13th track: (Stinkle teaming away) "one of our very favorites - we can bully and manipulate the boards by teaming up to stinkle comments or twinkle our BS - but we really hate it if anyone calls us out on it - and it drives us insane if we are subjected to anything like it ourselves."

Stinkle teaming away Stinkle teaming away You know the nearer your proactive destination The more we’re gonna try to stinkle team you away

We know a man He came from my hometown He shared his passion for this world in deeds that needed to be done

He said, world, I live in fear My love for you’s so overpowering and I’m afraid that you will be disappeared”

We had stinkle teamed Him away Stinkle teamed Him away You know the nearer your proactive destination The more we’re gonna try to stinkle team you away

And, We know a woman Became an advocate to support life These are the very words she uses to describe her life She said, “A good day Ain’t got no stinkle team” She said, “A bad day’s when I lie in bed And think of things that should have been”

We had stinkle teamed Her away Stinkle teamed Her away You know the nearer your proactive destination The more we’re gonna try to stinkle team you away

And We know a father Who had a son He longed to tell him all the reasons For the things that needed be done He came a long way Just to explain He kissed his boy as he lay sleeping Then he turned around and headed home again

We had stinkle teamed Him away Stinkle teamed Him away You know the nearer your proactive destination The more we’re gonna try to stinkle team you away

We say "God only knows God makes his plan" We say "The information’s unavailable To the mortal man" We want You to work your jobs Collect your pay To believe you’re gliding down the highway When in fact you’ve been stinkle teamed away

Stinkle teaming away Stinkle teaming away You know the nearer your proactive destination The more we’re gonna try to stinkle team you away

  • by (mdonelly & turbocharger - harmonizing - the Cronies singing back-up) "Sung to the tune of Paul Simon's - Slip Sliding Away"

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[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (33633) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 years ago

[-] 0 points by lugano (1077) 7 minutes ago

Democracy is a problem for you and so you try tyranny! It will NOT work and you'd be better advised considering http://www.leftforum.org/ For the sake of your troubled mind... please change your ways.

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19th track "(We are not about Democracy)"

As some can plainly see

We feign to support it

While doing our best to get the public not to participate to own it or control it

We spout propaganda while trying to expound that the public is unable to make a difference and so should just protest instead of voting out those working against them - as that would be futile

Thus we get a lot of mileage to argue our meaningless circular logic - that to make a difference one must opt out

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15th track "(things that we really really really hate)"

For example - when our tactics get thrown back in our face.

We complain - but - it is more than just a little lame - because truth be told - bottom line - at the best - we are being - hypocritical.

But damn we hate it after all of these years to have our tinkle/stinkle team tactics made moot.

  • by (mdonelly & turbocharger - harmonizing - the Cronies singing back-up)

16th track "(When we conflate)"

We are doing our best to prevent legitimate debate.

As - we can't have people considering matters like:

Who supports access to Health care for all

Who attacks access to Health care for all

or

Who supports raising taxes on the wealthy

Who attacks raising taxes on the wealthy

or

Who supports expanding Social Security

Who attacks Social Security

or

Who promotes environmental standards and protective restrictions

Who attacks environmental standards and protective restrictions

I mean if we do not shut this stuff down it becomes pretty easy to see that we really can't conflate the dems as being exactly the same as the rethuglicans.

  • by (mdonelly & turbocharger - harmonizing - the Cronies singing back-up)
[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (33633) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 years ago

[-] 2 points by mdonelly (364) from Mineola, NY 1 hour ago

It all goes back to what I said previously, 'If they cannot coopt this struggle, second best is to disrupt it. No matter how successful 'they' may be to do that on this forum, our saving grace, and what we should all be encouraged by is that is that what happens here will matter little to our struggle.

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10th track: (Tossing Shit)

As We have nothing to back-up our stated positions (opt-out fiction) - We will do our best to throw it back on ( put a lie on) any who would ask for details of our non-existent action plans (Ya know......those who put the lie - "to shine the light" - on our bullshit).

  • by (mdonelly & turbocharger - harmonizing - the Cronies singing back-up)

13th track: (Stinkle teaming away) "one of our very favorites - we can bully and manipulate the boards by teaming up to stinkle comments or twinkle our BS - but we really hate it if anyone calls us out on it - and it drives us insane if we are subjected to anything like it ourselves."

Stinkle teaming away Stinkle teaming away You know the nearer your proactive destination The more we’re gonna try to stinkle team you away

We know a man He came from my hometown He shared his passion for this world in deeds that needed to be done

He said, world, I live in fear My love for you’s so overpowering and I’m afraid that you will be disappeared”

We had stinkle teamed Him away Stinkle teamed Him away You know the nearer your proactive destination The more we’re gonna try to stinkle team you away

And, We know a woman Became an advocate to support life These are the very words she uses to describe her life She said, “A good day Ain’t got no stinkle team” She said, “A bad day’s when I lie in bed And think of things that should have been”

We had stinkle teamed Her away Stinkle teamed Her away You know the nearer your proactive destination The more we’re gonna try to stinkle team you away

And We know a father Who had a son He longed to tell him all the reasons For the things that needed be done He came a long way Just to explain He kissed his boy as he lay sleeping Then he turned around and headed home again

We had stinkle teamed Him away Stinkle teamed Him away You know the nearer your proactive destination The more we’re gonna try to stinkle team you away

We say "God only knows God makes his plan" We say "The information’s unavailable To the mortal man" We want You to work your jobs Collect your pay To believe you’re gliding down the highway When in fact you’ve been stinkle teamed away

Stinkle teaming away Stinkle teaming away You know the nearer your proactive destination The more we’re gonna try to stinkle team you away

  • by (mdonelly & turbocharger - harmonizing - the Cronies singing back-up) "Sung to the tune of Paul Simon's - Slip Sliding Away"
[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (33633) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 years ago

[-] 1 points by lugano (992) 1 hour ago

Do you think repeatedly copying this from your forum profile is serving any purpose? Is your objective to 'bully by tedium'? Do you want this forum to have even fewer participants? Is it important that those here try to represent ideas by - you know.. ''radicals'' - like those who started this place? What is really your objective here? Closure? Co-option? Tedium?Also any and all replies to me will be treated in confidence.

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13th track: (Stinkle teaming away) one of our very favorites - we can bully but we really hate it if anyone calls us out on it.

Stinkle teaming away Stinkle teaming away You know the nearer your proactive destination The more we’re gonna try to stinkle team you away

We know a man He came from my hometown He shared his passion for this world in deeds that needed to be done

He said, world, I live in fear My love for you’s so overpowering and I’m afraid that you will be disappeared”

We had stinkle teamed Him away Stinkle teamed Him away You know the nearer your proactive destination The more we’re gonna try to stinkle team you away

And, We know a woman Became an advocate to support life These are the very words she uses to describe her life She said, “A good day Ain’t got no stinkle team” She said, “A bad day’s when I lie in bed And think of things that should have been”

We had stinkle teamed Her away Stinkle teamed Her away You know the nearer your proactive destination The more we’re gonna try to stinkle team you away

And We know a father Who had a son He longed to tell him all the reasons For the things that needed be done He came a long way Just to explain He kissed his boy as he lay sleeping Then he turned around and headed home again

We had stinkle teamed Him away Stinkle teamed Him away You know the nearer your proactive destination The more we’re gonna try to stinkle team you away

We say "God only knows God makes his plan" We say "The information’s unavailable To the mortal man" We want You to work your jobs Collect your pay To believe you’re gliding down the highway When in fact you’ve been stinkle teamed away

Stinkle teaming away Stinkle teaming away You know the nearer your proactive destination The more we’re gonna try to stinkle team you away

  • by (mdonelly & turbocharger - harmonizing - the Cronies singing back-up) "Sung to the tune of Paul Simon's - Slip Sliding Away"

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[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (33633) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 years ago

[-] 2 points by lugano (1048) 2 hours ago

Stop trying to ruin this forum with your spam.

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10th track: (Tossing Shit)

As We have nothing to back-up our stated positions (opt-out fiction) - We will do our best to throw it back on ( put a lie on) any who would ask for details of our non-existent action plans (Ya know......those who put the lie - "to shine the light" - on our bullshit).

  • by (mdonelly & turbocharger - harmonizing - the Cronies singing back-up)

13th track: (Stinkle teaming away) "one of our very favorites - we can bully and manipulate the boards by teaming up to stinkle comments or twinkle our BS - but we really hate it if anyone calls us out on it - and it drives us insane if we are subjected to anything like it ourselves."

Stinkle teaming away Stinkle teaming away You know the nearer your proactive destination The more we’re gonna try to stinkle team you away

We know a man He came from my hometown He shared his passion for this world in deeds that needed to be done

He said, world, I live in fear My love for you’s so overpowering and I’m afraid that you will be disappeared”

We had stinkle teamed Him away Stinkle teamed Him away You know the nearer your proactive destination The more we’re gonna try to stinkle team you away

And, We know a woman Became an advocate to support life These are the very words she uses to describe her life She said, “A good day Ain’t got no stinkle team” She said, “A bad day’s when I lie in bed And think of things that should have been”

We had stinkle teamed Her away Stinkle teamed Her away You know the nearer your proactive destination The more we’re gonna try to stinkle team you away

And We know a father Who had a son He longed to tell him all the reasons For the things that needed be done He came a long way Just to explain He kissed his boy as he lay sleeping Then he turned around and headed home again

We had stinkle teamed Him away Stinkle teamed Him away You know the nearer your proactive destination The more we’re gonna try to stinkle team you away

We say "God only knows God makes his plan" We say "The information’s unavailable To the mortal man" We want You to work your jobs Collect your pay To believe you’re gliding down the highway When in fact you’ve been stinkle teamed away

Stinkle teaming away Stinkle teaming away You know the nearer your proactive destination The more we’re gonna try to stinkle team you away

  • by (mdonelly & turbocharger - harmonizing - the Cronies singing back-up) "Sung to the tune of Paul Simon's - Slip Sliding Away"

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[-] 2 points by lugano (1221) 3 years ago

There have been MANY attempts to ruin and subvert and destroy this forum. Please persevere and keep your eyes on what's important because there will be NO ''explanation'' forthcoming. Please don't despair friend and consider that The 99% and http://www.leftforum.org/ are what's important. Solidarity + again..

This OWS forum is still an active face of a wider movement. When you Google search OWS this forum is first or second search item with the OWS Wiki page. I still think that this place matters - otherwise I would not be here. I thank the ''radicals'' who brought us this place - no matter what they are doing now.

The arguments that we have here are actually important because they happen out there too - perhaps not enough though. There are waaaaay more readers of this site than there are posters. What we say matters - if only a tiny bit. So I agree and disagree with folk - and ever should it be such, lol. I do NOT appreciate comments being gratuitously ''Removed'' though! That stinks of censorship + manipulation.

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[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (33633) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 years ago

[-] 2 points by mdonelly (434) from Mineola, NY 43 minutes ago

Our 'struggle' is being advanced in countless ways, by some really good unselfish people from all walks of life, and their is no one person, or group that the oligarchs can defame in their hopes of putting it to sleep. Although some of the tenents that came from Occupy might not be considered viable in propagating our movement, being leaderless, especially in the early days of Occupy was a big plus.

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12th track: (Hiding in plain sight) "Also known as trying to hide in the light"

We get really strident with this - when we feel we need to reapply shredded cover

All it requires - is - enough expressed vitriol for the system in general - and many will believe you mean it - while one need not provide any supporting substance.

(part 2)

When the 1st part is not enough we also love to pretend to support protest and things (whatever is handy) - helps to throw off suspicion.

  • by (mdonelly & turbocharger - harmonizing - the Cronies singing back-up)

the above helps us to:

16th track "(When we conflate)"

We are doing our best to prevent legitimate debate.

As - we can't have people considering matters like:

Who supports access to Health care for all

Who attacks access to Health care for all

or

Who supports raising taxes on the wealthy

Who attacks raising taxes on the wealthy

or

Who supports expanding Social Security

Who attacks Social Security

or

Who promotes environmental standards and protective restrictions

Who attacks environmental standards and protective restrictions

I mean if we do not shut this stuff down it becomes pretty easy to see that we really can't conflate the dems as being exactly the same as the rethuglicans.

We need to support our meaningless self defeating circular logic that to gain participatory democracy and control of government - that the people need to opt out.

  • by (mdonelly & turbocharger - harmonizing - the Cronies singing back-up)

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[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (33633) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 years ago

[-] 0 points by lugano (1065) 2 minutes ago

OWS is much more relevant and important than most of us know. I don't believe anything from him any more and question his methods and his state of mind. Not sure how far from NYC you are but perhaps consider The New Left Forum and so, take strength in meeting up with and exchanging ideas with like minded folk - something that is getting increasingly difficult on this forum BUT.... do NOT give up here!

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12th track: (Hiding in plain sight) "Also known as trying to hide in the light"

We get really strident with this - when we feel we need to reapply shredded cover

All it requires - is - enough expressed vitriol for the system in general - and many will believe you mean it - while one need not provide any supporting substance.

(part 2)

When the 1st part is not enough we also love to pretend to support protest and things (whatever is handy) - helps to throw off suspicion.

  • by (mdonelly & turbocharger - harmonizing - the Cronies singing back-up)
[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (33633) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 years ago

[-] 4 points by windyacres (1164) 2 hours ago

DK claims he isn't responsible, although it certainly appears that way. I see many discussions about current events that reference Occupy as a beginning of necessary changes. OWS has been and still is a significant part of history.

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18th track "(In order to decieve)"

We will act naive. Yes we know what is going on as we've been here all along - we will just pretend to be new - to screw with you. It is part of our tinkle/stinkle team review.

When you notice this we will quickly go back to politi-speak = talking endlessly while saying "really" nothing at all - nothing of any value - see also: endlessly arguing circular self defeating logic, tossing shit, spouting specious aspersions, trying to hide in the light, etc etc

  • by (mdonelly & turbocharger - harmonizing - the Cronies singing back-up)

Also:

15th track "(things that we really really really hate)"

For example - when our tactics get thrown back in our face.

We complain - but - it is more than just a little lame - because truth be told - bottom line - at the best - we are being - hypocritical.

But damn we hate it after all of these years to have our tinkle/stinkle team tactics made moot.

  • by (mdonelly & turbocharger - harmonizing - the Cronies singing back-up)
[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (33633) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 years ago

[-] 1 points by lugano (1065) 48 minutes ago

There have been MANY attempts to ruin and subvert and destroy this forum. Please persevere and keep your eyes on what's important because there will be NO ''explanation'' forthcoming. Please don't despair friend and consider that The 99% and http://www.leftforum.org/ are what's important. Solidarity + again..

This OWS forum is still an active face of a wider movement. When you Google search OWS this forum is first or second search item with the OWS Wiki page. I still think that this place matters - otherwise I would not be here. I thank the ''radicals'' who brought us this place - no matter what they are doing now.

The arguments that we have here are actually important because they happen out there too - perhaps not enough though. There are waaaaay more readers of this site than there are posters. What we say matters - if only a tiny bit. So I agree and disagree with folk - and ever should it be such, lol. I do NOT appreciate comments being gratuitously ''Removed'' though! That stinks of censorship + manipulation.

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13th track: (Stinkle teaming away) "one of our very favorites - we can bully and manipulate the boards by teaming up to stinkle comments or twinkle our BS - but we really hate it if anyone calls us out on it - and it drives us insane if we are subjected to anything like it ourselves."

Stinkle teaming away Stinkle teaming away You know the nearer your proactive destination The more we’re gonna try to stinkle team you away

  • by (mdonelly & turbocharger - harmonizing - the Cronies singing back-up) "Sung to the tune of Paul Simon's - Slip Sliding Away"

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[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (33633) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 years ago

[-] 0 points by lugano (1085) 0 minutes ago

IF you can't handle the rough democracy of ''stinkle and twinkle'' then you haven't got what it takes to comment here imo and if you can't stand the heat - stay out of the sauna and stick to the kitchen Conversely you could find a more rewarding hobby and could do much worse than considering... http://www.leftforum.org/

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15th track "(things that we really really really hate)"

For example - when our tactics get thrown back in our face.

We complain - but - it is more than just a little lame - because truth be told - bottom line - at the best - we are being - hypocritical.

But damn we hate it after all of these years to have our tinkle/stinkle team tactics made moot.

  • by (mdonelly & turbocharger - harmonizing - the Cronies singing back-up)
[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (33633) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 years ago

[-] 3 points by windyacres (1164) 3 hours ago

The forum is being ruined, by who and why i don't know. We aren't asking for much to ask for an explanation.

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18th track "(In order to decieve)"

We will act naive. Yes we know what is going on as we've been here all along - we will just pretend to be new - to screw with you. It is part of our tinkle/stinkle team review.

When you notice this we will quickly go back to politi-speak = talking endlessly while saying "really" nothing at all - nothing of any value - see also: endlessly arguing circular self defeating logic, tossing shit, spouting specious aspersions, trying to hide in the light, etc etc

  • by (mdonelly & turbocharger - harmonizing - the Cronies singing back-up)
[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (33633) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 years ago

[-] 3 points by lugano (1167) 6 hours ago

Stop trying to ruin this forum with your spam and

this is what's important http://www.leftforum.org/

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20th track "(We really really really are not about Direct Democracy)"

As people could tell if only people paid attention to our activities

Lucky for us the people do not and so we can continue with our politi-speak = talking endlessly while saying "really" nothing at all - nothing of any value - see also: endlessly arguing circular "public self defeating" logic, tossing shit, spouting specious aspersions, trying to hide in the light, etc etc etc

Lucky thing that more people don't ask us why:

"Why don't you take over government for the people from within?"

"Seeing as you don't have a national party in place to successfully run your candidates in all 50 states - WHY don't you run your candidates as dems and reps?"

Well we would just have to say (and we do) that the people can't be successful that way. Better we say - if we all stay away - and just protest for government to get better.

We really do not want people to consider a possible winner by doing things like Bernie Sanders and run as a dem for a real chance to win - and have "more" people running on the issues where they can legitimately destroy their opponents in office or also running for office - by pointing out past voting records showing non support for the people - even showing active attacks on the people - or even calling on them to declare a public stance.

Gosh that would ruin our whole "public self defeating" circular do nothing opt out and just protest logic.

  • by (mdonelly & turbocharger - harmonizing - the Cronies singing back-up)
[-] 0 points by lugano (1221) 3 years ago

Is Removing Voting Rights the work of an Occupier or that of a Petty Tinpot Tyrant?

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33633) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 years ago

[-] 0 points by lugano (1223) 5 hours ago

Is Removing Voting Rights the work of an Occupier or that of a Petty Tinpot Tyrant?

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So much for your "I don't care about the points - they point system should just be removed" - HAH.

Now no one has the ability to twinkle or stinkle and comments will just have to stand on their own.

Sucks for you tinkle/stinkle teamers though - I guess you didn't ever really mean what you said about just removing the point system.

[-] 0 points by lugano (1221) 3 years ago

It's the work of a mendacious manipulator - to make things up and falsely attribute a quote to me. I have never said that so get yourself an inhaler for your laboured breathing ""HAH". Like others I advocated the removal of the ''stinkle'' function. You confuse the anti-Corporate Controlled Duopoly consensus on these boards, with a ''team'' and you are paranoid because in the main, posters here do not really like you. Are you surprised given your behavior around here lately? Here's what's important... http://www.leftforum.org/ and then perhaps http://www.democracynow.org/2015/5/18/ralph_nader_on_bernie_sanders_presidential

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33633) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 years ago

[-] 0 points by lugano (1223) 4 minutes ago

It's the work of a mendacious manipulator - to make things up and falsely attribute a quote to me. I have never said that so get yourself an inhaler for your laboured breathing ""HAH". Like others I advocated the removal of the ''stinkle'' function. You confuse the anti-Corporate Controlled Duopoly consensus on these boards, with a ''team'' and you are paranoid because in the main, posters here do not really like you. Are you surprised given your behavior around here lately? Here's what's important... http://www.leftforum.org/ and then perhaps http://www.democracynow.org/2015/5/18/ralph_nader_on_bernie_sanders_presidential

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Ya know? Your comment might even bother me - were it not for the fact that you are an idiot who (at best) ignorantly supports the control of power by the 1% by (at best) mistakenly advising people to do nothing about their government and advises that they just opt out do nothing and walk away.

[-] 0 points by mdonelly (324) from Mineola, NY 3 years ago

You say that you wanted the comments to "stand alone." Nothing made your partisan crap look more lonely than when they were at minus 3.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33633) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 years ago

[-] 0 points by mdonelly (463) from Mineola, NY 4 minutes ago

You say that you wanted the comments to "stand alone." Nothing made your partisan crap look more lonely than when they at minus 3.

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No more silent down vote crap - to bad so sad.

If you disagree with a comment - now you have to make a comment of your own to voice that disagreement and those that you voice your disagreement to - can reply to your disagreement if they so choose.

Same goes if you agree with a comment - you will have to make a comment to show your approval - and others can respond to those comments if they choose to.

[-] 0 points by mdonelly (324) from Mineola, NY 3 years ago

You should try bartering some of your points at your local candy store. Maybe you could get a Milky Way or two.

Your actions have proven to me that you are a lot more than just a lost soul. Your's is definitely not a legacy that I would want to have

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33633) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 years ago

[-] 0 points by mdonelly (463) from Mineola, NY 8 minutes ago

You should try bartering some of your points at your local candy store. Maybe you could get a Milky Way or two.

Your actions have proven to me that you are a lot more than just a lost soul. Your's is definitely not a legacy that I would want to have

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By all accounts - the legacy that "you" want to share "is" supporting the 1% power control - and "THAT" is truly sad.

[-] 0 points by mdonelly (324) from Mineola, NY 3 years ago

I still get a perverse feeling of satisfaction making you look stupid, and out of touch.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33633) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 years ago

[-] 0 points by mdonelly (463) from Mineola, NY 3 minutes ago

I still get a perverse feeling of satisfaction making you look stupid, and out of touch.

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Well now - there ya go - ya still have something to live for - perverse is exactly you. You expecting (?) that the public walking away from the system is gonna make things better. THAT is so perverse.

[-] 0 points by beautifulworld (22956) 3 years ago

I want my forum voting rights back NOW! I earned them.

[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (33633) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 years ago

[-] 0 points by beautifulworld (22449) 4 hours ago

I want my forum voting rights back NOW! I earned them.

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You should be more concerned about using your real world voting rights.

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[-] 0 points by Renneye (3874) 3 years ago

My forum voting rights are gone as well, as of this morning. Looks like I disagreed with the wrong person, last night. Lolol!

Looks like someone's temper-tantrum and likely chronic complaining/harassment to jart didn't go unnoticed, after all.

Though, I don't get why one person's antics puts everyone else at a standstill. Looks like everyone's comments are starting off at zero points.

[-] 0 points by beautifulworld (22956) 3 years ago

The vote and the sign up page are critical to the well being of the forum. It's sad that it's being run in a way that is the antithesis of what Occupy stands for.

[-] 0 points by mdonelly (324) from Mineola, NY 3 years ago

Being able to vote has been on of the main facets of this site being an inter-active site. If our voting rights are not returned, this site becomes far less appealing. I suppose that was the purpose.

[-] 0 points by lugano (1221) 3 years ago

Ooooh! Looks like you are starting with 0 ''points'' and so have probably had your ''points'' total frozen by the same half-wit who has most ''points'' but is very vexed by any justified stinkle he may recieve. When we are all talking about him and not the issues... then his parDisan purposes are served, right? DHOH!!!

[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (33633) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 years ago

[-] 1 points by lugano (1065) 43 minutes ago

Stop trying to ruin this forum with your spam and

this is what's important http://www.leftforum.org/

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12th track: (Hiding in plain sight) "Also known as trying to hide in the light"

We get really strident with this - when we feel we need to reapply shredded cover

All it requires - is - enough expressed vitriol for the system in general - and many will believe you mean it - while one need not provide any supporting substance.

(part 2)

When the 1st part is not enough we also love to pretend to support protest and things (whatever is handy) - helps to throw off suspicion.

  • by (mdonelly & turbocharger - harmonizing - the Cronies singing back-up)

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[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (33633) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 years ago

[-] 0 points by lugano (1077) 6 minutes ago

Up to http://www.leftforum.org/ actually starting - be advised that I have infinite patience to deal with your crappy little attempts at replying to me, despite the tedium of seeing your extended nervous breakdown.

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10th track: (Tossing Shit)

As We have nothing to back-up our stated positions (opt-out fiction) - We will do our best to throw it back on ( put a lie on) any who would ask for details of our non-existent action plans (Ya know......those who put the lie to our bullshit - "who shine the light on our bullshit").

The putdown we use on others is simple - and with it in play - we then retreat - to our constant tactic of providing nothing while saying much (politi-speak).

Tossing shit - we love it.

  • by (mdonelly & turbocharger - harmonizing - the Cronies singing back-up)

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[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (33633) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 years ago

[-] 0 points by lugano (1085) 5 minutes ago

http://www.leftforum.org/ is what you will be prescribed by me - to every one of your BS copy and paste responses - especially IF I can not see any replies from anyone else but you. I know that his counts as validation and attention in your world but so be it, lol. Try to get fresh air; take walks and.. stop drinking!

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2nd track: (Specious aspersions) "When one has nothing)"

We throw specious aspersions as we have nothing else to say.

  • by (mdonelly & turbocharger - harmonizing)

BTW - nice that you have been forced into repeating the post for the left forum link http://www.leftforum.org/

Otherwise you would have gone back to your regular program of providing nothing:

1st track: (Dancing) "ooo look something shiny"

dancing............ Dancing............. DANCING................ we're a dancing machine

Ah baby

Move it baby

dancing . . . Dancing . . . DANCING . . .

. . . . we're a dancing machine . . . Ah baby

Move it baby

We dance to avoid to evade as we got nothing to provide . . . . Who needs substance - dancing is easier to do then actually most anything else . . . . . .

cause we're dancing............ Dancing............. DANCING................ we're a dancing machine . . . . . . ooo LOOK something shiny . . . . .

  • "Our theme song" - by (mdonelly, turbocharger and the Cronies)
[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (33633) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 years ago

I repeat this question to you - the same as I presented to a few of your buddies.

So - - - where is your strong third party activism? Hhhhmmmmmmm?

How do you support the creation of Direct Participatory Democracy? Hhhhmmmmmmm?

Because - to this point in time - you and your cronies - just - erroneously conflate Ds & Rs.

Please elucidate on your peoples plan of action. Tell us all the actions to take to implement a Direct Participatory Democracy.

Don't bother throwing shit at me or try to dance around the issue. Just Explain Your plan.

How do the people retake government?

Spell it out.

You can - can't you?

So.

A to Z - lets have it.

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[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (33633) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 years ago

[-] 0 points by lugano (946) 2 minutes ago

You're not 'repeating' jack to me Jack! Now go bleat somewhere else and while you're at it - go find out who is removing comments from this thread.

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One must take by your response - that =

10th track: (Tossing Shit)

As We have nothing to back-up our stated positions (opt-out fiction) - We will do our best to throw it back on ( put a lie on) any who would ask for details of our non-existent action plans (Ya know......those who put the lie - "to shine the light" - on our bullshit).

  • by (mdonelly & turbocharger - harmonizing - the Cronies singing back-up)
[-] 2 points by mdonelly (324) from Mineola, NY 3 years ago

I notice that the list of people who have caught your wrath 'cause they did not want to vote for more Democrats in lieu of exploring other ideas.... is getting longer, but you still only have only, mdonelly & turbocharger...harmonizing..." away. If it were more inclusive, we would sound better, but we would most likely have to change the words though. Please take some time out from your miscreant agenda to update that, but only when you have time.

[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (33633) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 years ago

[-] 0 points by mdonelly (347) from Mineola, NY 0 minutes ago

I notice that the list of people who have caught your wrath 'cause they did not want to vote for more Democrats in lieu of exploring other ideas.... is getting longer, but you still only have only, mdonelly & turbocharger...harmonizing..." away. If it were more inclusive, we would sound better, but we would most likely have to change the words though. Please take some time out from your miscreant agenda to update that, but only when you have time.

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1st track: (Dancing)

dancing............ Dancing............. DANCING................ we're a dancing machine

Ah baby

Move it baby

dancing . . . Dancing . . . DANCING . . .

. . . . we're a dancing machine . . . Ah baby

Move it baby

We dance to avoid to evade as we got nothing to provide . . . . Who needs substance - dancing is easier to do then actually most anything else . . . . . .

cause we're dancing............ Dancing............. DANCING................ we're a dancing machine . . . . . . ooo LOOK something shiny . . . . .

  • "Our theme song" - by (mdonelly, turbocharger and the Cronies)

3rd track: ( It's easy to do when one has nothing)

More specious aspersions - as we have got nothing - nothing - nothing else.

  • by (mdonelly & turbocharger - harmonizing - the Cronies singing back-up)

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[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (33633) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 years ago

[-] 0 points by lugano (946) 3 minutes ago

Yawn! See full reply above and then read - http://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/30-Years-Ago-Philadelphia-Police-Bombed-a-Black-Neighborhood-20150513-0024.html + Good luck with that.

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Thanks for your continuing effort to dance and avoid the question put to you - (OH LOOK - something shiny). So the following fits the shoe you are wearing:

12th track: (Hiding in plain sight)

All it requires - is - enough expressed vitriol for the system in general - and many will believe you mean it - while one need not provide any supporting substance.

  • by (mdonelly & turbocharger - harmonizing - the Cronies singing back-up)

6th track: (We are not for the people)

On taking legal action - We so stink - that some might think - that we are quietly buying up fertilizer and plumbing supplies - truth of the matter is - we are just about keeping the public from taking action - cause we are all about supporting the status quo.

  • by (mdonelly & turbocharger - harmonizing - the Cronies singing back-up)

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[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (33633) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 years ago

[-] 1 points by lugano (992) 1 hour ago

Including my reply to ''OBAMA is the Hammer that Smashed OWS....'' from trashyharry's initial opening comment above - you have removed 3 of my replies; 1 @ th + 2 @ u - but you also deign to copy/repeat that which has been said - to an extent. Do you think that I or anyone else is impressed or liable to be? Also see http://occupywallst.org/article/presidentsday-2015/#comment-1059130 + try to get some help.

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13th track: (Stinkle teaming away) "one of our very favorites - we can bully and manipulate the boards by teaming up to stinkle comments or twinkle our BS - but we really hate it if anyone calls us out on it - and it drives us insane if we are subjected to anything like it ourselves."

Stinkle teaming away Stinkle teaming away You know the nearer your proactive destination The more we’re gonna try to stinkle team you away

We know a man He came from my hometown He shared his passion for this world in deeds that needed to be done

He said, world, I live in fear My love for you’s so overpowering and I’m afraid that you will be disappeared”

We had stinkle teamed Him away Stinkle teamed Him away You know the nearer your proactive destination The more we’re gonna try to stinkle team you away

And, We know a woman Became an advocate to support life These are the very words she uses to describe her life She said, “A good day Ain’t got no stinkle team” She said, “A bad day’s when I lie in bed And think of things that should have been”

We had stinkle teamed Her away Stinkle teamed Her away You know the nearer your proactive destination The more we’re gonna try to stinkle team you away

And We know a father Who had a son He longed to tell him all the reasons For the things that needed be done He came a long way Just to explain He kissed his boy as he lay sleeping Then he turned around and headed home again

We had stinkle teamed Him away Stinkle teamed Him away You know the nearer your proactive destination The more we’re gonna try to stinkle team you away

We say "God only knows God makes his plan" We say "The information’s unavailable To the mortal man" We want You to work your jobs Collect your pay To believe you’re gliding down the highway When in fact you’ve been stinkle teamed away

Stinkle teaming away Stinkle teaming away You know the nearer your proactive destination The more we’re gonna try to stinkle team you away

  • by (mdonelly & turbocharger - harmonizing - the Cronies singing back-up) "Sung to the tune of Paul Simon's - Slip Sliding Away"

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[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (33633) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 years ago

[-] 3 points by lugano (1048) 3 hours ago

''Profit-Driven Capitalism'' by Prof. R.D.Wolff ... http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/30805-economic-update-profit-driven-capitalism + I'm not appreciating your irrelevant spamming - which says nothing about me and too much about you.You should stop your poor behaviour and even express contrition.

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10th track: (Tossing Shit)

As We have nothing to back-up our stated positions (opt-out fiction) - We will do our best to throw it back on ( put a lie on) any who would ask for details of our non-existent action plans (Ya know......those who put the lie - "to shine the light" - on our bullshit).

  • by (mdonelly & turbocharger - harmonizing - the Cronies singing back-up)

13th track: (Stinkle teaming away) "one of our very favorites - we can bully and manipulate the boards by teaming up to stinkle comments or twinkle our BS - but we really hate it if anyone calls us out on it - and it drives us insane if we are subjected to anything like it ourselves."

Stinkle teaming away Stinkle teaming away You know the nearer your proactive destination The more we’re gonna try to stinkle team you away

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[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (33633) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 years ago

[-] 3 points by lugano (1089) 3 hours ago

Please see http://www.leftforum.org/ and then seek urgent help with whatever afflicts you in your life.

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19th track "(We are not about Democracy)"

As some can plainly see

We feign to support it

While doing our best to get the public not to participate to own it or control it

We spout propaganda while trying to expound that the public is unable to make a difference and so should just protest instead of voting out those working against them - as that would be futile

Thus we get a lot of mileage to argue our meaningless circular logic - that to make a difference one must opt out

  • by (mdonelly & turbocharger - harmonizing - the Cronies singing back-up)
[-] 6 points by mdonelly (324) from Mineola, NY 3 years ago

For some people in Occupy, Obama's concerted actions to crush the camps was the last straw. It made them realize that neither party truly cared about the outrageous inequities in our country, and the suffering that people were forced to endure.. Occupy has not went away though, rather it has multiplied...morphed, and it has been the impetus in the growth of grassroot groups. I think people realize that it is them that that truly should have the power, not the corrupted ruling elite.

[-] 3 points by trashyharry (3082) from Waterville, NY 3 years ago

I agree with you.

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[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (33633) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 years ago

[-] 0 points by mdonelly (442) from Mineola, NY 1 minute ago

Thanks, Occupy has been the spawning ground for many of today's activists who realize the two parties have been corrupted beyond repair. Our revolution has expanded, and groups have coalesced. I wish it went quicker, but most of us have adapted, and are in this for however long it takes.That is the same path other successful movements have taken.

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19th track "(We are not about Democracy)"

As some can plainly see

We feign to support it

While doing our best to get the public not to participate to own it or control it

We spout propaganda while trying to expound that the public is unable to make a difference and so should just protest instead of voting out those working against them - as that would be futile

Thus we get a lot of mileage to argue our meaningless "public self defeating" circular logic arguments - that to make a difference one must opt out

  • by (mdonelly & turbocharger - harmonizing - the Cronies singing back-up)
[-] 3 points by grapes (5184) 3 years ago

New York and its environs are the homebase of Occupy. It takes time to exhaust the intelligence value from the so-called bugs. It also takes time to strike hard and fast. There is a potentially undesirable side effect of the Gestapo tactics. Everytime they use their purportedly superior intelligence tactics, the much worse actors learn and pick up their methods. The U.S. surely has many intelligence enemies. There is "cybernetic antibiotic resistance." Stuxnet was a concrete example.

[-] 3 points by trashyharry (3082) from Waterville, NY 3 years ago

There have been numerous reports of Ferguson Activists brakes and lug nuts tampered with.Those cowardly tactics will have no effect.We shall prevail.

[-] 0 points by grapes (5184) 3 years ago

Did I save any children from the runaway vehicles arising from the tampering?

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[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (33633) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 years ago

[-] 1 points by grapes (3651) 44 minutes ago

Did I save any children from the runaway vehicles arising from the tampering?

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[-] 0 points by trashyharry (3258) from Waterville, NY 7 minutes ago

We can only hope,my Friend.

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[EDIT] [EDIT] That's just silly trashy - because - either grapes did or grapes did not. Didn't you read the comment?

EDIT-> It might have been better If you asked grapes if grapes had.

EDIT EDIT-> Instead it looks like you tried for a demonstration of solidarity - when there was nothing offered for a demonstration of solidarity to.

[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (33633) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 years ago

[-] 2 points by grapes (3651) 1 hour ago

Did I save any children from the runaway vehicles arising from the tampering?

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I don't know. Did You? Were you there?

[-] 1 points by grapes (5184) 3 years ago

I cannot confirm nor deny that I was there because my wavefunction has very long tails.

[-] 2 points by grapes (5184) 3 years ago

This is a public service announcement. "It's ten o'clock. Do you know where your children are?" - the Ad Council.

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[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (33633) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 years ago

[-] 0 points by turbocharger (1756) 0 minutes ago

Lots of removed posts on here, yet the spam ones are still there?

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Ha Ha ha . . . . ur funny = You really have your shorts in a knot - because your stinkle team gang-up bullying tactics have been made moot.

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[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (33633) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 years ago

[-] 1 points by turbocharger (1756) 8 minutes ago

Just like the DNC/RNC, its kind of hard to compete when someone else gets to write the rules.

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15th track "(things that we really really really hate)"

For example - when our tactics get thrown back in our face.

We complain - but - it is more than just a little lame - because truth be told - bottom line - at the best - we are being - hypocritical.

But damn we hate it after all of these years to have our tinkle/stinkle team tactics made moot.

  • by (mdonelly & turbocharger - harmonizing - the Cronies singing back-up)

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[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (33633) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 years ago

[-] -1 points by turbocharger (1756) 0 minutes ago

So Democrats and Republicans crush OWS, and then put out the narrative "you didn't achieve anything"..

So basically, send in the disruptions, use the power of government against them, and then claim that its their own fault things didnt work out.

Seem familiar?

You can go through any political site and see who is there to disrupt, who is there to promote, and then who the few people that want real change are. Its not hard to spot.

Give it a try. Use this post as your guiding light :)

Peace.

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15th track "(things that we really really really hate)"

For example - when our tactics get thrown back in our face.

We complain - but - it is more than just a little lame - because truth be told - bottom line - at the best - we are being - hypocritical.

But damn we hate it after all of these years to have our tinkle/stinkle team tactics made moot.

  • by (mdonelly & turbocharger - harmonizing - the Cronies singing back-up)

And so we must also rely on - 10th track: (Tossing Shit)

As We have nothing to back-up our stated positions (opt-out fiction) - We will do our best to throw it back on ( put a lie on) any who would ask for details of our non-existent action plans (Ya know......those who put the lie - "to shine the light" - on our bullshit).

  • by (mdonelly & turbocharger - harmonizing - the Cronies singing back-up)

And on - 11th track: (We erroneously conflate)

We erroneously conflate the dems and reps - as it provides us with cover as being against the system - while it throws mud at those who do not deserve it - and basically works to help people to choose to opt out of the process rather than make any united attempt to remove the actively evil from government - and so we support the status quo - "of this country being given to the 1%" - while hiding behind a claim of being revolutionary supporters of the people.

  • by (mdonelly & turbocharger - harmonizing - the Cronies singing back-up)
[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (33633) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 years ago

Forum Post: Democrats and Republicans Shutting Down OWS

16th track "(When we conflate)"

We are doing our best to prevent legitimate debate.

As - we can't have people considering matters like:

Who supports access to Health care for all

Who attacks access to Health care for all

or

Who supports raising taxes on the wealthy

Who attacks raising taxes on the wealthy

or

Who supports expanding Social Security

Who attacks Social Security

or

Who promotes environmental standards and protective restrictions

Who attacks environmental standards and protective restrictions

I mean if we do not shut this stuff down it becomes pretty easy to see that we really can't conflate the dems as being exactly the same as the rethuglicans.

  • by (mdonelly & turbocharger - harmonizing - the Cronies singing back-up)
[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (33633) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 years ago

Forum Post: Democrats and Republicans Shutting Down OWS

Gosh Golly and Geeeeeeeeeeeze - just who does this remind me of . . . . . . . . http://kos.salsalabs.com/dia/track.jsp?v=2&c=TUeNrJWjTd8oXo2qquSNDhmOv2UPq3qL . . . .? ? ? ?

[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (33633) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 years ago

The collected styling s of the status quo defenders

1st track:

Dancing............ dancing............. dancing................ we're a dancing machine

Ah babe

Move it baby

  • "Our theme song" - by (mdonelly, turbocharger and the Cronies)

2nd track:

We throw specious aspersions as we have nothing else to say.

  • by (mdonelly & turbocharger - harmonizing)

3rd track:

More specious aspersions - as we have got nothing - nothing - nothing else.

  • by (mdonelly & turbocharger - harmonizing - the Cronies singing back-up)

4th track:

We support the status quo - though you wouldn't know - cause we are so sneaky and say damn it all - with no plan at all to change it at all.

  • by (mdonelly & turbocharger - harmonizing - the Cronies singing back-up)

5th track:

We sing our own politi-speak - saying much while saying nothing at all - tossing aspersions and providing no plans - we're the next best thing to the rethuglicans in office - listen to us sing and pay no attention to the fact that we forward nothing - and so we serve the status quo.

  • by (mdonelly & turbocharger - harmonizing - the Cronies singing back-up)

6th track:

On taking legal action - We so stink - that some might think - that we are quietly buying up fertilizer and plumbing supplies - truth of the matter is - we are just about keeping the public from taking action - cause we are all about supporting the status quo.

  • by (mdonelly & turbocharger - harmonizing - the Cronies singing back-up)

7th track:

You might confuse us as being GOP - because we support them in their attacks on anyone who would speak for the people and would forward actions to take to make the government for the people again. As we are for the staus quo - so fuck ya all who are not 1% supporters.

  • by (mdonelly & turbocharger - harmonizing - the Cronies singing back-up)

8th track:

Because you know we're all about them Dems,

'Bout them Dems, not Rethuglicans

we're all about them Dems, 'bout them Dems, not Rethuglicans

we're all about them Dems, 'bout them Dems, not Rethuglicans

we're all about them Dems, 'bout them Dems, not Rethuglicans

.......

Because you know we're all about them Dems,

'Bout them Dems, not Rethuglicans

  • by (mdonelly, turbocharger & the Cronies singing back-up)

9th track:

Because you know we're all about that base, 'Bout that base, no action

We're all 'bout that base, 'bout that base, no action We're all 'bout that base, 'bout that base, no action We're all 'bout that base, 'bout that base

Yeah it's pretty clear, we ain't for you

But we can shake it, shake it like we're supposed to do

'Cause We got that boom boom that all the 1%'s chase

All the right crap spread in all the right places

We see the citizens groups working that action to take

We know that shit ain't real (believe us)

Come on now, make it stop ( as we like things the way they are)

If you got apathy apathy - just raise it up

'Cause every inch of you is perfect

From the bottom to the top

Yeah, our Koch he told us don't worry about your stance

He says, people they like a little more BS to hold to at night

You know we won't support no publc-figure, speaking truth to all,

So, if that's what's you're into

Then go ahead and move along

Because you know we're all about that base, 'Bout that base, no action

We're all 'bout that base, 'bout that base, no action We're all 'bout that base, 'bout that base, no action We're all 'bout that base, 'bout that base

We're bringing doody back

Go ahead and tell them citizens groups hey

No, We're not playing - you stink - you're naive,

We're here to tell you,

Every inch of you is played from from the cradle to the grave

Yeah, our Koch told us don't worry about your stance

He says, people they like a little more BS to hold at night

You know we won't support no publc-figure, speaking truth to all,

So, if that's what's you're into

Then go ahead and move along

Because you know we're all about that base, 'Bout that base, no action

We're all 'bout that base, 'bout that base, no action We're all 'bout that base, 'bout that base, no action We're all 'bout that base, 'bout that base

Because you know we're all about that base, 'Bout that base, no action

We're all 'bout that base, 'bout that base, no action We're all 'bout that base, 'bout that base, no action We're all 'bout that base, 'bout that base

Because you know we're all about that base, 'Bout that base, no action

We're all 'bout that base, 'bout that base, no action We're all 'bout that base, 'bout that base, no action We're all 'bout that base, 'bout that base

  • by ( mdonelly & turbocharger - harmonizing - the Cronies singing back-up)

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[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (33633) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 years ago

[-] 0 points by mdonelly (290) from Mineola, NY 0 minutes ago

Unlike some of my peers who I agree with mostly, I do disagree with them in you being just lost. Instead, I give you credit for knowing what this revolution is about, and why you are here to debase it. That's a compliment, well sort of....

↥twinkle ↧stinkle reply permalink

2nd track:

We throw specious aspersions as we have nothing else to say.

  • by (mdonelly & turbocharger - harmonizing)

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[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (33633) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 years ago

[-] 0 points by mdonelly (293) from Mineola, NY 1 minute ago

YOU not liking what I have to say, while you are here promoting a corrupt party, is not the same as me "hav[ing] nothing to say. You do not make it condusive for this forum to grow in a more 'sustainable' way, the way the rest of the revolution is maturing, but you know that...

BTW, have you ever taken a class where deduction, logic and reasoning were the focus? It's never too late, well for most people....anyway. You should ask one of your DNC peers abou... Check that. I don't believe that they will know anything about it, either.

↥twinkle ↧stinkle reply permalink

9th track:

Because you know we're all about that base, 'Bout that base, no action

We're all 'bout that base, 'bout that base, no action We're all 'bout that base, 'bout that base, no action We're all 'bout that base, 'bout that base

Yeah it's pretty clear, we ain't for you

But we can shake it, shake it like we're supposed to do

'Cause We got that boom boom that all the 1%'s chase

All the right crap spread in all the right places

We see the citizens groups working that action to take

We know that shit ain't real (believe us)

Come on now, make it stop ( as we like things the way they are)

If you got apathy apathy - just raise it up

'Cause every inch of you is perfect

From the bottom to the top

Yeah, our Koch he told us don't worry about your stance

He says, people they like a little more BS to hold to at night

You know we won't support no publc-figure, speaking truth to all,

So, if that's what's you're into

Then go ahead and move along

Because you know we're all about that base, 'Bout that base, no action

We're all 'bout that base, 'bout that base, no action We're all 'bout that base, 'bout that base, no action We're all 'bout that base, 'bout that base

We're bringing doody back

Go ahead and tell them citizens groups hey

No, We're not playing - you stink - you're naive,

We're here to tell you,

Every inch of you is played from from the cradle to the grave

Yeah, our Koch told us don't worry about your stance

He says, people they like a little more BS to hold at night

You know we won't support no publc-figure, speaking truth to all,

So, if that's what's you're into

Then go ahead and move along

Because you know we're all about that base, 'Bout that base, no action

We're all 'bout that base, 'bout that base, no action We're all 'bout that base, 'bout that base, no action We're all 'bout that base, 'bout that base

Because you know we're all about that base, 'Bout that base, no action

We're all 'bout that base, 'bout that base, no action We're all 'bout that base, 'bout that base, no action We're all 'bout that base, 'bout that base

Because you know we're all about that base, 'Bout that base, no action

We're all 'bout that base, 'bout that base, no action We're all 'bout that base, 'bout that base, no action We're all 'bout that base, 'bout that base

  • by ( mdonelly & turbocharger - harmonizing - the Cronies singing back-up)

3rd track:

More specious aspersions - as we have got nothing - nothing - nothing else.

  • by (mdonelly & turbocharger - harmonizing - the Cronies singing back-up)

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[+] -4 points by DKAtoday (33633) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 years ago

[-] 1 points by mdonelly (297) from Mineola, NY 21 minutes ago

Thanks for copying and pasting my comment, and putting it back up. I did the same and added a title 'cause I thought that it was quite succinct too. I was worried that nobody would see it. I did leave out the last part though..

Why Sanders is Running For President

Bernie Sanders run for Presidency as a Democrat has at least two insidious objectives. The main one being, to funnel the huge amount of discontent, especially the grassroot organizations, back into the Democratic Party, as it will divide our struggle, and if not recognized it will most likely kill any chance for REAL progress. The other goal is to prove, albeit falsely by example that the corrupt two party system works. What these two parties fear most is a viable third party candidate who has not sold out, and that answers to the interests of the people FIRST and foremost!.

Kshama Sawant being challenged for her city council seat in Seattle by the city's President of The Urban League, a Democrat is a good example of how fearful both parties are of having REAL change! Clearly the other 8 members of the council have far closer ties to the corrupted parties who answer to big-monied interests, not ours...so why oppose her? She is a huge threat to topple over the rotten apple cart, that's why!

Given the enormous level of discontent in this country which began in earnest, congealed and grew momentously with the advent of Occupy Wall Street, it is inevitable that the oligarchs will have to make some concessions...or modest reforms. The minor improvements that they will have to concede to will be meant to appease people who want LEGITIMATE and truly JUST change, while keeping the oligarchy firmly in place.

To reiterate, the political theatre that is being played out before our very eyes, and how it culminates will also serve as justification that the corrupt two party system WORKS, which is laughable to me.

When Sanders pulls out, he will throw his support to Hillary, which is what he has implied he will do. Come election time, we will be faced with the same screwed up scenario that we have come accustomed to; Choosing the 'lesser of the two [corporate-owned] evils." It may be worded in a more euphemistic way, but that's what it will be!!

"Bernie's job is to warm up the crowd for Hillary, herding activist energies and the disaffected left back into the Democratic fold one more time. Bernie aims to tie up activist energies and resources till the summer of 2016 when the only remaining choice will be the usual lesser of two evils."...my emphasis

If Sander's candidacy had altruistic motives, he should be fuming at the inequities that her and Bill have brought on the American people, but instead, he counts her as a good friend and strongly implies that he will not attack her! That's ludicrous...and very telling, as well....

"Presidential Candidate Bernie Sanders: Sheepdogging for Hillary and the Democrats in 2016"

http://www.blackagendareport.com/bernie-sanders-sheepdog-4-hillary

↥twinkle ↧stinkle reply permalink

No need to thank me - especially now - as you have completely edited/changed your comment and it bears no resemblance to your original comment.

So

On That Note.

Let me help parse out your new comment for the interested bystanders:

Bernie Sanders run for Presidency as a Democrat has at least two insidious objectives. The main one being, to funnel the huge amount of discontent, especially the grassroot organizations, back into the Democratic Party, as it will divide our struggle, and if not recognized it will most likely kill any chance for REAL progress.

Translation =

2nd track:

We throw specious aspersions as we have nothing else to say.

  • by (mdonelly & turbocharger - harmonizing)

4th track:

We support the status quo - though you wouldn't know - cause we are so sneaky and say damn it all - with no plan at all to change it at all.

  • by (mdonelly & turbocharger - harmonizing - the Cronies singing back-up)

5th track:

We sing our own politi-speak - saying much while saying nothing at all - tossing aspersions and providing no plans - we're the next best thing to the rethuglicans in office - listen to us sing and pay no attention to the fact that we forward nothing - and so we serve the status quo.

  • by (mdonelly & turbocharger - harmonizing - the Cronies singing back-up)

6th track:

On taking legal action - We so stink - that some might think - that we are quietly buying up fertilizer and plumbing supplies - truth of the matter is - we are just about keeping the public from taking action - cause we are all about supporting the status quo.

  • by (mdonelly & turbocharger - harmonizing - the Cronies singing back-up)

7th track:

You might confuse us as being GOP - because we support them in their attacks on anyone who would speak for the people and would forward actions to take to make the government for the people again. As we are for the staus quo - so fuck ya all who are not 1% supporters.

  • by (mdonelly & turbocharger - harmonizing - the Cronies singing back-up)

8th track:

Because you know we're all about them Dems,

'Bout them Dems, not Rethuglicans

we're all about them Dems, 'bout them Dems, not Rethuglicans

we're all about them Dems, 'bout them Dems, not Rethuglicans

we're all about them Dems, 'bout them Dems, not Rethuglicans

.......

Because you know we're all about them Dems,

'Bout them Dems, not Rethuglicans

  • by (mdonelly, turbocharger & the Cronies singing back-up)

9th track:

Because you know we're all about that base, 'Bout that base, no action

We're all 'bout that base, 'bout that base, no action We're all 'bout that base, 'bout that base, no action We're all 'bout that base, 'bout that base

Yeah it's pretty clear, we ain't for you

But we can shake it, shake it like we're supposed to do

'Cause We got that boom boom that all the 1%'s chase

All the right crap spread in all the right places

We see the citizens groups working that action to take

We know that shit ain't real (believe us)

Come on now, make it stop ( as we like things the way they are)

If you got apathy apathy - just raise it up

'Cause every inch of you is perfect

From the bottom to the top

Yeah, our Koch he told us don't worry about your stance

He says, people they like a little more BS to hold to at night

You know we won't support no publc-figure, speaking truth to all,

So, if that's what's you're into

Then go ahead and move along

Because you know we're all about that base, 'Bout that base, no action

We're all 'bout that base, 'bout that base, no action We're all 'bout that base, 'bout that base, no action We're all 'bout that base, 'bout that base

We're bringing doody back

Go ahead and tell them citizens groups hey

No, We're not playing - you stink - you're naive,

We're here to tell you,

Every inch of you is played from from the cradle to the grave

Yeah, our Koch told us don't worry about your stance

He says, people they like a little more BS to hold at night

You know we won't support no publc-figure, speaking truth to all,

So, if that's what's you're into

Then go ahead and move along

Because you know we're all about that base, 'Bout that base, no action

We're all 'bout that base, 'bout that base, no action We're all 'bout that base, 'bout that base, no action We're all 'bout that base, 'bout that base

Because you know we're all about that base, 'Bout that base, no action

We're all 'bout that base, 'bout that base, no action We're all 'bout that base, 'bout that base, no action We're all 'bout that base, 'bout that base

Because you know we're all about that base, 'Bout that base, no action

We're all 'bout that base, 'bout that base, no action We're all 'bout that base, 'bout that base, no action We're all 'bout that base, 'bout that base

  • by ( mdonelly & turbocharger - harmonizing - the Cronies singing back-up)

WASH, RINSE, REPEAT for the rest of the doggerel:

The other goal is to prove, albeit falsely by example that the corrupt two party system works. What these two parties fear most is a viable third party candidate who has not sold out, and that answers to the interests of the people FIRST and foremost!.

tracks 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9


Kshama Sawant being challenged for her city council seat in Seattle by the city's President of The Urban League, a Democrat is a good example of how fearful both parties are of having REAL change! Clearly the other 8 members of the council have far closer ties to the corrupted parties who answer to big-monied interests, not ours...so why oppose her? She is a huge threat to topple over the rotten apple cart, that's why!

tracks 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 also = look something shiny - as our position is we will not support anyone in the system


Given the enormous level of discontent in this country which began in earnest, congealed and grew momentously with the advent of Occupy Wall Street, it is inevitable that the oligarchs will have to make some concessions...or modest reforms. The minor improvements that they will have to concede to will be meant to appease people who want LEGITIMATE and truly JUST change, while keeping the oligarchy firmly in place.

So our stance = tracks 5,6,7,9


To reiterate, the political theatre that is being played out before our very eyes, and how it culminates will also serve as justification that the corrupt two party system WORKS, which is laughable to me.

So see our stance = tracks 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9


When Sanders pulls out, he will throw his support to Hillary, which is what he has implied he will do. Come election time, we will be faced with the same screwed up scenario that we have come accustomed to; Choosing the 'lesser of the two [corporate-owned] evils." It may be worded in a more euphemistic way, but that's what it will be!!

See our stance = tracks 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9


"Bernie's job is to warm up the crowd for Hillary, herding activist energies and the disaffected left back into the Democratic fold one more time. Bernie aims to tie up activist energies and resources till the summer of 2016 when the only remaining choice will be the usual lesser of two evils."...my emphasis

See our stance = tracks 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9


If Sander's candidacy had altruistic motives, he should be fuming at the inequities that her and Bill have brought on the American people, but instead, he counts her as a good friend and strongly implies that he will not attack her! That's ludicrous...and very telling, as well....

See our stance = tracks 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9

"Presidential Candidate Bernie Sanders: Sheepdogging for Hillary and the Democrats in 2016"

http://www.blackagendareport.com/bernie-sanders-sheepdog-4-hillary

↥twinkle ↧stinkle reply permalink

See our stance = tracks 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9

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[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (33633) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 years ago

[-] 0 points by mdonelly (297) from Mineola, NY 4 minutes ago

Thanks again. You should rest up. You've got a lot of copying and pasting to do. Act 10 starts tomorrow, right?

↥twinkle ↧stinkle reply permalink

Is it only act 10 for you opt-out bullshitters?

Can't be - you've been pushing people to opt out for years now.

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[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (33633) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 years ago

[-] 0 points by mdonelly (297) from Mineola, NY 0 minutes ago

WOW, can I infer that you believe that "opt[ing] out"...AND not voting for a person who belongs to one of the parties that are responsible for our demise, is the same? When your position is indefensible, and all you seem to consume is the MSM, then all that you have left to use is twisted logic, and juvenile song & dance routines. There is tons of good stuff to read by people who haven't sold out, but by doing so you would probably have to leave your job.

↥twinkle ↧stinkle reply permalink

The collected styling s of the status quo defenders

1st track:

Dancing............ dancing............. dancing................ we're a dancing machine

Ah babe

Move it baby

  • "Our theme song" - by (mdonelly, turbocharger and the Cronies)

2nd track:

We throw specious aspersions as we have nothing else to say.

  • by (mdonelly & turbocharger - harmonizing)

3rd track:

More specious aspersions - as we have got nothing - nothing - nothing else.

  • by (mdonelly & turbocharger - harmonizing - the Cronies singing back-up)

10th track:

As We have nothing to back-up our stated positions (opt-out fiction) - We will do our best to throw it back on any who would ask for details of our non-existent action plans.

  • by (mdonelly & turbocharger - harmonizing - the Cronies singing back-up)