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Forum Post: Democratic Republicanism is Balance

Posted 2 years ago on Dec. 3, 2011, 2:02 p.m. EST by JesseHeffran (3903)
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But because the counter weight is on the fulcrum, we are sliding into the abyss.



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[-] 3 points by OccidentWillStrike (42) 2 years ago

United States is a plutocratic managed democracy as envisaged by the masonic founding fathers. Good cop, bad cop bipartisan politics.

In Greek democracy representatives were ordinary citizens selected by chance to participate in the town assembly. In Germanic Things assemblies leaders of the tribe were chose by chance (aka judgement of the gods).

[-] 1 points by JesseHeffran (3903) 2 years ago

a lottery would be neat. it would also be a rough and tumble roller coaster ride that would lose the lunch of the faint of heart. I think we as a species could work out direct democracy though. It is just a lack of imagination and and too much consternation. the old adage, the majority would vote their self the lion's share of the coffers, keeps us from asking why not, and wouldn't that be incentive, to all, to keep the coffers 'plenished.

[-] 1 points by OccidentWillStrike (42) 2 years ago

Representatives by lottery would be average joes with no chance to get "re-elected". It could be a combination of both. You vote for a party but the party list gets ordered by lottery. Or: each party enlists thousands of candidates, seats are then distributed by lottery.

[-] 1 points by shooz (26715) 2 years ago

I'm sorry, but lotteries didn't work out so well for the school system.

It's really just gambling.

[-] 1 points by OccidentWillStrike (42) 2 years ago

An alternative is oligarchy. What qualified GWB to become President was his family.

[-] 1 points by JesseHeffran (3903) 2 years ago

well, if the taxes were not set up to allow for aristocracy, then oligarchy would not be prevalent.

[-] 1 points by OccidentWillStrike (42) 2 years ago

Aristocracy (heritage), plutocracy (money) are variants of oligarchy.

[-] 1 points by JesseHeffran (3903) 2 years ago

ok, if our voters were smarter, they would not have hired a frat boy who partied too much and owned a major league sports franchise and multiple failed ventures.

[-] 1 points by OccidentWillStrike (42) 2 years ago

Who put him on the Republican ticket? Who made his brother governor?

It's not a coincidence, think of the Kennedy family.

[-] 1 points by JesseHeffran (3903) 2 years ago

i did not live during the Kennedy administration, but i'd be willing to imagine that the same forces that elected him, elected JR. just more disillusioned. maybe we should have sent Nixon to the pokie, for having shattered our faith in our system of government. but if you read all the threads on this post, you'll see i'm not an ideolog to the current system either.

[-] 1 points by OccidentWillStrike (42) 2 years ago

Ok, you could have a multipartisan system with coalition governments, universal suffrage, one citizen one vote. A Swedish model. Works great. 7% elected the Pirate Party.

[-] 2 points by jjuussttmmee (607) 2 years ago

need to DE-centralize control of people so one small group can not control the whole world

[-] 2 points by mouse9 (6) 2 years ago

I think every adult should get an I pad and vote as President, Governor. we can still have Mayors and Congressmen with strict term limits.

[-] 1 points by JesseHeffran (3903) 2 years ago

now you're cooking with gas.

[-] 1 points by FrogWithWings (1367) 2 years ago

It is an established fact that the United States Federal Government has been dissolved by the Emergency Banking Act, March 9, 1933, 48 Stat. 1, Public Law 89-719; declared by President Roosevelt, being bankrupt and insolvent. H.J.R. 192, 73rd Congress m session June 5, 1933 - Joint Resolution To Suspend The Gold Standard and Abrogate The Gold Clause dissolved the Sovereign Authority of the United States and the official capacities of all United States Governmental Offices, Officers, and Departments and is further evidence that the United States Federal Government exists today in name only.

The receivers of the United States Bankruptcy are the International Bankers, via the United Nations, the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund. All United States Offices, Officials, and Departments are now operating within a de facto status in name only under Emergency War Powers. With the Constitutional Republican form of Government now dissolved, the receivers of the Bankruptcy have adopted a new form of government for the United States. This new form of government is known as a Democracy, being an established Socialist/Communist order under a new governor for America. This act was instituted and established by transferring and/or placing the Office of the Secretary of Treasury to that of the Governor of the International Monetary Fund. Public Law 94-564, page 8, Section H.R. 13955 reads in part: "The U.S. Secretary of Treasury receives no compensation for representing the United States."

[-] 1 points by JesseHeffran (3903) 2 years ago

if that is true then they have done a spectacular job, up to this point.

[-] 1 points by JesseHeffran (3903) 2 years ago

If that is true then why was the senate trying to pass a law that would suspend habeas corpus rights for Al-Qaeda operatives? If we are under marshal law, is not habeas corpus suspended?

[-] 1 points by FrogWithWings (1367) 2 years ago

Ask under what circumstances can the president write, and make into law, executive orders.


[-] 1 points by FrogWithWings (1367) 2 years ago

Do you have an opinion or better?

[-] 1 points by JesseHeffran (3903) 2 years ago

the circumstances that make a president invoke Executive Orders is when the congress is log jammed and the president wants to get shit done. if the EO is unconstitutional someone will sue and put an end to his executive order. I believe that our Federal government has problems implementing good policy because there is always vested interests monkeying with Congress. the best solution is to fight lobbing with lobbing, and get the money out of Washington. another solution would be to send our federal congress members to Washington with just the right to vote up or down. Make the lobbyists go to the states and lobby each state. this would put private money into the state coffers and make DC inept.

[-] 2 points by FrogWithWings (1367) 2 years ago

I have no problem with lobbying/petitioning congress or the senate. I have serious objection to the long standing various ways in which de facto bribes and favors are tendered to go along with such.

Do you know how many executive orders exist?

If you ever get bored, start reading them.

[-] 1 points by FrogWithWings (1367) 2 years ago

by the way, Obama alone as signed several and often notifies Congress of intent to keep this one and that one active. When you see it on Cspan, such orders are always is received with no pomp, circumstance or questioning.

Upon studying them, you'll see that congress could have easily voted on such directives, if they weren't busying bundling miles of earmarks, pork, back scratching and lots of crony crap in even the simplest of bills, often represented to the public as being about just about anything but what they really are about.....

it's been happening this way since the days of Lincoln

[-] 1 points by metapolitik (1110) 2 years ago

You've got it all wrong.

So called "representative" government is PUSHing us int the abyss.

We need Deep, Direct, Digital Democracy:



[-] 1 points by JesseHeffran (3903) 2 years ago

an idea is best realized by seeing what we have then working on that something into something better. i'm an equal opportunity idea guy, but only work with the rules i have. and as i said before, PR democracy and direct democracy are such somethings that could be better.