Forum Post: Demands for forum organization?
Posted 12 years ago on Sept. 29, 2011, 12:26 a.m. EST by shinyheart
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This forum is a mess. Owners, we need:
Subforums - Demands, links related to social inequality, quotes about wealth, etc.
The ability to up-vote topics (not just comments) ala reddit - this will let the most popular topics gain attention, thus improving the signal/noise ratio of the movement. This is a big deal for a movement of this size.
Anything else?
I got word from them that they are working on it. Its just one lady working the website and she is super busy down there. she was hoping to get it done tonight
Damn. That "one lady" is a genius. You guys are right, though. She should have a 24-7 support group assisting her on rotation. How are these guys in NYC sleeping? Eating? Taking showers? It's gotta be tough for them down on Ground Zero.
Why is it just one lady? There are lots of people, and presumably lots of talented web developers...
I guess I just prefer the anarchic-wikipedia-reddit style contribution model, where anyone can contribute what they want, but everyone can vote on those contributions, and maybe there's a moderator to make sure things run smoothly.
But the point is that this lady doesn't have to do it on her own...
She claims that django/python programmers are very rare, and she insists that these are a necessity. She desperately needs help, and her email is justine@occupywallst.org
I know. Anonymous has openly supported this cause, I suggested to the admin that she ask them if somebody can help with website management but I haven't heard back from her. It was in the <<<<<-----SUBFORUMS---->>>> thread
http://forums.keller2012.com/index.php example of a forum organized with attention to sub forums for process, metaprocess, research and science, assorted peace making and process with political spectrums... and a forum set per main political issues. This is how its done- i know because i did it.
That's pretty cool. I wonder, could we have something like a reddit-style frontpage on the left-hand side to track developments in real time, while also having the organized, long-term subforums like you have on the right-hand side? How long would that take to make?
The structure of the page communicates a lot - right now it says we are disorganized. What I'm proposing would say, I think, that we are both dynamic (left-hand side), and we're not going anywhere (right hand side, meaning the movement won't be over until changes happen, not that we're not making progress :)
sure, i am not opposed to keeping the forum we have and then creating a new total larger more complicated forum org structure... i agree with the psychodynamics you mention..
Forum owner is "justine@occupywallst.org"
This man is brilliant. Voting is key. I attended the protest last night, and I was simultaneously pleased and horrified. I wandered in during the general assembly, and was pleased with the organization in the park. The meeting was well executed, the park was clean, and the crowd was also a flawless kettled police dragnet.
The meeting consisted of deciding what would be on the demand list... and in consensus form. Consensus among a crowd of rotating individuals is impossible. In addition, this is painfully unproductive. With a little creative, IP filtering, and a voting system, the internet can make a decision of a single viable action. For instance; student loans, mortgage forgiveness, healthcare, or corporate person-hood. The list is endless, and consensus will never be reached.
If voting is enabled, the top choice can be selected as the demand, a final well filtered vote taken, and the next round of decisions enabling that demand voted on. For instance, if student loans are chosen, a next likely vote would be, and here is the kicker, what to actually do about it. There are plenty of solutions; for instance, demanding loan forgiveness, enforcing a nonprofit model for loan providers (like healthcare once was when it was cheaper), or national public and private institution tuition caps.
Choices need to be made. Even the 300 people in attendance could not decide or make those demands happen, obviously. Steps need to be taken that can be adopted by a far wider crowd than college students with too much time on their hands. We need actions that can be enacted by folks stuck working 80 hour weeks at three jobs to pay insane rents. Lets vote something insane like everyone stops paying student loans and see what happens. If we want change, we have to make change.
I totally agree modilion; ha The best thing we can do, is be united in our intention, and voice - ex: be present for change, and tackle 1 issue at a time; ex: forgiving student load debt: there's now over 400,000 signatures to forgive student loan dept already - if all occupying took that on, and all of us, standing by them in spirit, and in action, flooded the system with 1 point of action, there's no way they can not take action. And then the next, and then the next.
I propose criteria (if there hasn't been already: for choosing that one thing:
something that would benefit 100,000's of thousands of people, immediately (and therefore garner widespread support) for
Something that is not so drastic that politicans would feel like the groundswell of public support/demand they would experience would be far bigger than the flack they would get from their donors; or to say another way, that it'd be more painful to not take a legislative action, than to take it, and save "face" by doing so, because the people (truly) "made me do it."
with an automated system, let's say everyone was to vote on their top choice; via a online process, as determined, and then tie something to it;
ex: re: student loans, there's already 400,000 signatures of support, for forgiveness. If this is the issue, then give a reasonable amount of time, then those that put their hat in the ring (say, almost .5 millon, stop paying on them(!)
we need at least these subforums;
Formal Conversational Logic
Agreed.
To the subforums, I'd probably add one just on "actions." Photo collections, blogs, similar movements, etc.