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Forum Post: Defacto: Backwards Parasitic Global System, Uncaring Congress, Deaf President, Cozy Regulators, Blind Populous, Privateering

Posted 5 years ago on June 26, 2012, 5:03 p.m. EST by Middleaged (5140)
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Yeah, Everything is backwards in the US now.

1) Free Enterprise is oligopoly, government subsidies (like bank Loans from the FED), and Taxpayer liability for mistakes made by business and layoffs by business.

2) Free Market is big money and big bank control of all US and much of global markets.

3) Our Mixed Economy can not be defined any longer by social programs and capitalism. There is No Individual Savings Interest Rate to encourge responsible behavior and savings. And there is no National concern about having no Individual Savings Interest rate. Banks are making 8% and more on Student Loan Rates (as far I know) when the Federal Reserve Interest Rate is at Historic Low. No concern there in Congress. Small Businesses are the Real Base of the US Economy, but Congress only caters to Big Business and Big Business Lobbyist. There is no concern about the Loan rate to Small Business and the current rate of Small Business Start ups. No word from Congress on the Importance of Manufacuring in the US and its endless benefits to the US Economy.

4) Uncaring: No concern that Investment in R&D and Education is at an all time low (as far as I know). When a country stops investing in the Future, you have to import Technical workers from Asia.

5) Corrupt: Congress doesn't even bother with Congressional Functions like passing budgets and declaring war.

6) Rich people have learned from History how easy it is to deceive poeople and fool them to work for very little, take credit and loans to get what they want, and hide that fact that spending and loans makes people poor. (But that is why we have a consumer society and consumer economy)

7) Rich have learned that it is only 5 or 10 years for a people to forget scandals. That is why we have had Presidents assasinated for wanting government control of money creation, national archives are wiped clean of the attemped coup on FDR, and people forgot who the "Money Trust" was from 1910.

8) Corrupt: Money buys Tax Loop holes for the Wealthy. There is no AMT, Alternative Minimum Tax for the rich, because the rich have a lobby against it. And a lobby for Carrying Fee (interest) tax at 15%. (Romney).

9) Corrupt: Banks serve themselves instead of a public purpose. This is the result of the Lobby that installed the Federal Reserve in 1913, create the current banking cartel, and deregulated the industry starting in 1970.

10) Defacto: Now War is not evil but a beneficial, democratizing process. (see Jimmy carter Opinion Article 22 June 2012). But War is not good and does not bring good... it destroys nations, economies, futures, savings of common people, homes, lives, and brings toxic radiation, chemicals, and disease.

11) Defacto: US Education is not affordable even though necessary for good wages. Banks join in the evil with high interest college loans.

12) Defacto: Courts are owned by the powerful and rich. That is why foreclosure documents weren't needed to kick people out of their houses and take their homes away. Common people can't afford to file lawsuits to gain remedies.

13) Defacto: Third World Countries are hustled by the IMF into loans they can not afford, under conditions that make them slaves not free. And they are fed lies about the science of economics that stiffles the government and the people for decades.

14) Defacto: The big Global Players travel the world looking for more natural resources and labor to exploit. It doesn't matter to a corporation if it's strategic planning leaves countries with no way to strengthen, grow normal industry, or leave displaced villagers with out traditional homes or culture.

15) Defacto: There is No more Land to Grab, No More Slaves to Exploit, No Legal Drug Trade like Opium to force on the Chinese, ... So Corporations have to secure Patents, the ability to grant Credit and Make Loans, Create New Financial Derivatives, Control Real Estate Bubbles, horn in on the Technology companies and secure their financing, buy up weaker US Companies as in Private Equity Funds, Handle Mergers of Large Global Corporations, Manipulate Stock Markets and Commodities Markets with Computers, Seek ownership of unique natural resources like rare metals, and leverage technology to analyze where money is and where it is being spent so that they can use computers or other advantages to steal or take money out of the Money Flow

16) Defacto: We live in a World of Privateering privateering is authorized by national authorities and therefore a legitimate form of war-like activity by non-state actors.




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[-] 2 points by Middleaged (5140) 5 years ago

FED Knew about LIBOR Rate setting Fraud in 2008. The Federal Reserve of New York is a Regulator despite what Ben Bernanke said in 2008. So it is 4 whole years that we know Rate setting has been going on costing money to our towns, cities, states, governments, our businesses, and our own mortgages and car loans. And the FED knew all about it. We call this:

1) Price Fixing
2) Violation of Anti-Trust Laws
3) Oligopoly Behavior, Fraud, Racketeering,
4) Part of the Long Con that Matt Taibbi was talking about
5) We've heard that the Mafia learn this from the Banks


Darrell Duffie, a Stanford University finance professor who has followed the Libor issue for several years, said that he believed regulators were "on the case reasonably quickly" after questions were raised in 2008.

"It appears that some regulators, at least at the New York Fed, indeed knew there was a problem at that time. New York Fed staff have subsequently presented some very good research on the likely level of distortions in Libor reporting," Duffie said. "I am surprised, however, that the various regulators in the U.S. and UK took this long to identify and act on the misbehavior."

[-] 1 points by dreamingforward (394) from Gothenburg, NE 5 years ago

Another explanation for this bizarre situation is that evil itself has confused the natural state and predilections of the masses.

[-] 1 points by atki4564 (1259) from Lake Placid, FL 5 years ago

Agreed, it's "privateering" pirate society, so a new constitution is needed for new times, as follows:

We the peoples, in order to secure Freedom and Justice for All, do enact this Constitution for Strategic International Systems LLC (or SIS LLC) as summarized in the following Business Operations Forecast:

The customer value mission of SIS LLC is (1) to organize all customer-investors into 3,000 investment squad sites of 16 friends (or virtual specialties), and related internet investment legislatures of 50,000 friends (or virtual towns), requiring (2) a $20 weekly capital contribution for 1 year (or $1,000) to (3) create your investment club bank of 50,000 friends (or physical town) -- that is, having $50 million in initial assets -- which (4) due to the operation of today’s fractional banking system becomes (5) $500 million in new annual business loans (or $10,000 in new annual individual loans, plus $10,000 more credit every year thereafter) from yourself as a new bank officer to yourself as a new business officer who (6) takes 75% employee business control as business officer-investors and 25% customer business control as bank officer-investors of (7) your specific 12 businesses (or investments) in your new bank investment account wherein (8) your investor voting power equals (9) your 1 of 12 levels of experience in (10) your 1 of 12 sectors in 1 of 50 industries in 1 of 200 occupations in 1 of 3,000 specialities which (11) votes-upon your purchasing (or investment) orders as (12) proposed by your employee-elected chain of command.

This means you will have 75% employee business control over your workplace as business officers and, as bank officers, 25% customer business control over all 12 investments (or businesses) in your new bank investment account. In turn, with this 100% town-level business control of your 3,000 workplaces, you can decrease your 12 customer consumption expenses by 75% for services, vehicles, education, retail, food, construction, technology, manufacturing, wholesale, health, justice, and banking expenses; that is, over your first 12 years of SIS LLC membership using a 75% more effective and efficient town design, and related 3,000 workplace designs (herein). Furthermore, while creating your new town & workplace design as described by this constitution, you will replace today’s communist big businesses, and related big governments, with your new small investment club banks, and related small businesses (or investments), as proposed, financed, and patronized by your 3,000 investment squad sites of 16 friends (or virtual specialties) in your internet investment legislature of 50,000 friends (or virtual town).

Why? First, because today’s executive business income (mostly from bank or financial asset income) is 33% of all income which is a huge amount of upper 1% income to split among yourselves as new bank officers having 25% customer business control, right? Second, because today’s executive business wealth is 42% of all wealth which is a huge amount of upper 1% wealth to split among yourselves as new business officers having 75% employee business control; that is, only after becoming new bank officers (above) first, right?

For example, this means if you earn $12/hour today, then you will earn $36/hour tomorrow after adding (1) your old wage income, plus (2) your 33% (more and new) interest income as a new bank officer, plus (3) your 42% (more and new) dividend & gain income as a new business officer. Together, these 4 sources of wealth & income from your specific 12 businesses (or investments) will double your net worth every 6-12 years (until retirement); that is, from the compound interest decline of today's upper 1% executives whom you will replace as the new bank & business investor-officers. So, with this power, let’s end today’s communist big businesses, and related big governments, okay? How? By helping to operate your own Business Operations Forecast (above) at http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/StrategicInternationalSystems/ in combination with NextDoor.com; so help us help you, today!

The full specification, if you don't fully understand the above, is at: https://docs.google.com/a/strategicinternationalsystems.com/document/pub?id=1mKKLMTIyvRCLK2ppPj_GDjdieCvJnATaZaCmlajubWU

[-] 1 points by Middleaged (5140) 5 years ago

Exponential Growth from $1000 per year in an Investment Club/Commune.

1) Investment Clubs in which everyone has their own account is probably okay.
2) Not sure what kind of Bank you are talking about forming. I assume a Savings & Loan or a Community CO-OP or a Credit Union.
3) I'm guessing with Compounding Interest of quarterly dividends at a maximum of 10% you are just alking about an extra $1000 per year at 6 years into the club. But you are charging a very high interest rate to people in your CO-OP.
4) The big picture is hard to make out in you plan. But it seems to be a combination of Business Plan for a CO-OP and an Investment Club where would assume everyone has their own individual Savings Account. The numbers are not compelling in that it seems to be a broken model - where someone is paying high interest rates????
5) Oh It is more of a Commune, a town, a farm, a CO-OP Technology community with shared work, shared investment, comingling of funds... Problem areas are likely to be dealing with people that don't cooperate and possible embezzlement.

6) Fractional Reserve Banking Model 1:10, reserve .10 and loan out 10 times as you explain below, with democratic ownerhips and control of bank officer/CEO/Management.

[-] 1 points by atki4564 (1259) from Lake Placid, FL 5 years ago

None of the above, the actual return for a bank investor-officer is much than 10% For example, if you invest a $1,000 in capital you can loan out 10 times more (or $10,000). If you loan that out at 10%, then your interest income is $1,000 on a $1,000 investment, or a 100% return per year (but you have to have 50,000 people and a CEO plus staff to make that return). That's why banks earn 33% of all profit (10 times higher than any other industry except health care). Consequently, if you are not a bank investor-officer, you're nobody because the entire business and government system revolves around bank investor-officers, right?

Co-op, credit union, bank; the name doesn't matter, for a bank is a bank as long it operates under the regulations, but no one has ever operated a bank like above because that would put the lower 99% workers in charge of upper 1% managers as bank investor-officers, and from that, business investor-officers. Read the rest of the proposal using bottom link to really understand how it works for lower 99% workers against upper 1% managers.

[-] 2 points by Middleaged (5140) 5 years ago

Intriguing, it does capture my writers imagination.

6) Fractional Reserve Banking Model 1:10, reserve .10 and loan out 10 times as you explain below, with democratic ownerhips and control of bank officer/CEO/Management.

Concern: that initially 90% of people or maybe only a majority 51% of people will have "Trust" issues. Worried about fraud and embezzlement. But you only need 50K to start and that is 'doable'. Now I wonder if people might demand to live in the same small geographic or municipal area to watch over their investment and know the CEO/management...

My imagination of sociology: I can imagine the most altruistic, down to earth, mature, bankers, as being Jewish (movies), Quakers, Amish, etc. I can 'imagine' a Jewish banker buying a whole building, managing a whole scheme like yours, democratic control, decentralized decision making, common benefit, common risk, common community concern, common progress, equality, hope, liberty, freedom, etc. Then they would all work on solving the education system probelms by lending text books, volunteering some teaching time to childeren. And perhaps some of the adults would volunteer to help mentor, train, and apprentise some of the unskilled adults.

Religion is a non topic to most people. I assume most of us are sectarian or have separated governance from religion. If there is any sililarity to a commune, then there is some agreement if religion applies at all. Religious leaders can be patriarical and can assume some level of authroity or control over ideas or claim 'a high ground' over the correct ideas.

But authority figures can be former government, military, police, firemen, professors, scientist, steel workers, construction, union leaders, etc... any person with a higher education degree or management experience. It never ends.

YOUR GOOGLE DOC: Clearly any individual would have to make a decision to join an enterprise with set rules. It is a contract. More serious than joining a new church, temple, or school. It is laid out like a system, a business system, with transferable responsibilities like a condo association.

So...The appeal of SIS is going to start out slow till it catches on. Customer Value has appeal in the US and Europe. But I find customer service is lacking as a value to many people around the world. SIS seems like a very big commitment.

[-] 1 points by atki4564 (1259) from Lake Placid, FL 5 years ago

As it concerns your ability to "trust", the chain of command cited has depth and breath, and it's therefore very difficult to "embezzle" because there are, in total, 12 layers of electable rank "watching" specific lives, property, and information, as it relates to your specific 12 businesses (or investments). So, just as Christ said to be "watchful" (along with every other transcendental leader), so must you be "watchful" of your 12 businesses (or investments), but you'll hardly be alone as teams, squads, etc, of customer-investors, and related employee-investors. Having that many eyes with specific financial interest in each of your specific 12 businesses (or investments) is much sharper auditing than is done today, where basically only upper 1% manager give a damn about embezzlement because they are the only ones who embezzle (ponzi schemes, etc). Most people are decent and watchful, especially when they have a direct financial interest in a business (or investment).

As it concerns "sociology", agreed, an altruistic jewish banker, such as the teachings of Christ, is the example I cite most often when it comes to how to achieve freedom and justice for all.

That said, as it concerns "religion", especially today's so-called organized religions, in the end there will only be one religion, and that's the law (or science). Christ, for example, was (and still is, in my opinion) a superb teacher of the law (or science) of sociology. Much of what I have written in the above constitution has as its foundation the mathematical relational sets that Christ first detailed in his "parables (or riddles)" which are actually a mathematical description of sound sociological principles (if you look at the numbers and examples in his riddles closely).

As it concerns "authority", yes, anyone who seeks to educate themselves with ever more educational classes (out of 850 total classes) will automatically earn more electable income & rank in coordination with compound interest, over time, in their specific 12 businesses (or investments), as class certifications exchange. Their electable income & rank, therefore, is both knowledge-class-and-investment-class-interdependent.

As it concerns the "document", yes, exactly, it is an Enlistment Contract (very similar to military service) which mathematically defines what needs, goals, and most importantly, research-sectors (or problems) you wish to pursue (as your "pursuit of happiness") in order to earn your electable income and rank. In this, people must always make their own decisions about what studies of art and science they wish to pursue as their idea of "happiness".

As it concerns "customer service", this is the beginning and the end of freedom and justice for all, because without each individual having the desire to "serve" with respect for and loyalty to freedom and justice for all, then their can be no freedom and justice for themselves as individuals, so it's "one for all, and all for one" or all are "pawns" (or serfs, slaves, etc) to today's upper 1% bank & businesses investor-officers (who certainly have respect and loyalty for themselves, if not us, the serfs). Consequently, it's not their fault they are unjust dictators as employee-investors, it's our fault as customer-investors who refuse to be the "customer king" as 50,000 consumption purchasing officers representing their internet investment legislature of 50,000 (or virtual town) in their 1 of 50,000 product purchasing types. This is "customer service", and it is the basis (or "rock") of the law (or science) as it pertains to securing freedom and justice for all, locally, and if you wish, globally as well.

[-] 1 points by Middleaged (5140) 5 years ago

Religion: Have heard Albert Einstein and Tom Edison saw a lot of promise in Buddhism BTW.


Individualism in SIS: Wonder how people who espose individualism would fare in SIS... and those that are creative, slow thinker, slow workers, might fall outside the SIS. I gather that the SIS system is logical, merit driven, partly incentive driven, and relies on each persons ability to express himself, communicate with others, and work with others.

Competitive SIS: Fits into Business world and the US Productivity.

Structural SIS: Chosing Study and Career, making decisions is good for many people. Perhaps similarly to the Military or Catholic Church Teachings.

[-] 1 points by atki4564 (1259) from Lake Placid, FL 5 years ago

There are 4 deep questions there, so I'll reply individually over time.

As it concerns "Einstein": After Christ, Einstein is my 2nd favorite scientist, for when asked --"What is the most powerful force in the universe?" -- he replied: "Compound Interest". I agree, compound interest is, by far, the most powerful force in the universe; however, it's not the most important force, which is respect for and loyalty to freedom and justice for all; that is, using compound interest applied using natural social law as first best described by Christ, my favorite scientist.

I disagree with Einstein in his belief that a "personal God" can only be an "unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it." Physical science can only reveal 4% of the law (or science), the other 96% of the law (or science) cannot be found in the study of physics alone, but in the much more difficult mathematical subjects (or objects) of physics-to-chemistry-to-biology-to-psychology-to-sociology (the hardest of all mathematical objects). Since Einstein was only concerned (for the most part) with the study of physics, then his understanding of Justice (or God), and related sociology (the really hard math), was limited. However, given his great accomplishments in physics, he is easily forgiven, and much loved. Nonetheless, had Einstein devoted more time to the mathematical study of sociology, and thus to all 5 major sciences above, then it would have helped him make even greater discoveries in physics, for he would have discovered that sociology is 4 orders of magnitude more mathematically complicated than the study of physics (the easiest math of the 5 sciences above). Nonetheless, Einstein is still my 2nd favorite scientist after Christ.

As it concerns "the religion of Buddhism”, all religions must necessarily teach the same thing in order to reveal the law (or science). For example, Christianity teaches the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit whereas Buddhism teaches the Three Jewels: the Buddha, the Dharma (the teachings), and the Sangha (the community). However, since religions often serve to divide rather than unify humans, I think their present usefulness, other than citing their authors as great social scientists, is limited. That said, Justice (or God) is an extremely personal and private mathematical object to me, with many "ghost gone wild" elements. In that "ghost gone wild", I am deeply a product of the culture in which I was raised and educated, so Christ is pivotal to me. However, other people, of course, may choose to learn from Buddha, or Mohammed, or Confucius, etc, and yet, whomever they choose to learn from must teach the same thing to reveal the law (or science). There is much more I could say on this infinitely transcendental subject (or object) of Justice (or God), but to do so is to get into the "ghost gone wild", which is very personal and private to me. Were I a clever man, then I would speak to you about Justice (or God) in the same way Christ did, using riddles (or parables), but I’m not that clever, preferring the clarity of mathematical observation to discover the law (or science) as a service to Justice (or God), and hence, “the people”, but not disclosing anything beyond that out of respect for the "ghost gone wild".

[-] 1 points by geo (2638) from Concord, NC 5 years ago

As it concerns "Einstein": After Christ, Einstein is my 2nd favorite scientist, for when asked --"What is the most powerful force in the universe?" -- he replied: "Compound Interest"

Einstein never said that, nor would he ever have said that unless in jest as a physicist....it is a misquote. The actual quote is:

“Compound interest is the eighth wonder of the world. He who understands it, earns it ... he who doesn't ... pays it.” ― Albert Einstein

Nonetheless, had Einstein devoted more time to the mathematical study of sociology, and thus to all 5 major sciences above, then it would have helped him make even greater discoveries in physics, for he would have discovered that sociology is 4 orders of magnitude more mathematically complicated than the study of physics (the easiest math of the 5 sciences above).

You have a problem with understanding science in general. Science concerns itself with the objective. 'Soft sciences' and I hate that the term science is even involved in these studies, have a large subjective component. Subjective knowledge can not be tested and reproduced, which is why true science discarded it's usefulness ages ago.

As it concerns "the religion of Buddhism”, all religions must necessarily teach the same thing in order to reveal the law (or science).

Religion and science are two different animals. Religion is a completely subjective experience, science deals with the objective.... they have different goals, methods, and standards.

[-] 1 points by atki4564 (1259) from Lake Placid, FL 5 years ago

Okay, I'll take your word for it on the Einstein quote (I can't remember where I got it). Nevertheless, compound interest is still, by far, the most powerful force. Why? Because it related to human activity, and human activity is far more destructive (or creative) than most of what nature's other activities.

True, the "soft sciences" don't really test their theories objectively. However SIS LLC is an objective business plan, not "soft science". Perhaps you could read the first paragragh at https://docs.google.com/a/strategicinternationalsystems.com/document/pub?id=1mKKLMTIyvRCLK2ppPj_GDjdieCvJnATaZaCmlajubWU and let me know what you think of its mission (or objective).

As for "religion and science are two different animals. What I'm saying is that the law (or science), in the end, will be the only religion left standing (assuming humans survive their religious emotions and don't destroy us all using science).

[-] 1 points by geo (2638) from Concord, NC 5 years ago

Why? Because it related to human activity, and human activity is far more destructive (or creative) than most of what nature's other activities.

Your comparisons are far, far, far off base....

"A fully developed hurricane can release heat energy at a rate of 5 to 20x10^13 watts and converts less than 10% of the heat into the mechanical energy of the wind. The heat release is equivalent to a 10-megaton nuclear bomb exploding every 20 minutes. According to the 1993 World Almanac, the entire human race used energy at a rate of 10^13 watts in 1990, a rate less than 20% of the power of a hurricane."


Thats just one storm in our weather system. If you want to talk about how much force and energy was required to create Himalaya's that's a whole 'nother realm of power that we don't even come close to achieving.

That's just nature here on our planet. Get out into the galaxies where black holes destroy entire star systems and fusion begins in dense clouds of hydrogen, and you might begin to see how small mankind fits into the scheme of things and how minuscule the power of 'compound interest' becomes.

What I'm saying is that the law (or science), in the end, will be the only religion left standing

Science is not a religion.

As for your business plan, it may be an objective plan. What I find disturbing is your doc titled "JusticeIsServedEmpoweringAll100Percent.pdf"

On page 14 you talk about replacing 'alcohol-drug infested urban blight', but your plan for doing so is by building a gated community with high walls to keep the 'others' out (as you put it).

This doesn't benefit the 100% but pushes aside all those that can't afford the buy in to your self contained utopian islands. Where is the plan to help those that are truly in need? The alcohol, drugged, or homeless because the system scammed them, and now they have no resources? Doesn't seem very Christian at all.

Mathew 25:34-45

"34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’

45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’

[-] 1 points by atki4564 (1259) from Lake Placid, FL 5 years ago

Your opinion "that science is not a religion" is just that, an opinion. My opposite opinion is that, for some people, the law (or science) is their religion. This is true, for them, even though only some of the law (or science) can be found in religion while most of the law (or science) cannot be found in religion. For example, Christ, as a religion unto himself, spoke much, and accurately, of the law (or science), but not of all the law (or science), which of course would have spoiled the surprise for us. Consequently, if you think that the law (or science) is completely separate from all elements of religion, such as Christ, then again we respectfully agree to disagree.

[-] 1 points by geo (2638) from Concord, NC 5 years ago

Your opinion "that science is not a religion" is just that, an opinion.

This isn't opinion I hold but fact. From all of your writings, you have shown that you really don't understand science, especially if you believe that it is a religion.

The standard definitions of what determines a religion all include: "the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods"

Science does not deal with any worship of a god or gods or superhuman activity at all.....these are subjective experiences. They can't be objectively observed, reproduced, or tested. The hallmark attributes of science.

Science is a tool wherein investigators use a prescribed method that is designed to eliminate as much as possible subjective bias from objective observations. Science only deals with the objective physical observable universe.

Many scientists are religious, but that doesn't mean that science is.... far from it.

[-] 0 points by atki4564 (1259) from Lake Placid, FL 5 years ago

I assert that Justice (or God) can be "objectively observed, reproduced, or tested" and I'm in process of proving it mathematically in the new constitution which, unfortunately, I may never be able to test, in a controlled manner, without organizing 1 town of 50,000 friends to operate the individual operations forecast, so we'll see when we see. For now, let's just agree to disagree, agreed?

[-] 2 points by geo (2638) from Concord, NC 5 years ago

Justice, laws, morality are all relative and meaningful only within the context of the society you are raised with..... all subjective once again. History has demonstrated this time and again.

What is absolutely taboo in one culture can be fully accepted and integral in another.... cannibalism comes to mind, which was rampant in the New World before Europeans came here. Strangely cannibalistic tendencies continued in Europe until the 1850's.


I persist because you are actively seeking investment money for this 'system' or utopian experiment.

[-] 1 points by atki4564 (1259) from Lake Placid, FL 5 years ago

Added object: free $1,000 individual capital contribution to the new constitution. I hesitated to add this earlier because I didn't want people to get into the habit of thinking they could get something for nothing. However, your "persistence" about my "actively seeking investment money" changed my mind. The truth is that SIS is all about empowering "people", not "money". Thx.

[-] 1 points by atki4564 (1259) from Lake Placid, FL 5 years ago

I'm talking about economic law (or science), not devil-may-care political law (or science) which, I agree, can go off on extremely superstitious tangents, such as "cannibalism" (way in the past, I think). Such concepts as "cannibalism" (and similar concepts today) are far removed from safe and sound economic law (or science). However, the new constitution, while designed to give complete control to each town over their local customs and traditions as their political law (or science), is designed so that the administrative command-quadrant (or government) must locate it's world, national, state, and county offices in each town equally. Consequently, each town will have 25% administrative employee-investors who are entirely devoted to economic law (or science), not devil-may-care political law (or science), and thus will be very significant economic/political influence over that town's political law (or science).

As it conerns "actively seeking money", I'm not seeking "money" but "people" to join my site as well as create their own NextDoor.com site. Granted, I haven't specified it in the new constitution yet, but there need not be any $1,000 individual capital contribution made to start their generational town bank. Why? Because if you have a neighborhood site of 50,000 friends and 50,000 consumption purchasing officers operating 1 of 50,000 product purchasing types, and related collective bargaining negotiations with wholesale suppliers and transport distributors (like UPS), then you can charge the supplier (or big corporation) an 8-25% cash rebate fee on all their consumer purchases without raising those consumer purchase prices due to economies of scale (see Core Purchasing Group in step 1 of individual operations forecast as hard cold mathematical evidence of this). Consequently, for those whom $1,000 is too much to risk (which, unfortunately, includes 75% of today's Americans), they need only gather themselves into a neighborhood web site, operate collective bargaining negotiations with suppliers, and get their $1,000 bank capital contribution for free from those suppliers while the prices they pay for their consumer purchases remain the same. No cash needed.

Consequently, it's not "utopia", it's economic law (or science) that operates to create "utopia" -- guaranteed.

[-] 1 points by atki4564 (1259) from Lake Placid, FL 5 years ago

Read all 12 steps of the individual operations forecast at https://docs.google.com/a/strategicinternationalsystems.com/document/pub?id=1mKKLMTIyvRCLK2ppPj_GDjdieCvJnATaZaCmlajubWU and then really think, think hard, about what the most powerful force in the universe is, or certainly can be, if you, as just 1 town of 50,000 friends, operate that individual operations forecast. This is especially true as applied by step 7 & 10 there, right?

[-] 1 points by geo (2638) from Concord, NC 5 years ago

really think, think hard, about what the most powerful force in the universe is

As a physical scientist I've spent my life thinking about the most powerful forces of the universe and studied them. Human will power, while able to achieve great things, is not one of them. I don't delude myself.

Step 7, centers around research as a business. Pure R&D does not work like that... even our government and most governments around the world recognize this. Research for research sake, just adding to the knowledge base has always been essential, and the paybacks have been extremely long term, which is why the work is subsidized..... it doesn't work in a business plan format. The ROI is unsure, risk is very high.... regardless the need for pure R&D is essential.

Step 10...

Note: When you achieve immortality (sooner than you think), you must begin the colonization of space using your 1 of 12 life stars of 50,000 friends, and your related 1 of 2,400 starships of 250 friends (as perimeter); otherwise, you will quickly kill your Mother Earth in only a few generations; so go, at age 72 (or every 12 years per generation), as 2,000 separate armadas (above) from earth to various stars with the following mission, and related operations: “To explore strange new worlds, to seek out new life and (and create) new civilizations, to boldly (and immortally) go where no human has gone before.”

[-] 1 points by atki4564 (1259) from Lake Placid, FL 5 years ago

As for "human will power", that human will power will have the ability to create its own universes someday. No, I can't prove this mathematically, but I'm sure there are a few your "physical scientist" friends who can give you a good argument for this, if not me, right?

[-] 1 points by geo (2638) from Concord, NC 5 years ago

Only if they discuss technologies and methods that don't exist today, for which they have no proof will exist in the future.

I believe in progress, and we have progressed far and will continue to do so. I remember going to the '64 Worlds Fair in NY as a kid. Fantastic worlds were being described that were to be in existence today. Great entertainment. Except for the video phone, which was actually invented 30 years earlier, I can't think of anything they predicted that came into being.

[-] 1 points by atki4564 (1259) from Lake Placid, FL 5 years ago

Only because they didn't have a new constitution, with quite different mathematics of control, did they not create these wonders. The law (or science) is about socioeconomic sequence. Sequence is key. Follow the sequence as outlined in the individual operations forecast (plus quite a few other objects, and related operations, I'm still mathematically specifying) and you get your "fantastic world".

[-] 1 points by atki4564 (1259) from Lake Placid, FL 5 years ago

With all due respect to you personally, we agree to disagree. I think that "pure" R&D can become "applied" R&D within a reasonable long-term ROI, such as 30 years, which is about what happens now. Otherwise, it's a write-off, and write-offs happen.

[-] 1 points by geo (2638) from Concord, NC 5 years ago

Then you may as well have 'deep six'ed' fusion research which has been going on for more than 30 years without any ROI, but is still more than worthy of funding because of its potential.

There are many examples, including the human genome project.

Not everything is business friendly, the perfect example is research.

[-] 1 points by atki4564 (1259) from Lake Placid, FL 5 years ago

True. However, the new constitution includes 4% progressive charitable aid from all employee production income for such very long-term projects, and 4% of world (or national) income is more than enough funding for such very long-term projects. However, that's only 4% progressive charitable aid that you as physical scientists collectively and individually control according to your 1 of 12 levels of experience (or time) in study (or certified class examination) of marketing, engineering, science, and administration using the class certifications exchange. Therefore, given that physical scientists have very high levels of experience (or time) in engineering and science classes, and related objects & operations (if certified by your own administration today), then you will effectively control 2% of world (or national) income for your very long-term projects, like "fusion". I think that should more than enough for your non-30-year-ROI-projects, okay?

[-] 1 points by atki4564 (1259) from Lake Placid, FL 5 years ago

SIS is all about empowering the poor-in-spirit through free online training (or gaming), and even free individual capital contributions (from businesses forced to contribute to the poor-in-spirit) to start their generational bank and build their generational town, and related multi-generational city (which I haven't explained yet in the constitution but will get to eventually in the service and banking manuals). Will elaborate further on this tonight as time permits.

[-] 1 points by atki4564 (1259) from Lake Placid, FL 5 years ago

I said in a previous post that that "JusticeIsServed".pdf is highly dated and that I will only defend what Christ said as it relates to, mathematically, the new constitution, not that I would defend anything else in that book (which I wrote 10 years ago, and is highly dated). Will reply to other comments as time permits -- enjoying this discussion, thx.

[-] 1 points by Middleaged (5140) 5 years ago

You may be describing what I call soft science and saying it is the most difficult math or science. Science has to follow the scientific method and this seems to limit the scope of study. Currently I can't see how anyone can call Economics science because even the economist who use many models can not account for all of the variables. There is no real control when attempting to study macro economics, because no country exists in a bubble, there are many different laws and regulations to account for, many kinds of competition and costs that are creatated almost daily, and the human factor always confounds models (mathmatics).

That is not really an objection of mine, just some discussion. Sorry for not replying sooner, but the subject is multifaceted and requires thought. I spent some time last week looking for more information about different kinds of math. I didn't find any reference to an esoteric math. Perhaps I misread your words a bit. I don't see any realtionship between math and Christ. Although now rereading I wonder if you are saying that social behavior has a correct path. That there are limited and known possiblities in most of our personal social situations. I have heard that rocket science is fairly simple, so I am with you on that. Heard that Einstein had a unique ability to visualize experiments in his mind. Perhaps it was a 3 dimensional imagination. Or perhaps it was his relationship with God or a kind of intuition. But are you saying that there is a progression in science from physics-to-chemistry-to-biology-to-psychology-to-sociology? I suppose it would make sense to study them in order as a child.

Actually the Buddha, Dharma, and Sangha is a perfect explaination for your SIS community. And I think I understand that most religons take us in the same direction.

Compound Interest: I've had to go back and try to find my place in this discussion. It would be easier if I was to imagine myself as a bank owner, but we all have many other roles and no doubt have to face our own fears, decisions, commitments, and regrets about decisons. I guessing that SIS would only appeal to Investors or entreprenuers. I understand a bit about investment, but...

Brick and Mortar SIS. Not sure you really need a building other than to meet federal and state requirements to be a bank. Perhaps that is something that the articles of incorporation (constitution) eliminates. Would people trust a bank and a contract from an entity that doesn't have a "Real" Building.

Interest Rate of 10% seems to be based on a policy apart from the normal banking system we have in the US. I don't mind the rate. It is higher than I might want for a short term personal loan. And it is higher than I want on a car loan or mortgage. So ...it appears to be something that a small business might consider if enough money could be available to him/her.

Your words ....."...the actual return for a bank investor-officer is much than 10% For example, if you invest a $1,000 in capital you can loan out 10 times more (or $10,000). If you loan that out at 10%, then your interest income is $1,000 on a $1,000 investment, or a 100% return per year (but you have to have 50,000 people and a CEO plus staff to make that return)..."

Yes, I think we should all want to become bankers. Is it likely?

What are the requirements to set up a bank, get the Federal Reserve Membership required?? Certainly there would be a mimimum capitalization. Is that why you say $50K is mimimum?

Actually the Brick and Mortar could just look like one of those Paycheck Loan/Payday Loan operations. And why couldn't more Americans open a business with permission to create money?

[-] 1 points by atki4564 (1259) from Lake Placid, FL 5 years ago

As it concerns "SIS would only appeal to Investors or entreprenuers". Exactly, it is the intent of SIS to turn a town of 50,000 friends into bank officer-investors (or "investors") and business officer-investors (or "entrepreneurs". Why? Because of the numerous customer and employee benefits cited in the Individual Operations Forecast, such as working mindless jobs 75% less (or 75% of today's jobs 75 % less). However, it's hard for people to wrap their head around the totality of the math if they read the constitution, which is why SIS LLC is not just a constitution, by a virtual-to-physical-reality-game specification for children (ages 7-13). SIS, the constitutional game, will hide (or automate) the complexity of the math so that even a 7-year-child could operate as a bank & business officer-investor over time; that is, as the child learns to program the game; meaning, the child must learn to program business operations, accounting, and finance according to today's law (especially banking law, which can simple if taken in small doses everyday). However, it's even more simple than you might think. For example, this SIS application (or game) would be very similar to Microsoft's application, called Kudo (for kids), at http://fuse.microsoft.com/page/kodu . Kudo allows the child to program their own virtual reality game without having to know any complex programming language (or math) but is nevertheless programming a complex game anyway. If you download their Kudo game and look at the interface, you'll see the child programming into a "circle" with seemingly simple time loops and seemingly simple conditions (or decisions). Likewise, SIS has a great many such programming circles (or time loops), and related conditions (or decisions) for the child (or adult) to make as cited in the constitution. Programming circles are much easier to understand for children (or adults), so much so that even a child (or adult) can quickly learn to program ever more complex virtual-to-physical-reality game for themselves using Kudo-like design for SIS, and thus lead the child (or adult) to complexly program their new role as a new bank & business officer-investor in complete accordance with the depth of today's banking and business law (or science), but without the complexity of the math which is hidden so that even a child (or adult) could understand how to program themselves as an officer-investor. Operate enough SIS programming circles ever deeper into the constitution (or spec) as a child (or adult) over time and the SIS child (or adult) will understand how to operate themselves as bank & business officer-investor according to today's law (or science). This is why Christ, for example, said: "You must become like children, for the Kingdom of God (or Justice) is for the children". Pretty cool, huh.

[-] 1 points by atki4564 (1259) from Lake Placid, FL 5 years ago

In fact, as it concerns the "esoteric math" of Christ, you can pick ANY riddle (or parable) you want from the ANY of the Gospels, and I'll explain to you the law (or science) of socioeconomic math behind his thinking as relates to the constitution directly.

What's odd about Christ is that he chose to speak in riddles (or parables) instead of just laying out the socioeconomic math, which he obviously knew from my perspective in analyzing what he said. It's as if Christ was being deliberately obtuse (or funny) in order to entertain the crowd which didn't understand a riddle (or parable) he said (except the simple give to the poor stuff). Not even his disciples truly understood as he did. That's why I believe the miracle thing (raising the dead, etc) is true because who would listen to a guy who spoke in riddles (or parables) which nobody understood, and then, on top of that, write it down and create a whole religion out of words they didn't understand unless the miracle thing were true. Personally, the miracle thing never impressed me, but the math behind the riddles (or parables) did; they're very deeply profound in terms of the socioeconomic design he was describing.

In fact, because of his "entertaining riddle" nature, I sometimes wonder if Christ wasn't actually an alien comedian from another planet who decided to have a little fun (for 3 years) with the dumb-ass humans. That said, I have nothing but the highest respect for Christ.

[-] 1 points by atki4564 (1259) from Lake Placid, FL 5 years ago

As it concerns the "esoteric math" of Christ, I wrote the following book (not published) about 10 years ago when I first began to get serious about defining the esoteric math of Christ in his riddles (or parables). His math had eaten at me for about 10 years prior to writing the below book. So, it was about 20 years ago when the initial revelation hit me (like a waterfall) upon reading the end of Covey's book, the 7 Habits of Highly Effective People, where he says everything I've told you about "psychology" can be found in "scripture". After that, the esoteric math of Christ jumped out me mathematically (and ate my mind for 10 years before I starting writing it down). Today, this book, 20 years later, is highly dated compared to the above constitution. Nonetheless, the above constitution is actually a very clear mathematical support for the "esoteric math" of Christ, and his related riddles (or parables). To see that initial inspiration in my thinking, therefore (many years ago) just skip all the narrative in the book and go straight to sections, many of them, where I quote Christ (all indented) in the following book. If you look at the narrative just before and after the indents then you will see how what I'm quoting of him relates to the above constitution (somewhat, but look hard, because the constitution is much more mathematical, now, than that first book). So, it's currently a "lose" mathematical relationship because I haven't has the time to re-write this book written 10 years ago. Had I the time to re-write the below book, I could directly relate the esoteric math of Christ to you in the above constitution (very clearly), but it's a matter of priority (constitution now or old book re-write now), so this is the best I can offer you for now, which is pretty good if look at both the constitution and this book for their "lose", but "parallel" relationships. Also, I'm a better writer now, than I was then, so don't expect anything Hemingway-like either, herein (beginning with quotes of Christ on page 25 and throughout). Some of it's pretty wacky from hindsight (10 years later), so don't ask me to defend anything in this book except what I quote from Christ.


[-] 1 points by Middleaged (5140) 5 years ago

I don't mind science fictional ideas and your document seems to explore city planning. Buckminster Fuller created the geodesic dome right. This seems appropriate for space stations or dome protected towns connected by subways (underground). Undergound transport would have less exposure to nuclear radiation.


[-] 1 points by atki4564 (1259) from Lake Placid, FL 5 years ago

It's actually based upon a NASA space station design for 10,000 people, and thus is a closed economic loop system at http://settlement.arc.nasa.gov/75SummerStudy/Table_of_Contents1.html . I'll be adding the logistical and design math from NASA for it over time. There are extremely expert references from a large cross-functional-design group from many universities for the city design; so, it's anything but "science fiction" (but I get your point, so I added the above link to mathematically prove the design -- thx).

[-] 1 points by Middleaged (5140) 5 years ago

Yeah, we are on the same page. I suppose looking at buildings and city managment is kind of fun. I took some time to try to surf a little on home designs...

[-] 1 points by atki4564 (1259) from Lake Placid, FL 5 years ago

Meaning, if you can create a closed economic loop for 10,000 people in space, then it's even easier to do that on earth for each town of 50,000 people, with the difference being that the 4-8% raw material needed (for producing commercial, residential, and industrial objects) will come from all over the earth (easier) instead of the moon (harder). Thus, like Japan, which has virtually no raw materials, you trade you expertise in engineering and science with the rest of the world for the 4-8% raw material expense.

[-] 1 points by atki4564 (1259) from Lake Placid, FL 5 years ago

Found an interesting site I need to analyze, http://www.inf.usi.ch/phd/wettel/codecity.html, so it will be a while before I get back to you. It directly addresses your "control" question.

[-] 1 points by atki4564 (1259) from Lake Placid, FL 5 years ago

I'll reply to one question at a time over the next few days.

As it concerns the "science" of economics, you're right, "there is no real control in economics" but SIS creates a 50% complete socioeconomic system at the town level because 50% of the economy is local (see step 1-6 of 12 in the individual operations forecast (right after business operations forecast on first page). Consequently, you can make a very controlled economic test for 50% of the economy. Furthermore, if you can control 50%, then you can automatically prove control of 100% (however indirect the variables), for 50% control is 100% control (implied). Still, getting 50,000 friends to create a NextDoor.com site for their neighborhood, and then use SIS.com for voting is the necessary condition for proving control mathematically. Unfortunately, it's very hard to get people to think in their own economic self-interest because that requires cooperation as investment groups and a little bit of math, which is why I'll eventually go door-to-door because people understand and respond much better when ( (or anyone) explains the constitution to them face-to-face. Most people are "verbal" learners not "written" learners, so internet communication makes this meeting of the minds very difficult.

[-] 0 points by atki4564 (1259) from Lake Placid, FL 5 years ago

Also, I moved the individual operations forecast, explaining customer and employee benefits, to the second concept explained in response to your query about "individualism", and related customer and employee benefits, which are prime (I just wasn't doing my marketing right by putting the "what's in it for me" part it so deep into the constitution. Thanks for reminding me to benefits first, math second.

[-] 0 points by atki4564 (1259) from Lake Placid, FL 5 years ago

As it concerns "individualism", this is always primary because the first thing people quite properly ask is: "What's in it for me?" As cited, what's in for them as individuals is "doubling your net worth in your 12 investments (or businesses) every 6-12 years" plus "75% employee business control as business investor-officers" and "25% customer business control as bank investor-officers". This means 75% individualism and 25% collectivism. Therefore, within your 12 diversified investments, you have 25% control collectively as customer-investors at the town-level in 11 investments (to provide your retirement income as highly limited investors controlling your town bank investment account which has 6 (or 50%) local investment groups and 6 (or 50%) global investment groups -- like having 11 mutual funds for retirement. Your 1 remaining investment after those 11, is your 75% control as employee-investors in your workplace; which workplace can be very local or very global depending on your company, such as local services company or a global manufacturing company. If you move, then you sell 12 securities in 1 town, and related business, and buy 12 securities in the next town, and related business, using the stock exchange (or NYSE). So, it's almost (or 75%) all about individualism. The paradox is that you get the most as an individual by working collectively, at the town-level, to become 25%-controlling bank investor-officers first, and thus implementing a 75% more effective and efficient town design, and from this, second, you also become 75%-controlling business investor-officers (by generation, by 1 of 12 levels of experience -- or time -- and related compound interest per investment).

I'm obviously not explaining all this in a way that people can easily understand in my 1-page summary, but it's damn difficult to "summarize" all operational processes, plus the cost/benefit characteristics, into a 1-page summary, but if it isn't 1-page, people won't bother to read it; however, they really need to read the entire constitution at the link, and then think about the totality of the math -- that is, as it is explained in pretty simple language -- in order to truly understand it. In that regard, the drawback of this new constitution is it's steep initial learning curve. That, and they almost all assume that it's all about collectivism, when it's really 75% individualism.

So you're writer? Do you do fiction or non-fiction? Because I could really use someone willing to write SIS as a novel, and you can keep all the royalties even if you use me for consulting (because I could care a less about money, being independent).

[-] 1 points by Middleaged (5140) 5 years ago

Actually I always wanted to write paperbacks and then heard that screen plays were just as easy or easier. But never wrote any stories. I have read a lot of paperbacks which are more my speed than nonfiction. I suppose I have an imagination.

Thought about your idea of having a novel written. Got as far as considering what city or cities I could use as background. Decided I was more cut out to write a crime and detective novel which would fit just fine with your SIS. And of course the Financial Crimes we see today fit in just fine. Financial Law enforcement and finanical regulators fit in just fine.

[-] 1 points by atki4564 (1259) from Lake Placid, FL 5 years ago

Yeah, right on, SIS is all about catching one criminal in particular, plus all his duped minions (ourselves); that is, cornering, cuffing, chaining, and caging Injustice (or Satan) -- mathematically. Injustice (or Satan) is everyone's ego while Justice (or God) is the law (or science). So please, pretty please, a detective novel would be perfect!

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 5 years ago

whoops too many numbers in a paragraph format

[-] 0 points by atki4564 (1259) from Lake Placid, FL 5 years ago

And that's another problem, people don't like math, but math is the basis ("the rock") of their prosperity.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 5 years ago

people understand tables

a 2d approach to format

[-] 1 points by atki4564 (1259) from Lake Placid, FL 5 years ago

The sentence explains the theory, the table the practice of data. Consequently, if you don't understand the theory, you won't understand the data (or table). You need both, but it's a matter of sequence (sentence first, table second) as applied from a study of psychology.Please don't bother me again with this line of reasoning. Focus on the math contained in the sentences, and think, first, and then you're questions, if any, will be lead to tables.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 5 years ago