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Forum Post: DEATH THREATS against OWS members and supporters

Posted 3 years ago on Nov. 5, 2011, 7:09 p.m. EST by TIOUAISE (2526)
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On Thursday November 3 at 6:11 p.m. EDT, a well-known troll going by the name "BowToYourKing" posted on this forum a completely inane announcement about McDonald's. This is the link to the post that has since been deleted since, although I kept a copy for my files :

http://occupywallst.org/forum/mcdonalds-has-just-made-an-ows-announcement/#comment-276814

As I usually do with such drivel, I aswered with a single word : "IGNORE".

That word was enough to infuriate "BowToYourKing" to the point that he responded : "Time to start shooting OWSers, starting with TIOUAISE".

As we all know, death threats on an Internet forum - in this case, against OWS members & supporters and myself - are expressly forbidden by law and result in a criminal record and possible charges.

I immediately contacted the Moderator and he/she never did respond, but the comment soon disappeared.

I then challenged "BowToYourKing" - let's call him BTYK - to explain himself and he responded in this way : "I didn't delete shit, dweeb. Fuck you and the moderator of this band of lazy, over entitled douchebags."

Interesting to note that BTYK never denied posting the threat. He merely denies deleting it personally - so I surmise that the Mod must have done so. Also notable is the fact that he never retracted the death threat nor apologized for it. He just spewed out more hatred and contempt.

As usual, his fellow trolls immediately gathered around him to defend him. In fact, one of them wrote : "I, for one, agree with Bow." Charming buddies who condone violence! And another persisted in refusing to answer my question : "Do you find such threats of violence acceptable?"

The next day, I was fully expecting BTYK to have been banned for life from this forum and in fact reported to authorities as is normal procedure in such cases. But NO, he was still there, still posting his nonsense and making blatantly racist and islamophobic comments - in open defiance of the moderating policies of this forum.

In response to an Egyptian who posted a very thoughtful and wise piece, BTYK wrote; "Arabs are filthy". To which I responded : "RACISM is filthy." And he answered : "Dirty muslim scum".

I once again wrote to the Mod asking : "Mr. (or Mrs.) Moderator, I am known to have a healthy sense of humor, but this clearly goes well beyond the limits of the acceptable. WHY, I ask you, has this user not been banned from this forum? What does it TAKE to get banned? Has OWS been informed that a user has actually uttered death threats against them? And finally, has this user's true identity been successfully traced?"

Still no answer from the Mod over 48 hours after the incident, so I called a friend who knows a cop who put me in touch with a detective specializing in Internet criminality. He was adamant that "a death threat is always considered to be a serious crime" and that in view of the current political climate, BTYK's threat were "not to be taken lightly". He insisted that the Mod must 1 - trace the man's identity 2 - report the incident to police in his locality 3 - warn OWS leadership that a threat was proferred. Finally I asked him point blank : "Do you think this man would be capable of shooting people in a park?" Answer : "Well, judging from his writing, he sounds consumed by hatred as a sociopath would be... and we HAVE seen characters like that go on shooting sprees".

So, Mr. or Mrs. Mod and OWS, without getting paranoid or too uptight over this, please be AWARE and follow normal procedure for such cases, that is report this man before he harms himself or others. If he gets professional help, you could well be doing him and society a huge favor.

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[-] 5 points by ThisIsNotCapitalism (156) from Redmond, WA 3 years ago

I feel your pain. The moderators need to step it up. Just like the real world, threats and insinuations of violence can not be tolerated.

[-] 3 points by TIOUAISE (2526) 3 years ago

I myself was surprised at how seriously they viewed the matter.

As I wrote, "He was adamant that "a death threat is always considered to be a serious crime" and that in view of the current political climate, BTYK's threat were "not to be taken lightly"."

After ALL the shootings that have happened over the last decade or so, I can't blame them for having a "zero-tolerance" policy.

[-] 2 points by moediggity (646) from Houston, TX 3 years ago

The mods don't do shit around here! Its like they bailed out of here after this place opened and just said "FREE SPEECH" and stopped listening to us.

[-] 0 points by steven2002 (363) 3 years ago

Isn't free speech what you are demandin moron, or does it only work one way?

[-] 1 points by moediggity (646) from Houston, TX 3 years ago

Theres nothing wrong with setting up rules to follow.

[-] -1 points by steven2002 (363) 3 years ago

How can you say you want free speech if you are limiting what people say? You only want free speech if it agrees with what you believe.

[-] 1 points by moediggity (646) from Houston, TX 3 years ago

So?

[-] 0 points by steven2002 (363) 3 years ago

Typical

[-] 0 points by alouis (1511) from New York, NY 3 years ago

maybe this forum is too much for them to deal with workwise.

[-] 0 points by TIOUAISE (2526) 3 years ago

Asked how many people were on the Administrative team for this forum, the Moderator answered : "25".

[-] 3 points by Spankysmojo (849) 3 years ago

Gross people out there. They make me vomit. This guy is obviously small and incapable. Bow to what? Douchie Douchinsky. Hey man, I posted about the hatred yesterday. Hope this guy gets everything we want for him.

[-] 2 points by TIOUAISE (2526) 3 years ago

Hitler was small and psychopathic, a failed artist and a loser... but he did end up doing quite a bit of harm.

With all the shooting sprees we've seen, the police now have a "zero-tolerance" policy for any kind of death threat, even on the Internet. Actually, I was surprised to see HOW seriously they took this.

[-] 2 points by Spankysmojo (849) 3 years ago

I do agree that the sickos need to be put in a hospital. The Hitler analogy is correct. Perhaps if he were stopped early....like as an aborted fetus maybe, then the world would have been spared untold misery. To bad Bow*'[s mother should have had that abortion after all.

[-] 1 points by TIOUAISE (2526) 3 years ago

Napoleon too was short. They made fun of him when he was just "le petit corporal". And look at how many hundreds of thousands died in his stupid "wars of conquest"!!!!

[-] 1 points by Spankysmojo (849) 3 years ago

The list is long, unfortunately. They need to be singled out. This will be an eternal struggle. Every human has the ability to do good or evil. We may never know what made a person become evil and when we do find out it's because we've focused on the evil deeds already done. I'm with you. Can't get rid of all the short people (I love short people) we have to stop making fun of them.

[-] 1 points by TIOUAISE (2526) 3 years ago

Good point! Many of the world's worst dictators were short men who were probably tormented by their classmates over their height.

[-] 3 points by GypsyKing (8719) 3 years ago

Yes, somebody sent me a video of waterboarding. I'm still here though, and I'm not going away!

[-] 2 points by Redmist (212) from Yazd, Yazd 3 years ago

I think Tiouaise is a douche but I would defend his right to protest with force if needed.

[-] 0 points by TIOUAISE (2526) 3 years ago

A "douche" - that is SUCH a lame insult! Reminds me of 5th grade...

[-] 1 points by Redmist (212) from Yazd, Yazd 3 years ago

I know! lol I thought it was applied perfectly for the subject of the post.

[-] 1 points by senrysa (0) 3 years ago

its amazing how hypocrital the "other" side can be about proper behavior whenever they themselves have practiced and shown the exact same behavior. Just to clear it up I don't care what your views are if you have whined about people not letting you have you free speech rights and then turned around and tried to contain their free speech you are in no uncertain terms a hypocrite. Just in case you or anyone else hasn't figured it out this is nothing but politics as usual on ALL sides causing strife, hate and unrest between opposing parties with opposing views then you should look around and see who lives you affecting its usually not the one you want to change. Its actually kind of sad when you think about how EVERY one of us follows the script like puppets. Oh no the other side are heathens, hippies, dope heads but your side is old rich racists who want to let every one starve and die without health care all the while the government is blowing smoke up all our .... and we fall right into our roles to keep the masses busy while they rob us of freedom and finances. This will never stop. If you can stand and say you have never said a dirty, rotten, degrading thing against the other side then you MIGHT have room to talk trash about the OTHER group but then if you did you would be exactly what you have accused others of being. One day when we all wake up we will work together and stop being puppets to the higher ups. Until then we should all keep the whining to a minumum because most of us have either believed what the media has said about the "others" or we have perpetuated an image we think is most effective for our needs not about the truth. The truth really has no place in these games the we puppets are playing for the Gods on the hills. Some of the people of ows are no different than those seniors pushing their grandchildren at a tea party rally just wanting to make the higher ups more accountable and less free to write checks they won't be around to pay for and some of those dope smoking hippies up there are using medical marijuana to help with injurues they recieved in Nam in a war they had do business in and came back to a bunch of protestors who spit on them and called them baby killers. Groups more often than not when it comes to politics divide and conquer never unite. A perfect example is the last 4 years. How sad for all of us.

[-] 1 points by senrysa (0) 3 years ago

its amazing how hypocrital the "other" side can be about proper behavior whenever they themselves have practiced and shown the exact same behavior. Just to clear it up I don't care what your views are if you have whined about people not letting you have you free speech rights and then turned around and tried to contain their free speech you are in no uncertain terms a hypocrite. Just in case you or anyone else hasn't figured it out this is nothing but politics as usual on ALL sides causing strife, hate and unrest between opposing parties with opposing views then you should look around and see who lives you affecting its usually not the one you want to change. Its actually kind of sad when you think about how EVERY one of us follows the script like puppets. Oh no the other side are heathens, hippies, dope heads but your side is old rich racists who want to let every one starve and die without health care all the while the government is blowing smoke up all our .... and we fall right into our roles to keep the masses busy while they rob us of freedom and finances. This will never stop. If you can stand and say you have never said a dirty, rotten, degrading thing against the other side then you MIGHT have room to talk trash about the OTHER group but then if you did you would be exactly what you have accused others of being. One day when we all wake up we will work together and stop being puppets to the higher ups. Until then we should all keep the whining to a minumum because most of us have either believed what the media has said about the "others" or we have perpetuated an image we think is most effective for our needs not about the truth. The truth really has no place in these games the we puppets are playing for the Gods on the hills. Some of the people of ows are no different than those seniors pushing their grandchildren at a tea party rally just wanting to make the higher ups more accountable and less free to write checks they won't be around to pay for and some of those dope smoking hippies up there are using medical marijuana to help with injurues they recieved in Nam in a war they had do business in and came back to a bunch of protestors who spit on them and called them baby killers. Groups more often than not when it comes to politics divide and conquer never unite. A perfect example is the last 4 years. How sad for all of us.

[-] 1 points by Windsofchange (1044) 3 years ago

These people who hate us, many of them are brainwashed by propagandic lies. I mean I seen people interviewed about us and they're practically foaming at the mouth calling us a bunch of terrorists, lazy dirty hippies, marxist, commies, anti-capitalist, anti-americans, etc. They strongly believe that we are going to bring this country down with our protesting.

It's one thing to not like us, but this is over the top. These people are brainwashed to hate us. I mean why do they have such a high level of animosity against us. I even heard them cheering when OWS occupiers get beat up. What next calling in the National Guard and cheering them on. I am very worried by this.

[-] 1 points by JumpStreet (70) 3 years ago

There is a difference. Trust me. Between upholding a Truth and betraying a Faith.

[-] 1 points by JumpStreet (70) 3 years ago

Whack him. Now.

[-] 1 points by JumpStreet (70) 3 years ago

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[-] 1 points by ronimacarroni (1089) 3 years ago

sounds like a load of internet drama.

[-] 1 points by TheREAL99 (120) 3 years ago

TIOUAISE is one of the posters here who seeks/needs constant attention. He has harassed other posters so frequently his "IGNORE" posts are replied to with "We Do Always -- You."

Does not work. He comes back for more.

I am sure he exasperated BowToYourKing that BowToYourKing went over the line "verbally".

It is of no consequence except to provide a platform for TIOUAISE to find a sympathetic audience to feed his attention addiction.

[-] 1 points by OurTimes2011 (377) from Arlington, VA 3 years ago

I agree that this type of violence promoting post show be deleted and reported immediately. The IP address of the poster should be turned over to the police.

[-] 1 points by JumpStreet (70) 3 years ago

Did you explain this site is Canadian owned and that laws concerning online death threats might be different in that country? Is he a lieutenant, or a expert in law, i.e. a lawyer?

[-] 1 points by JumpStreet (70) 3 years ago

The posts from Toulon are slipping through...

[-] 1 points by JumpStreet (70) 3 years ago

TIOUAISE; There is nothing to fear. There are those who will try to sow seeds of fear and discontent among you in this movement only to try to weaken and destroy it. But I believe you are wiser than that. And stronger than that. You need only be aware of the enemy that is out to destroy you and the one that lays within yourselves. For that is the only way you can be destroyed! By yourselves. How else only can you be destroyed? From within...? When you lose Faith in yourselves...when you begin to doubt yourselves... when you begin to fight against what all of you know to be true...that is when you will know you have lost....the only battle you were ever given in your life to fight....

[-] 1 points by chuck1al (1074) from Flomaton, AL 3 years ago

Tiouaise......Did the cops give you a complaint number? or are you trying to get somebody to threaten you?

[-] 1 points by Revolutionary (274) 3 years ago

We are here to do only good things not bad things.We are here to give sacrifices to achieve good objectives.We are here to fight for humane objectives.Necessary measures should be taken to stop any nonsense.

[-] 1 points by onepercentguy (294) 3 years ago

Get a life.

[-] 1 points by sudoname (1001) from Berkeley, CA 3 years ago

Maybe you should pick your battles more wisely :)

I recall your pointing me out as a troll when I probably had just made a bad joke.

[-] 1 points by me2 (534) 3 years ago

I think this TIOUAISE is the one who also called me a troll in a private message with no explanation and no response when I questioned why I was being called a troll.

[-] 0 points by TIOUAISE (2526) 3 years ago

I responded to his inane post with the word "IGNORE". Is that such a terrible thing? How was I to know that he would react with murderous rage? Anyway, at my age I have no fear for my own life - but I DO fear for official OWS members and anyone "occupying" in a park. This guy needs help with his rage and I hope he'll get it ASAP.

So all of this is right EVEN FOR HIM. In a way, his pathological hatred is A CRY FOR HELP that needs to be heard.

[-] 1 points by sudoname (1001) from Berkeley, CA 3 years ago

That's for sure. I don't understand why people that are anti-OWS come on here and post this crap. They are looking for attention I think. People seem to get banned for the most random reasons, but some of these guys get to linger forever.

[-] 1 points by mapparu (10) from Sun City, CA 3 years ago

I think an IP ban would've been enough, but pressing charges is fine too.

[-] 1 points by TIOUAISE (2526) 3 years ago

I only went to the police after realizing that "BowToYourKing" had NOT been banned the next day and that in fact he was still posting all kinds of abuse.

Also, I was very concerned that his fanatical and all-consuming hatred of OWS might some day explode into real violence. And if it had, I could NEVER have forgiven myself for staying silent.

I felt I HAD to speak up. The rest is out of my hands. The police will investigate and decide whether they want to press charges.

[-] 1 points by justice7 (1) 3 years ago

I have lived with death threats in my city of chicago for 10 years beacsue i want paly along with the crimminals who are using eletronic equipment to stalk and harass people..they aeem to even have the chicago caos scared or they are in on it.. so i'm not scared if you know about htis situation this should be brought to the world attention also

[-] 1 points by Thrasymaque (-2138) 3 years ago

This thread has backfired.

[-] 0 points by TIOUAISE (2526) 3 years ago

"backfired"??? Great choice of words!

[-] 0 points by hillary (252) 3 years ago

Wow, what a guy will do to TROLL the fuck outta someone...... TIOUAISE you are pathetic.

[-] 0 points by steven2002 (363) 3 years ago

TIOUAISE is a whimp who spent his entire life running to the government for protection. Time to stand up for yourself whimp.

[-] 0 points by steven2002 (363) 3 years ago

What's the matter bunkie can't defend yourself.

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[-] 0 points by alouis (1511) from New York, NY 3 years ago

An asshole threatened to send the FBI to my house. Good luck with that!

[-] 0 points by gamblingmofo (36) from Westbury, NY 3 years ago
[-] 0 points by happybanker (766) 3 years ago

CRY BABY. Should we call a Whambulance?

[-] 1 points by TIOUAISE (2526) 3 years ago

I quite understand that a TROLL would not have the least bit of concern about young people getting gunned down in a park for trying to uphold our Constitution.

As for myself, I am too old to fear death. I've had a full life and a good life and actually it would be an HONOR for an old soldier like myself to fall in the midst of this Sacred Struggle that "We The People" have embarked on.

[-] 0 points by happybanker (766) 3 years ago

Get over yourself and your CRUSADE. If you are coming here for anything but humor, you need a reality check.

[-] 1 points by TIOUAISE (2526) 3 years ago

It's NOT about me, at my age I have most of my life behind me and, quite honestly, I'm not afraid of death.

It's about my kids and grandkids, it's about the YOUNG people in this country who face bleak prospects for the future. So YES, you are right, the OWS Movement is a Crusade for A New and Improved America and I'm VERY proud to be a small part of it.

As for humor, it has always been at the heart of my life. I suspect I will be cracking jokes even on my deathbed. As I always say :

LIFE - LOVE - LAUGHTER

[-] 0 points by happybanker (766) 3 years ago

Ok. I agree with you and I appologize for arguing with you.

[-] 1 points by JumpStreet (70) 3 years ago

nice going...

[-] 0 points by Thrasymaque (-2138) 3 years ago

What country is your lieutenant from? Did you explain this site is Canadian owned and that laws concerning online death threats might be different in that country? Is he a lieutenant, or a expert in law, i.e. a lawyer?

[-] 0 points by justaguy (91) 3 years ago

While I don't condone death threats of any kind, there are posts all over this forum that threaten to kill people if they don't agree with the poster.

That from people supportive of OWS.

If this person, or any other poster bothers you, do as you say and ignore him/her.

Why ban anyone..if someone finds your posts offensive do you get banned? Or is your speech protected and others not?

Although, I did not read nor do I care to read this persons post you find offensive, there would seemingly be little doubt that the post was not meant in a literal fashion.

I have said it once on here and will again, ANYONE logging in here using their real IP address is extraordinarily fool hardy.

[-] 0 points by TIOUAISE (2526) 3 years ago

You didn't read my post, did you?

To quote the lieutenant : "He was adamant that "a death threat is always considered to be a serious crime" and that in view of the current political climate, BTYK's threat were "not to be taken lightly"."

[-] -1 points by roloff (244) 3 years ago

Wow your are a true American hero, finding crime one internet posting at a time

[-] -1 points by hillary (252) 3 years ago

So you want to bring charges against a "moniker"?

[-] 0 points by TIOUAISE (2526) 3 years ago

According to the lieutenant, normal procedure in such cases is to trace the user's real identity. Read my post, it's clearly explained. It's up to the police to lay charges following their investigation.

[-] -1 points by hillary (252) 3 years ago

Wrong.

Threats have to be identifiable. In the history of the internet the police has never involved themselves in anonymous people arguing.

Never.

[-] 0 points by TIOUAISE (2526) 3 years ago

You are misinformed, "hillary" and besides, you are an outed TROLL. This lieutenant is specialized in this area and knows his stuff. so I would tend to trust him over a troll trying to defend one of her kind.

[-] 0 points by hillary (252) 3 years ago

Then let's all wait with baited breath the results of your process.

Your credibility hangs in the balance .... LOL

[-] 1 points by ThisIsNotCapitalism (156) from Redmond, WA 3 years ago

It is illegal for the OEV program to operate in the United States. Sadly she is probably right and nothing will come of this particular incident. Take heart that the movement is causing them fear enough to go to these great lengths.

[-] 0 points by TIOUAISE (2526) 3 years ago

I believe you mean "bated breath".... unless you're trying to bait me.

As for my credibility, it is based on DOCUMENTED EVIDENCE. I kept copies of all the exchanges before they got deleted from the forum..

[-] -1 points by hillary (252) 3 years ago

So you felt afraid after this anonymous person threatened you? Did you cry? Did you have any diarrhea? Please explain how serious you feel this threat is because police will want to know as well.

[-] 0 points by TIOUAISE (2526) 3 years ago

Afraid of death at my age? Naah! I've had a full life and a good life.

I take it you think that death threats against OWS members and supporters are just fine?

[-] 1 points by WeUsAll (200) 3 years ago

What's the lieutenant's name and number? Did you consult with any other lieutenants? Did you call the OWS Help Line? Were they any help?

[-] 0 points by hillary (252) 3 years ago

All that stuff is secret because, you know, it's a leaderless collective....blahblahblah.

Call the Union Rep......

[-] 1 points by WeUsAll (200) 3 years ago

I talked to the union rep and no one has heard of his guy. They said that he might have accidently called the wrong number and got the insane asylum's pay phone, where a man named Lou Ten Ant has been known to answer the phone and pretend he's a police officer. On some days Napoleon has been known to answer and give advice on heightening.

[-] 0 points by hillary (252) 3 years ago

Your comedy makes me hot.

[-] 0 points by hillary (252) 3 years ago

Only when they're credible, Nancy Boy!!!!

LOLOLOL

[-] 0 points by TIOUAISE (2526) 3 years ago

When you're done laughing out loud, you might want to try googling "Internet forum death threat". Enjoy!

[-] -2 points by owschico (295) 3 years ago

dont be such a pussy DGAF

[-] 1 points by TIOUAISE (2526) 3 years ago

If you're trying to insult me, you'll have to do better than "pussy"... I happen to be a big fan of Eve Ensler's "Vagina Monologues".

[-] 0 points by hillary (252) 3 years ago

You DO come across as effeminate.....

[-] 0 points by TIOUAISE (2526) 3 years ago

A man can have a "feminine side" without being "effeminate"... Ever read Carl Jung?

As I just stated, I happen to be a big fan of Eve Ensler's "Vagina Monologues" and to cherish the female genital organs, so I will take "pussy" as a classy compliment... even if it's not completely sincere... :o)

[-] 0 points by hillary (252) 3 years ago

You're trying too hard..... you sound like you prefer sleeping in a closet.

[-] 0 points by TIOUAISE (2526) 3 years ago

Sorry to disappoint, but I'm not big on closets.

[-] 0 points by owschico (295) 3 years ago

your being a pussy its just an observation

[-] 1 points by TIOUAISE (2526) 3 years ago

Well thank you for the observation. As I just stated, I happen to be a big fan of Eve Ensler's "Vagina Monologues" and to cherish the female genital organs, so I will take "pussy" as a classy compliment... even though it comes from a troll.

[-] 0 points by owschico (295) 3 years ago

no it is coming from someone calling you a PUSSY

[-] 0 points by TIOUAISE (2526) 3 years ago

As mentioned twice already, I happen to be a big fan of Eve Ensler's "Vagina Monologues" and to cherish the female genital organs, so I will take "pussy" as a really classy compliment... whoever it may come from.

And just in case you're talking about CATS, then you're again out of luck as I was always a cat lover.

[-] 0 points by owschico (295) 3 years ago

all news in america besides Russia today and independent media, have the same agenda (to keep you ignorant so the status quo stays in place)

[-] 0 points by TIOUAISE (2526) 3 years ago

I thought we were discussing "pussies"?

[-] -2 points by hillary (252) 3 years ago

Just receive a threat from TIOUAISE who says he will "chop my head off with a blunt knife". I've reported this and expect swift action because I fear he knows where I am and will travel thousands of miles to do it.

[-] 1 points by TIOUAISE (2526) 3 years ago

Nice try at humor.... good luck at being a stand up comic!!!

[-] -2 points by hillary (252) 3 years ago

And now he sends me his craigslist ad for M4W......... are there any GOOD men out there?

[-] 0 points by TIOUAISE (2526) 3 years ago

Has anyone ever told you how delirious you look?

[-] -3 points by Rob (881) 3 years ago

What a cry baby. Did no one pick you to play kick ball when you were a child?

[-] 1 points by TIOUAISE (2526) 3 years ago

Aaaaah! Another long-outed troll! This is quite a reunion you guys are having!

[-] -2 points by Rob (881) 3 years ago

You are just chum in the water. The apex predators are sniffing you out( then again weeks in a tent can cause anyone to sniff you out)