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Forum Post: Dear OWS: having a leadership comes in handy when...

Posted 12 years ago on Nov. 15, 2011, 1:22 p.m. EST by Owlet (99)
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...when you're rousted by the police.

Right now, the remnants of OWS are running around uncoordinatedly in various locations around lower Manhattan, trying in vain to find a new spot to occupy. Gee, having leadership or a real plan might have come in handy at this point, but why have a plan when your main "message" is one of outrage?

We're supposed to be shocked and outraged at the 1%, shocked and outraged at the NYPD, shocked and outraged at Bloomberg, and shock and outrage is supposed to make everything better.

Nobody at Zuccotti planned for this eventuality, it's quite obvious now. Pretty sad. Some "movement."

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[-] 3 points by laffingrass (362) from Normal, IL 12 years ago

Sad, but true.

Just another example of how anarchistic theories fall short in reality. Regardless, the moderators and curators of this website have become the de-facto leaders, seeing as they control the primary means of communication.

[-] 2 points by nichole (525) 12 years ago

They also serve as censors.

[-] 1 points by AFarewellToKings (1486) 12 years ago

1% of the 99%. they 'got some splainin' to do'
you've read the 99% Declaration? Why isn't the money from OWS being used to hold the National General Assembly? https://sites.google.com/site/the99percentdeclaration/ Surely now there can be a consensus?

[-] 1 points by nichole (525) 12 years ago

I've read the declaration though its origins are vague. Certainly comprehensive in scope and fairly representative of a sizable portion of the Occupiers. Reform or Revolution? That is what divides us. The loudest Occupiers are Revolutionaries who have given up on Washington altogether.

[-] 1 points by AFarewellToKings (1486) 12 years ago

Those who fought the war of independence didn't want their descendants to have to go through that ever again. No one has to die. The 99% has the right tools, we need to relearn how to use them. Not easy, not impossible. BTW have you read the Declaration Of Desperation?

[-] 1 points by Owlet (99) 12 years ago

Apparently, the plan is to just keep doing the same thing they were doing before, except... somewhere else. (Somewhere farther away from actual Wall Street, it seems.)

This looks like a movement that has run out of ideas, or never actually had them in the first place. In other words, this is a bunch of glorified homeless people. (Not to insult the homeless, since they at least don't pretend to be doing what they do for "political" reasons.)

[-] 1 points by AFarewellToKings (1486) 12 years ago

The ideas are out there. Example : https://sites.google.com/site/the99percentdeclaration/

[-] 2 points by TimMcGraw (50) 12 years ago

yep, thats what happens with leaderless movements. Occupy Portland was going strong, then in one day it was taken out. though the weather also helped.

[-] 1 points by bensdad (8977) 12 years ago

The vague openess of OWS did what it STARTED out to do-
it woke up millions! Job well done!
Now it's time for constructive action.
Millions now see the BS that the 1% like koch, murdoch, cheney have dumped on us. There may even be some republicans who are so ashamed of their candidate circus - they may even be ready to join the sanity. But sanity is not based on leaderlessness and process and philosophical wish lists for an ideal society.
Yes I would like to tax 90% of the kochs wealth. But that is not reality.
We need real leaders and real goals -
and the courage to work - not wish.

[-] 1 points by ronimacarroni (1089) 12 years ago

The 90% majority bit was pretty stupid. "Tyranny of the majority" is better than getting nothing done.

[-] 1 points by HarryCrew07 (433) 12 years ago

I'm pretty sure everyone at Zuccotti park figured that this would happen sooner or later. Shock and outrage get other people thinking. That is a large portion of the movement right now, getting people to talk about what is going on. This will certainly make people talk :)

[-] 0 points by noon15 (33) from Huntington, NY 12 years ago

Occupy has been making people talk and making people think since week one. Eventually you have to move beyond that, and not by disrupting the subways, but by having a real political agenda and taking it to Washington.

[-] 1 points by HarryCrew07 (433) 12 years ago

This has been the opinion of many about the movement. It will be interesting to see if they heed the advice of those who push for demands.

[-] 0 points by noon15 (33) from Huntington, NY 12 years ago

There's really no choice now. People are losing jobs BECAUSE of this so called movement. People are fed up with the crime, the smell, the noise and the disruptions. All public support will eventually disappear unless there is some real action. I can guarantee you one thing, if protesters are allowed back and simply put the tents back up and start drumming again, no one will take this seriously at all. And at that point they shouldn't have to.

[-] 0 points by HarryCrew07 (433) 12 years ago

Personally, I still think its interesting to be gross and disgusting in front of everyone's face. Some people live this way all year round not by choice. Solidarity with the homeless!

[-] 0 points by noon15 (33) from Huntington, NY 12 years ago

Like I said, no reason to take this seriously.

[-] 0 points by HarryCrew07 (433) 12 years ago

only time will tell....

[-] 0 points by AFarewellToKings (1486) 12 years ago

Agreed. will they use the money to organize a National General Assembly? Or is that 'not what the movement is about' garbage going to continue to drive OWS into the history books as an epic fail?

https://sites.google.com/site/the99percentdeclaration/

[-] 0 points by steven2002 (363) 12 years ago

The non-leader leaders are probably at the bank right now dividing up the money, getting ready to beat feet out of town.

[-] 1 points by AFarewellToKings (1486) 12 years ago

I wouldn't be surprised! I say let 'em take it if it gets them out of the way, they are the 1%. Now let's start talking about Philadelphia...