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Forum Post: Dealing with First Responders

Posted 12 years ago on Sept. 11, 2011, 5:23 p.m. EST by anonymous ()
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We should be aware that many of the cops who will be trying to arrest us will have lost friends, families (and definetly co-workers) in the 9/11 tragedy. We should all be prepared to explain to them that, yes, we realize that like us bin laden attacked wall street but that it was 10 years ago and they really need to get over it already.



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[-] 1 points by mleon (53) from New York, NY 12 years ago
  1. Don't talk to cops about 9/11. you will do nothing but offend them.
  2. They are not going to listen to some story about corporate conspiracy, and how things are run. If you want to try anything, remind them they are union workers too. Remind them of how great NYPD pay is vs how dangerous it is.
  3. They won't listen to a handful of protestors on the street who are easy to dismiss by a few name calling, they will have the "apex preditor" attitude. In their minds their "right" to beat you up is based on two things a) they can b) that little badge they have.

  4. Keep your head screwed on, your not there for them, your there for everyone else walking down the street who hasn't made up their mind. You are there to show fat cats on wall street you can and will show up on their front door. Make sure its in YOUR head your in the right. Be in the right. Let them take the low ground.

  5. Assert your rights, let them get angry with you first, don't give them anything you don't have to.
  6. Disregard everything they say as much as you can, but instead assert your rights. Show that disobedience is NOT the same as being a criminal by not being a criminal. Do the right thing always. Show the right thing is NOT what the cops are about.

When public opinion sways against them, you MIGHT then start to see the big blue wall crack, but until then they have no incentive to see right vs wrong over "us vs them".

[-] 1 points by mleon (53) from New York, NY 12 years ago

cops have already made up their mind on who you are and what your about. they are tricky creatures. not necessarily bad, but they are trained to believe anyone they are arresting or beating is bad, and not to question it.

Same token we need to keep it on our heads what we are dealing with, and who we are, and what we are working towards. they can't take that from us.

[-] 0 points by anonymous () 12 years ago

Success in Egypt arrived because the people, whether out of numbers and/or spirit, won over the soldiers.

[-] 0 points by anonymous () 12 years ago

Really, really, really bad advice by the poster on what to say to the cop. How long does the poster think the action will remain nonviolent after a few fools offer such statements to the first responders.

I would say, "We're with you. We're with first responders who have died or are sick and dying because the government won't give them disability pensions and were far too slow with the drug plan. We're with you because you weren't allowed to attend the official ground zero ceremony due to "lack of space."

The post should be removed. I know you're against censorship and all but let's not be foolish. Keep it peaceful!

[-] 0 points by anonymous () 12 years ago

"... it was 10 years ago and [you] really need to get over it already."

Holy fucking shit, you cannot be serious. That sounds like a great thing to say if you want somebody to go apeshit insane with anger.

How about explaining that what we are doing is nonviolent, for starters. Also it's populist, as opposed to the scheme of a few. Also, that, regardless of their objections to the location it is true that much violence is perpetrated in the world because of the stock market -- including child slavery, I mean, come on now -- and that is why we are protesting on Wall Street.

But okay, if you want to have the shit beaten out of you before going to jail, tell a cop to "get over it already."

[-] 0 points by anonymous () 12 years ago

Or politely explain to them, "The policies of US corporate interests are what spawned the jihadists of 9/11. If corporate power can be drastically reduced, then the types events that took place over the 20th century that ignited the fires of islamic extremism as a response to US interference and hegemony in the arab world will be greatly reduced."

Telling someone who lost c0-workers and family to "get over it" is grounds to get punched in the face.

[-] 0 points by anonymous () 12 years ago

Exactly! Salam alecham to you my brother,

[-] 0 points by agnosticnixie (17) from Laval, QC 12 years ago

This has fuck all to do with it. End of. The state should let it die and let the people grieve away from this bullshit nationalistic pageant.

[-] 0 points by anonymous () 12 years ago

Exacly, it is one big campaign moment for Barak "I got him and Bush didn't" Obama

[-] 0 points by anonymous () 12 years ago

a bit more tact would be like gold ... try it this way

we also mourn the loss of those 10 years ago but what we are here to mourn is the 99% of people who dont have jobs, homes, families, and fair wages.