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Forum Post: 'Dark Knight' Shooting Renews Question Of Violent Movie Impact

Posted 11 years ago on July 23, 2012, 1:38 p.m. EST by SteveKJR (-497)
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Here is a link to the question of movie violence. There have been lots of studies out there regarding young children being exposed to thousands of hours of violence and the results of those studies.

So, the question that needs to be asked is - have the youth in our society been exposed to too much voilence and how could more gun control stop a person from commiting from making a "homade bomb" to blow people up.

Here is the main link and I am going to post others for those of you whom may be interested to read:



http://www.aacap.org/cs/root/developmentor/the_impact_of_media_violence_on_children_and_adolescents_opportunities_for_clinical_interventions http://kidstvmovies.about.com/b/2008/08/08/does-watching-violent-movies-affect-kids.htm





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[-] 7 points by Builder (4202) 11 years ago

Screw the movies and games.

Where is the uproar over drones being used in civilian murders?

Just get the Secretary of State to record an apology for killing dozens of civilians, and everything will be okay.

Honestly, the big dumbing down of the population somehow affected our emotional response to everything.

Apathy has now shifted to the "Who gives a phukk" response to death and destruction by the corpo-crims.

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 11 years ago

Tell it like it is dude!

[-] 1 points by Builder (4202) 11 years ago

You want the statistics? They are almost as vague as the civilian deaths in Iraq (estimated to be close to a million people).

Note that the murdered people are now called "non-militant casualties" rather than "collateral damage". This, despite the fact that Pakistan is an ally, and war has not been declared upon their nation.


Our study shows that the 310 reported drone strikes in northwest Pakistan, including 27 in 2012, from 2004 to the present have killed approximately between 1,870 and 2,873 individuals, of whom around 1,577 to 2,402 were described as militants in reliable press accounts. Thus, the true non-militant fatality rate since 2004 according to our analysis is approximately 16 percent. In 2011, it was more like six percent.

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 11 years ago

It's amazing what money, or dollars, will buy.

I dont think it will stop until the dollar stops, which is def on its way out.

[-] 2 points by shadz66 (19985) 11 years ago

Have you seen the WAR Glorifying Ultra-Violence of 'Video games' these days ?!!!

IF you think films are bad, then modern Video Games are going to leave you aghast !!

Perhaps more importantly, how come any old psycho can get hold of arsenals of weaponry at the drop of a hat in across The USA ?!

WFT has the ability to go out and purchase military grade weapons and Fully Automatic Assault Rifles got to do with "Freedom" ffs ?!!

WTF's wrong with you people ?!!!

caveat ...

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 11 years ago

People talk about violent movies and violent video games - for some reason people do not talk about rampant poverty with no way out.

Poverty oppression suppression = a sick society = violence = breeding ground for nutters/terrorists/fanatics/criminals.

Entertainment then gives the fucked-up individuals some really bad ideas.

[-] 1 points by shadz66 (19985) 11 years ago

There are poor folk all over the world NOT randomly murdering fellow citizens.

The is something that is very particularly 'American' about this terrible situation.

A country -- which hero worships 'the rugged individual' and approves of self-referential behaviour, selfishness and the pursuit of private, personal "freedoms" & has 'Randian Psychopathy' as a 'Ruling Elite (Parasite) - Existential Paradigm' and Ayn Rand as some kind of national heroine -- can NOT really be that surprised when that 'nurtured psychopathy', manifests in extreme and violent ways.

fiat lux ...

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 11 years ago

Sorry I beg to differ - look at the middle east. Look at the nutter activity that has been going on for ages.

A sick society breeds violence - breeds nutters.

BTW - there have been many pockets of poverty all across this nation for a very very very long time.

Now turn up the heat with all of this corporat criminal and pollution activity the unbelievable unemployment the non-existant wages the government basically spitting on the people and what are you gonna get?

More people snapping and going nutter.

[-] 0 points by shadz66 (19985) 11 years ago

I really do not consider "the middle east" as having proportionally any more psychopaths than almost anywhere else in the world. I'm afraid that I can't quite say the same for The U$A, where also there are now more guns than people !!

multum in parvo ...

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 11 years ago

At least we do not have nutters blowing themselves up along with those around them. What is that all about if not a result of an extremely sick society?

As things get worse more people will snap and the more others will group together and start unleashing their own brand of havoc.

Look at the history - violence has gone up as afluence of the common individual has gone down. Classic action/reaction cause/effect.

[-] 2 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 11 years ago

we have murder suicides in this country. Some guy just last week in my city killed his neighbor and then shot himself. Some woman 3 weeks ago killed her son and then killed herself. This is all just within 15 miles of me.

Mass shootings and such as well. We had McVeigh and shit too. People participating in cults where they commit mass suicide. All that shit has taken place in our country too.

The news just portrays it all differently.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 11 years ago

These incidences are growing in number every year since about 2000.

[-] 5 points by TrevorMnemonic (5827) 11 years ago

what about police assaults?

Have you seen the latest police brutality from Anaheim?

Not only is it felony assault but I think it's driven by bigotry toward latinos - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8Y0uWycuZ8&feature=player_embedded

Please pass this information on to others.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 11 years ago

Yeah I saw the video it is sickening. The cops kill a guy in cold blood shoot him in the back and in the head as he runs from them. The community Men Women and Children witness the execution and go to the local precinct to complain and are attacked by police officers firing rubber bullets and letting an attack dog loose.


[-] 1 points by Porkie (-255) 11 years ago

I'd kinda agree with that... I find it somewhat appalling to expose little kids to all this gore, but hey there's more... we know as a result of historical research that intentional and continuous cultural exposure serves purpose - it desensitizes. And then it is just a matter of justification; very few criminals feel remorse because in their sick and demented state they have found a way to justify - acts of aggression become acts of defense.


[-] 0 points by SteveKJR (-497) 11 years ago

This guy wasn't considered a "psycho" - I believe his mother knew more about him then anyone else did based on her comments. So should she have raised the flag about how she felt he was acting?

With regard to everyone of these mass shootings someone knew something about the individual that would have raised concerns.

However, with todays society everyone is afraid to bring this to someones attention because of fear for "retribution".

What does that tell you about todays society. Look at how gangs response to an individual who belongs - they kill him or her - that's our society - and no amount of "gun control" is going to stop it.

[-] 2 points by shadz66 (19985) 11 years ago

This guy was a psychopath as clearly evidenced by his murderous behaviour & he could buy all the 'Guns 'n Ammo' he wanted !

Because you can't stop it 100%, you choose not to try to reduce it by 90-95%+ !!

WTF is that about ?!!!

ad iudicium ...

[-] 1 points by SteveKJR (-497) 11 years ago

There are lots of people out there who buy 1000's of rounds of ammo on a monthly basis for sport shooting or target practice. It's not very difficult to go to a range and shoot 500 rounds in one afternoon

So tell me then how would you stop this "psyco" as you say that clearly showed no signs of being a "psyco"?

None of the people who knew him said he had ever indicated that he had a "emotional problem" or was intent on killing someone.

Name one type of "governmental law" that you think would have stopped him - he was a very intelligent person based on what the news media says and I doubt that it wouldn't be difficult for him to pass a "psyco" exam.


[-] 2 points by shadz66 (19985) 11 years ago

I reject your 'straw man' arguments 'point blank' and think that assault rifles have nothing to do with any kind of "sport" / hunting, that I'm aware of ! Aren't bolt action hunting rifles, shotguns and pistols enough for sport & hunting ?!! WTF does anyone need an AR-15, M-16, AK-47 etc. Etc. ETC - for ?!!!

[ps : You are flat wrong to correlate 'IQ' / intelligence / ability to pass exams, with NOT being crazy !!]

ne quid nimis ...

[-] 0 points by SteveKJR (-497) 11 years ago

Apparently you are not into owning very many guns - people do use the AR 15 - M-16 - AK-47 and a lot of other high powered rifles for hunting.

They also use them for sporting events, target practice along with a host of other things. Have you ever heard of anyone going on a "killing spree" during a sporting event?

What about the bombs that were planted in this idots apartment - are we going to start putting "chemical control" on the chemicals anyone can buy at the market bcause there is a potential for mass murder when they are mixed to the right proportin to make a bomb?

What if he decided to use a homemade bomb instead of guns to do mass destruction. What if he opened the door threw a homemade bomb in the theathre with a lit fuse. He would have still accomplished his goal just in a different manner.

Where would be the outrage then would it be against people owning chemicals.

The problem is with "violent people".

If we as a society are that concerned about the violence in gun use, how about we give a psychiatric exam to the kids in school and after they graduate with a follow up examso that we will know for sure who is suicidal or who is on the verge of mass murder so that we can take them out of society to keep them from killing anyone.

Then everyone could go about their businessness knowing they will be safe. That is one way to surely solve the problem -

You will never have another mass murder after that. - yah, right.

[-] 1 points by shadz66 (19985) 11 years ago

Your 'straw men' are stacking up into huge haystack of humungous proportions from which the possible glint of any light reflected from the proverbial elusive needle, will never be able to leave !

Consider : 'Dark Circular Arguments' become impenetrable to love, light and logic' !!

"What IF" upon "what IF" and tenuous, specious pseudo-arguments only really reveal your position of "No Change", therefore 'More of the same' and stop being silly - cos WTF kind of hunting goes on with 'Automatic -- AR-15 ; M-16 ; AK-47 etc., Etc., ETC. --- Assault Rifles' ?!!!

Further, please consider that in all probability, "the problem is with", "violent people" in a 'violent country' ; with very easy access to military grade assault weapons !!!!

Re. "what if" - what IF homicidal lunatics could NOT get hold of automatic weapons ?!!!

Would most sane people not indoctrinated on NRA 'talking points' think that this was sensible ?!!

adversus solem ne loquitor !