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Forum Post: dangerous clusterf&ck

Posted 2 years ago on Sept. 12, 2011, 10:28 a.m. EST by anonymous ()
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Tell ya what, when there's a real plan, with real preparation, and real security for people on the street (and I don't mean protection from law enforcement), let us know, then maybe you'll get a mass occupation going. At this point, this gathering looks suspect and dangerous.

It has no stated mission, which will hold back all but the sheeple willing to bleet for any cause. Sorry but democracy requires rules, and this event has none. How will this public group vote be conducted, etc?

It doesn't appear to have even a modicum of public safety and first aid preparation, let alone prepared to serve basic human needs such as food, sanitation & shelter. And it does not appear the organizers are even listening to helpful suggestions (such as posting lists of items to bring, in an easy-to-find webpage, etc.)

I get the impression this event is too-much too-soon, and needs a whole lot more work and planning to be successful.

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[-] 0 points by anonymous () 2 years ago

It's an Eminence Front? Or a put on, or just a ploy to get more suckers to subscribe.

Waiting for the real revolution - no, not Prince's or the so-called Forth Reich, nor the Romans, nor the Jews, nor Judas, nor the twelve, nor the priests, nor the scribes, nor doomed Jerusalem itself...

[-] 0 points by anonymous () 2 years ago

yeah guys - dont at all think that all the things you are doing here - organizing food, make-shift shelter, first aid... - is in any way being prepared (or as prepared as something like this can get) No we need a real, money backed, organization to fill out the right paper work and pay for some security. Dont at all try to get spontanious with the masses to show the system they are wrong - do give people a reason to unite regardless of police and regulation

[-] 0 points by anonymous () 2 years ago

@ the first poster - If you think there are toilets and water within a few blocks of everywhere, you're obviously not from here. Public toilets are at a PROFOUND premium, especially in the Wall St. area. If you think you're going to be able to drag your grungy, sleeping on the streets ass into the local pub and use the bathroom, you're in for a rude awakening.

[-] 0 points by anonymous () 2 years ago

To be clear - I'm not saying "don't go". I'm saying "Go in with both eyes open."

[-] 0 points by anonymous () 2 years ago

Small groups are safe groups. Every groups needs to hold signs, and ensure that they are not blocking the sidewalk. This will ensure that no one in your group gets arrested or beaten up. And this occupation will be sustainable.

[-] 0 points by anonymous () 2 years ago

safe and snug in your living room,,,,,,,NAAA, gasmask,,got it! riot dog,got em! ya ive been wondering about non "system" first aid, people need to bring proper equip,,i personally will be team black,,

[-] 0 points by anonymous () 2 years ago

Anonmed will no doubt be out and about.

[-] 0 points by anonymous () 2 years ago

Then stay home so no one has to hear you whine!

[-] 0 points by anonymous () 2 years ago

i agree, there has been infighting, setting things back

[-] 0 points by anonymous () 2 years ago

Infighting? In the United States?! Say it ain't so!

[-] 0 points by anonymous () 2 years ago

How about you solve some of the problems you point out? I think the people agree this is urgent-no time for perfectionism, it is time to geto to the streets and send a message

[-] 0 points by anonymous () 2 years ago

Hmmm... I don't think that the protests in Egypt were first drawn up on a Microsoft Office Project spreadsheet, or shown on a PowerPoint demonstration. It's freaking New York! There's food, water, and toilets within a few blocks of everywhere! This will be a great movement, that will evolve organically as it goes along. As to your statement "democracy requires rules", that is only part of the definition of democracy. The complete definition of democracy is "rule of the people." That is exactly what this movement is.

The term comes from the Greek: δημοκρατία – (dēmokratía) "rule of the people", which was coined from δῆμος (dêmos) "people" and κράτος (Kratos) "power", in the middle of the 5th-4th century BC.

If you are too afraid to show up, then stay home, safe and snug in your living room.

[-] 0 points by anonymous () 2 years ago

People should read this article about deindividuation and mobs, to understand how this event is has to be planned a whole lot more for it to have any positive outcomes.

http://youarenotsosmart.com/2011/02/10/deindividuation/

The Misconception: People who riot and loot are scum who were just looking for an excuse to steal and be violent.

The Truth: You are are prone to losing your individuality and becoming absorbed into a hivemind under the right conditions.

Deindividuation takes away your inhibitions as well as your sense of self and fear of accountability, but this isn’t necessarily a bad thing. The same force which brings otherwise rational people to loot and vandalize and invade Poland can also lead to prosocial behaviors. If you are surrounded by positive cues, deindividuation could lead you to work harder in an exercise class, or pitch in at a homeless shelter, or help build a house. People who forget their sense of self and work together to save a life or search for a missing child show deindividuation is a neutral force of the human will. When 4Chan or Digg or Reddit assemble into an anonymous collective to exact revenge it often ends in actual justice. Once deindividuation kicks in, the cues from the environment shape the resulting behavior. The norms of the mob, good or evil, replace the norms of everyday life.

[-] 0 points by anonymous () 2 years ago

Bill O'Reilly over here. Safety first! Liberty later!

[-] 0 points by anonymous () 2 years ago

Sounds like you are looking for an excuse not to participate. We need fewer arm chair critics, and more participants. Think long and hard about this and join the revolution.....as imperfect as it may be

[-] 0 points by anonymous () 2 years ago

here here

[-] 0 points by anonymous () 2 years ago

Looking to not participate in a giant clusterflop isn't the same as not wanting to participate in something useful and positive. Useful and positive require a lot of effort, not just whim of the moment exuberance.

[-] 0 points by anonymous () 2 years ago

Sometimes a revolution only gets time for the whim of the moment of exuberance. Methinks you are not cut out for the revolution.

[-] 0 points by anonymous () 2 years ago

thank you ... i didnt want to be the one to say it :) the logistics and planning forum has pretty much everything but that so kind sir or madam suggest some things every person involved can be an organiser thus is the beauty of autonomy. everyone can decide if they decide to

[-] 0 points by anonymous () 2 years ago

wow. if you don't like it then go back in time and do a better job three months ago.