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Forum Post: Criminally rich - libertarian ideolgy plays out as individual opression.

Posted 2 years ago on April 27, 2020, 1:59 p.m. EST by elf3 (4203)
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Some people believe it is their inherent right to do the wrong thing, as long as there is profit to be made.

The problem with libertarians:

  • is you can't make people behave with morality or ethics - so if you wipe away the ability to regulate - presuming some idea that they will do the right thing in spite of the glaring repeated evidence that no they do not - then you have given sociopaths with money carte blanche to hurt others. (On the other hand poor sociopaths who can't hide behind a corporate entity or board generally find themselves in jail for crimes and the harm they cause).

Wealthy sociopaths change laws to make murder legal and avoid responsibility for harm by removing themselves directly and employing others to do their dirty work.

The ability to swing your fists ends at my nose. So if you pollute water, air, horde resources like oil, and land and having to much wealth is the cause - then that wealth absolutely MUST BE REGULATED. If those with to much wealth are using it to oppress and harm others including to bribe and lobby to change laws to their own benefit so that they receive legislation which allows them to swing their giant fists into our faces - then we MUST REGULATE AND STOP IT. WE MUST REGULATE WEALTH.

Those who are too wealthy have proven time and time again they will use that wealth to monopolize markets, harm the public (air, water, pollution), horde resources, REMEMBER EPI-PENS? and all around make life difficult for the ordinary people - we must REGULATE WEALTH. What is more if that they have had more than 30 years to prove that somehow they would fix everything with their de-regulation trickle down philosophy.

Everything has become much worse and the INDIVIDUAL has been far more restricted under their policies. DEREGULATION IS A FAILED EXPERIMENT AND AN UTTER DISASTER FOR THE INDIVIDUAL. The wealthy one percent has turned their money into a bureaucratic machine as powerful and corrupt as any Communist Regime in history - I would wager to say it is WORSE - because the hands of multi-national conglomerates have the power to reach their hand of control into every government across the world.

While deregulation has turned their wealth into unimaginable gains - they have not used this wealth to do good for the meek of this world. While they focus on rocket ships to the moon - they have not used their gains to make individuals more free or cure the ills of society - but to create fewer and fewer options for survival or upward mobility. Their control of markets and resources and increasing shares have made it impossible for an individual to possibly compete against them. This de-regulation of wealth has proven an utter disaster for the individual. When these powerful entities swing their fists into our faces - we individuals are left with no recourse and no choice but to become cogs in the ever growing corporate bureaucracies and individual crushing machine that seeks to enslave us the same as any corrupt communistic system.

Regulation and oversight keep corruption in check as does a free press. Regulated Regulation is the enemy of Corruption. Anytime you de-regulate oversight - then corruption blooms - whether in government or in markets, or with resources. Without oversight any system is vulnerable to corruption. And what do we mean by oversight? We mean protecting the rights and freedoms of the individual against systems that may bully or oppress their freedoms - it DOES NOT MEAN ALLOWING THE INDIVIDUAL TO BULLY OR OPRESS THE FREEDOMS AND RIGHTS OF OTHERS.

As it is playing out we are now in this neo-libertarianism meant to work for the benefit and greater good of a few elite one percent who control us - who control our governments - and who limit our choices and options - THIS IS THE OPPOSITE OF FREEDOM IT IS OPRESSION BY ANOTHER NAME (LIBERTARIANISM). As far as innovation? I see not one iota of innovation coming out of any of these nouveaux riche. Blindness, paralysis, starvation, pollution, cancer, birth defects, poverty, have not only not been solved but increased exponentially - what has any of their wealth brought us but war and misery, less choices, and less beauty. The narcissists of the world literally can not see beyond their own gains to live in the shoes and lives of the average person. Their concierge healthcare, their endless choices, the caged beauty they have for themselves - is out of reach to regular people. They stole the world - and they haven't a clue as they drown on the idea of their own grandiosity in the false meritocracy of their dumb luck and built in silver spoon safety nets - and TIME. Time that has been stolen from our lives, beauty that has been stolen from us - and TAKEN by the rich.

Who among us may cure cancer? Be the next Mozart? Or Shakespeare? We will never know they are too busy working two jobs to pay rent to landiers and working 12 hour days at Amazon and ever increasing shares of their income to pay for overpriced resources.

Being rich isn't a crime ...or maybe these days... it is?



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[-] 2 points by agkaiser (2515) from Fredericksburg, TX 2 years ago

There is no way to be rich that doesn't involve taking the fruits of the labors of many other people. There is no substantive difference between an employee and a slave. Your choice is all in your heads, you Libertarian morons.

[-] 1 points by elf3 (4203) 2 years ago

We also live in an age when a corporation can fire someone because of their views. For those fans of Ayn Rand out there - how does this mesh with your ideology? Are liberals somehow behind data mining and media monitoring? When a person is being REGULATED by those who employ them - and there are fewer and fewer places one can work, due to deregulation, then I can't see how this system favors the individual. The same companies preaching and lobbying for deregulation are regulating the individual to a degree which we have never seen. Not only can your job check to see which books you read and what you are looking up - they can fire you if they don't like it. And somehow people have been duped into believing this control is being driven by the left? By organizations like the ACLU who protect free speech and the individual? We are deregulating corporations and government and basically giving them unprecedented power to control and regulate individuals. This is the opposite of liberation.

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 2 years ago

''We’ve reached a level of dystopia that I’m not sure even Margaret Atwood could have imagined''

by Arwa Mahdawi - and with no latin I actually know able to fully reflect the state of U$A during this time!

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (23646) 2 years ago

"Do these protesters not understand the irony here? Do they not understand how hypocritical it is to fight against a woman’s right to choose while simultaneously fighting for their own right to do whatever they like? Do they not understand how you can not possibly be “pro-life” if you’re flouting lockdown laws to participate in dense protests that could cause a surge in coronavirus cases?"

"Rightwing protesters in handmaid’s costumes are taking gaslighting to a new level" says Mahdawi from: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/apr/25/trump-handmaids-tale-coronavirus

I believe she is speaking about the protestors who want the right to NOT wear a mask as if that is such a big deal, and thereby have the right to make other people sick with COVID19. But, respect for life, yeah!

[-] 2 points by elf3 (4203) 2 years ago

OMG - TOTALLY!!!! This point really needs to be its own forum post. "Send people back to work" (to die !!) from - the same people who claim to be pro-life. What they really are is pro-control. This insane cult needs to go. The problem is crazy people have endless stamina. They don't get tired. This real sickness in our country isn't pandemic - it's the mental illness of the Trump CULT of NARCISSISM. They ignore science in order to adopt beliefs being preached to them which are also designed to manipulate them into a dogma which is serving the greedy. They don't really want to look at abortion science - they believe the science community lies about fetus development, (they think fake pictures showing giant aborted babies are what really goes on) they believe they lie about global warming, now about pandemic. The refusal to educate themselves or objectively look at facts. In the meanwhile they don't get that taking birth control pauses a woman's cycle and equate this as murder? But they have no problem with GMO's and chemical pollution that can cause miscarriage? You call them on the hypocrazy -They twist facts to suit their beliefs - and stupidity of not understanding how they are being manipulated as pawns to serve the one percent - it boggles the mind. First off - please bring back the Rocky films and working class hero - because when the hell did people start loving their abusive underpaid jobs enough to beg and demand from government to go back and risk being infected with a deadly virus? What a bunch of BOOBS. We wonder why employment sucks in this country, maybe it's because these people have their boot-licking noses stuck so far up their companies asses - that they can now get away with whatever they want to? Since When was being a patriot about - licking the boot? It truly disgusts me. Stand up and fight for your right to a dignified life where the quality of life matters more than consuming cheap crap. or I guess go back to work and die for the ceo shareholders and rich politicians but maybe the pro-deathers should be exempt from treatment when they get sick then so society can be freed from the idiots.

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (23646) 2 years ago

"Stand up and fight for your right to a dignified life." BINGO! NOT, stand up and fight to keep your low wages and to enrich someone else so you can work, work, work for nothing that benefits you. WTFU people!

We're killing ourselves and the planet in the process of the "profit for the few", "poverty for the rest of us," formula! As you say the manipulation into a dogma that serves only the greedy is a cult! It can be nothing other than a cult.

The lack of self awareness of the hypocrisy of being anti-abortion and yet also anti-children having enough food to eat, anti-spreading COVID19 etc shows that they are mind-managed! And people who fight against their own interests and are that mind-managed must be in a cult of some sort even if it is just ideological.

My only hope now is that the aftermath of COVID19 exposes all the cracks in our system and how sick our society is from it's very core.

Materialism and consumption and working for nothing to grasp at those things that we can never have but that are dangled and worshiped and lionized while we forsake our children and loved ones and a more decent mission on this earth, is making us and our planet very very sick.

Watch "Planet of the Humans" to get a real perspective on how it is the for-profit system that requires consumption and the ever growing economy, an infinitely growing economy, on a FINITE Earth that is the real problem.

Working our asses off, even to our deaths in dangerous jobs, to make profit for the wealthy and corporations via capitalism, the financialization of everything, banking, fiat money, are all a part of this complete sham against the human race. We have to wake ourselves up to the fact that none of this work for nothing and consumption truly benefits us the way they have tried to portray to us that it does.

Here's a link to the film: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zk11vI-7czE

[-] 0 points by grapes (5232) 2 years ago

Abortion right is a very long persisting controversial issue. I wrestled with it almost forty years ago. First question which I wanted everyone to answer is whether they believe in the human right to life. If they don't believe in that, there is no controversy because the right to abort a potential human being cannot encounter any limit as the Red Communists and Socialists believe. They abort viable independently existing human beings like so many flies.

Christianity teaches that all human beings are the Children of God and are therefore endowed with God-given rights. Although people may argue with me about me being a Christian or not ( I may have too many "non-Christian" cultural mutations, ) I absolutely agree with Christianity. All human beings have human rights, chief among these being the right to life.

Now the exercise of this right to life hinges upon the definition of a "human being." Is a developing fetus a human being? I say that the right to life unconditionally exists if the human being has life. If the fetus has human life, its right to life unconditionally exists. We know how to determine whether a dying person still has human life or not so we should also know how to determine in principle whether a fetus has human life or not before aborting it. Is there a heartbeat? Is there brainwave? Is there breathing? Is there a pulse?

Our empirical observations of many fetuses after about ten weeks of gestation show that they most often have all of these attributes. Hence, we should generally agree with the right-to-life camp that fetal lives be protected by the state just as any other human lives.

I don't consider people using birth controls prior to the fetuses having human lives as being contrary to the notion that the fetuses are "the Children of God." If the fetuses are not "children" yet, how can they be the "Children of God?"

It's clear to me that the state has a duty to protect the human lives of fetuses from about ten weeks onwards. Prior to that the fetuses are merely human tissues with the potential for attaining human lives. Most societies don't punish women who menstruate to extrude human ova and human tissues with the potential for attaining human lives. Neither are there many societies which force their women to be fertilized between every menstrual period by their men in order to protect possible new human lives. There are certainly customary limits as to how far anyone carries this protection of possible human lives.

Now the thorny enforcement question comes up next. To know the ten weeks demarcation has been passed or not often requires the cooperation of the pregnant woman so the demarcation is fuzzy at best. Do we go to the same length to ascertain whether life exists in a fetus as in an end-of-life human being? Generally not because of the technical difficulty of doing so.

I therefore agree that fetuses should generally have state protection from being aborted in order to avoid aborting human lives. However, we also have a federal government which within the limits stipulated in the Constitution can supersede what the states do or don't. The states cannot arbitrarily take back what powers they have delegated to the federal government. It's clear ever since the early 1970s that women's right to abortion is indeed supported by the constitutionally sanctioned legal process so women can have safe abortions. I agree with this provision of safety. I see it in a similar light as that being applied to the drinking of alcohol. Ideally no one should drink alcohol because it's toxic in larger quantities and kills and maims people if the drinkers drive automobiles and other vehicles. Alone by itself among the modern states, the U.S. tried banning alcohol ( yeah, it wasn't even a religion like Islam ! the U.S. also brewed up the eugenics movement which Adolf Hitler was fond of and adopted into practice, much to the horror of the World ) but it helped create the "U.S. Federal Reserve," bred bootlegging, organized crimes, speakeasys, and greatly swelled the population of "devout Church-goers." All right, what did Jesus say regarding drinking vintage? "Drink this in remembrance of me" was his command at the Last Supper so alcohol was certainly blessed. I also suspect that on the crucifix before he died, he had asked for wine to drink, not the vinegar the Roman soldiers offered him ( to insult him ).

My position is therefore no women should be prosecuted for having an abortion, in line with the Roe v. Wade Supreme Court decision. However, in practice women should not take the matter of abortion lightly and use that as a form of birth control. I generally side with women in making the decision to abort ( of course, her doctor should be involved for technical and empirical reasons ) because they carry the fetuses and are required by the state to provide for the fetuses upon their births. Men who impregnate women generally don't have the same level of investments into the caring of the fetuses and the resultant children as the mothers-to-be or mothers do so their involvement in the decision to abort should reflect just that.

[-] 1 points by elf3 (4203) 2 years ago

To get caught up in the abortion issue - It's kind of hard for women to reconcile that people care so much what happens to the undeveloped tissue which has not yet developed a full brain - inside of a uterus - while ignoring the plight of conscious walking starving children eating off of garbage piles in this world, or while sending bombs that fall on them. It seems clear that at issue is not out of concern - but for control. The declaration of a woman's uterus as a vessel of God as though it belongs to the human race instead of part of her private personhood doesn't seem appropriate. Giving women the decision is in and of itself strange if you think about it - why do women need to be "granted consent" to decide what is right for their individual bodies and lives. Because if people would think in these terms - is the law going to start deciding women's uteruses should not be allowed to sit empty when they could be put to use creating life? What's next - mandatory pregnancy? Should the law demand we rent them out to less fertile women? Or Maybe we can start harvesting tissue in there for pharmaceutical research? My point is our bodies do not belong to the state, religions, or others and until a fetus can live on it's own outside of us - it is still a part of our bodies and not yet a separate entity. And laws reflect that as well - by limiting the point at which one can have an abortion. And even if you want to wax poetic or lament over the loss of the future potential person in there - unfortunately for a fetus - "God" or nature - made us beings dependent upon the body of a woman who has the ability to make a choice on if we get to be expressed or not. And then too all of this from a country which still lacks PAID maternity leave, adequate healthcare for said fetus, or adequate pay to properly feed, house, and provide for family.

[-] 1 points by JPB950 (2254) 2 years ago

I don't believe they care. It's easy for anyone to hold a moral view that forces others to sacrifice. When they're asked to sacrifice the rationalizing begins. It's no longer about the the sanctity of life, now it's about MY rights. Of course it's hypocritical, but the selfish individual doesn't care, and as you can see there are far too many selfish individuals out there.

The pandemic is a world wide problem that needs a cooperative effort and sacrifice to solve. Unfortunately there is a large number of people that don't care. Their interests don't go beyond themselves. It's a flaw in human nature it simply isn't possible to force people to think the same way and agree on a common action.

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (23646) 2 years ago

Can we develop a collectivist attitude after COVID 19?

Will we find out that the countries that performed the best during the pandemic are the ones that worked together for harmonious lockdowns?

Is it that our "rugged individualism" in America is actually our own worst enemy? I think, in times of crisis, it certainly is. A me, me, me attitude only harms others.

We are social animals and only by caring about one another can we thrive, imho anyway.

[-] 1 points by JPB950 (2254) 2 years ago

I see human beings as social animals, but in a tribal way. The natural instinct is to guard and provide for the tribe. You are right, a more empathetic or ideologically pure socialist attitude is called for to fight a pandemic. Unfortunately I don't see it as being in us.

If I assume the correct medical decisions were made by government. The more homogeneous societies may do better with lockdowns and social distancing but so will those with strongly authoritarian governments.

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (23646) 2 years ago

America is supposed to be a melting pot? Remember when we had pride in that? Not sure why you think homogeneous societies would do better.

Would it be possible for Americans to be "tribal" as Americans, not divided into colors of skin? Not with this Divider in Chief.

With regard to Covid, if white people cared about black people they'd be wearing masks, because they'd care that these people are dying at much greater rates.

Again, it's a selfish society. If I'm not affected, I don't care. Sick!

[-] 0 points by grapes (5232) 2 years ago

Yes, America is supposed to be a melting pot { in reality, it's largely true for all lighter-skinned people melting into "the Whites," the fade-into-the-background default with systemic privileges encoded in institutions and people's minds. } There were "those beer-drinking, sausage-chomping, perennially warlike ¿authoritarian? Germans," "pasta-eating, fat and doting mommas, family-oriented associated-with-organized-crimes Italians," "pale-faced, poor-working-ethic-and-morale/¿morals?, too-often-intoxicated, ne'er-do-well Irish," "big-nose-to-suck-free-air tiny-skullcap-wearing beady-eyed pale-as-a-ghost Jews," etc. in the olden days. I as an immigrant kid decades ago picked up these ethnic stereotypes from the people living here but I feel that these have largely vanished these days. I could still discern the ethnicities' differences but for the newer immigrants they have become largely invisible. I therefore think that we can take some pride in "the melting pot" for "the Whites" in America. The term "Whites" is artificial, a legacy from the systemic societal apartheid conspiratorial racial-superiority myth to justify the recent-few-centuries' slavery practiced/practised by the European colonizers.

A partially homogeneous society would be better because it helps reduce cultural conflicts which may lead to violence. I generally abhor violence but I cannot completely transcend violence because it's the only form of speech some people will listen to. Just ask the many revolutionaries why they took to violence and you may understand. There are limits. I talk about my Dad because he had somehow squeezed through the difficult times of WWII and the Korean Conflict still alive. The Germans torpedoed him. The British left him to be drowned as a can't swim or stay-afloat "dry-land duck," blown up by the ship's boiler in a steam explosion triggered by the icy North Atlantic seawater, or gnawed apart and eaten by the sharks. The Germans rescued, detained, interrogated, and released him ( and probably warned him to get farther away from the European battlefield--neither Germany nor Great Britain would miss him, one side having one fewer potential enemy and the other side just chalking him up as a war casualty.) The Afrikaners bashed him in the head ( which grew a horn so yeah, he could be said to have been "crowned" as "a unicorn." ) He was fed up with the British authority's inaction to quell the apartheid hordes in South Africa. He went to trade/work with/for the Americans instead on the other side of the Earth, away from the Europeans' war. Then "Tora! Tora! Tora!" happened to Pearl Harbor. Dad had two legs to run with but war had wings to catch up to him ( I'm amazed by his uncanny ability to be right at the epicenter of the racial/ethnic/nationality/country fault zones rapidly turning into war zones.) Being a pacifist, following Mahatma Gandhi, and running away didn't get him out of the global war. When there's nowhere to escape to, it's better to die fighting as a hero than be shot as a pacifist.

I see nation-states as cultural "magnetic" domains so Nature has shown us how frustrations arising from irreconcilable constraints can be minimized. My life experience with multiple cultures told me that some cultural aspects are indeed irreconcilable. Sometimes, a necessary coping mechanism is our First Amendment, "eyes wide shut," by reining in our controlling impulses. I came to the conclusion that the rampant unplanned integration of peoples was begging for troubles. All empires are authoritarian so in order to avoid losing our freedom to them, we want many maybe-necessarily-smaller pieces of: 》ein Volk, ein Land, eine Kultur《 federated to challenge the Red Devil distorting reality now or eventually the Black Hole(s) with the event horizon(s) of no return. Taiwan was naïve and now Germany is naïve--but the U.S. has our visionary Trump for 2040 ! ( Red China glorified the unknowing transfer of German technologies to it. Of course, there are also knowing { to-the-relevant-people } transfers of the Israeli-developed/U.S.-funded dual-use technologies to help keep Israel economically afloat and beef up the might of the Red Devil for the killing of U.S. military bases, afloat or immobile. Israel was the best shop to buy the most advanced U.S. military secrets and technologies because its permanent battles make it the Arabian-Peninsula Weapons Proving Ground for the U.S. Military. Its proximity to Turkey is why Turkey's loss to Russia can be so damaging in the long run. Turkey sandwich will be fought over and eaten up by the warring red and black ants as I had seen in my neighborhood garbage dump--golden piss can hardly reach there to preemptively stop the upcoming war. Recall why Russia had seized Crimea for--an eventual breakout into the Mediterranean Sea and beyond: Suez, Malta, and Gibraltar. Europe gave up stabilizing Libya after Arab Springs so Russia may well gain influence and thereby control an additional oil producer besides itself ( Libya's light sweet crude helps satisfy Europe's strict environmental regulations well.) to throttle Europe, Israel, and the Gulf states' crude producers, primarily. Europe's dependence on Russian Energy and Russian-throttled/Libyan crude and the exhaustion of North Sea crude will make Europe submit to Russia as Russia's vassals when the memories of why Germany had fought so many wars fade. )

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (23646) 2 years ago

This call for homogeneity is such total crap. Not buying it, sorry. Humans can do much better.

It's also impossible to have it here in America because remember?!!! White people brought Africans to this continent and enslaved them?!!! WTF is wrong with white people? Know and think about your friggin' history!!!!

[-] 0 points by grapes (5232) 2 years ago

Be warned of my "empathy with the thinking of the master race of olden times" and our uniquely American societal inheritance from them. I neither agree with such thinking nor condone the oppression but as the "asshole" born of "a unicorn" crowned by Apartheid pre-Pearl-Harbor-attack, I set it out for all to debate or contemplate. This was delivered from the empathized ( with neither good nor ill will attached ) past. Empathy doesn't necessarily have good will attached to it.

Precisely because the early Colonists to America brought Africans to this continent and enslaved them that it has become so difficult to get over the myths about skin colors which had been created expressly for economic hereditary domination and exploitation of the slaves by the master race. These myths had to be embedded into nearly all of the societal institutions and people's minds to exercise conspiratorially their all-pervasive power.

Slaves were very valuable commodities. Importation of them from West Africa cost much money ( captured in raids or battles, paid the markups by the middlemen, furnished transoceanic transportation with prison wardens/floggers, paid for auctioning and subsequent transport and adaptations. ) Remember that they were also highly perishable { due to the dearth of freshwater and crowded conditions for a long sailing trip conducive to the spread of dysentery diseases on the highseas; my Dad when faced with a traveler's diarrhea took a spoonful of opium poppies' alcoholic extract to induce mild constipation which counter-acted the diarrhea, thus warding off the potentially deadly dehydration } on the perilous routes of delivery over the Atlantic Ocean, often aided by the God-supplied "trade winds." Yet, the master race still needed these expensive, genetically superior resistant-to-malaria ( which had killed the master-race workers like flies ) retain-bodily-water-well biological units ( I'm unfit for this field work because I had gotten/got heatstroke twice before, so yeah, biologically I'm born patriotic "give me liberty or give me death" { at the first time, after our group had climbed a long way up to reach the remote watering-hole destination for our barbecue on that very sunny cloudless blue-sky day, I felt very hot and quickly drank much water; then I felt nauseated and threw up; the leader of our group carried me on his back "I'll carry you through this" all the way back to civilization away from heatstroke danger by crouch-walking down a steep shortcut mostly alongside, and at times stepping upon large rocks to cross, a mountain stream with many shady trees and vegetation; at the second time on a different occasion, I threw up } as far as being enslaved as these units is concerned ) to operate the cotton fields of the U.S. South ( the higher-latitude North just wasn't that great for growing cotton desired by England { by no means alone but it was the pioneer } for its industrial production shipped worldwide. Coal was always at the heart of these large-scale profit-making industrial endeavors. )

What was the master race to do to solve this problem? Breed the slaves ! but this ran the risk of having too many of them possibly revolting against the master race. A mechanism had to be found to permanently mark the possession of the master race. Dark skin colors became the readily available natural marking that was inherited by most of the children of the slaves. Few could lighten their skin colors aside from the secret and illicit matings with the males of the master race. Thomas Jefferson's descendants' genetic history proved this point very well. African Americans are genetically very significantly Caucasian due to the prevalence of this practice of the male masters obtaining "comfort" from their female slaves { on average, it's as if every African American were descended from a Caucasian grandpoppa master who got much illicit "comfort" from an African Grandmomma slave } . The practice of female mistresses obtaining "comfort" from their male slaves is believed to be far rarer than the practice of male masters on their female slaves due to the generally patriarchal structure of the society because should a female mistress become pregnant, she probably cannot hide it or a dark-skin baby easily to avoid the likely wrath of her male master. Imperial Japan institutionalized this "comfort" practice during Greater-East-Asian-War conquests.

How convenient it was to use skin colors for such a purpose of oppression and exploitation ! One just had to ensure all societal institutions recognize this mark of enslavement so as to enforce the property rights of the master race ( Black is Black.. all my babies are Black [at least for a few generations]. What can I do? 'cause I'm feeling blue { it's not easy to breed one's children out of one's hereditary skin color; when has one last done miscegenation to integrate posterity via "Grandmaster Golfing?" If one started once it'd become legal and every generation taken to be 25 years + 1 year long for gestation and assuming that a purely Black person wanted to make their posterity be classified as being "White" according to the U.S. South's racial classification standard in order for the posterity to enjoy the systemic White privileges, this is the dilution sequence of Blackness: 1968: 50%-Black baby, 1994: 25%-Black, 2020: 12.5%-, 2046: 6.25%, 2072: 3.125%-Black baby, 2100: a 28-year-old "White" person; it's rather unlikely that generation after generation would assiduously breed following this discipline with every generation breeding with a purely White person; breeding is even tougher than just mating and most of us know, assuming average promiscuity, how few interracial matings we have already done because mating often requires satisfying many cultural and physical prerequisites such as taking MTA B(or old-D) train all the way to Bright♥♡★#on-Beach neighborhood for dating/mating sessions with "White" Slavs: "let's stroll [casually] over to Nathan's to eat hot dogs," "do you wanna grabble me?" "there you go"; I doubt that it's a high enough count to have achieved a no-abortion-no-miscarriage-safely-carried-to-term live-birth pregnancy; so yeah, the biological path is rather unrealistic for this entire century 《 in my-Dad-to-me lineage, it may be even slower, taking centuries; my lineage has very low biological-genetic-change rate via breeding; it's why I'm largely biologically stationary from the deep [for-many-living-people] past relative to other people but culturally I'm much more of a "spacetime traveler" who has "largely the same old hardware but much of the old and somewhat-new software 》 so it's largely up to the societal path of integration for at least decades to come--heterogeneity shall pretty much rule the entire twenty-first century so "magnetic domains" are likely needed for many decades or we get persistent clashes--we need rapid cultural evolution--biology is just not up to snuff for the persistent-breeding task at hand. } ) Of course, whips of the olden time and more guns for modern time also became rather important instruments of coercion. Hence, the U.S. has many gun-related casualties for a very long time already because clashes are numerous.

It's all about the mighty profits. Skin colors serve the purposes akin to what Texans and others need "cattle branding" for. Most people want to have "Big hat. Lots of cattle." Translated into modern terminologies about the very special orange primate, it says, "Squirrel-nest coiffure ¿attracts? Lots of pussies { or headaches? }" If one hasn't got a headache, one hasn't got a business!

There were redemptions. The Irish have many members in law enforcement now instead of being arrested as drunkards and the Mormons are not quite automatically branded as much as before for being inbred or polygamous.

Human beings can do much better culturally and also very quickly if necessary ( e.g. during WWII ) but biologically it's much less of a "rosy" picture unless one goes to mate with high-birth-rate high-death-rate rapid-turnover populations which probably have much higher biological mutation rates. However, I can guess that most people don't desire doing that once they've found out where these populations reside.

As a new illustration of a high-death-rate place, I ask about it: would anyone have loved being in the U.S. epicenter, New York, N.Y., in order to live through the mass culling during this pandemic to acquire a high biological survival advantage afterwards? It sucks!

Highly radioactive isotopes are also great for evolving such an advantage so why aren't people flocking to live in Chernobyl and Fukushima, or clamoring to drink the genetic-diversity-producing water of this river in Russia? ( I've indeed heard of Atomik Vodka, though, but then Mao smoked 555-brand cigarettes, and I drank Almadén wine which was probably produced from the grapes of wrath grown near an abandoned mercury mine in Silicon Valley so don't blame me for being a bit "drunken with dragon's blood" / "dropped-on-my-head by [di-]methyl mercury.. okay? We all love alibis, don't we? We've come a long way, I hope, but are we revisiting where America had been, Mom? ) After all, there is a bacterium in nuclear reactors' core-cooling water which has become extremely resistant to radioactivity. Bacterial life will likely survive a nuclear war. We can evolve human beings who can survive such a war, too.

Who drinks from the mostly drunk cup of stale coffee discarded in the deep-walled garbage bin to be emptied? A mouse named Mikey, a distant starving friend of Walt Disney's favorite mouse, Mickey.

[-] 0 points by JPB950 (2254) 2 years ago

We may have had a good deal of pride in the melting pot. Was it just pride in those that came here and happened to look like us? For the others there was Jim Crow, segregation, restricted neighborhoods, menial jobs. If you looked different or sounded different you didn't get to melt, you had to "know your place" and stay on the edges of society. Maybe your grandchildren could get a seat at the table, but not you. The concept of the melting pot is great in theory, in practice we haven't lived up to the ideal. If we had then the abuses that led to the current protests most likely wouldn't have happened.

With regard to COVID from the interviews I watched concerning spring break, it was apparent many don't care about anyone but themselves. It wasn't a racial matter, just selfishness. You're right it is sick, but unfortunately it's human nature. To be better each of us needs to actually want to be better. It's impossible to force empathy and altruism into someone's personality if they don't want it.

We don't consciously choose what it is we're using to determine whether or not someone is a part of our 'tribe'. I think we've all had the experience of meeting a stranger and learning they went to the same school, came from the same town, had the same occupation, or there is some shared experience.

Without thinking about it that shared experience caused me to feel a bond of sorts with that stranger. In some minor way it made us part of the same tribe. The more we share the easier it becomes to develop real empathy for them. This is why I say homogeneous societies would do better, they share a great deal. A good deal of the work of seeing others as equals and good people has been done already.

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (23646) 2 years ago

Well, JPB950, homogeneity is not possible in America because white people brought black Africans here for hundreds of years and enslaved them. So, this simple idea that we can all stand together in our tribes of "similars" is kinda gross. I'm not buying it. Homogeneity may be easier but it's not possible! It's not even moral! So, therefore, we must do better.

We are ONE HUMAN RACE after all.

[-] 1 points by JPB950 (2254) 2 years ago

I'm not saying anything is or isn't possible. I was offering the opinion that some of the countries that dealt with COVID more effectively have the advantage of being more homogeneous. We may be capable of doing pretty much anything we truly want to do, working together, making sacrifices for the benefit of others.

The problem is that too many just don't want to. Some believe the personal risk for them is low and if you, me, or some stranger gets sick and dies, that's too bad but we're not worth their being inconvenienced.

You're right we are all one human race, but a look at human beings in action shows that too many people believe that they are somehow more human than others.

[-] 0 points by grapes (5232) 2 years ago

De facto near homogeneity already exists extremely widely in the U.S. via the segregation by people's economic class. Most jurisdictions have already exercised this Überpolitik of "drive-the-undesirables-out-with-our-public-policies" for many decades or centuries. It's not much of a stretch at all to be arriving at economic class homogeneity.

The skin-color homogeneity is much harder to achieve, especially with the people who don't breed fast and die fast such as my-Dad-to-me lineage. We shouldn't expect to achieve it before this century is out.

The income homogeneity on a large scale is not palatable with most people here ( there should be freedom to exert extra effort to achieve an exceptional gain whose significant portion is to be enjoyed privately but there must be support provided to national purpose--such as for socialist services: clean air, clean water, clean food, hygiene, health, education, free libraries, livelihood, entertainment, hobby, cultural pursuits, passion, etc. and most importantly defense and diplomacy ) so forget about it. However, basic income homogeneity on a large scale to provide widespread security may well have support.

I'm most interested in achieving cultural homogeneity which is already not far from reality. Nearly de facto economic class homogeneity already provides a significant basis for cultural homogeneity. People move to new residences with "good schools" "good jobs" "good friends" "close to work" etc. in mind. I believe that cultural homogeneity is a good thing to aspire to together. George Floyd's case showed that despite the high level of integration in Minneapolis, the old timers had neither died nor retired. If Minneapolis didn't have this high level of integration, this national ( or maybe even global ) uprising wouldn't have been triggered. Cultural differences DO breed resentment. Some amount of cultural homogeneity minimizes intra-bloc conflicts.

Maybe we need to figure out what type of homogeneity we want first before discussing whether it's desirable or not. I prefer cultural homogeneity because cultures can sometimes be evolved somewhat quickly without too much trouble, unlike skin-color homogeneity. Bottom-orientation served well: my modest-size kiddie chamber pot ( socialized to be used by others as well for watery discharge; it's why no one could be sure whether it was my bombing run at the Yangtze-River Three-Gorges Dam or the Yellow-River spring-tide flood which had caused the overflow; "Oh no!"--I felt smug as a typical Wall Street tycoon did after the Jan. 2007-Oct. 2008 FedRes&Treasury-mediated punctuated-support Great Recession slow-motion-train crash since our Greater all-inclusive Socialism saved ME from a butt spanking: 2+3 = 3+2 > 4 so did 2 or 3 overflow 4? "it's a conspiracy, absolutely not systemic!"--my Big Brother would clean up the stinky socialized mess until the day I had "grown strong" as Mom had promised him; I have neither carried water with buckets/pails and a yoke nor cleaned out my kiddie chamber pot; that fact was partly traceable to my "original sin" of having adopted Grandma's mosquito larvae as my pets but it was corrected by Mom's de facto annexation of the cistern, putting it also under my Big Brother's charge as a "Big Thing" ) was designated as a "Big Thing," the linchpin of hygiene, to be taken care of by my Big Brother, no matter how stinky. Cultural idiosyncracies serving no good purpose anymore should be discarded after having examined their original and historical purposes in order to fit-in the new hopefully "better" cultures. Various cultures offer few final solutions to problems but there are best solutions subject to a set of tradeoff constraints.

Our visionary Trump is neither as dumb as Taiwan had been, nor as stupid { and/or cheap } as Germany would be as the Red Devil's vassal, but will lead the U.S. to even greater glory than ever! Pootin 2036 so the continuity with Trump 2040 shall save the World.

It's the best solution to soaking up rampaging Red Fuckgina's flooding menses.

I must find the mirror to prepare for the upcoming topological "doctor" examination when my pubescent babysitter strips me and herself stark naked. This time I'll also ask her to drink much water first and after a while press upon her lower abdomen/crotch area to induce urination so as to observe firsthand which hole her urine shoots out of and hopefully its volume and timing. Both my neighborhood-boy playmate coauthor and I would like to complete our long-delayed scientific paper with my empirical observational data to be published in the prestigious scientific journal "Mature."

Can NASA spare me a urine collection kit and the WCS suction device ( as high-efficiency collection of water is of vital importance in space,) and a watch to measure the volume of urinary effluent and my pubescent babysitter's water intake as a function of time? We may thereby calculate the water-to-urine conversion ratio and timing, and modulate future water intakes to help control urination. Such a study will be important for establishing the pupils' drinking schedule and elementary/primary school's break/recess schedule in order to minimize classroom flooding and scenting.

I've figured out why Winnie the Pooh doesn't wear underwear ( less problem with any date on Bright♥♡★#on Beach or Con-ey Island riding "The Cyclone" with Grandpoppa to dislodge cinnabar "dragon's blood" kidney stones--it'll ¿smell better? and funner than playing Grandmaster Golf on Pebble Beach in DUMBO.) It's even more efficient than wearing open-crotch underwear pants, now that the yellow fluffy bottom's function has been demonstrated to the World. "Bare bottom may be naked charm."

Cultural homogeneity can do wonders on the pandemic response as shown by "immunized" jurisdictions: Hong Kong got four deaths with no lockdown while New York got tens of thousands of deaths with lockdown even though both are included within the top-three global financial hubs, with comparable population sizes, and normally extremely well-connected to the whole world. Why was there such a huge difference? Hong Kong was "immunized" by the SARS outbreak in 2003 and thereby became wary of what could ooze out of the Redfuckgina next door. Culturally farther away countries just didn't/don't know better than "the Four Asian Tigers:" Hong Kong, Singapore, Taiwan, and South Korea which all did very well in the success of their pandemic response.

Think about why the U.S. Surgeon General's and CDC's recommendation was for the U.S. populace initially NOT to wear masks in the light of what you know about what masks do. Why did the Hongkongers largely wear masks? And so did most ( but not all since many nursing homes and skilled nursing facilities though UNPREPARED, were forced by law against [racial] DISCRIMINATION { reaching from four centuries ago, slavery still killed the elderly people in this pandemic, } to take in CoViD-19-suspect patients so the confined elderly people suffered rampant CoViD-19 infections and died in unusually large numbers due to the close proximity and the long periods people spent time together in these facilities ) of the frontline healthcare workers in the U.S.? Hmm, it's because Hong Kong had bad air and tear-gas pollution and Redfuckgina was halting the export of masks, such as the N95 ones needed by the frontline healthcare workers, as well as other personal protection equipments to the world for a while. Why? Was it hoarding? "Let us spread this germ worldwide during Lunar[Chinese] New Year's mass migration by halting all domestic flights but not international flights ( talk Trump, the Flatearther, who tried to catch crayfish on Pebble Beach in DUMBO { my family caught crabs from Con-ey Island and ate them; yep, from anus to Earth's analogue of NASA's ISS WCS/Waste Collection System on the East River to mouth in just a few miles on this Spaceship Earth } and accidentally fell in, into easing away from banning the flights from Europe, too, via the WHO,) and also ensure the other countries have little protective equipment ( which is overwhelmingly made in Redfuckgina ) against it. Then we can sell these personal protection equipments at much higher prices. Remember: Money is God in our atheistic state. [Redfuckgina] must not suffer alone in this pandemic which by our national policies has been weaponized."

I'm not surprised that the U.S. has finally reclaimed its traditional first place on most lists. Trump 2040 will ensure the continuity of our traditional greatness since Pootin will defect to the Black Sea by 2036 so he may no longer work as a policy consultant but Trump will still need to "finish the job."

It looks like tugged-in Texass is starting to turn gloriously Red. Yáoza! One can "find Jesus" at any time, per Christianity, to be born again. It's qualitatively more than just the mere renéging on evil-intent promises so as to get away from a deviant path. Happy 6/14 Re-birthday from the very fine people on both sides of the mighty golden-flood phallic Miss.is☆★sip.pee, U.S.A. Welcome to the House of Whites and Blacks. All lives matter so health is worth more than others, as Vector Xi assassinates for new-Ming supremacy.

[-] 1 points by elf3 (4203) 2 years ago

I 've personally come to see it as a male problem. WOMEN HAVE LOADS OF EMPATHY. From left to right the men running things are destroying everything. Fame seeking Reverends preaching violence, to politicians grabbing women, to idiots turning protests into violence, to reporters coming on to their co-workers, to ex-raper judges both black and white making crap decisions for this country, to an stupid bigot president and our sell out money grubbing Congress, and ego-driven Wall Street man whores and bankster thugs and corrupt EVERYTHING. We need women in EVERY position of power and leadership. Maybe it should be our turn - men have had their chance! Men screwed it up. Look at EVERYTHING right now. This is all because of men. BLAME MEN! DOWN WITH MEN! LET WOMEN RULE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!MEN Destroy the world and the earth and society. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!


I believe in unicorns and WOMEN leadership!!


I might also add when was the last time you saw a woman stepping on another woman's neck until she couldn't breathe? We didn't do this shit now we have to deal with all this ensuing rioting and madness? Are you kidding me?


[-] 1 points by JPB950 (2254) 2 years ago

You may be right, or it may be that there just haven't been enough women in power to notice the abuses yet.

Senator Kelly Loeffler didn't let gender or ethics get in the way of profiting from insider information about the COVID-19 outbreak. The college entrance scandal was orchestrated by a man, but there were plenty of rich, entitled women willing to cheat and step on and over others to buy a place for their kids.

Law enforcement is a male dominated field, but still there are women in law enforcement that abuse their power. Officer Shelby Wright was indicted for using excessive force on a handcuffed suspect last December. Not up to the "step on the neck" level yet, but give the sisters time.

Turning all power over to women might work. I wouldn't mind giving it a try, but a decade or so down the road you may find that some women are just as self serving as men and just as evil.

[-] -1 points by grapes (5232) 2 years ago

I doubt very much that it's a male or female problem per sé. I think that it's the male/macho culture inculcated into most boys and men which lies at the root of the problem. Of course, the societal environment which condones such behaviors or bestows male immunity allows such sociopathy to fester and flourish.

Females can be just as sociopathic as males but they tend to be much rarer. Few people would care about an amazon dominating Antarctica with her sociopathy as females are often not in the "in-group."

I suspect male/macho culture to play a very significant role in sociopathy because Muslim culture is extremely male-dominated. Europe has largely stayed Christian instead of having become Islamic because Christian Spain blocked the Moors. It's not accidental that we have the infamously cruel Spanish Inquisitions. It takes a more powerful poison to stop a powerful poison. There's no end to this unless there is an antidote to the most powerful poison of all. I believe that it is Mercy, Grace, and Love.

This male/macho culture also spread to Latin America and the Hispanics who tend to have more incidents of the lack of impulse control. In decades past, advocates of mass immigration to the U.S. to shore up the Social Security and Medicare system claimed that the taxes collected from the immigrants would greatly alleviate its solvency problem. Despite the large amount of immigration in recent decades, the solvency problem still exists. I haven't seen many Hispanics engineers, attorneys at law, or medical doctors. Why? I think that Hispanics have a cultural problem controlling impulsive behaviors. Many higher paid occupations require much education and successful outcome of education largely hinges upon controlling impulses.

I feel that the U.S. has bred a large population of impulsive people ( not just the silver-spoon-fed Hispanics who drive impulsively and crash to kill people, themselves included sometimes ) to its detriment. Impulsiveness and cruelty may have a genetic basis bred into the Hispanic population as a result of resisting the austere-environment patriarchal Islamic culture born of the hard-to-survive-in bandit-rampant environment of the desert. Yeah, you've got to [ get on | go ] guard your fucking females from being snatched by the other fucking males, right?

Texans had a derogative saying: "Big hat. No cattle." I suppose that Muslims wouldn't like to be chided by anyone as: "Big head. No harem," for an excellent biological reason ( thoroughbreds came from Arabian horses for a good reason, same one as why kangaroos can travel fast as preys must, far, and efficiently in the arid Outback--no water means no life so all survivors must get high moisture mileage lest they die of thirst between oases; very few of the thoroughbreds or kangaroos have been bred from eating and drinking at McDonald's or Burger King's ! ) Most males value harems ( livestock farmers such as for pigs also use this method or even gone to artificial insemination to maximize production due to the energy efficiency and its needing no boring-company's boar; yeah, the poor sow didn't even get the old-school Coke; maybe Redfuckgina can use a real monostable multivibrator for satisfying the kindergartener-hands' "state-sovereignty" rule in lieu of the "too-gay" but high-gain Darlington pair ) because males invest very little energy to initiate a baby ( monogamous marriage was an institution widely evolved to buffer this energy imbalance between males and females; various forms of birth control have alleviated this dependence upon marriage to foster the proper and civilized raising of the young chosen ones; it's quite possible to exert birth control to avoid runaway populations such as that of the introduced rabbits in Australia ) and in the process they're amply rewarded with sexual pleasure built into the opiates-dispensing pleasure-reward circuitry built into all humans to give pep. ( God obviously didn't intend the cleavage between Adam and Eve which was created to satisfy Adam's wish to become like the animals, to see the light of day. The cleavage was temporarily healed during heterosexual paired human mating to recreate for a short while the original Adam's body, which was made in the image of God, thus possessing God's generative power to generate babies in the image of Adam and Eve. This cleavage is really "the bone of contention" between God and Satan, whether the "improvement" done upon a most-perfect-already body constituted an even greater work done by the Maniacal Artist, under the light of the human freedom of choice which had been built into the Garden of Eden right at its center as the two trees.) This pleasure circuitry facilitates maximizing the elapsed proper time ( that's how physical objects [ extremely probably on a macroscopic { supra-quantum/Newtonian/General-Relativity } level ] move; all paths are possible as Feynman had formulated but the ones having the near-to-maximum entropy values are far more probable than all others ) to accommodate the generation of the maximum entropy ( babies are forked-off processes to create more soiled diapers, demand for foods, nannies, babysitters, clothings, baby-walkers, cradles, alphabet vocabulary books, etc. all contributing to entropy.) Damascus steel daggers would be rather helpful for defending a harem, wouldn't it? Legend has it that it can cut cleanly through ¿agreement-tissue? paper dropped down in thin air.

In the militaristic and extremely patriarchal Japan, a similar thing happened. Despite their probable gruesome military-sword ancestry of slicing cleanly through five prisoners into ten halves with a single stroke, I love using the extremely sharp cutting-the-finest-silk-satin-embroidery-without-any-fraying Japanese scissors !

[-] 1 points by elf3 (4203) 2 years ago

If libertarians judge freedom by their bank accounts - then do they find it strange only one percent of society is "free"? They are also fond of the term "relative wealth"...meaning they don't view themselves as wealthy in comparison to Jeff Bezos or others they aspire to emulate - therefore they are part of "the struggle". Delusional spoiled rich brats. As far as the other average libertarian people duped into believing taxes are the problem - don't apparently realize corporations have an algorithm for what they charge. You could keep all your tax money and they would take the difference. The idea that their lives would improve is a lie designed to hijack their focus from the real problem of deregulation and corporate conglomerate tyranny and ownership. They also need to realize the beneficiaries of their tax money is the one percent. All of it ends up back in their coffers.

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 2 years ago

RW Libertarians are, "Delusional spoiled rich brats. As far as the other average libertarian people duped into believing taxes are the problem - don't apparently realize (that) corporations have an algorithm for what they charge.You could keep all your tax money and they would (still) take the difference. The idea that their lives would improve is a lie designed to hijack their focus from the real problem of ... Deregulation and Corporate Conglomerate Tyranny and Ownership. They also need to realize that the beneficiaries of their tax money is the one percent. All of it ends up back in their coffers." - Because your words warrant repeating! Also fyi, elf - please also consider ...

e tenebris, lux?!

(from darkness, light?!)