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Forum Post: Consider the last 7 years. OK OK 6+ years then. But one really could look at the last 40 or so.

Posted 2 years ago on May 17, 2015, 8:50 p.m. EST by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN
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Now - disregarding Oh-Bummer and his insane push for the TPP.

Let's have a reality check.

Who forwarded issues that would benefit the people?

Who roadblocked those issues (legislation)?

Now - consider.

When the democrats in office had the majority - was it a large enough majority to get past rethuglican roadblocks?

(yes I called them rethuglicans - not to dis real republican people - but to point out the fact that those assholes in office do not represent "at all" the public they are supposed to)

Now considering that you may have answered correctly (that last question) - that no the dems never had a large enough majority to get past the roadblocks placed before them.

What do you think should be done in the next election cycle?

a) leave things just as they are because the last 7 years were just a freak aberration - and so just opt out as no change is needed.

b) vote in more dems ( not red state rethuglicans' with the D designation) to insure a successful majority.

c) elect more rethuglicans cause it makes sense that they were only unwilling to work with the dems in support of the people - never mind that all of their legislation has been against the average individual and has all been catering to the wealthy.

Your answer here _

I chose "b" - but HEY a lot of mutts will tell ya that it is because I am a die hard dem.

What did you choose?

I ask - because though the answer might seem pretty damned obvious - many people will none the less choose to vote against their best interests. I think that this is because that they have not to this point in time been following what actually happens in government.

Worse they will believe it when they are told it was the other guys fault.

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[-] 4 points by windyacres (1197) 2 years ago

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government

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[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

[-] 1 points by mdonelly (428) from Mineola, NY 19 minutes ago

Good post. Those beautiful words from the Declaration of Independence can remind us that wanting justice is not a radical notion, but rather a a righteous goal.

↥twinkle ↧stinkle reply permalink

12th track: (Hiding in plain sight) "Also known as trying to hide in the light"

We get really strident with this - when we feel we need to reapply shredded cover

All it requires - is - enough expressed vitriol for the system in general - and many will believe you mean it - while one need not provide any supporting substance.

(part 2)

When the 1st part is not enough we also love to pretend to support protest and things (whatever is handy) - helps to throw off suspicion.

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[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Good thing we got that in writing - Hey?

[-] 0 points by windyacres (1197) 2 years ago

It's no good in writing currently because OWS can't even agree with it.

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

[-] 2 points by windyacres (1173) 16 hours ago

It's no good in writing currently because OWS can't even agree with it. ↥twinkle ↧stinkle reply permalink

I don't know about that. What part do you feel that doesn't OWS doesn't agree with?

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[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Are both parties corrupted? Yes. And I do believe that OWS is aware of this. Now are both parties in office the same? No. Because if both were as evil - then - there would be no social safety net programs at all and there would be no EPA or FDA there would be no labor law at all there would be no support for civil rights for all - this country would be so much worse than it currently is. And Yes if the people do not retake government things will only get worse.

[-] 0 points by windyacres (1197) 2 years ago

If there were no safety net programs at all, no EPA or FDA, then there would be no argument for you to make and serious revolution would occur. The deceit depends on people continuing to believe that settling for the lessor evil is a viable choice. The sophistication of the corruption tricks the majority of the people, we have no choice but to revolt by voting against those involved in the corruption, including those that are less evil.

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Who is asking to settle for the lesser evil? Not I. I am saying vote out all of the evil. If they are not for supporting the people and are only catering to the wealthy and corp(se)oRATions then they have got to go.

[-] 2 points by windyacres (1197) 2 years ago

Great, all we need to do is find your references to dems being far less evil than repubs, then get you to vote against all evil. Now that we agree, let's use the power of democracy and momentum toward others that are about to awaken.

[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

dems being far less evil than repubs

If you can't see it - you are blind - or have not been watching.

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[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

[-] 1 points by windyacres (1159) 0 minutes ago

See what DK? You stated that you weren't going to settle for the lessor evil, but vote out all evil. Unless you believe the dems represent no evil, then that means you agree with Occupy. I can easily see the dems as the lessor evil, but that is the plan they have to trick us to vote for them! It's all corrupted DK, agree?

↥twinkle ↧stinkle reply permalink

What's your action plan? Do you have a 50 state program ready to rock and roll?

Or are you just here to say how much things suck?

And you seem unable to admit that the rethugs are 100% locked into full support of the 1%

So - you go ahead - and show me the same about the dems - then you will not be erroneously conflating.

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[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

[-] 2 points by windyacres (1164) 2 hours ago

The sophisticated corrupt plan wouldn't work if there weren't a lessor evil. The rethugs are 100% locked into full support of the 1% just as you say. What I am saying is the establishment of the dem party are also 100% in lock step with the 1% but are acting out a plan. The plan works because the dems blame the repugs for preventing them from implementing their good ideas when that is a lie, they really don't want to, and is the part of the plan that tricks people with good intentions!

↥twinkle ↧stinkle reply permalink

16th track "(When we conflate)"

We are doing our best to prevent legitimate debate.

As - we can't have people considering matters like:

Who supports access to Health care for all

Who attacks access to Health care for all

or

Who supports raising taxes on the wealthy

Who attacks raising taxes on the wealthy

or

Who supports expanding Social Security

Who attacks Social Security

or

Who promotes environmental standards and protective restrictions

Who attacks environmental standards and protective restrictions

I mean if we do not shut this stuff down it becomes pretty easy to see that we really can't conflate the dems as being exactly the same as the rethuglicans.

We need to support our meaningless self defeating circular logic - that to gain participatory democracy and control of government - that the people need to opt out.

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[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

[-] 1 points by windyacres (1159) 4 minutes ago

The sophisticated corrupt plan wouldn't work if there weren't a lessor evil. The rethugs are 100% locked into full support of the 1% just as you say. What I am saying is the establishment of the dem party are also 100% in lock step with the 1% but are acting out a plan. The plan works because the dems blame the repugs for preventing them from implementing their good ideas when that is a lie, they really don't want to, and is the part of the plan that tricks people with good intentions!

↥twinkle ↧stinkle reply permalink

Please you are not that naive.

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[-] -3 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

[-] 3 points by windyacres (1164) 13 hours ago

Corruption of the political process that includes deceit to prevent all of us from recognizing the only two political parties are in collusion on the corruption.

↥twinkle ↧stinkle reply permalink

16th track "(When we conflate)"

We are doing our best to prevent legitimate debate.

As - we can't have people considering matters like:

Who supports access to Health care for all

Who attacks access to Health care for all

or

Who supports raising taxes on the wealthy

Who attacks raising taxes on the wealthy

or

Who supports expanding Social Security

Who attacks Social Security

or

Who promotes environmental standards and protective restrictions

Who attacks environmental standards and protective restrictions

I mean if we do not shut this stuff down it becomes pretty easy to see that we really can't conflate the dems as being exactly the same as the rethuglicans.

We need to support our meaningless self defeating circular logic - that to gain participatory democracy and control of government - that the people need to opt out.

  • by (mdonelly & turbocharger - harmonizing - the Cronies singing back-up)
[-] 0 points by mdonelly (324) from Mineola, NY 2 years ago

Go away..

[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

[-] 0 points by mdonelly (428) from Mineola, NY 11 minutes ago

Go away..

↥twinkle ↧stinkle reply permalink

No.

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[-] -2 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

[-] 0 points by mdonelly (428) from Mineola, NY 3 minutes ago

The real difference between you, and most of the people in our struggle is they haven't sold out

↥twinkle ↧stinkle reply permalink

You certainly have - though I suppose maybe not - as you seem just pleased as can be to serve the purposes of the 1%re's. Campaigning for them to get the public to continue opting out and just walk away so that they have no real resistance to their completing the roll-up of government. So in your case you have stayed faithful to your masters while trying to make out like your some sort of revolutionary here.

[-] 2 points by elf3 (3721) 2 years ago

None of the above...how about Revolution?

[-] -1 points by DKAtoday (33169) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Am I to take it by your comment that you don't mean a revolution at the poles?

[-] 4 points by elf3 (3721) 2 years ago

Yes.