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Forum Post: Is article 5 of the constitution the Heart to/of address?

Posted 2 years ago on Jan. 30, 2012, 12:06 p.m. EST by DKAtoday (22361) from Coon Rapids, MN
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I will be taking some time off to attend to my health for a bit. I will be checking in to see what is going on, but I will not be making any concerted efforts for awhile as I need some recovery time right now. The following are copies of comments I believe we should all look into and consider as a possible next phase to coordinated efforts. This also revolves around article 5.

These comments originate on my post: http://occupywallst.org/forum/petition-for-change-let-us-get-serious/

1 points by TruthRightsFreedom (46) 20 hours ago

Online petitions have no teeth. That .org does not define priorities. Meaning they are diluting our ability to define them and diverting us from effective methods that have the needed authority to create lawful and peaceful change.

Article V of the constitution is what will work.

At change.org I found 2 petitions that mentioned Article V. One had 60 of the target 1 million. If change.org does not put this one on its index page and promote it before all others, it is diluting the public capacity to engage methods that will actually create change. The causes of all petitions there might be met under a constitutional government created by the people with article V.

http://www.change.org/petitions/money-is-not-free-speach-and-corporations-do-not-have-the-same-rights-as-people http://www.change.org/petitions/support-gender-equality-pass-the-equal-right-amendment-three-state-strategy-hj-res-47 ↥like ↧dislike reply permalink What is really needed is forum software that impliments user opinions to sort the graphic environment so only the most valuable opinions, all chosen by users, are visible easily.

Here is one such proposal. It automatically creates a relevant hierarchy.

http://algoxy.com/poly/poll_to_post.html

Using that and direct democracy software, productivity will move many times faster than online petitions, be focused on priority and have veracity that is hard to find anywhere when dealing with many of the complex issues of the day.

1 points by TruthRightsFreedom (46) 18 hours ago

Let us coordinate with common sense and address the powerful

I agree completely and dymanically with each of your points. I've contacted them through their contact page.

http://helpdesk.change.org/anonymous_requests/new

My message.

Hello, So many causes on your front page represent issues largely defined by emotional reasoning, that those causes which might intrinsically provide not just answer to the specific cause found at change.org, but might prevent any similar problems in the future are buried in the mass.

Most causes concerning The United States of America can be addressed very well eventually by a constitutional government. If it could be proven to you that America has not had one of those for about 140 years, would you use your social outreach to address proposals for change that focus upon the fully lawful and peaceful methods available to create constitutional government for America?

It is proposed that 38 states conducting conventions for proposing amendments to the constitution under the authority of Article V, is the only sure method of creating constitutional government.

If all of the foregoing can be shown to be reasonable, will change.org use their website and outreach to help provide logical and reasonable focus for people working for the greater change?

Screen shot of the priority issue that they ignore.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/841/changeorg12912priority.jpg/

Screen shot of my request.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/812/changeorg12912request.jpg/

1 points by TruthRightsFreedom (46) 14 hours ago

Also, keep in mind that the most functional proposals for Article V propose preparatory amendment that removes the current stranglehold on the truth by media. Ends unlimited corporate finance of political campaigns and reforms the election systems.

Ending that stranglehold on the truth that media has could, . . . solve a great deal on its own. Just for this Article V is justified. Free speech is completely abridged in any meaningful way.

For example, we need the usenet back and .com dumped as the first level of internet. By our commercial activities we gain access. The usenet was as true a global village as we could make. None of the bad things of the last ten years would have been possible if the usenet was still in place as the American public paid for it to be. The is some strategy online developing this idea.

http://algoxy.com/ows/strategyofamerica.html

1 points by TruthRightsFreedom (46) 14 hours ago

It's all good, but limited. With constitutional government, we will find GATT and NAFTA can be rescinded because they are unconstitutional and created as part of the agenda of the current government colluding with multinational corporations. We will find that the federal reserve is taken over by the federal government and its abusive practices, only in favor of special interests, are ended. We will see the supreme court reformed and corporate personhood revoked.

At that point, the online petitions become valuable for deciding which corporations to grant privilages to, because we need them and they've shown true responsibility towards public interests. However, at that point the direct democracy proposals are the same thing but streamlined.

What is really needed is forum software that impliments user opinions to sort the graphic environment so only the most valuable opinions, all chosen by users, are visible easily.

Here is one such proposal. It automatically creates a relevant hierarchy.

http://algoxy.com/poly/poll_to_post.html

Using that and direct democracy software, productivity will move many times faster than online petitions, be focused on priority and have veracity that is hard to find anywhere when dealing with many of the complex issues of the day.

1 points by TruthRightsFreedom (46) 17 hours ago

A simple agreement pursuant to the highest law of the land, the constitution, in defense of it, will assure that a government sensitive to our needs is maintained without fail. How can any issue be cured with any real success, if the social system the people are in that suffer the problem is failing.

That one question/fact justifies a petition at change.org directed at change.org directing them, if change is what they want, to put article V and any petition, with priority towards having this, our first right (and last) fulfilled, permanently in their header, on every page, so it is seen by the most people, most often. Standing a better chance of fulfillment and then empowering the greater changes needed sooner.

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[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (22361) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

198,629 signatures so far for Bernie Sanders petition as of 9:03am central time 02/01/2012

http://sanders.enews.senate.gov/mail/util.cfm?mailaction=clickthru&gpiv=2100081904.557411.411&gen=1&mailing_linkid=34578

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (22248) 2 years ago

Feel better, DKAtoday.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (22361) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Thank you. Take care of yourself too.

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[-] 0 points by smartcapitalist (143) 2 years ago

Dude, prices of consumer goods do not track the income of the top 1% or even 10%. The price of consumer goods (and even inflation) typically tracks the average household income growth. Just because my earnings have increased 7-8 folds in the last 5 years, does not mean i will eat 8 times more burgers, or drink 8 times more coffee or wear 8 times more clothes (sure I will buy high end clothing). So prices of consumer good won't change because of the rich. Those depend fairly of the average income.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (22361) from Coon Rapids, MN 2 years ago

Occupy and 99% supporters. Take a look. Consider the information in the original post above ( power of article 5 ). Then consider the request to unite below as well.

Unite in common cause. Hate the things that are wrong in this world. Support each-other in making things right. This is where the healing will begin.

The Government of "The People" by "The People" for "The People"

We are the 99%. Take part in "The Peoples" Lobby.

Take action. See samples of how below.

198,313 signatures so far for Bernie Sanders petition as of 5:56pmm central time 01/31/2012

http://sanders.enews.senate.gov/mail/util.cfm?mailaction=clickthru&gpiv=2100081904.557411.411&gen=1&mailing_linkid=34578

The petition to save abandoned houses has 16 signatures. We picked one up at around 11:07am 01/16/2012. Were just rolling right along.

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/Savingpeople-savinghomes-payingdowntheNationaldeficit/

Here is a place where you can directly address change. Take part, it does not hurt and may very well heal/help. Forward the cause of reform and rebirth.

http://www.care2.com/go/z/e/Ag8nw/zL2Q/B18Bb

Sierra Club has some good things to take part in as well. Set-up and ready for you to take part in. http://sierraclub.org/