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Forum Post: conservatism and slavery

Posted 4 years ago on Oct. 14, 2016, 11:14 a.m. EST by agkaiser (2504) from Fredericksburg, TX
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Conservatism – the pseudo populist movement to preserve the status quo. More specifically, what exist are: systems of organization that govern communities and are designed to work the majority to produce wealth for the elite class of rulers. While the workers may be said to be free, because they are not bound to a particular employer and may vote for their choice of government representation whose duties have devolved to enforcing the relatively miserable conditions most of us live in, the implicit promise of upward mobility is largely unachievable. While we may join the owners in taking a greater share of the produce of the community, the proven probability of doing so is so small that it's literally impossible for most to ever succeed. That it's mathematically impossible is easily demonstrated. If one has 9 times the average of income and wealth of 10 people, then the other 9 have 1 average portion to share among them all.

That's the kind of status quo and freedom to exploit that conservatives wish to preserve and even make more repressive of the majority with tax cuts for the rich and wage and benefit cuts for the rest - to encourage the “job creators.” Disingenuous doesn't begin to describe their deceit. Tyrannical doesn't begin to describe their dehumanizing and impoverishing rule. Terrorist mentality doesn't begin to describe the threat their existence poses to the survival of the human race.

Conservatives are the same today as they've been since the beginning of civilization. The pharaohs, the caesars, the feudal lords, the Tudors, the English aristocracy and Tory traitors among us during and after the American Revolution, the slave owners of America and the 19th, 20th and 21rst century industrialists, capitalists, banksters and billionaires are all conservationists of the de-facto and de-juro systems of slavery that have afflicted humanity for ten thousand years.

Liberal - a conservative who wants to see better living conditions and treatment for the slaves.

Libertarian - a conservative who believes that less regulation of the masters will allow them to become one. Further: there's no necessity for most laws. Fraud will be eliminated by the rational agents operating in the market place. Prostitution and drug trafficking and use are victim-less. (There's no such thing as pimps, human traffickers, drug cartels or mafias or that our choices as consumers and unfettered competition will eliminate their threat.) The magic market, free of all government interference, is all we need to perfect the world we live in.

Such beliefs, of course, are beyond naive. They expose a complete lack of understanding of the world we live in. They assume possibilities for advancement that are mathematically impossible for all but a small percentage of the population. They ignore the reality that to take the place of a master doesn't expand the elite class or shrink the poverty such parasites create with their greed. It never enters their little minds that no matter how the work of others is organized to make one wealthy and no matter what it's called, it is in fact slavery.

So conservatives enslave us; liberals want decent treatment for the slaves, while conserving their personal advances (though willing to kickback a greater percentage than the outright cons) and libertarians think we can all be masters and nobody has to work as soon as we rid ourselves of all the protections we've fought in common, over the centuries, to create. (Perhaps the perpetrators of these frauds aren't as naive or stupid as the believers, though maybe they're both liars and fools.) Who is left to fight for us or even know there's a reason to fight?

Oh, conservative morons, that's what intelligent people call a rhetorical question. We know we must fight for ourselves. And unlike you we also know what's really in our best interest and that it's not what your conservative masters have programmed you to believe.



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[-] 2 points by beautifulworld (23464) 4 years ago

Neither Clinton or Trump will be good for America or the world. Voting for Jill Stein is the only viable option. Let the chips fall where they may.

And, we need a new term for "liberals" because too many consider themselves to be such, who are not. "Progressives" doesn't do the job either.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8294) from Phoenix, AZ 4 years ago

"let the chips fall where they may" so you are cool with Trump being POTUS?

It was thinking like that which delivered the WH to W Bush gave us the Iraq War and CU if those "chips" are cool with you I guess you got no regrets

[-] 3 points by beautifulworld (23464) 4 years ago

The undemocratic electoral college renders my vote meaningless as I live in a non-swing state. Clinton will win my state. So, I shall vote as I wish, which is the idea of democracy, is it not? I will vote for the candidate that has a platform I can believe in. I frankly, think we all should be free to vote as we wish. When we are bullied into voting for people we do not like, it is kinda no longer democracy imo.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8294) from Phoenix, AZ 4 years ago

So this "let the chips fall where they may" was just posturing?

I think words matter.

It is one thing to say I live in a solid "red" or "blue" state and I want to send a message with my vote, it is another to bemoan the Constitution and the formation of political parties, BTW I oppose a Constitutional Convention as I believe the rich would take it over and make things much worse, but there is a path we could take this system down but like with so many things we must set aside our egos to do it.

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (23464) 4 years ago

That's why we need you, factsrfun. To set the record straight.

In the end, neither Hillary Clinton nor Donald Trump are going to depose the corporate wankers that are running this country.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8294) from Phoenix, AZ 4 years ago

All things with time, Trump provides an opportunity to shatter one of the two great powers, have you heard how to eat an elephant? (one bite at a time)

If America moves in great numbers, for whatever reason each individual votes, if the effect is to dismember one of the two political parties then the unraveling can begin.

I have always held this is the way but to give power to the GOP as a means to achieve it, as many would do, is self-defeating.

To destroy the GOP it must split and we must not, we must stand behind the best option we have, and while far from perfect, yes wealth inequality will grow under her, but when do you see people beside myself talk about that even here?

We see it happening already with the wikileaks/Russian releases as the Dems grow they will split or change, Bernie has infected the mainstream and from within by taking over, that will be our shortest path, but even if the Dems split too either way the GOP must be killed first, as it has always been.

[-] 3 points by beautifulworld (23464) 4 years ago

Trump is not the guy I want to run the revolution. That is the problem. He has successfully tapped into the frustrations of Americans, but it's all wrong. He will work for corporations and the wealthy and leave the majority of Americans to live off crumbs but he has convinced his base that he will work for them. It's a lie.

I finally understand how it is that authoritarian/totalitarian governments rise up. We now see how easily it could happen here.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8294) from Phoenix, AZ 4 years ago

I hope that people will watch Trump and learn that we can not allow ANY Republican to win any office anywhere, we must ALL join the fight to stop them before its too late, ifs its not already too late.

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (23464) 4 years ago

100% of Congress and 1/3 of the Senate is up for election in 2018. What we need are Berniecrats!

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8294) from Phoenix, AZ 4 years ago

that won't happen unless people get involved in the Democratic Party (and take it over)

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (23464) 4 years ago

No, moving left is the way forward.

"Sorry, centrist liberals, the politics of Bernie Sanders and Jeremy Corbyn are the progressive path forward."


[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8294) from Phoenix, AZ 3 years ago

well the GOP's power has never been greater but if you can split the left they might be able to pick up a few more seats, you think that will make things better? and I am pretty sure Bernie Sanders is working to grow the Democratic Party.

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (23464) 3 years ago

Bernie's biggest mistake is sticking with the Democrats. They're not interested in unifying a true left. You still don't get that do you? You criticize Jill Stein for what? For having principles that she stands by? For not selling out to corporations?

[-] 0 points by factsrfun (8294) from Phoenix, AZ 3 years ago

I have seen Jill Stein in debates I criticize her for not knowing what the hell she's talking about, and I criticize her for helping to elect the GOP.

I don't know who this "they" is the question is what are YOU interested in doing? electing more Republicans? Because you're doing a great job of that.

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 4 years ago

Boys will be boys. Girls'll be girls. What does it matter? The song is true. - Was liegt daran? Das Lied ist wahr. My mom said, "I'll have a babysitter."

[-] 1 points by flip (7101) 4 years ago

maybe lizzie will primary hillary in 2020!

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8294) from Phoenix, AZ 4 years ago

maybe Trump will teach America how important it is to defeat Republicans

[-] 1 points by flip (7101) 4 years ago

maybe the dems will run a candidate that represents real change??

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8294) from Phoenix, AZ 4 years ago

depends on who votes in the primary I guess..

[-] 1 points by flip (7101) 4 years ago

or posibly who votes in the primaries will depend on who runs?

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8294) from Phoenix, AZ 4 years ago

Again that's determined by the people that get involved (in the Democratic Party).

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 4 years ago

Now we can all truly see where the heart of the Democratic Party was. It's no wonder that Dodd-Frank and Patient-Protection Affordable Care Act were messed up. Was this taking of easy money coming from the Change that we could all Believe in (but Not made real)?

To be unbiased, here comes the taxcut bamboozle for the Trumpsters to receive. Dumpster diving inside Trumpanzees' throats revealed abscesses but we all know that turkeys can drown themselves looking up to the raining sky in order to quench their thirst. "No pain! No pain! Just close your eyes and charge up the Matrix(the pebble is still here but the software must be changed)." "We are hard-working people, too busy to look under this sheet." "It's the Mexicans. It's the Canadians. It's the Fickgina but it's not yet, until it gets wet. It's Judge Mosqu-Ito. I'm ficken them All in their Pussies!" What isss it...?

It must be the new-and-improved, new-century version of the Deep Throat!

Cock-ad-oodle-doo! Hmm, where's the 雞-spot?

Doo, doo liegst mir im Herzen. Doo, doo liegst mir im Sinn.

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 4 years ago

Indeed, vote for Jill Stein.

For the out-of-touch Hillary, there is no god but herself The Goddess. Even the world-famous Feral Burro of Incontinence's famed piss could not reach Lilith sitting on top of her horny swine. She'll betray with more disastrous "free" trade deals and continue her career as a Wall Street stooge.

For Donald, he's into cutting taxes, especially the most significant inheritance tax and corporate taxes. Ronald Reagan tried these stupid things from the "Laffer Curve." None of them worked and sure enough in his later term he had to raise taxes. Idiots never learn, I suppose. All it was good for was a sarcastic laugh of the actor turned President. Reagan did the same damned thing previously as the Governor of California. Well, Alzheimer's disease was his defense. What's Donald's defense? "I have foot-in-mouth disease?" Turkeys look up at the sky for the rain to relieve their thirst and drown themselves drinking the pouring rain when it arrives.

What will the U.S. do about H-bomb soon-ICBM rogue North Korea, Iran, Russia, China, Yemen, Syria, Iraq, IS, Libya, Afghanistan/Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Israel, South Sudan, etc.? Our "ally" Pakistan was the one which fed the scary technologies to North Korea, Iran, and Libya. It had the first Islamic nuclear bomb through trickery and was willing to sell the technology. Afghanistan war is never ending because next-door Pakistan provides safe haven for our enemies. Guess which countries prop up Pakistan. Enemies are really not much worse than our "best" friends! It's time to get a dog.

What will generate domestic jobs? Trickle-down through tax cuts did not work for the previous "Make America Great Again" effort under Reagan. What did work was Paul Volcker's clamping down hard on inflation expectations to provide believable numbers in corporate balance sheets and unprecedented peacetime military spending.

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (23464) 4 years ago

Corporations will continue to run America under either a Clinton presidency or a Trump presidency. And, that is our biggest problem. Not whether Trump is a groper or Hillary is a liar. It's that we no longer live in a democracy.

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 4 years ago

Corporations are not necessarily our biggest problem. The corporate Takeover of our governments is actually our biggest problem. Corporations channel people and resources for both good and evil. As long as they live and die largely independent of our governments, things are fine. The hedge funds didn't run to our governments like the investment banks did. They DIED.

The ACA (Obamacare) is fast becoming a de-facto bailout of the medical-insurance industry.

The U.S. was and still is a republic. It masquerades as a people's democracy. Just look around the world for the so-called democratic people's republics. Were they and are they democratic at all? Anyone who wants to jump out of our frying pan should first check out these demoncrapic pimples' repugbrics before doing so. As DK calls me "sour g," my sourness is protective (at least it's not rotten yet - I'll trance the dancing maenads should that come to pass). A democratic people's republic has Harvard's motto: veritas, veritas, veritas, and also its credential: won uro 1€, too euros 2€, free uros 3€.

[-] 1 points by beautifulworld (23464) 4 years ago

If we lived in a democracy, Bernie Sanders would be President on November 8th. We live in an oligarchy/plutocracy/corporatocracy, maybe a republic.

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 4 years ago

My take is that we are living in a Retard-I-can't kleptocracy. We can keep on borrowing money to fund the eternal global civil war in Greater America but we can spare none to keep Lesser America from turning into Dust in the Wind. Are we being cursed by the magic mushroom?

...And this maiden "Annabel Lee" - by Edgar Allan Poe

 She lived with no other thought

 than to "love" and be "loved" by you.

"Grace" - by grapes

Through Grace was I begotten, may Grace lead me to Thine embrace,

To bask in the warm radiant glow, of Thy molten-copper face.

[-] 1 points by factsrfun (8294) from Phoenix, AZ 4 years ago

I realize there is no chance of Stein winning but then there is the "What if she did?" problem she knows nothing about what she is talking about.


[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 4 years ago

I'm Trumpian on this - one good woman is better than ten average men.

P.S. I mean the public performance With the 'l' in it.

[-] 1 points by grapes (5232) 4 years ago

She knows about cancelling student debts being important (to give the economy a fresh start to grow). She gets A+ for economics on this. In corporate circles, it's called "writing the debts off." They did it for Trump many times (how else could he who have failed so many times have still ended up as a "billionaire?"). They also did it for other (foreign) countries. What's wrong with doing it for our Own students?

Since we had let the horny swine and the flying 3€ Dumbo steal their future, the least that we could do is to cancel their debts (perhaps for the careers they could no longer have due to the one-sided "free" trade's outsourcing). It's just bankruptcy handling, okay?!

Why's the student debt interest rate so high compared to the vampire banksters' below 0.25% rate? Our 3€ government is making profits off of our students!

[-] 1 points by agkaiser (2504) from Fredericksburg, TX 4 years ago

Michael Hudson on the Biblical history of debt/sin and the coming dark age (if we don't put out the FIRE that's enslaving us and threatening our existence.


[-] 1 points by Shule (2638) 4 years ago

Good post. Truth is like it or not, as for us financial peons there will always be some oligarch ruling over us. Nevertheless there is some hope in that we do have some (little) say as to which one. To that end if we the people play are cards right, we may find a oligarch a bit benovolent.

[-] 1 points by agkaiser (2504) from Fredericksburg, TX 4 years ago

It never enters their little minds that no matter how the work of others is organized to make one wealthy and no matter what it's called, it is in fact slavery.

All of them talk of freedom. Libertarians imply their love of it in their name. What liberties do they call for? Freedom for pimps, drug dealers and con artists are what I've heard them say. The freedom to have others work for them to make them rich at the lowest possible wage and with the least liberty for the workers is an ideal they share with the conservatives. The liberals do want to pay us and treat us a little better, as well as facilitate education and so upward mobility. So the latter are somewhat less corporatist [read fascist] than the other two. All three support the division of labor and increase of wealth that has threatened the existence of the human race since the dawn of civilization 10,000 years ago.

[-] 1 points by ImNotMe (1488) 4 years ago

''Dangerous idiots: how the liberal media elite failed working-class Americans'' ...

''Trump supporters are not the caricatures journalists depict – and native Kansan Sarah Smarsh - sets out to correct what newsrooms get wrong.''

omnia causa fiunt ...

[-] 1 points by agkaiser (2504) from Fredericksburg, TX 4 years ago

Don't take me wrong. I'd rather see liberals than the more immediately deadly kind of conservative alternatives. Not to say I have much respect for them, especially libercons like Bill and Hill.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (33802) from Coon Rapids, MN 4 years ago


USA gov gonna cyber attack Russia faux democracy because Russia outed USA faux democracy.