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Forum Post: Congress just destroyed the Constitution...

Posted 2 years ago on Dec. 2, 2011, 2:34 p.m. EST by Vooter (441)
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...but you don't hear a peep from the trolls, because they either don't know or they don't care. They've got their TV, their booze, and their full slate of NFL games, so although they like to say how much they "love" the U.S. constitution, they really just don't give a shit. If they did, they'd be marching on DC right now (which for some reason they always encourage the already-protesting people at OWS to do), but of course...THEY'RE NOT.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/01/military-detention-us-citizens_n_1124534.html

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[-] 3 points by PandoraK (1678) 2 years ago

Makes for a darned good reason to vote 'em out doesn't it?

It's not a 'done deal' yet, but it's still a good reason to fire 'em.

[-] 2 points by Vooter (441) 2 years ago

I think it's a good reason to fire ON them....

[-] 0 points by TIOUAISE (2526) 2 years ago

""Vooter", with an estimated 270,000,000 firearms in America, it's very easy to start shooting - the tricky part is knowing HOW TO STOP.

Do YOU have an answer to that question: how do we stop once we've started?

I for one am TOTALLY AND UNEQUIVOCALLY committed to non-violent action.

[-] 2 points by Idaltu (662) 2 years ago

And I am committed to making sure you maintain your constitutional rights with whatever means is necessary. There are no limits on this commitment and I know damn well there are others out there that have the same commitment.

[-] 0 points by MVSN (768) from Stockton, CA 2 years ago

Well said.

[-] 0 points by TIOUAISE (2526) 2 years ago

And....? Should we assume that you don't mind plunging this country into CIVIL WAR and MARTIAL LAW?

As I said to "Vooter", "it's very easy to start shooting - the tricky part is knowing HOW TO STOP." And "Vooter" hasn't explained how he plans to do that.

[-] 1 points by grapes (3261) 2 years ago

It will stop as it had always stopped in history - when annihilation of one or both sides had occurred, until both sides got so sick of it and saw it in their own interest to give up the conflicts, or great external force made the two sides see their interest in giving up. The U.S. had had frontier justice before it had its judicial justice system so no one in the U.S. needs to worry about not having justice.

[-] 0 points by TIOUAISE (2526) 2 years ago

"grapes" , I hope you're not saying what I think you're saying, i.e. that you and "Vooter" and "Idaltu" are all in favor of a Wild-West-shoot-em-up type of solution to our national problems... that is, until "both sides get sick of it".

Either you three are TROLLS of the well-known "AGENT PROVOCATEUR" variety.... or you are stark raving MAD.

Whichever it may be, GOOD DAY, "gentlemen".

[-] 1 points by grapes (3261) 2 years ago

I am not advocating Wild-West-shoot-em-up type of solution to our national problems. I am just bringing up historical observations and thinking out aloud. I know how bad things can get so we may have to live with frontier justice eventually but that does not scare me because I know that justice (in whatever form) will ultimately prevail.

[-] 2 points by Socrates469bc (608) from New York, NY 2 years ago

Calling All Armed Forces Personnel:

The Senate has granted you the authority to arrest and indefinitely detain all members of Congress and send them to Guantanamo Bay.

Please arrest all members of Congress and send them to Guantanamo indefinitely!

Admiral John McCain and his chief Pooh Bah Levine will lead us soon!

[-] 2 points by ropeknot (359) 2 years ago

Vooter , you have my guns by your side on this one !

Too bad we have so many people not willing to die for their country as our forefathers did when they wrote the constitution !

This is what we get for protesting ; It sure looks like protesting is doing the job , huh ?

Now I will probably go to jail indefinitely for what I've said , and without a trial !

If they come to do this to me, I'll fight my own war to my death, with no one standing by my side, rather than have all those who fought and died for the constitution have died in vain 'cause all the people had the guts to do is protest !!!

[-] 2 points by Coriolanus (272) 2 years ago

Congress has been destroying the Constitution for decades. This is just one more nail in the coffin.

[-] 1 points by hchc (3297) from Tampa, FL 2 years ago

The destruction of the USA continues

[-] 1 points by ithink (761) from York, PA 2 years ago

So what I would really like to know about this is how can it be abused? .. Could military start arresting protesters if someone said they were affiliated with terrorists?

[-] 1 points by RufusJFisk52 (259) 2 years ago

lets see, what if i out loud said i support al qeada? could i now disappear and never be seen again? YES, and no lawyer or judge could do anything to help me. Fuck these assholes. i only wish their was a hell for them to burn in

[-] 1 points by PeoplehaveDNA (305) 2 years ago

99.99 percent of American do not have associations with that group or associated groups. Why is there a bill that suspends all Americans constitutional rights for a .01 percent of the population. And I am pretty sure that .01 percent of the population is a grossly exaggerated number. What is going on her I though we were winning the war on terror they are acting like we have had dozens of 9/11's.

[-] 1 points by shoozTroll (17632) 2 years ago

And it's not the first time either.

It's getting to be like the end of the World.

[-] 1 points by DusanfromSerbia (34) from Београд, Централна Србија 2 years ago

go to Washington, first get rid of that scam of president you got, cause he is the tool for making ww3, make a crowd of MILLION people in front of the White House, make the crowd in front of it, pleeeease

[-] 1 points by JoeTheFarmer (2654) 2 years ago

Actually the amendment was blocked in the Senate last night by Senators Paul, UDall, and Feinstien.

http://paul.senate.gov/?p=press_release&id=399

[-] 0 points by mookie (38) 2 years ago

The bill still made it through, although king Obama can Veto it.

The stealthy amendment that got voted down was even worse.

"Senator Rand Paul blocked passage of an amendment that would have allowed the government to indefinitely detain American citizens until Congress declares the War on Terror to be over. These Americans would be detained even if they were tried and found not guilty. An attempt was made to pass Amendment No. 1274 to the National Defense Authorization Act (S. 1867) by voice vote, but Senator Paul’s objection and request for a roll call vote ultimately led to the bill’s defeat by a final vote of 41-59." http://www.campaignforliberty.org/profile/7786/blog/2011/12/02/press-release-c4l-stands-rand

[-] 2 points by nucleus (3291) 2 years ago

FALSE

Paul blocked Amendment 1274, "To clarify the disposition under the law of war of persons detained by the Armed Forces of the United States pursuant to the Authorization for Use of Military Force."

(see http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d112:SP1274:)

The bill as passed would deny suspected terrorists, even U.S. citizens, the right to trial and subject them to indefinite detention.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 2 years ago

Oooooh. Smack down.

[-] 1 points by 99time (90) 2 years ago

This is one of many amendments. This amendment would have CLARIFIED that indefinite detention is allowed -- or perhaps even required -- after an acquittal at trial.

Since this amendment failed, we cannot be sure whether post-acquittal indefinite detention of a citizen on US land is permitted or not. The controversy just hangs there until some future date when it is actually tried. And it will be tried. If this amendment had passed, it might be possible to sue the government with a facial challenge of the law. Now, it will not be.

Here is the vote by parties:

Ayes: 41 (Democrat: 2; Republican: 38; Other: 1)

Nays: 59 (Democrat: 49; Republican: 9; Other: 1)

http://www.opencongress.org/vote/2011/s/217

[-] 0 points by JoeTheFarmer (2654) 2 years ago

The bill made it through without the offensive amendment.

[-] 1 points by aahpat (1407) 2 years ago

Revolting Americans

Revolting Americans incite government oppression.

The government does not like revolting Americans.

If you are revolting your government will get you.

(add your own revolting line American)

[-] 1 points by grapes (3261) 2 years ago

Whoa! Is the U.S. Senate out of its mind? Do the Senators know the U.S. Constitution? I am under the impression that many Senators and Congressional Representatives are attorneys at law who should know how to read. Am I badly mistaken in that belief?

Do people suspect that the U.S. Congress may have been infiltrated by vast number of terrorists? Citizens may need to arrest the suspected terrorists themselves or send in the military forces to detain the members indefinitely for further investigation into suspected conspiracy to trod the U.S. Constitution under.

The U.S. was ingenious in inventing the new-and-improved domestic (valid under U.S. jurisdiction) citizenship as opposed to the national (valid worldwide) citizenship. I think that the U.S. is now on the verge of another great invention called the non-suspect citizenship. Will our Commander-in-Chief, Obama, "suspect" our legislative branch's and judicial branch's members?

[-] 1 points by FrogWithWings (1367) 2 years ago

the Senate did that, obama can veto it, he won't

[-] 1 points by NeedsaChange (4) from Waterbury, CT 2 years ago

There is a petition to for the President to Veto on Change.org

[-] 1 points by pumpkin (43) 2 years ago

For the time being- and until the people of the world- regain there freedom. i would suggest that you encrypt your computer & communicate on the internet in a way no one can find your location and your identity can't be traced- free software on training web page under security. ++training web page http://tinyurl.com/7rvpv43

[-] 1 points by ropeknot (359) 2 years ago

Thank you !!!

[-] 1 points by theCheat (85) 2 years ago

this is what the Supreme Court is for.

[-] 1 points by Socrates469bc (608) from New York, NY 2 years ago

Yes, fortunately we have the Supreme Court. But wasnt' that the court that gave birth to human corporations? Yes, luckily we have that Supreme Court.

[-] 1 points by nucleus (3291) 2 years ago

You mean the Supreme Court that decided that money is speech?

[-] 1 points by nucleus (3291) 2 years ago

Not yet, but they are close.

Passed by the senate, still has to go through the house and then get signed by BO. Judging by the senate vote (93-7), they could very well override a presidential veto.

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

Sixth Amendment –

Trial by jury and rights of the accused; Confrontation Clause, speedy trial, public trial, right to counsel

.

In all criminal prosecutions,

the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial,

by an impartial jury of the State and district

wherein the crime shall have been committed,

which district shall have been previously ascertained by law,

and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation;

to be confronted with the witnesses against him;

to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses

in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defense.

[-] 2 points by Vooter (441) 2 years ago

And now it's all gone! How do you like that?

[-] 2 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

should go to the supreme court

[-] 2 points by Vooter (441) 2 years ago

LOL...who do you think they're going to side with?

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

the oppressed

[-] 1 points by Vooter (441) 2 years ago

This Supreme Court?!? Are you insane?

[-] 1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 2 years ago

the law is clear

[-] 0 points by MVSN (768) from Stockton, CA 2 years ago

The Constitution was destroyed a long time ago.

[-] 0 points by newjustice2 (50) 2 years ago

‘Indefinite Detention’ Bill Passes Senate 93-7

there are 93 traders in the senate which are mostly held by the dems and need to be kick out

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