Forum Post: Congratulations
Posted 13 years ago on Oct. 16, 2011, 11:16 p.m. EST by looselyhuman
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To those of you signing a petition against our allies:
What do you think "progressive" means? Hint, it's about the 99% It's the idea that society should benefit everyone, not just the wealthy.
MoveOn supports Obama, but not unconditionally. They've been pressuring him on many of the very issues we have, and he's as much a disappointment to their millions of members as he is to us. The question is, what's the alternative?
Mitt Romney, as I saw being spun as a progressive on this very forum today? If progressive means defending the idea that corporations are people and in general, supporting policies that benefit only the 1%... If the Reagan-worshipping GOP seems more progressive to you than Obama, you've already lost.
He's a failure and a sellout, but on every point he's either been compromising or trying to outmanuever a very regressive set of opponents in the Republican party you're all implicitly supporting.
Yes, he is close to Wall St. Every fucking politician is in the pocket of Wall St, but some at least have other constituencies that force minor differences in policy from what the 1% demand of them. Until we fundamentally change the system, that's what we have to work with. Romney has the same backers, but no progressive base demanding he do anything against the interests of the oligarchs.
So, to be even more clear: You are being led into supporting Mitt Romney, period. Ron Paul CANNOT win the nomination. You're being so irrevocably turned against Obama that the only person who will benefit is the Republican nominee, and that WILL BE ROMNEY. Why not just come out and say "I support Mitt Romney?" That's what the trolls you're following have been demanding of us all with regards to Obama, so I lay it down in reverse:
How is OWS not just about getting Mitt Romney elected?
Tools.
Congratulations on being turned around and used against your own interests
Non-partisan my ass.
I support none of the current candidates. Instead of playing this mickey mouse game of who to support. You just force all of congress and the president, who ever that may be at the time to listen to you...... You know like they are suppose to do.
If you cant control the congress AND the president then their is no sense in worrying about who is who because they all do whatever they want when they get office and even having a president that does what we want is completely useless.
Do people really not understand how our govt works?
Yep. Glad you came back?
Indeed.
I want to see some people admit they support Mitt Romney. Seems only fair.
I think what is happening is that we are struggling with the concept and potential conflict of potential image and arguing that may take place giving we start accepting support from ANY organization... further it's unnecessary.. why is it important? I believe most here like & agree with moveon.org... I do.. we have many many similar goals ... but this thing is about the 99%... and consensus building...
it would be so much similar for ALL concerned if we simply only formally accept support from individuals... no ?
similar post; http://occupywallst.org/forum/formally-demand-that-moveonorg-leave/
Further. as far as I am concerned the petition is unnecessary, sloppy, abusive and a waste of time...
here's an attempt at consensus statement on this general topic...
I don't think you have much to worry about from a petition with 20 signatures that is in no way "official" or speaking for every occupier and occupy group that is out there.
I think OWS needs to stay away from being for or against any one candidate, that's all a personal choice.
Moveon can support us, we don't have to "support" them.
They should stand beside OWS, but not absorb or co-opt the message.
I see too many lefties bending over backwards to be non-partisan and the righties and libertarians walking all over us. This petition is just the latest example.
Well, people like me are pretty pissed at Obama. I no longer believe the Democratic Party represents me.
The health care law sucks and is going to make my life much more difficult, you have guys like Chuckie Shumer proposing a biometric national ID card, I mean WTF?
More Obama: Going back on his promise to leave dispensaries alone. Continuing the Bush national security nightmare. Sucking on civil liberties. Being in bed with Wall St.
Just where is he progressive? The health care plan is Mitt Romney's health care plan. I don't see much difference between him & Romney. NEITHER is progressive.
Obama's appointments - Elena Kagan? Janet Napolitano? Jeffrey Imelt? Mediocre bureaucrats, corporate fatcats and wall street shills. Where are all the bright, progressive minds he could be using instead?
I see OWS as a chance to get some REAL leftist ideas out there on the table. I don't want to see it co-opted by the same ole bunch of pussified democrats.
I didn't sign the petition though. I think MoveOn has every right to support us. They shouldn't act like they speak for us, but I didn't sign the petition.
Fine, I'm all for that, pressuring and demanding real change.
But, again, the way it's playing out right now, it seems like we're virtually guaranteeing Romney a win. If this whole movement is just unhinged anti-Obama, it's over. We get nothing. White House sees us as enemies between now and 2012, no changes happen, Romney's elected, and it's over.
Is that what you want? I fucking hate him too, feel personally, deeply betrayed. I would do just about anything to have a real alternative. But Romney would be worse. It might feel good for a few moments to just see Obama lose, but then the reality would be a new horror show in the form of a Republican administration.
This movement seeks to uproot corporate influence from all of politics, independent of political parties. What are you blabbering about...?
Thanks for verifying that it is an Obama organization. Please tell any of those who till don't see it yet okay?
I am a registered Dem, but voting for a candidate who has lied to me and sold me out is never in my best interest.
Get up off your knees and find your self respect. Nothing will change so long as people who use and abuse you can count on your vote.
So its a political movement when everyone was saying it wasnt?
What do you think politicking against MoveOn and Obama is, if not politics?