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Forum Post: complain about the police all you want

Posted 10 years ago on Dec. 3, 2011, 4:14 p.m. EST by theCheat (85)
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But keep this in mind; the same person who you claim " brutally pepper sprayed" someone is the same person who will try to save your life if someone starts shooting at you. If that happens will you have the decency to thank them?



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[-] 3 points by GirlFriday (17435) 10 years ago

For the most part, people are quite aware that the police have a job to do. Hence, non-violence. There are those that insist that there must be a division. What I find humorous about this is that the people that insist on this division, those "stand-up-'Mericans" -will turn around and stab them in the back by destroying their jobs and their pensions.

So, are you going to remember that they put their lives on the line for YOU when deciding whom is to be laid off and what retirement benefits are available? Are you going to have the decency to thank them?

[-] -1 points by theCheat (85) 10 years ago

Like it or not, no job is safe nor should it be.

[-] 3 points by GirlFriday (17435) 10 years ago

Then you have not one shred of decency and your words are meaningless here.

[-] -1 points by theCheat (85) 10 years ago

You are young and stupid. If the people, tax payers, can no longer afford the services, who will make the p ayroll? Cut backs happen, always have and always will. I appreciate the police far more than you, but I am also a realist while you still want a pony and believe in unicorns.

[-] 1 points by FrogWithWings (1367) 10 years ago

Excuse me, but those private "renta cops" are paid 100K PLUS/year out of those students tuition. Now that's funny! Sad, but funny.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 10 years ago

Could you rephrase this: makemthenpayroll?

Cutbacks puts their lives in danger as well as jeopardizes public safety. Everybody goes home at night, amiright? No where in the books does it say that they are hired to die. Thus far, all people that have worked for the public have been willing to make sacrifices but at this point also need to see those sacrifices by those at the top.

What is unrealistic is that you wish to use them, here and now, as a weapon and a shield because it suits you. You do not have a shred of decency.

[-] 1 points by theCheat (85) 10 years ago

so if the city or state is broke, who will fund the payroll? More taxes is always the answer for you, but why not cutbacks or maybe expect some contribution from the employee, you know, like non government employees do? Would you be willing to take a 10% or 20% paycut to keep a co worker employed, no matter how much it hurts your personal financial well being?

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 10 years ago

The cuts and the pay freezes have already happened and have been ongoing for the past decade. Those that work for the public have repeatedly made concessions, have they not?

Do not pretend that it hasn't. Do not lie. Yes, it is time to raise the taxes for those at the top and to rethink where the public money is spent. This means that your going to need to go in and rethink how not for profits are profiting and what qualifies as tax exempt. What you fail to realize is that we-the-people pay taxes for our society AND we-the-people continue to cover the taxes not paid by many that are considered not for profit to provide services that we-the-people must pay more for or do without.

[-] 1 points by theCheat (85) 10 years ago

I do not disagree with you at all regarding not for profits needing to pick up some ofnthentab, but mostly I would say it isnthr churches that are the biggest offenders ans I am a Christian. What I do not like from the public sector employees is the sense of entitlement that they have, as if the taxpayer owes them something.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 10 years ago

I have never met one with a sense of entitlement. I have met many that have been forced to do more with less within their jobs as well as take cuts in pay. I have met many that have had to combat what is printed in the papers. Someone runs for office and/or campaigns on the dastardly deeds of the public sector workers and the public does not do the research.

Consider Wisconsin. The public bought the lie that the "tax payers" were funding the pensions. However, it was actually deferred payment and the money was taken out of the employees check.

I do not mind the churches so much as the hospitals that are religiously aligned or "charities" (especially those that receive funding at the federal, state and local levels) or those that are tax exempt because they are classified "education" like testing companies etc.

[-] 1 points by FrogWithWings (1367) 10 years ago

Did you wimper and weep yourself to sleep last night missing me?

I know you did.

How are you today?

[-] 1 points by dreamingforward (394) from Gothenburg, NE 10 years ago

You seem to miss the point. The occupiers are putting their own safety on the line too -- against those who would like to keep the system as it is. Will you thank them when they save your f'ing planet?

[-] 1 points by FrogWithWings (1367) 10 years ago

Have you ever been "shot at"? Have you ever been shot? Have you ever shot anyone?

It's been many, many years since I remotely entertained the notion of the police being there for my protection.

Are you telling me that people actually exist that still do?

[-] 1 points by Daennera (765) from Griffith, IN 10 years ago

In general people are idiots. So to answer your question, yes they do.

[-] 1 points by ProAntiState (43) 10 years ago

Warren v. District of Columbia

By a 4-3 decision the court decided that Warren was not entitled to remedy at the bar despite the demonstrable abuse and ineptitude on the part of the police because no special relationship existed. The court stated that official police personnel and the government employing them owe no duty to victims of criminal acts and thus are not liable for a failure to provide adequate police protection unless a special relationship exists.


Police are not required to protect you

[-] 1 points by barb (835) 10 years ago

If they not required to protect me then what possible reason do we need them for?

[-] 1 points by jacksonme (17) 10 years ago

yes in the present police state, police are not required to protect the us citizens. they protect the interests of the rich and greedy.+++ nut there use to be a time, when they were to serve and protect-- training web page http://tinyurl.com/7rvpv43

[-] 1 points by FrogWithWings (1367) 10 years ago

They protect the interest and fraudulently claimed rights of the Incorporated United States Government against the mere privileges it doles out to The People, of which it owns.

Look down the left side of the linked page, most would like to think this is how government, law and justice should be.


Reality is down the right side.

"protect and serve" as well as the American Flag came off most police officers cars and uniforms starting in 1993. Do you know why? Look around, you won't see either, anywhere. As a matter of fact, look at the military's uniforms.

[-] 0 points by alouis (1511) from New York, NY 10 years ago

NYPD Tapes 3: A Detective Comes Forward About Downgraded Sexual Assaults When even attempted rapes are being downgraded to misdemeanors, is the public safe? http://www.villagevoice.com/2010-06-08/news/nypd-tapes-3-detective-comes-forward-downgrading-rape/1/ As a result of The Village Voice releasing audiotapes that capture NYPD superior officers encouraging street cops to manipulate crime statistics by downgrading crimes and intimidating crime victims, numerous current and former police officers have come forward to tell their own tales of questionable NYPD practices. (See "The NYPD Tapes: Inside Bed-Stuy's 81st Precinct" from May 5, 2010 and "The NYPD Tapes, Part 2" from May 12, 2010.)

Photo illustration by Chad Griffith

Details NYPD Tapes: The Series The NYPD Tapes Part 1: Inside Bed-Stuy's 81st Precinct The NYPD Tapes, Part 2 Bed-Stuy street cops ordered: Turn this place into a ghost town Follow continuing coverage of the NYPD Tapes here at our Runnin' Scared blog. Related Content Motorcycle Crackdown in Northern Manhattan July 7, 2011 Stop-and-Frisk Protesters Protest Stop-and-Frisk December 2, 2011 Bloomberg Claims NYPD "7th Biggest Army in World" ... Um, That's Totally Wrong November 30, 2011 Eterno and Silverman, Criminologists, Say NYPD's Crime Stat Manipulation A Factor In Recent Corruption Scandals November 29, 2011 Airspace Over Zuccotti Wasn't Closed During Raid -- At Least, Not Officially By NYPD November 22, 2011 More About New York City Police DepartmentHarold HernandezDaryl ThomasTrialsCriminal Trials But none is more alarming than the story being made public by retired NYPD Detective First Grade Harold Hernandez.

Responding to the ongoing Voice series "NYPD Tapes," Hernandez reveals publicly for the first time that the downgrading of crimes to manipulate statistics allowed a man to commit six sexual assaults in a Washington Heights neighborhood in 2002 before he was finally caught after his seventh attack.

The initial six crimes, committed over a two-month period, went unnoticed by 33rd Precinct detectives, Hernandez says, because patrol supervisors had improperly labeled most of them as misdemeanors. It was only through a lucky break—an alert neighbor spotted the suspect pushing his seventh victim into her apartment—that the rapist, Daryl Thomas, was finally captured.

[-] 1 points by theCheat (85) 10 years ago

But they will and you know it.

[-] 0 points by alouis (1511) from New York, NY 10 years ago

And often they do not.

Update: Thanks to the hundreds of emails sent by Change.org members and action taken by advocates and concerned police officers themselves, the NYPD has accepted six recommendations from a special sex crimes task force to improve how it deals with rape.

In February, journalist Debbie Nathan was sexually assaulted in a New York City park. She immediately reported the incident to the police, who took the report, but purposefully and wrongly classified the assault as a misdemeanor. It was only after Nathan protested to the Manhattan District Attorney, who did his own investigation, that the incident was reclassified as a felony. According to the Huffington Post, "the six officers who responded to Nathan's attack admitted leaving key portions of her story out of the report."

Why would they leave out key portions of her story?

An investigative report by the Village Voice uncovered nothing short of a scandal. A series of articles exposed the New York Police Department's practice of consistently "undercharging" crimes in an effort to meet "performance measurements" (quotas are illegal) and make crime statistics appear more palatable. The manipulation of statistics was caught on tapes in which NYPD higher-ups can be heard telling street cops to downgrade crimes or simply not to report particular crimes at all.

Numerous courageous police officers have come forward to tell their tales of questionable police policies, such as retired detective Harry Hernandez, who details a harrowing account of police misconduct related to serial rapist Daryl Thomas. While NYC sexual assault prevention groups say that the issue of under-reporting and undercharging of crimes has been a "growing problem" over the last two years, these "shady police policies," writes Alex DiBranco on the Women's Rights blog, had particularly devastating consequences when Thomas was able to sexually assault six different women in a single neighborhood over a period of two months. He was on his way to a seventh when a "lucky break" fueled his capture by police. The brutal spree should have triggered alarm bells, but went unnoticed for so long because the NYPD kept downgrading the assaults to "criminal trespassing."

In other words, until exposed through a series of recordings as well as an FBI report, New York City police officers had been covering up sex crimes with the full knowledge and even the direction of their superiors. In fact, it seems likely it's still happening.

Change.org member Jaclyn Munson isn't willing to sit by and wait for the NYPD to take action voluntarily -- or not. She's created a Change.org petition to collectively raise our voices and demand change in the way sex crime statistics are handled by the NYPD.

Manhattan District Attorney Cyrus Vance, Jr. campaigned on an unfulfilled "promise" to release accurate and detailed sex crime statistics. Mayor Michael Bloomberg has is directing NYPD Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly to investigate the corruption in his own department.

Do we take the Mayor, the Police Commissioner, and the DA at their words? Even while the cover-ups still seem to be occurring? It's clear that Bloomberg, Vance, and Kelly need strong encouragement to take immediate action to stop the downgrading and under-reporting of sex crimes in NYC. Honest reporting of crime statistics paints a realistic assessment of risk for women -- not false numbers and "juked stats." Join fellow Change.org member Jaclyn Munson and tell the NYPD that rape is a serious crime.

[-] 1 points by hamalmang (722) from Lebanon, PA 10 years ago

They also used clubs to attack peaceful women. They also slammed people's heads off of the street. They follow orders to protect property. They have no obligation to save any human being from a bullet.

If they did save me from a bullet or just plain treated me with the dignity I deserve as a human being of course I would thank them.