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Forum Post: Community Action: guns, parenting and mental health issues

Posted 1 year ago on April 9, 2013, 4:14 p.m. EST by RoccoXXX (8)
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As a hunter and person who lives in a rural area I have use for a gun for hunting and protection. However, neither of these activities require a semi-automatic weapon. I am completely in favor of 1. registered gun ownership of all weapons (including background check) and 2. a total ban on all semi automatic weapons. Now with that said I must add that neither of these ideas will solve the kind of problem that occurred in Connecticut. However it will at least reduce the probability that future acts of violence will not rise to the level as seen in the carnage in Connecticut. The problem is not just the availability of people killing weapons. It is a problem of our lack of social systems that actually work towards the betterment of all individuals within all communities.

In the early 70s Comprehensive Community Mental Health Care was established as a means towards creating a system whereby those in need could receive services paid for by the community itself. Unfortunately as the Federal Government began withdrawing its share of the funding, State and Counties dropped many of the programs. What is really needed is a social system initiated in every community across the country that is constructed to aid communities in helping each member move forward in social evolution. As an example developing activities that include all citizens which focus on family and community mental health. This could be something as simple as monthly block parties in which people get to know their neighbors and also a time where parents needing some help or advise can get it before home problems become insurmountable. The point is moving towards social evolution and an integration of every member of the community: neighborhood guilds. It would allow for more observation of possible community problems before they become catastrophic.

Individuals who are on the fringes of normal social interaction could at least have an opportunity to find a way to become an integral part of the community. The neighborhood guild can be designed to insure that all members within the neighborhood have the opportunity to achieve a positive sense of self worth and a sense of community pride.

There is nothing new about this idea and in fact is the basis of such programs as the Boys and Girls Clubs of America. The problem is that these programs are much to broad. They can be initiated, using volunteers within each neighborhood of every community across the country.

Update: Deal reached on background checks! YEAH!

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2013/04/background_checks_for_gun_buye.html

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[-] 0 points by shooz (17791) 1 year ago

http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20130410/POLITICS03/304100365#ixzz2Q2aD36zx

At least somebody is trying.

Will you support her?

[-] 0 points by RoccoXXX (8) 1 year ago

Absolutely! That is the very essence of the problem.. Thanks for the link.

[-] 0 points by shooz (17791) 1 year ago

I'm sure she looks forward to you calling your representatives and stating your backing of this legislation.

[-] -1 points by redandbluestripedpill (333) 1 year ago

Uh, what about courts that will allow mental health?

I found this link in searching mental health here on ows. Since I've read what courts are capable of in this area, I can't advocate any gun control until mental health care is capable of dealing with the problem.

Right, then we won't need governmental gun control, just like the constitution says.

http://algoxy.com/law

Secret changes to district court rules to prevent mental health. Collusion between the supreme court, federal court, appellate court, state superior court to destroy one citizen working for the best mental health care possible and prevent law from making a municipality follow law. It's mind boggling because the guy in pro per, actually did a few important things right.

This is our record of gaucheries of the court that usurp the constitution folks. Either you know what that means or you don't

Major freedom of press and free speech rights violation regarding optimized mental health care show that the infiltrated gov does not want us to actually be able to treat serious mental problems of any kind.

WHY? Because secrecy depends on society not knowing of the possible abuses of working direct with the unconscious mind, and of course this prevents the development of any treatments or protections.

[-] -1 points by RoccoXXX (8) 1 year ago

There are many factors standing in the way of 'community' mental health care. One of them is the professional community involved in private practice. Mental health care is a growing cottage industry and relies on 3rd party payers for payment of treatment. Having 'community' mental health care available detracts from their business.

The social system itself needs to evolve. That is, mental health treatment should include concern for the community as well as the individual. This means PREVENTION programs as well as treatment. And prevention is the major lack in all the social systems.

[-] 3 points by shooz (17791) 1 year ago

How will neoplexia be treated in your utopian community?

[-] 3 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

It won't be treated. This is all about making sure that this conversation takes place without pointing out any of the inconvenient truths. Now, stop with your decisiveness. :D

[-] 2 points by shooz (17791) 1 year ago

Well, I suppose it wouldn't help to point out that the party who shall not be named {(R)epelican'ts} dismantled anything that even vaguely resembled community mental heath facilities decades ago, and now people are shooting each other all over the place.

Oh well.

I mostly wanted him to look up pleonexia anyway.........................:)

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Ooooh, don't say those things.

[-] 3 points by shooz (17791) 1 year ago

The truth does go down pretty hard around here these days.

I never did get the chance to ask him who we should TAX to pay for it.

[-] 2 points by DKAtoday (34975) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

The aggressors? Fossil Fuel Industry and lackeys.

[-] 3 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (24560) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 minute ago

Amway - Huh.

Hey did you know that if you earned enough points on their pyramid scheme - um sorry - program - that you could win a personal jet? ↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink


lol Is that how that works?

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (34975) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Suuuurrrre - easy peasy.

[-] 3 points by shooz (17791) 1 year ago

You mean like threatening reporters with arrest??

http://www.motherjones.com/blue-marble/2013/04/reporters-say-exxon-impeding-spill-coverage-arkansas

Every image I've seen escape from them is worse than the last.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (34975) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

They will do what they can and what they are allowed to do ( besides ) to keep the public uninformed.

[-] 2 points by shooz (17791) 1 year ago

I gotta laugh. It's even a no fly zone.

They make it sound like it's a zombie movie.

Maybe we can get a shot from the space station.........LOL

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (34975) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

BTW - Tweeted:

Anyone wonder why Exxon is allowed to have a no fly zone at the Arkansas spill site - no reporters allowed in to the residential area?

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (34975) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

I know - how insane is that? A no fly zone. How bad are those fuckers hurting in the keeping opposition to their schemes down???? when they have to go to making a restricted area out of a residential spill site.

[-] 2 points by shooz (17791) 1 year ago

They have to give those paper towels time to do their job, before they can allow a photo op.

After all, it's their oil and they feel they also own the reflected photons.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (34975) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Ya know??? It makes me wonder if they are not so much removing the spill as maybe they are sneaking in the use of that nasty toxic dispersant that was used in the gulf.

[-] 3 points by shooz (17791) 1 year ago

As the stuff that makes it dilbit evaporates, and it does evaporate, it sinks like the tarry sludge it is anyway, and that's what the crap they used in the BP spill did, it made it sink.

I wonder what that stuff that makes it dilbit is?

At any rate.

It's gonna be one sticky, stinky mess for a long time.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (34975) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Daymn - that's too bad - don't they know that they could support a stack of quarters on a soaked sheet of Bounty? Madness!


[-] 1 points by shooz (18978) 0 minutes ago

Nope.

Brawny, the Koch brothers crap that doesn't work so well, gotta keep those profits up.

So it could take a while. ↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (34975) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Aren't they using Bounty? The quicker picker upper?

[-] 2 points by shooz (17791) 1 year ago

Nope.

Brawny, the Koch brothers crap that doesn't work so well, gotta keep those profits up.

So it could take a while.

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

I'm going to guess that would be the point. I'll go out on a limb......

[-] 2 points by shooz (17791) 1 year ago

Just to change the subject, do you see a plot to discredit another union, or maybe a chance to reduce unemployment due to fraud?

http://www.freep.com/article/20130409/NEWS15/304090048/Union-asks-Michigan-Gov-Rick-Snyder-rehire-unemployment-insurance-fraud-staff

I didn't know he laid them off.

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

Ha!

Snyder was in Atlanta late Monday for the NCAA men's basketball final pitting Michigan against Louisville.

Something about fiddling while Rome burns.

[-] 1 points by shooz (17791) 1 year ago

Supporting the school he's threatening to cut off funds to for actually bargaining a contract.

Fiddling indeed and although he may not have lit that fire, he's fanning it awfully hard. The lying fuck.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

He has to go.

[-] 2 points by shooz (17791) 1 year ago

Since they don't want to talk about the SPN, here's the latest.

I told you Demint going to Heritage wasn't going to turn out well.

[Demint] told the assembled donors confidently… to look beyond Washington, DC, and see that conservatives were scoring victories in state after state, citing the December move by Michigan Republicans to ram through anti-union legislation, as well as similar laws passed in Wisconsin and Indiana. Some of these victories would influence the Beltway as well. After all, the GOP’s control of state governments guaranteed that congressional districts were drawn in such a way that, in the 2012 elections, Republicans retained a thirty-three-seat majority in the House despite Democrats earning 1.3 million more votes for their candidates.

“You may not have heard about it,” DeMint continued. “We’ve been cultivating bright ideas, building coalitions and working with others like the State Policy Network to make these things happen.”

http://www.eclectablog.com/2013/04/lee-fang-exposes-the-state-policy-network-corporate-domination-of-public-policy.html

In the sourcewatch page did you notice the DeVos Foundation being major players in the network?

DeVos is Snyder's go to guy.

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

[-] 1 points by shooz (18992) 0 minutes ago

Destroying Democracy, one State at a time.

DC doesn't matter.

Demint all but said that, word for word.

So am I lying? ↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink


Nope, but I still like DeMint where I can see him and his thugishness.

[-] 2 points by shooz (17791) 1 year ago

We might need to try and keep a spotlight on him, as he spreads himself throughout the States..

I found that quote to be a pretty good start.

[-] 2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 1 year ago

DeVos Foundation:

Richard DeVos is co-founder of Amway and served as the finance chair of the Republican National Committee.[1]. Helen DeVos is a Christian Republican activist who gives via the foundation and individually to heavy hitters in the Republican Party like George W. Bush and Rick Santorum. They both focus their generosity on anti-union, pro-school voucher organizations and politicians that support that viewpoint.

I'm not any where near finished with that site.


From Fang's article in the Nation:

And before State Policy Network focused its attention in 2011 on eliminating unions, the group helped propel the campaign against the low-income advocacy group ACORN. In 2008, one of its affiliates filed a racketeering suit against ACORN, alleging it was a criminal gang designed to commit voter fraud in Ohio—though no evidence existed of any illicit voting.

This is why every one of them are dirtbags. Like cockroaches.


Fang quotes Scott Hagerstrom, head of the Michigan branch of Americans for Prosperity, saying, “We fight these battles on taxes and regulation but really, what we would like to see is to take the unions out at the knees so they don’t have the resources to fight these battles.” He also quotes Joseph Lehman of the Mackinac Center who said, “The strategic idea we had in mind was defunding unions”.

And that's why every one of them are dirtbags.

[-] 1 points by DKAtoday (34975) from Coon Rapids, MN 1 year ago

Amway - Huh.

Hey did you know that if you earned enough points on their pyramid scheme - um sorry - program - that you could win a personal jet?

[-] 1 points by shooz (17791) 1 year ago

Destroying Democracy, one State at a time.

DC doesn't matter.

Demint all but said that, word for word.

So am I lying?

[-] 1 points by redandbluestripedpill (333) 1 year ago

Prevention is cultural, not societal. The culture has need for a healthy individual and prevention is key. Society has no intrinsic awareness of need, it's controlled by opinion.

[-] -1 points by Stormcrow2 (-184) 1 year ago

How about changing the topic to Parenting and Mental Health. Both go hand in hand when it comes to reaising children but we live in a society where neiher parenting nor mental health are important.

So all the gun control in the world won't solve the problem - we need people to do one of two things

Stop having kids that they abandon Get this country to realize that we have a "youth violence problem" in this country which equates to "mental well being".

Solve both those problems and gun ownership won't be a problem.

[-] -2 points by RoccoXXX (8) 1 year ago

Well said Stormcrow ! I wish OWS would include an occupation of our communities....by way of starting a volunteer community action program in which such issues as 'parenting' and 'mental health' are addressed at the community level. Sometimes parents are just out of options and sometime they simply lack information. I suppose it could be structured something like an advocate program for every member of the community.

[-] -1 points by Stormcrow2 (-184) 1 year ago

Here is a link that pretty much explains just how sad the parenting situation in this country is: It's dated 2007 but things haven't changed that much. More needs to be done.

Single Parent Households - How Does it Affect the Children?

http://voices.yahoo.com/single-parent-households-does-affect-children-422927.html?cat=25

As you read through the content of this document you will eventually understand why a two parent household works -