Forum Post: Columnist Donald Kaul has raged against guns, but after Sandy Hook massacre, he says, it’s time for “anger,”
Posted 11 years ago on Jan. 2, 2013, 1:34 a.m. EST by outlawtumor
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DES MOINES, Iowa – For 50 years, the left-leaning columnist Donald Kaul has raged against guns, but after the Sandy Hook Elementary School massacre, he says, it’s time for “anger,” killing gun owners and dragging legislators who disagree with gun control behind pickup trucks until they get the message.
The Pulitzer Prize-nominated columnist penned an alarming screed published in the Des Moines Register in which he further suggested the Second Amendment be repealed and the National Rifle Association be declared a terrorist organization.
“During my 50-year career,” Kaul wrote, “every time some demented soul would take a semiautomatic gun and clean out a post office, a school or a picnic, I’d get up on my soap box and let loose with a withering diatribe about guns, the National Rifle Association and weak-kneed politicians. Did it about 75 times, give or take.”
Yet each time, he lamented, the only result was a spike in gun sales.
Donald Kaul “That’s obscene,” he opined. “Here, then, is my ‘madder-than-hell-and-I’m-not-going-to-take-it-anymore’ program for ending gun violence in America.”
His first step: “Repeal the Second Amendment, the part about guns anyway. It’s badly written, confusing and more trouble than it’s worth. … Surely the Founders couldn’t have envisioned weapons like those used in the Newtown shooting when they guaranteed gun rights. Owning a gun should be a privilege, not a right.”
Second: “Declare the NRA a terrorist organization and make membership illegal. … Make ownership of unlicensed assault rifles a felony. If some people refused to give up their guns, that ‘prying the guns from their cold, dead hands’ thing works for me.”
Third: “Then I would tie Mitch McConnell and John Boehner, our esteemed Republican leaders, to the back of a Chevy pickup truck and drag them around a parking lot until they saw the light on gun control.”
“And if that didn’t work,” Kaul concludes, “I’d adopt radical measures.”
Kaul explains his dramatic measures this way: “The thing missing from the debate so far is anger – anger that we live in a society where something like the Sandy Hook Elementary massacre can happen and our main concern is not offending the NRA’s sensibilities.”
It would appear Kaul has supplied his missing ingredient.
Where this uneducated imbecile made his mistake is at the time of the 2nd Amendments writing the referring to "A well regulated Militia" was a reference to the people. There was already a regular army commanded by George Washington of trained soldiers who fought the English in conventional line formations. The Militia was the people, citizens of the towns who could form in minutes when they knew the "Red Coats" were coming. These individuals were nothing more than citizens of the 13 colonies who when not called to arms were blacksmiths, stable boys, farmers, carpenters and any other job that would be performed during that day. The Key to the statement is CITIZENS. THE MILITIA WERE CITIZENS OF AMERICA Mr. Kaul. Now yes we no longer have a Militia, the nearest thing to a Militia we have is the Reserves or National Guard, however the key statement in this part of the bill is the fact that at this time in our history the Militia was a reference to the citizens of the country. Now Mr. Kaul says " surely the Founders couldn’t have envisioned weapons like those used in the Newtown shooting." There is still no clear information on what weapons were used at this shooting. The newest information from NBC says 4 Pistols were recovered from the Newtown shooting and the rifle was left in the car... Are pistols what you are referring to Mr. Kaul? "Owning a gun should be a privilege, not a right." You are absolutely right Mr. Kaul... New Jersey is a great state to follow in this regard. When you apply for a gun permit a few things are done (1) background check and finger printing is conducted (2) Up to 6 month waiting period and your references are contacted (3) Official signed approval must be given by the chief of police in the town you live in. I believe they should include a 3-5 page mental health examination as well. When I applied for my permits 10 years ago there was a small mental health fill out that had to be done however people I know that have recently gotten permits have said that part was not in the steps. The entire next paragraph of your little writing is absolutely absurd.. A terrorist organization!? Really!? Does the NRA have hidden training camps shooting at targets of American citizens or the President of the United States? No. Does the NRA read religious scripture and interpret it as a need to kill infidels of the west? No. What about the NRA makes it a Terrorist Organization? Is it the membership fees you pay than receive a bumper sticker in the mail saying you support the NRA? Or how about the NRA Basic training courses to teach people gun safety and proper storage of a firearm. THOSE CRAZY NRA TERRORIST! There are 4.3 million Americans that are a part of the National Rifle Association. There are over 60 million gun owners in America and more than 300 million Americans living in the USA... What did the NRA do to you Mr. Kaul? The fact that Mr. Kaul refers to the Communist Party while talking about the NRA completely blows my mind. He states "The NRA has led to the deaths of more of us than American Commies ever did" I will say again, there are 4.3 million members of the NRA and to my knowledge and research on the matter the NRA has never bombed a public building or committed any acts of extreme violence ever in its history. Do you have information the rest of us do not? Are you simply referring to mass shootings across this country Mr. Kaul? Because if you are you need to check your facts. None of the people who have participated in these atrocities have been members of the NRA. Mr. Kaul then says he would "raze the organization's headquarters, clear the rubble and salt the earth." Really, is that what you would do? You are starting to remind me of horrible events in human history. Why don't we stitch yellow stars into NRA members cloths so we can identify them when they are walking down the street. Why don't we make separate bathrooms, schools, parks and any other areas were people would meet for these NRA members. Why don't we take a wife of an NRA member and give her to the Mayor of the town they live in on their wedding night in a attempt to "breed them out." Do you not like these ideas as well Mr. Kaul? As I stated I have no problem with more extensive checks to gain access to firearms but "prying the guns from their cold, dead hands" works for you, does it? In my opinion you would have made a great officer in Hitler's 3rd Reich because you simply do not care for anyone's opinion or feelings regarding what they believe in. If they don't conform to your beliefs we should just get rid of them. Isn't that right Mr. Kaul? What football team do you follow Mr. Kaul? Are you a NY Giants fan? Or 49ers fan? Why don't we take your favorite football teams rival and destroy their stadium. After lets go and round up all fans of that team and take any merchandise they have of that team. If they refuse we can just kill them and be done with it. Sound like a good idea Mr. Kaul? Not even getting started on what you said about some of our nations Republican leaders I will conclude my response to you. You are a evil man Mr. Kaul. You are just spitting out random words of hate in the hopes people will read what you wrote will not look into it for themselves. You want people to "take your word for it" and not question anything you have said. You sir are a fanatic who does not want people to have their own opinions or belief. Your word is not absolute Mr. Kaul and I believe you need to go back into retirement and stay there until your final days on this earth.
""Owning a gun should be a privilege, not a right." You are absolutely right Mr. Kaul"
Of all that you disagree with Kaul about,this is the one thing you agree with him about?
So you don't believe in the Constitutional rights to keep and bear arms??
So when you say "owning a gun should be a privlege, not a right" do you mean that "only the privlege shall own guns".
What about the rest of society? Think they would stand for that - and who's decision would it be for a person to be "privleged" enough to own a gun?
I didn't say "owning a gun should be a privlege, not a right" do you mean that "only the privlege shall own guns".
That was Kaul (from the story) and tonynegs who agrees with that statement.
I do not in anyway believe that bullshit. Owning a gun is a right as guaranteed by the Constitution.
I don't quite understand tonynegs and where he's coming from. He disagrees with Kaul on all things except that owning guns is a "privilege".....???? Don't understand that mentality.
Sorry bout that - my bad. I thought you were agreeing.
Your resolutions await you.
http://occupywallst.org/forum/resolutions-for-the-nra/
The 2nd amendment is clearly written, easy to understand.The 2nd amendment simply assures each citizen that they have the tools necessary to defend their life, family or property from agression , whether from and individual or the govt.
Right, because outlawing guns will cure crazy idiots. Geeshh, why didn't we think of this before, if we say no more guns then they'll stop killing people right?? What if someone decides - hey, I really hate baseball so I'll start using a baseball bat - shall we ban baseball with the bat?
Even better - ask China about the crazies that killed and wounded kids / adults with knives and a sword.
Face it clowns - Crazy will find a way to kill be it an automobile, knife or gun.
Is he a globalist?
http://nsnbc.me/2012/12/28/sandy-hook-huge-hoax-and-anti-gun-psy-op/
http://www.naturalnews.com/036536_James_Holmes_shooting_false_flag.html
To understand today's world, it's necessary to understand three concepts: false flag attacks, information warfare & control fraud.
In response, Mr. Kaul continues to make more sense than the NRA and the NRA supporters continue to come off as petty criminals who probably shouldn't own a gun in the first place.
http://www.alternet.org/tea-party-and-right/how-bit-satire-earned-me-round-clock-abuse-and-threats-violence-gun-nuts?page=0%2C0.
Obviously there is much confusion and disagreement, yet thousands of people are getting shot every year (makes you wonder about the RW Fast and Furious hysteria). We already have 50% of the worlds firearms and we are only 5% of the world's population, so we have PLENTY of guns.
Let's call a time out, a moratorium, until we figure this stupid mess out.
There is ZERO urgency to maintain our archaic status quo gun availability. There is TREMENDOUS and OVERWHELMING urgency to END the shootings!!
http://occupywallst.org/forum/people-please-senselessness-becomes-action-ban-eas/
Thousands more die in cars every year,yet we won't ban them. And cars aren't even a Constitutional right,...maybe by the end of Obama's second term they could be.
Please,by all means. Then let's put a "moratorium" on the complete rest of the Constitution also until we figure this stupid mess out.
If we're taking away rights let's just take them all away,....for everybody at the same time just to be fair and equal. Pesky freedoms seem to keep getting in the way of a safe,perfect and wondrous Utopia, Those Founding Fathers are long dead so why the hell should we listen to them?
Your ENTITLEMENT is a musket in a well regulated militia, law enforcement and military has that covered. You're whining about a dangerous hobby that you idiots proved, many more times than you deserve, that you can't handle!
The Public's RIGHT to not be shot TRUMPS your stupid hobby!!!
There is ZERO urgency to maintain our archaic status quo gun availability. There is TREMENDOUS and OVERWHELMING urgency to END the shootings!!
Cars, unfortunately, have replaced public transportation so that Big Oil can milk the public like cows, and make record profits while we foot the bill for the collateral costs of oil dependency ~ pollution, war, automobiles, roads, etc. But they provide a necessary service, UNLIKE GUNS!!!!
US needs to go UK on guns!!!
Moratorium NOW!!!!!
You display your ignorance quite boastfully and proud. Apparently you didn't get the memo:
The Constitutional Right to keep and bear arms IS NOT A HOBBY!!
I've read your same tired,childish rant over and over on here. Somehow you got the idea that if you applied your ignorance about the 2nd Amendment with the logic of a 3rd grader and expressed it in strong enough terms, (with conviction) that you just might convince at least some of these low information voters that you have a valid point.
But,alas that isn't the case.
All you've done is provide some very low brow,lackluster and quite banal entertainment.
Take your sideshow of ignorance and go amuse some more gullible,low information types. You frankly are about as qualified to comment on this subject as perhaps a real 3rd grader. However,depending on their parents guidance you could well be out shined and humiliated again.
You write words that are backed by no real knowledge or experience. Get it together,you're fast becoming a professional Fool!!
Typical RW talking point recital, incapable of critical analysis, just obedient parroting. Like most righties, you'd have made a good Nazi!
Thousands of Americans are getting shot every year with irresponsible firearm dispersal (makes you wonder about the RW Fast and Furious hysteria). We already have 50% of the worlds firearms and we are only 5% of the world's population, so we have PLENTY of guns.
Let's call a time out, a moratorium, until we figure this stupid mess out.
There is ZERO urgency to maintain open gun availability. There is TREMENDOUS and OVERWHELMING urgency to END the shootings!!
http://occupywallst.org/forum/people-please-senselessness-becomes-action-ban-eas/
We in the US need to join the 21st century and go UK on guns!!!
Immediate Moratorium for NOW!!!!!
Btw the Nazis were Leftists. All you spam is Leftist's propaganda and talking points. That's all you got.
All you post IS SPAM!!!!
Now Glenn, even you know that's complete, ignorant bullshit.
Isn't time for you to return to FLAKESnew?.
Read below if you dare learn something.
Flakesnews makes you stupid, silly.
At least we now know what happened to you.
Such a waste of your education.
You're a one trick pony.
That's only because you've proven me correct.
Thanks for that.
Why waste anything else on your drivel.
Just a one stale trick pony.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/01/03/fox-news-debates-yoga-nazis-and-the-wussification-of-america/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/07/conservative-politics-low-effort-thinking_n_1410448.html
http://www.theroot.com/views/lazy-conservatism-allen-west
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2012/07/30/lazy/
http://www.mediaite.com/online/low-effort-thought-promotes-political-conservatism-new-study-says/
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/wwjtd/2012/11/how-to-think-like-a-social-conservative-in-1-easy-step/
There's lots more where that came from.
It all points to one thing.
You are intellectually lazy.
You're a lazy hunter too.
Next time out get your deer with a bowie knife.
Just a one stale,mundane trick pony that's full of horse shit.
Here's an actual study.
No FLAKESnews involved, not endorsed by Glenn Beck.
https://www.evernote.com/shard/s12/sh/25b88c91-94e8-4729-a548-f5b463bb66ce/4be5d6f6e205896490f7c75aa398ca34/res/016c5f91-5e9e-4411-8305-585bdf2a612c/Pers%20Soc%20Psychol%20Bull-2012-Eidelman-0146167212439213.pdf
Is that why you can't help but continuously repeat yourself?
I know someone who actually did hunt deer with a knife.
He got one too.
Real men don't need guns.
The extreme left side of the political spectrum is communism, the extreme right of the political spectrum is fascism like nazi Germany.
WWII was the war against fascism, You are absolutely wrong about nazis being leftists they were extreme right wing wackos.
After we kicked their sorry right wing fascist asses, we then began the cold war against the extreme left wing communism.
get it?
Since you are in need of information and obviously are ill-informed I'd suggest you read this carefully.
A Little Secret About the Nazis:
"They were left-wing socialists. Yes, the National Socialist Workers Party of Germany, otherwise known as the Nazi Party, was indeed socialist, and it had a lot in common with the modern left. Hitler preached class warfare, agitating the working class to resist ``exploitation'' by capitalists -- particularly Jewish capitalists, of course. Their program called for the nationalization of education, health care, transportation, and other major industries. They instituted and vigorously enforced a strict gun control regimen. They encouraged pornography, illegitimacy, and abortion, and they denounced Christians as right-wing fanatics. Yet a popular myth persists that the Nazis themselves were right-wing extremists. This insidious lie biases the entire political landscape, and the time has come to expose it."
Richard Poe, editor of Frontpage Magazine, sets the record straight:
Nazism was inspired by Italian Fascism, an invention of hardline Communist Benito Mussolini. During World War I, Mussolini recognized that conventional socialism wasn't working. He saw that nationalism exerted a stronger pull on the working class than proletarian brotherhood. He also saw that the ferocious opposition of large corporations made socialist revolution difficult. So in 1919, Mussolini came up with an alternative strategy. He called it Fascism. Mussolini described his new movement as a ``Third Way'' between capitalism and communism. As under communism, the state would exercise dictatorial control over the economy. But as under capitalism, the corporations would be left in private hands.
Hitler followed the same game plan. He openly acknowledged that the Nazi party was
socialist'' and that its enemies were thebourgeoisie'' and the ``plutocrats'' (the rich). Like Lenin and Stalin, Hitler eliminated trade unions, and replaced them with his own state-run labor organizations. Like Lenin and Stalin, Hitler hunted down and exterminated rival leftist factions (such as the Communists). Like Lenin and Stalin, Hitler waged unrelenting war against small business.Hitler regarded capitalism as an evil scheme of the Jews and said so in speech after speech. Karl Marx believed likewise. In his essay, ``On the Jewish Question,'' Marx theorized that eliminating Judaism would strike a crippling blow to capitalist exploitation. Hitler put Marx's theory to work in the death camps.
The Nazis are widely known as nationalists, but that label is often used to obscure the fact that they were also socialists. Some question whether Hitler himself actually believed in socialism, but that is no more relevant than whether Stalin was a true believer. The fact is that neither could have come to power without at least posing as a socialist. And the constant emphasis on the fact that the Nazis were nationalists, with barely an acknowledgment that they were socialists, is as absurd as labeling the Soviets
internationalists'' and ignoring the fact that they were socialists (they called themselves the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics). Yet many who regardnational'' socialism as the scourge of humanity consider ``international'' socialism a benign or even superior form of government.According to a popular misconception, the Nazis must have been on the political right because they persecuted communists and fought a war with the communists in Russia. This specious logic has gone largely unchallenged because it serves as useful propaganda for the left, which needs ``right-wing'' atrocities to divert attention from the horrific communist atrocities of the past century. Hence, communist atrocities have received much less publicity than Nazi war crimes, even though they were greater in magnitude by any objective measure.
R. J. Rummel of the University of Hawaii documents in his book Death by Government that the two most murderous regimes of the past century were both communist: communists in the Soviet Union murdered 62 million of their own citizens, and Chinese communists killed 35 million Chinese citizens. The Nazi socialists come in third, having murdered 21 million Jews, Slavs, Serbs, Czechs, Poles, Ukrainians and others. Additional purges occurred in smaller communist hellholes such as Cambodia, Vietnam, North Korea, Ethiopia, and Cuba, of course. Communism does more than imprison and impoverish nations: it kills wholesale. And so did ``national socialism'' during the Nazi reign of terror.
But the history of the past century has been grossly distorted by the predominantly left-wing media and academic elite. The Nazis have been universally condemned -- as they obviously should be -- but they have also been repositioned clear across the political spectrum and propped up as false representatives of the far right -- even though Hitler railed frantically against capitalism in his infamous demagogic speeches. At the same time, heinous crimes of larger magnitude by communist regimes have been ignored or downplayed, and the general public is largely unaware of them. Hence, communism is still widely regarded as a fundamentally good idea that has just not yet been properly
implemented.'' Santayana said,Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.'' God help us if we forget the horrors of communism and get the historical lessons of Nazism backwards.The Nazis also had something else in common with the modern left: an obsessive preoccupation with race. Hitler and his Nazis considered races other than their own inferior, of course. Modern
liberals,'' who vociferously oppose the elimination of racial quotas, seem to agree. They apparently believe that non-white minorities (excluding Asians, of course) are inferior and unable to compete in the free market without favoritism mandated by the government. Whereas Hitler was hostile to those racial minorities, however, modern whiteliberals'' condescend benevolently. Hitler's blatant and virulent form of racism was eradicated relatively quickly and very forcefully, but the more subtle and insidious racism of the modern left has yet to be universally recognized and condemned.The media often focuses its microscope on modern neo-nazi lunatics, but the actual scope of the menace is relatively miniscule, with perhaps a few thousand neo-nazis at most in the United States (mostly ``twenty-something'' know-nothings). The number of communists and communist sympathizers in the United States dwarfs that figure, of course -- even among tenured professors! And while the threat of neo-nazi terrorism is indeed serious, the chance of neo-nazis gaining any kind of legitimate political power anywhere is virtually zero. That is why the ACLU can safely use them to advertise its supposed commitment to free speech. Neo-nazi rallies incite violence, but they do not persuade bystanders to join their cause! If they did, the ACLU would have nothing to do with them.
I'm sure Mr. Beck agrees, but that doesn't make it so.
Will you be calling the KKK a human rights organization next?
You can't read,..not that fast at least. Go back and learn something instead of always pontificating from your ignorance.
I actually researched it. Glenn Beck gives it his seal of "approval".
NOW will you go back to FLAKESnews?
It's not like you came here to learn anything.
You could read this and try, though I doubt you have it in you.
http://www.alternet.org/story/154875/the_science_of_fox_news%3A_why_its_viewers_are_the_most_misinformed
You're a low information voter and asking you to understand anything other then your Leftist propaganda is asking too much.
Not really.
You're just misinformed. A little truth challenged.
Would you like me to re-post those resolutions for you?
They address most of your concerns.
I would. It would be fun.
OK.......:) Enjoy!
http://occupywallst.org/forum/resolutions-for-the-nra/
He's repeating himself so much now, I fear he's drooling.
I hope his keyboard is drool proof.
Like birds of a feather low information voters flock together.
I disagree
Truth is "spam" to abject liars!
That might be a bit harsh, you're probably just a mindless cult follower... just a poor zombie.
the most foolish mistake we could possibly make would to be to allow the subject races to posses arms. history shows that all conquerers who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing. adolf hitler.
I get where he's coming from.
What's your point?
Don't tell me you've finally gotten tired of gun nuttery........................:)
Figures you'd "get where he's coming from". That would firmly place you in his same "nuttery".
No. That would make me sane............:)
It's you who feels more love for your guns than all children that will be killed by them. That puts you in a situation of being a bit of a psychopath.
Now that's nuttery.
I suppose you think the Boston tea party was about high taxes too.
Lies are easy to believe.
You're "sane"? By what standards?
Lies ARE easy for you to believe apparently.
Against the standard of a gun nutter of course............:)
The NRA hasn't told the truth in over 2 decades.
So about that party?
Are you looking it up as we type?
The only party you know anything about is most likely a gay crack smoking affair where you are the donkey that gets something pinned to his tail.
Come back when you actually want to take about reality and not your fantasy bullshit.
Whatever.
You're still a gun nutter.
Figures,you're still the donkey.
Yo Mama.
http://occupywallst.org/forum/occupiers-arrested-with-weapons-bomb-making-materi/
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