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Forum Post: Collective Rights

Posted 2 years ago on June 24, 2012, 6:23 a.m. EST by secnoot (-14)
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Do the needs of the collective supersede the needs of the collective?

Do the needs of the collective supersede the rights of the individual?

Should they?

Does the collective have rights?

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[-] 1 points by JPB950 (2254) 2 years ago

It seems to depend on the collective. Currently if your group forms a corporation it has the same rights as an individual, not more or less. Under our system the rights of the individual often take precedence over the group, unless there is some compelling reason.

[-] 0 points by atki4564 (1259) from Lake Placid, FL 2 years ago

The needs of the collective must equal the needs of the individual, so we need a new constitution to mange our needs, as follows:

We the peoples, in order to secure Freedom and Justice for All, do enact this Constitution for Strategic International Systems LLC (or SIS LLC) as summarized in the following Business Operations Forecast:

The customer value mission of SIS LLC is (1) to organize all customer-investors into 3,000 investment squad sites of 16 friends (or virtual specialties), and related internet investment legislatures of 50,000 friends (or virtual towns), requiring (2) a $20 weekly capital contribution for 1 year (or $1,000) to (3) create your investment club bank of 50,000 friends (or physical town) -- that is, having $50 million in initial assets -- which (4) due to the operation of today’s fractional banking system becomes (5) $500 million in new annual business loans (or $10,000 in new annual individual loans) from yourself as a new bank officer to yourself as a new business officer who (6) takes 75% employee business control as business officer-investors and 25% customer business control as bank officer-investors of (7) your specific 12 businesses (or investments) in your new bank investment account wherein (8) your investor voting power equals (9) your 1 of 12 levels of experience in (10) your 1 of 12 sectors in 1 of 50 industries in 1 of 200 occupations in 1 of 3,000 specialities which (11) votes-upon your purchasing (or investment) orders as (12) proposed by your employee-elected chain of command.

This means you will have 75% employee business control over your workplace as business officers and, as bank officers, 25% customer business control over all 12 investments (or businesses) in your new bank investment account. In turn, with this 100% town-level business control of your 3,000 workplaces, you can decrease your 12 customer consumption expenses by 75% for services, vehicles, education, retail, food, construction, technology, manufacturing, wholesale, health, justice, and banking expenses; that is, over your first 12 years of SIS LLC membership using a 75% more effective and efficient town design, and related 3,000 workplace designs (herein). Furthermore, while creating your new town & workplace design as described by this constitution, you will replace today’s communist big businesses, and related big governments, with your new small investment club banks, and related small businesses (or investments), as proposed, financed, and patronized by your 3,000 investment squad sites of 16 friends (or virtual specialties) in your internet investment legislature of 50,000 friends (or virtual town).

Why? First, because today’s executive business income (mostly from bank or financial asset income) is 33% of all income which is a huge amount of upper 1% income to split among yourselves as new bank officers having 25% customer business control, right? Second, because today’s executive business wealth is 42% of all wealth which is a huge amount of upper 1% wealth to split among yourselves as new business officers having 75% employee business control; that is, only after becoming new bank officers (above) first, right?

For example, this means if you earn $12/hour today, then you will earn $36/hour tomorrow after adding (1) your old wage income, plus (2) your 33% (more and new) interest income as a new bank officer, plus (3) your 42% (more and new) dividend & gain income as a new business officer. Together, these 4 sources of wealth & income from your specific 12 businesses (or investments) will double your net worth every 6-12 years (until retirement); that is, from the compound interest decline of today's upper 1% executives whom you will replace as the new bank & business investor-officers. So, with this power, let’s end today’s communist big businesses, and related big governments, okay? How? By helping to operate your own Business Operations Forecast (above) at http://finance.groups.yahoo.com/group/StrategicInternationalSystems/ ; so help us help you, today!

[-] 0 points by secnoot (-14) 2 years ago

Why is your new constitution only concerned with money and not about the rights of the individual?

[-] 1 points by atki4564 (1259) from Lake Placid, FL 2 years ago

The rights of the individual are controlled by the collective, so you must focus on controlling the rights of the collective first, as measured by banking and business, and then equally so, on the rights of the individual second, as measured by the above cooperative actions to control money as bank and business investor-officers yourselves. Does a cop control the criminal (or today's big banks and big businesses) without mirroring the actions of the criminal step-by-step? No, the cop mirrors the criminal, step-by-step, and thus collectively empowers yourselves as individuals, for there is always more than one cop when engaging a criminal.

[-] 0 points by secnoot (-14) 2 years ago

That is why the United States Constitution controls the collective (the government) ability to use its' power over the individual. It is the control of governmental power over the rights of the individual that must be limited, not the rights of the individual.

[-] 1 points by atki4564 (1259) from Lake Placid, FL 2 years ago

You don't understand the law (or science), for your rights as an individual will always be controlled by your cooperatively determining the rights of the collective first. Consequently, if you refuse to take direct democratic control of the collective (or government) as bank & business investor-officer yourselves, then you will forever be exploited by those who do, for they, today's upper 1% managers of the big banks and big businesses, being large collectives themselves which direct the government, understand the law (or science), and you, with all due respect, don't, or perhaps you are merely in denial of the facts. Peace is the absence of emotion and the presence of facts, so please look at the facts. Focus on the collective first to empower the individual second. This is the law (or science), and the today's upper 1% managers, and related big banks and big businesses, understand that fact quite well. Do you?

[-] 0 points by secnoot (-14) 2 years ago

The United States Constitution limits the ability of the government to control the God given rights of the individual. We have rights bestowed upon us by God that are inalienable. These rights that are bestowed on us by God are not subjected to the demands of any collective.

You and your imagined collective have no rights to infringe upon my God given right to pursue life, liberty or property.

[-] 0 points by atki4564 (1259) from Lake Placid, FL 2 years ago

God is the collective, and you "being evil", as Christ said, cannot go against God, or you will be thrown in jail (or hell) for your crimes against Justice (or God). What is your religion?

[-] 0 points by secnoot (-14) 2 years ago

God is God. The "collective" is the work of man (the devil). Man is created in the image of God. The collective is created by man.

[-] 1 points by atki4564 (1259) from Lake Placid, FL 2 years ago

The collective, includes all animals, not just humans, oh so self-centered one. You are much like the old church when it insisted that the earth was the center of the universe, and therefore so is man in God's image. However, God is timeless and dimensionless, and thus without image (or idols), and take any 10 to 500th power of images he wants, or is that fact not obvious to you either? But enough, I have no further time to waste on fantasy-driven people like you. Bye.