Forum Post: CNN's Wolf Blitzer Will Only Talk About Hillary Clinton With Bernie Sanders
Posted 9 years ago on May 20, 2015, 4:45 p.m. EST by factsrfun
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The media can only anoate Hillary if the the people let them. We can change this, I will be making calls, knocking doors and have already given a little money to Bernie. I can not let this chance pass without at least trying.
I hope that all that see the harm that allowing so few to have so much and letting net worth determine the weight of your voice, not the wisdom of it.
The time is now.
I enjoy your optimism.
However, being that you are the age you are, and have witnessed the things that you have by the Democrats- war, torture, bailouts, bribing and other assorted massive national crimes- and you are still there, cheering them on...
I think you may need your head examined.
I have seen what happens when Republicans win.
We're still in the Bernie's Gonna Win part of the delusion.Part 2 will be Bernie Coulda Won If We Had Tried Harder and If Only It Weren't For All These Traitors & Nattering Nabobs of Negativity.There's an Alternate Ending in the Director's Cut!
Part three will be. 'Well I didn't win, but we must support Hillary because she is the lesser of the two evils.'
I'll say it now and I will say it later, anybody stupid enough to let a Republican win gets what they deserve. Saying they are "lesser of two evils" is like say getting your ears pierced is less painful than a bullet through the head.
An additional Stinkle for not acknowledging that Hillary-a Democrat,is heavily favored to win,because the strongest candidate the Republicans have to put up against her is Jeb Bush,who is as soft as a Butter Pie-due to his disastrous brother and his own propensity for being easily goaded into irritable,rude and rash remarks.
Like I said anybody stupid enough to let the GOP win gets what they deserve, you can dress up your stupidity any way you like but if you let them win you share the blame for all they do.
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STINKLE 4 U Mr facts... for denigrating another poster. So you want us to continue doing the same crap, eh?
I would prefer 5,000,000 didn't give their vote to the ego whore Nader over a decade ago, but no I most definitely hope people stop doing stupid crap like that and kill the GOP while we still can.
Both parties fear the formation of a strong alternative third party. They might lose control of 'their' agenda if that duopoly were broken.
The only duopoly is in your logic, the truth is if we kill the GOP, something that can be done, we upset the balance and everything changes. This third party path to power dream of yours is stupid and will never happen, what will happen is more W Bush and Jeb Bush and so on, sick ego driven idiots like you cost the planet the best shot we had to address climate change when Nader sold that duopoly crap all over the nation and five million fools followed the blind man who couldn't see a difference.
Now the difference is greater than ever yet fools like you would pump life support to the GOP to keep it alive.
So, in other words, you want us to accept the lesser of the two evil corporate parties.... AGAIN. Right? No thanks. I already did that and look at where we are?
I know you would rather elect another W Bush because you can't be bothered to find a difference.
I would no not want to elect another "W. Bush," or a candiate from the corrupted Democratic Party, either. You? Do you still beleive their slogan, Change We Can Believe In? If you want to be a dupe AGAIN, please be my guest.
And yet you work night and day to elect the GOP in hopes of repeating your huge victory of 2014.
You are nothing but an agent of the 1% supporting the election of their footmen.
Not even Bernie Sanders can get you to pull your head from your ass and do something. I expect it is the smell of your own shit you find so wonderful, given your ego and your love of ego whores.
More lies from the other person who wants to co-opt this revolution into the corrupt Democratic Party. Sanders went from being a Socialist to a corrupt Democrat who supports the MIC. Unfortunately Bernie cashed in for political expediency. Neither party will bring about systemic change.
You have one goal, which should be clear to all by now, you goal is to attack the Dems, anyone who doesn't attack the Dems is your enemy why? Because you LOVE the GOP!
no... FRF .... you LOVE the GOP! ... bad publicity is good publicity ... how bout NO publicity !!!
like war with good guys and terrorist ?
10th track: (Tossing Shit)
As We have nothing to back-up our stated positions (opt-out fiction = public self defeating) - We will do our best to throw it back on ( put a lie on) any who would ask for details of our non-existent action plans (Ya know......those who put the lie to our bullshit - "who shine the light on our bullshit").
The putdown we use on others is simple - and with it in play - we then retreat - to our constant tactic of providing nothing while saying much (politi-speak = talking endlessly while saying "really" nothing at all - nothing of any value - see also: endlessly arguing circular "public self defeating" logic).
Tossing shit - we love it.
I know teenagers with better understandings of this system than you do with your MSNBC/FOX narrative of the entire thing.
Now go ease into a warm bath and relax.
Do those teenagers know that people who win elections write laws, you don't seem to.
Stinkle..Why did OWS happen? A rally for the dems?
OWS arose from a desire to bring wealth inequality and the power of money in politics to the forefront in policy debate.
The core principle of the GOP is to make the rich richer and money more powerful, OWS brings the truth that could kill the GOP, if it can protect itself from those that would elect more GOP and those trying to co-opt OWS to kickstart their ego driven power trip.
10th track: (Tossing Shit)
As We have nothing to back-up our stated positions (opt-out fiction = public self defeating) - We will do our best to throw it back on ( put a lie on) any who would ask for details of our non-existent action plans (Ya know......those who put the lie to our bullshit - "who shine the light on our bullshit").
The putdown we use on others is simple - and with it in play - we then retreat - to our constant tactic of providing nothing while saying much (politi-speak = talking endlessly while saying "really" nothing at all - nothing of any value - see also: endlessly arguing circular "public self defeating" logic).
Tossing shit - we love it.
Alternate Ending #1 "Director's Cut" Bernie's plane crashes in the Rocky Mountains after winning the California Primary in a Stunning Upset.No survivors,Black Box NowhereTo Be Found-CVR Data "not recoverable."
TWINKLE...Good post, that's what I expect.
Thanks, the people here that are continuously pushing the Democrats either blatantly or implicitously, are part of that depraved system. And denigrating anyone who is not is their modus operandi. They try their damndest to make people think that they are the real deal. There is little doubt in my mind that they are on the payroll.
13th track: (Stinkle teaming away) "one of our very favorites - we can bully and manipulate the boards by teaming up to stinkle comments or twinkle our BS - but we really hate it if anyone calls us out on it - and it drives us insane if we are subjected to anything like it ourselves."
Stinkle teaming away Stinkle teaming away You know the nearer your proactive destination The more we’re gonna try to stinkle team you away
We know a man He came from my hometown He shared his passion for this world in deeds that needed to be done
He said, world, I live in fear My love for you’s so overpowering and I’m afraid that you will be disappeared”
We had stinkle teamed Him away Stinkle teamed Him away You know the nearer your proactive destination The more we’re gonna try to stinkle team you away
And, We know a woman Became an advocate to support life These are the very words she uses to describe her life She said, “A good day Ain’t got no stinkle team” She said, “A bad day’s when I lie in bed And think of things that should have been”
We had stinkle teamed Her away Stinkle teamed Her away You know the nearer your proactive destination The more we’re gonna try to stinkle team you away
And We know a father Who had a son He longed to tell him all the reasons For the things that needed be done He came a long way Just to explain He kissed his boy as he lay sleeping Then he turned around and headed home again
We had stinkle teamed Him away Stinkle teamed Him away You know the nearer your proactive destination The more we’re gonna try to stinkle team you away
We say "God only knows God makes his plan" We say "The information’s unavailable To the mortal man" We want You to work your jobs Collect your pay To believe you’re gliding down the highway When in fact you’ve been stinkle teamed away
Stinkle teaming away Stinkle teaming away You know the nearer your proactive destination The more we’re gonna try to stinkle team you away
EDIT that's STINKLE # 6 , 4 U DK.. - For more silly "track" posts with the aim to 'disrupt' ...in your goal to make this a Democratic forum. I do notice that the list of people who disagree with you is really getting long! lol
You should be ecstatic... no more hidden stinkles without explanation
stinkle 4 u mdonelly for false accusations (tossing shit)
10th track: (Tossing Shit)
As We have nothing to back-up our stated positions (opt-out fiction = public self defeating) - We will do our best to throw it back on ( put a lie on) any who would ask for details of our non-existent action plans (Ya know......those who put the lie to our bullshit - "who shine the light on our bullshit").
The putdown we use on others is simple - and with it in play - we then retreat - to our constant tactic of providing nothing while saying much (politi-speak = talking endlessly while saying "really" nothing at all - nothing of any value - see also: endlessly arguing circular "public self defeating" logic).
Tossing shit - we love it.
TWINKLE for Stinkle #6
It appears that these people are backing a candidate who says he wants to challenge Hillary in the primary.They show no sign of understanding how or why Obama beat her in a Democratic primary election 2 terms ago.It also appears they can't recall or do not know how most of Romney's support from Independents was redirected to Hillary.So they must not know who did this or even when,exactly that happened-even though it was accomplished with one surgically precise shot that was absolutely remarkable.Perhaps they don't even know why so many Democrats who wanted to vote for Hillary could ONLY be hijacked by Obama.A study of Obama's past races might give them a clue.But no-instead "Bernie's Gonna Win" without any particular reason or strategy.Alright,then.
By advancing Sanders candidacy, it prolongs the time, and giving people false hope that will stifle activism, and a chance for systemic change. Absorbing this movement into the Democratic Party is a top priority for the party operatives.
19th track "(We are not about Democracy)"
As some can plainly see
We feign to support it
While doing our best to get the public not to participate to own it or control it
We spout propaganda while trying to expound that the public is unable to make a difference and so should just protest instead of voting out those working against them - as that would be futile
Thus we get a lot of mileage to argue our meaningless "public self defeating" circular logic arguments - that to make a difference one must opt out
STINKLE #15 for DK - For lying again.. Unlike you, I have not "feign[ed]" anything on here. And I refuse to answer inquisitions put to me by a Democratic operative.You continue to distort in typical neocon fashion what this revolution is about. It is not about voting for corrupted party candidates, or whatever new way that you phrase it. Sitting around complaining, and voting once in a while is not activism. But it is what the criminal elite want us to do. You do their bidding, not me.
3rd track: (More specious aspersions) "It's easy to do when one has nothing"
More specious aspersions - as we have got nothing - nothing - nothing else.
I will be listening closely to hear Bernie's Verbal Contortions as he struggles to avoid saying the words Hope or Change.If he uses those words,the lampooning on Twitter will be BRUTAL.Since he is trying to project the image of a Reform Candidate,he really needs to make sure workable substitutes for those two words are found by his campaign strategists.Twitter has a few bloody scalps so far,and is always eager to take the next one.
Look for "Change That We Can Believe In." If you hear Sanders say this, then you know that we definitely are screwed.
I have no definite information that indicates Bernie's Run is a Sham.I'd have an easier time believing if he wasn't running as a Democrat and saying he'll support Hillary in the Ever So Unlikely Event that he doesn't win the Democratic Nomination.
You probably never will have "...definite information that indicates Bernie's Run is a Sham," unless he comes out and says it, lol. But you can deduce that it is a "sham," when he says, if he loses, he will not be a "spoiler," and that he would support Hillary. That translates into more of the same to me.
Then he implied that he will not attack Hillary. That is unconscionable to me considering that she supported the corrupt status quo as Secretary of State. My opinion, he should be FUMING at her, but to do so, it may well ruin her chances in the general election, as her opponent would use those words against her.
Then, rather than using his position as a Congressman and a Senator in his home state, to assist in the growth of a 'real' alternative party, he thwarted those attempts. That makes it clear to me that he is no real Independent or Socialist. He's a Democrat and he is running as one.
Well...it doesn't look good.Several pieces of definite information there.What I said does sound ridiculous.I'm just reluctant to always be a Buzzkill.A bunch of things don't seem right.Now people on Twitter are saying the Oligarchs are "terrified"-not that Bernie might win.but that Bernie might "drag Hillary to the Left" I must say-I don't think the 20 Mule Team could do that.let alone a primary challenge from a candidate that intends to support her "if" he loses.{Sigh}
Most of us have been snookered for a long time, including me. Not wanting to be a "Buzzkill," and supporting the lesser of the two evils is why we are where we are at. There is no doubt that the discontent which originated with Occupy, and Sander's candidacy will drag Hillary, and the country on the whole a bit to the left. Then Hillary will reincarnate herself as a populist. If anyone believes that it is genuine, they should vote for her.
The corrupt elite will have to make concessions given the mood of the country (not just Occupy), and we will move slightly to the left, and many of us will be appeased, so that the corrupt system can continue with very little impediment. And there definitely won't be any systemic change. Instead, it will be very close to business as usual, and having to choose between the lesser of the two evils... AGAIN. You can bank on that, if our movent wasted its energies to elect Sanders.
I twinkle your comment at the end of the thread.I just don't believe change is going to come from this twisted political culture.I don't believe Bernie will be in even 1 single primary.We shall see.I don't really trust Bernie,and I don't believe he would last any longer than Bobby if he's for real.Nobody could seriously believe they could create serious problems for the GLOBAL .01% and NOT have a fatal car/boating/plane accident,heart attack with no history of heart disease,sudden fast moving cancer,have a sudden inexplicable stroke,fall into a coma after a lunch with Israelis,get shot by a Lone Nut,hit by a car,et.al.Capitalism has actually collapsed.No politician is going to admit it,let alone take steps to do something about it.From within the System,everyone has to pretend Capitalism is still a FUNCTIONING Economic System.Bernie is saying the System isn't functioning Correctly.That's not true.Capitalism isn't functioning AT ALL.
The Chinese government manages their economy. People are allowed to get rich and I'm sure there's corruption but the economy doesn't just happen by, "free market", which hasn't existed for many years. It seems to me our government is doing similar things. After the QE's, soon gas prices drop giving the masses some crumbs. Earlier, payroll taxes were cut and Obama sent out regular $40 per month ads. Austerity, relief, etc.
I have SUCH A HARD TIME believing that if Bernie actually is Real and actually DOES start winning big primaries-that he will be able to remain among the living.Look what happened to Bobby.He couldn't even make it out of the fucking hotel where the Victory Party took place.Look what happened to Paul Wellstone when he refused to Obey Cheney.Look what happened to Lehy and Daschle when they tried to obstruct the "Patriot" Act.Fucking ANTHRAX from the Lab in Ames.Paul Wellstone's whole family was on that plane.Quite an unambiguous message to send to the Senate.
Sorry WA-you ended the thread-so TwinkleX2-Kevin Ryan reported that the following have been treated for cancer:Dr.F.Casro,H.Chavez,C.Kirschner,L.Lula daSilva,E.Morales,D.Rousseff.What are the odds? Quadrillions:1?
Hugo Chavez
Unfortunately, those are valid concerns, and maybe all the more reason that we should stay the course. Doing the same which will be futile, or doing nothing at all are both safe and easy, but we will be ensuring a bleak future of servitude for ourselves and our progeny.. There is not only strength in unity, but there is also a wholesome-ness in our struggle when toddlers to students, to clergymen, to grandmas demand systemic change. Most recently, the people of Iceland took the chance. So should we..
10th track: (Tossing Shit)
As We have nothing to back-up our stated positions (opt-out fiction = public self defeating) - We will do our best to throw it back on ( put a lie on) any who would ask for details of our non-existent action plans (Ya know......those who put the lie to our bullshit - "who shine the light on our bullshit").
The putdown we use on others is simple - and with it in play - we then retreat - to our constant tactic of providing nothing while saying much (politi-speak = talking endlessly while saying "really" nothing at all - nothing of any value - see also: endlessly arguing circular "public self defeating" logic).
Tossing shit - we love it.
Fair enough. 1)How was Hillary beaten by Barack Obama for the Democratic Party Nomination in 2008? 2)How and when were Independent Voters who were leaning Republican during the General Election persuaded to vote for he Democratic Nominee? 3)What is the name of the person who turned Independents for Obama? If you knew the answers to any of the questions posed,you would have given them.So I'm sure your reply will consist of more empty,joyless mockery and Ad Hominem attacks.That you might expound on how a study of how Hillary was successfully challenged in the past by a long shot upstart would be TOO MUCH TO HOPE FOR.
1st track: (Dancing) "When we want to change the subject to put it back on someone else - because we can't defend a position that we have been pressured on - ooo look something shiny - and we will be relentless repeating it to infinity in every place we can find to place it"
dancing............ Dancing............. DANCING................ we're a dancing machine
Ah baby
Move it baby
dancing . . . Dancing . . . DANCING . . .
. . . . we're a dancing machine . . . Ah baby
Move it baby
We dance to avoid to evade as we got nothing to provide . . . . Who needs substance - dancing is easier to do then actually most anything else . . . . . .
cause we're dancing............ Dancing............. DANCING................ we're a dancing machine . . . . . . ooo LOOK something shiny . . . . .
Well-if Bernie's Gonna Win,might it not be reasonable to suppose that a study of how that might be done,and indeed HAS been done in the past might be of help? Or do we just keep saying Bernie's Gonna Win until...oh-sorry! PERISH THE THOUGHT!
Then we spose to vote for Hillary, and the neocons... again!
One thing neither Bernie nor anyone else is going to be able to do is peddle Hope or Change.That's not going to be possible again until Generation Fucked is dead and gone in about 60 years.Hillary doesn't need Hope or Change.She has all the people who voted for her in the 2008 primary,all of the people who switched,and all of the Independents who won't vote for another Bush.
9th track: (Take no action) "as Nothing can be done - believe us!"
We support the status quo of handing the USA over to the 1% - but that just don't float - so instead we urge taking no action and clothe it in an appearence to be rebelling against the system - and we are so happy that few catch on to these facts
Because you know we're all about that base, 'Public base, to take no action
We're all 'bout that base, 'Public base, take no action We're all 'bout that base, 'Public base, take no action We're all 'bout that base, 'Public base
Yeah it's pretty clear, we ain't for you
But we can shake it, shake it like we're supposed to do
'Cause We got that boom boom that all the 1%'s chase
All the right crap spread in all the right places
We see the citizens groups working that action to take
We know that shit ain't real (believe us)
Come on now, make it stop ( as we like things the way they are)
If you got apathy apathy - just raise it up
'Cause every inch of you is perfect
From the bottom to the top
Yeah, our Koch he told us don't worry about your stance
He says, people they like a little more BS to hold to at night
You know we won't support no publc-figure, speaking truth to all,
So, if that's what's you're into
Then go ahead and move along
Because you know we're all about that base, 'Public base, to take no action
We're all 'bout that base, 'Public base, take no action We're all 'bout that base, 'Public base, take no action We're all 'bout that base, 'Public base
We're bringing doody back
Go ahead and tell them citizens groups hey
No, We're not playing - you stink - you're naive,
We're here to tell you,
Every inch of you is played from from the cradle to the grave
Yeah, our Koch told us don't worry about your stance
He says, people they like a little more BS to hold at night
You know we won't support no publc-figure, speaking truth to all,
So, if that's what's you're into
Then go ahead and move along
Because you know we're all about that base, 'Public base, to take no action
We're all 'bout that base, 'Public base, take no action We're all 'bout that base, 'Public base, take no action We're all 'bout that base, 'Public base
Because you know we're all about that base, 'Public base, to take no action
We're all 'bout that base, 'Public base, take no action We're all 'bout that base, 'Public base, take no action We're all 'bout that base, 'Public base
Because you know we're all about that base, 'Public base, to take no action
We're all 'bout that base, 'Public base, take no action We're all 'bout that base, 'Public base, take no action We're all 'bout that base, 'Public base
Forum voting is important for that very reason. Through voting we could see what comments most people agreed with or disagreed with. This is why the Democrat co-opters of the forum wanted to eliminate the voting. It doesn't work for them because true occupiers don't buy into their crap. The danger now, and a very sad thing, is that now whoever is most recently commenting is on BCT. BCT means nothing anymore. It doesn't represent what the posters are thinking, only what one poster is thinking. So, those who have time to vomit all over this place will show up there the most. It's pathetic and a very bad decision. I for one feel that I earned my right to vote and I'd like it back.
To my bad probably, I don't put much time and energy into how the two parties screw each other, but realize that it can be a barometer on how they could insidiously operate on our struggle. I do see what you mean about the BCT, and how that works for the most prolific posters, not the best comments. It is how that the corrupted posters try to quell our rebellion is what concerns me most.
Not to mention, how, with no voting on the forum, the best comments do not go to the top of threads, BCT aside. So, it is very difficult even to read here these days. But tyrants abound, that is the whole reason why Occupy started in the first place, greedy tyrants. And, of course they are still at it trying to quash this thing.
The forum did not get to this point due to the admistration's oversight. It was no mistake either. As much effort as you and the many other good posters have put in on this co-opted forum, rest assured, our movement will never die.
19th track "(We are not about Democracy)"
As some can plainly see
We feign to support it
While doing our best to get the public not to participate to own it or control it
We spout propaganda while trying to expound that the public is unable to make a difference and so should just protest instead of voting out those working against them - as that would be futile
Thus we get a lot of mileage to argue our meaningless "public self defeating" circular logic arguments - that to make a difference one must opt out
So now you are conflating the CORRUPY politicians in the Democractic Party with us having a "Democracy"? How long have you been *shilling for the Democrats? Your views have little to do with Occupy.
16th track "(When we conflate the dems with the rethuglicans)"
We are doing our best to prevent legitimate debate.
As - we can't have people considering matters like:
Who supports access to Health care for all
Who attacks and denies Health care for all
or
Who supports raising taxes on the wealthy
Who attacks raising taxes on the wealthy
or
Who supports expanding Social Security
Who attacks Social Security
or
Who promotes environmental standards and protective restrictions
Who attacks environmental standards and protective restrictions
I mean if we do not shut this stuff down it becomes pretty easy to see that we really can't conflate the dems as being exactly the same as the rethuglicans.
We need to support our meaningless "public self defeating" circular logic arguments - that to gain participatory democracy and control of government - that the people need to opt out.
Part of the reason why the voting was suspended may be to remove the vulnerability for those who make dozens of posts.Such behavior can't be penalized or curbed by us by removing points now.A person formerly wanting to overwhelm the Forum with 20 or thirty posts couldn't be stopped,but that person could expect to lose at least one point per post and might thus make fewer posts.This new regime will result in total nullification of all discussion,because there is no longer even that slight penalty for spamming,electioneering,propaganda or off the shelf style Ad Hominem attacks.You'll have to excuse me.I feel the need to take a moment to Weep Uncontrollably.
Hi trashyharry, just getting some of my notifications now from weeks ago, so sorry for the delay in resonding.
Re: the voting, all they had to do here on the forum was eliminate the 1 point that everyone got every time they simply said something here. Just think, how many points would some people who never get voted up have at this point if that had been the case all along. Very few, is my guess.
We forge on despite the tyranny! Solidarity!
As always - you miss out on the important (real votes/voting in the real world) and instead focus on the insignificant ( meaningless votes on a forum).
Way to go!!!
Meaningless! Oh bully boy they weren't meaningless to you. You didn't like that you weren't getting voted up so you squashed the voting. Now, I dare you, don't remove this comment. And, please quit replying to comments that are NOT TO YOU!
You want a private conversation? Do it privately. On PMs or something. I could give a damn about the voting - unlike some petty individuals (look in the mirror) - as voting "here" means nothing - nothing at all - it is voting in the real world that can make a difference.
Why have a conversation in private about what you do so publicly here?
The voting mattered to you because you weren't on top of the BCT so you killed the BCT.
In fact, the BCT was very important. It was how we occupiers as well as visitors could see what comments were the most relevant and important to the movement. Now it's just a jambalaya and nothing can be discerned easily.
Jambalaya is a perfect analogy...really hard to find the shrimp and that was a lot of the problem things fell apart...lack of focus I remember every hour it was changing from native american land rights to marijuana and whatever tangential cause someone felt like protesting the kindergarten mic thing repeating stuff like children to banging on bongos. Serious movements need organization...and unity . The points were about organizing what people paying attention to this movement want to see at the forefront ...so now we are back to reading pot leaves to tell which direction this thing is going or if we still care to be part of it...right now facts r fun has turned it into a Bernie Sanders campaign. Meanwhile I would like to know how people feel about the TPP. This was the place I could come to to identify when I hear noone else around me discussing these very important issues. I can get election talk or marijuana legalization on msm. I can get news on Truth Out or other sources...specifically i come on here to get the opinions of people sharing our cause but now I can't tell what the consensus is or figure out if my opinions are shared. Lack of organization / points could explain why so few people on here anymore. And yeaah the points give some people incentive to come back on and check out if people dug their comment that they took time to write and kept people engaged (vanity or not isnt this what you want?) Something to consider...
"The points were about organizing what people paying attention to this movement want to see at the forefront."
"..specifically i come on here to get the opinions of people sharing our cause but now I can't tell what the consensus is or figure out if my opinions are shared."
Well said, as usual, elf. And, guess what? My boxes are sunk so far and in the wrong direction with newest at the bottom that I can't even see when someone has replied to me. So, I'm starting to click through them now. Sorry for taking so long to reply. I agree with every word you said.
Man aren't you just so totally lame. You don't know when someone has responded to you? Even when - that they do that - that you get a message notification that brings you right to their comment to you? Perhaps you should have your life guide track these things for you - like they must have to do to get you to the bathroom and stuff.
Whatever bitch&piss&moanworld - you are just angry because it takes your constant attention and effort to control what goes onto the best comment board now - and yes - I think you miss your personal vanity points as well.
"[-] 0 points by DKAtoday (28700) from Coon Rapids, MN 3 minutes ago
Bitchworld considering how much I hate you for being an apologist for any group who commits crimes against humanity - WHY - WHY - would I - if I had the power - let you hang around here? Hhmmmmmmm? ↥twinkle ↧stinkle permalink"
Riiiiight. When you can't answer a question in a civil manner, that's where you go. To the fact that I'm for the freedom of the Palestinian people and the ending of their apartheid.
See, now, and that's where we differ because if I had the power, I wouldn't ban you, I'd simply put you on a level playing field with everyone else, but you are all about controlling and removing and banning. Look deeply at yourself, would you?
Look deeply at yourself, would you? Because being an apologist for crimes against humanity - no matter who is committing the crimes - is not in any stretch of the imagination - OK.
I've never had a sock puppet. That takes a lot of nerve of you to say that to me. Who do you think you are? The King of Occupy?! There is no such thing. Who told you that you were in charge of what Occupy stands for and that you are the arbiter of all occupy thoughts? And that you can accuse me of having sock puppets?
And, you don't want the upvote because you're afraid you won't be upvoted.
I really don't understand why you have any moderating powers in the first place. It's a conflict of interest for a moderator to be as invested in the goings on on the forum, in the first place.
Bitchworld considering how much I hate you for being an apologist for any group who commits crimes against humanity - WHY - WHY - would I - if I had the power - let you hang around here? Hhmmmmmmm?
You are so very disrespectful of all the posters who have been here longer than you. You completely disrespect their right to vote on the comments they like.
Okay, here's a challenge. Remove the total points next to each person's name, including mine and yours, and bring back the upvote, the twinkle. No points for simply making a comment and no ability to downvote or stinkle. Just a twinkle. I'd be good with that. Would you be? Try not to go ad hominem. Just think about a possible solution that would be much more fair to everyone here.
Right, BradB, people should at least be able to moderate their own threads. That is a good suggestion. And, thanks for the info on the upcoming forums. You'll be able to find me on twitter @4beautifulworld. Peace.
Responding to myself in hopes that you'll see because your reply to me was ended, lol.
bw ... SmashBull.com & OccupyFaqs.com.... are coming soon.... there will be no moderators ... except for the creators of their own thread/s ... if they choose so ... however I seriously do not believe anyone still here will waist time posting ona moderated page... :) ... there will also be no negative point giving ... etc
and for some of the nasty members... we can simply chose to not see their posts if we wish ...
You want point totals removed? So do I. SO. Ask jart if she will do so.
Why have an up-vote at all? All that does is allow you and your cronies to continue to play your twinkle/stinkle domination of the best comment board.
How about you be happy with no votes whatsoever as well as no personal vote totals?
Maybe you could even get jart to reopen the sign-up page - and you could create more sock puppets again.
Says a stinkle teamer.
13th track: (Stinkle teaming away) "one of our very favorites - we can bully and manipulate the boards by teaming up to stinkle comments or twinkle our BS - but we really hate it if anyone calls us out on it - and it drives us insane if we are subjected to anything like it ourselves."
Stinkle teaming away Stinkle teaming away You know the nearer your proactive destination The more we’re gonna try to stinkle team you away
We know a man He came from my hometown He shared his passion for this world in deeds that needed to be done
He said, world, I live in fear My love for you’s so overpowering and I’m afraid that you will be disappeared”
We had stinkle teamed Him away Stinkle teamed Him away You know the nearer your proactive destination The more we’re gonna try to stinkle team you away
And, We know a woman Became an advocate to support life These are the very words she uses to describe her life She said, “A good day Ain’t got no stinkle team” She said, “A bad day’s when I lie in bed And think of things that should have been”
We had stinkle teamed Her away Stinkle teamed Her away You know the nearer your proactive destination The more we’re gonna try to stinkle team you away
And We know a father Who had a son He longed to tell him all the reasons For the things that needed be done He came a long way Just to explain He kissed his boy as he lay sleeping Then he turned around and headed home again
We had stinkle teamed Him away Stinkle teamed Him away You know the nearer your proactive destination The more we’re gonna try to stinkle team you away
We say "God only knows God makes his plan" We say "The information’s unavailable To the mortal man" We want You to work your jobs Collect your pay To believe you’re gliding down the highway When in fact you’ve been stinkle teamed away
Stinkle teaming away Stinkle teaming away You know the nearer your proactive destination The more we’re gonna try to stinkle team you away
Who turned the Independents who were leaning Republican in 2008? What is his name,and who does he work for?
The corrupt two party system fears truly "Independent.." candidates far more than they do each other, so I don't think just one person is to blame. Having a third party candidate like Jill Stein banned from the last debates was a cumulative effort with the crooked Presidential Debate Commission (PDC) assisting. PBS should never have broadcasted that.
You surely remember the release of the awful tape of Mitt Romney talking about how Americans who don't pay income taxes are supported by the remaining 42% and have made a prosperous,happy Way Of Life out of collecting various types of checks.SNAP benefits and the like.The tape was released by David Corn,who was working as a reporter for Mother Jones at the time.Romney essentially lost the election as soon as the tape was released.It is interesting to note that the person who made the tape has never come forward.I regard David Corn as a very obvious Left Gatekeeper.The whole episode REEKS of manipulation,for a number of reasons.Of course many might contend that Romney couldn't have won even had this incident not taken place.I think the Obama Landslide would not have occurred without it.
In one concession Lord Romulous gave a speech to the media stating you aren't American if you don't believe in God. ( um seperation of church and state) I still can't find a replay of this footage ( I watched it live) ...guess it went down the memory hole. And the people who can't tell he has crazy eyes may not be right themselves....also he looks like a guy in a viagra commercial ...his face looks like he is permanently about to orgasm which quite frankly is icky depending on who he is talking to or what he is talking about . I guess with the prospect of winning and making more money he is perpetually about to burst ( like someone playing bingo with one more number to win) ...he is just gross in every way possible...like old guy flirting with teenage girls kind of gross.
Re. Romoney's .. ''you aren't American if you don't believe in God'' - maybe you were thinking of this ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Hp6F5gwpCA + then - compare and contrast the glib, hypocritical platitudes there ... with his real selfish-self here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slFZ8K2aBoY and how he and 0.01% Parasites like him, really view Americans. Cenk Uygur gives a very good reposte to the Rancid, Repugnant, Romulan Psychopathy. Solidarity to you and to your authentic US-99% Voice.
I think romoney ! was thinking of the lessor God .... Gold.Oil &.Drugs
''Rom(o)ney personifies economic parasitism. The financial sector has become a job-destroying, home-breaking, life-crushing machine, which impoverishes others to enrich itself. The tighter its grip on politics, the more its representatives must tell the opposite story: of life-affirming enterprise, innovation and investment, of brave entrepreneurs making their fortunes out of nothing but grit and wit.
''Equal opportunity, self-creation, heroic individualism: these are the myths that predatory capitalism requires for its political survival. Romnesia permits the ultra-rich both to deny the role of other people in the creation of their own wealth and to deny help to those less fortunate than themselves. A century ago, entrepreneurs sought to pass themselves off as parasites : they adopted the style and manner of the titled, rentier class. Today the parasites claim to be entrepreneurs.''
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Excerpted from - http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/sep/24/mitt-romney-self-creation-myth ... Romoney epitomises the conceits, delusions, exceptionalism and hubris of THE most self-entitled' class in the US - The 0.01%, ''Elite'' Parasite Class. The 99% in the USA have been at the receiving end of of a two generation 'Class War' as waged by Warren Buffet's class. He admitted it! Romoney made his money at ''Bain C(r)apital'' .. where Bendyermind Nutjobyahoo, was a colleague.
Interesting theory and truth is difficult to know. What is important to me is manipulation has become very effective in preventing "Arab Springs", and Occupy type movements. Not necessarily the movements themselves, but the conclusions the masses come to after a movement has its moment in time. Obama himself has mentioned cynicism as growing out of control and how it's important that we remain reasonable, that our government could not possibly be so corrupt that, "good people", would ever allow things to get that bad.
There must be plans for the future, and it's important that the "mob" doesn't know the plans, and how to prevent the masses from using democracy to alter government by demanding justice.
A few weeks before the process needed to start The Railroading of the TPP,a serious obstacle simply just went away and was replaced by around 200 pounds of grease for the skids.What obstacle? Why,Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid had a very well timed and convenient Accident which was not witnessed by anyone,and which was serious enough that he decided to Retire immediately afterwards.Never mind that knuckle marks can clearly be seen in photographs of the Senator's face.The Senator says he had a tussle with a Nordic Trak,so THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED.And the 200 pounds of Grease? Why,none other than ZioCorporatist Extraordinaire,Senator Chuck Shumer.Fast Track has no longer any problem in the Senate,and it all happened because those who favor the TPP are just Lucky-that's all.
Corporatist don't leave much to luck or risk. I speculate about their plans regularly but worry about running down a rabbit trail. Currency wars still seem to be the only way to fight the BIS and the US military. My son continues to ask me why wouldn't they want things to stay exactly the way they are now? It's hard to argue with that conclusion, but desire for more control comes to mind. There have always been people who want to control the world, controlling the skies may already be possible for the US military including drones and satellites. What are they planning?
Capitalism has collapsed.There is no way the mass of people can be maintained on unemployment,SNAP,and Social Security forever.The number currently subsisting that way will have to be drastically reduced,even as the numbers of unemployed grow.Corporate and the top Quintile are not planning on paying taxes in the US any longer.Why would they do that? They will pay in the countries where their enterprises are located.They will pay taxes for schools for their workers,infrastructure to benefit their enterprises,security,public health-all of that.They are not going to pay anything in taxes to pay for those things here.The result will be civil unrest-here,in Europe and in Japan,where the same thing is happening.I'm sure they are well prepared for any type of mass uprising of an Anticapitalist nature.I feel that the situation confronting them involves too many variables,and that their plans and even their huge resources will not be adequate to control outcomes.The situation is developing.I feel that the strategy being employed by Occupy and Anonymous is the correct one-for now.Structures that don't exist can't be smashed. Leaders can't be arrested or murdered if there are no leaders.Organizations can't be infiltrated until they are organized.Et Cetera.
The NPA (no party associated) conservatives ? I don't know. I'm sure you'll tell me though. I can always count on you for a shiny object.
STINKLE #10 for DK for thinking that there is a conspiracy against him and his beloved DEMOCRATIC machine that he supports on an Occupy forum.
10th track: (Tossing Shit)
As We have nothing to back-up our stated positions (opt-out fiction = public self defeating) - We will do our best to throw it back on ( put a lie on) any who would ask for details of our non-existent action plans (Ya know......those who put the lie to our bullshit - "who shine the light on our bullshit").
The putdown we use on others is simple - and with it in play - we then retreat - to our constant tactic of providing nothing while saying much (politi-speak = talking endlessly while saying "really" nothing at all - nothing of any value - see also: endlessly arguing circular "public self defeating" logic).
Tossing shit - we love it.
STINKLE #11 for DK... For being the biggest "aspersion" caster and 'manipulator' on here, while falsely accusing accusing others of being so. I will never listen to, or be questioned by a party hack,who is uneducable.' You forgot to add more people to your shit-list. Your opposition is really growing!
The only thing new around here - is - that you stinkle teamers can't gang-up in silence anymore.
Really cramps your style to have to come scurrying out from under the refrigerator while the lights are on - Hey? Makes your gang activity so much more apparent.
STINKLE # !2 - For referring to people as "stinkle teamers" whose ideals are far closer to Occupy's than his beloved, corrupt Democrats. Just because there is only you and a couple of other Democrats pushing their partisan shit, that does not mean all the other people who don't are a scurrilous gang. That is really twisted thinking. You're the one who is trying to coopt this movement, not me!
19th track "(We are not about Democracy)"
As some can plainly see
We feign to support it
While doing our best to get the public not to participate to own it or control it
We spout propaganda while trying to expound that the public is unable to make a difference and so should just protest instead of voting out those working against them - as that would be futile
Thus we get a lot of mileage to argue our meaningless "public self defeating" circular logic arguments - that to make a difference one must opt out
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20th track "(We really really really are not about Direct Democracy)"
As people could tell if only people paid attention to our activities
Lucky for us the people do not and so we can continue with our politi-speak = talking endlessly while saying "really" nothing at all - nothing of any value - see also: endlessly arguing circular "public self defeating" logic, tossing shit, spouting specious aspersions, trying to hide in the light, etc etc etc
Lucky thing that more people don't ask us why:
"Why don't you take over government for the people from within?"
"Seeing as you don't have a national party in place to successfully run your candidates in all 50 states - WHY don't you run your candidates as dems and reps?"
Well we would just have to say (and we do) that the people can't be successful that way. Better we say - if we all stay away - and just protest for government to get better.
We really do not want people to consider a possible winner by doing things like Bernie Sanders and run as a dem for a real chance to win - and have "more" people running on the issues where they can legitimately destroy their opponents in office or also running for office - by pointing out past voting records showing non support for the people - even showing active attacks on the people - or even calling on them to declare a public stance.
Gosh that would ruin our whole "public self defeating" circular do nothing opt out and just protest logic.
STINKLE #13 - For wanting us to join the corrupt system. Why are you here? Oh that's right to bring us into the corrupt Democratic Party!
http://occupywallst.org/forum/rejoice-no-more-stinkletinkle-team-point-system-ab/
One would think that one so impassioned as you - about your voting privilege ( so sorry - your right) - would be more concerned about making your real world voting effective rather than piss and moan about what you want to do on a forum.
One would think that one so impassioned as YOU - about your voting privilege (so sorry - you're right, ha!) - would be at least a LITTLE concerned about voting on the forum that you post on ALL THE TIME. You being so FOR democracy. But, nah, you just want to piss and moan about how disliked you are here and eliminate the bit of democracy we had here in this community, a community that means a lot to a lot of people and not just you. Get it? This forum and Occupy Wall Street is not all about you, it's actually NOT about you AT ALL, but you've tried to make it so and it's disgusting.
10th track: (Tossing Shit)
As We have nothing to back-up our stated positions (opt-out fiction = public self defeating) - We will do our best to throw it back on ( put a lie on) any who would ask for details of our non-existent action plans (Ya know......those who put the lie to our bullshit - "who shine the light on our bullshit").
The putdown we use on others is simple - and with it in play - we then retreat - to our constant tactic of providing nothing while saying much (politi-speak = talking endlessly while saying "really" nothing at all - nothing of any value - see also: endlessly arguing circular "public self defeating" logic).
Tossing shit - we love it.
Will you be adding this woman to your EVER GROWING shit list too? And will you continue to cast "aspersions" at people when they believe in most of the principles of Occupy. Do they serve lunch at the DNC?
10th track: (Tossing Shit)
As We have nothing to back-up our stated positions (opt-out fiction = public self defeating) - We will do our best to throw it back on ( put a lie on) any who would ask for details of our non-existent action plans (Ya know......those who put the lie to our bullshit - "who shine the light on our bullshit").
The putdown we use on others is simple - and with it in play - we then retreat - to our constant tactic of providing nothing while saying much (politi-speak = talking endlessly while saying "really" nothing at all - nothing of any value - see also: endlessly arguing circular "public self defeating" logic).
Tossing shit - we love it.
Occupy Wall Street does not advocate the status quo the way this poster does. Occupy Wall Street has maintained that we need to work outside the political system to effectuate real change. The movement was started by radicals and it remains a radical movement to this day.
Occupy Wall Street does not endorse political parties in any way. See @occupywallstnyc on twitter. Read the rules to post on that twitter account here: http://www.occupywallst.nyc/tweetship
Mainly, Occupy Wall Street, if you had to sum it up in one sentence is that it is an anti-capitalist movement. You can't be anti-capitalist and support the current political system. So, anyone here posting for a political party is pro-capitalist and is therefore, not an occupier.
Do you deny that Occupy came out and publicly endorsed Move To Amend?
STINKLE #9 for DK... For more twisted thinking. So that's your reason that we should fill the place up with low-life sell-outs, like the D's or R's.
10th track: (Tossing Shit)
As We have nothing to back-up our stated positions (opt-out fiction = public self defeating) - We will do our best to throw it back on ( put a lie on) any who would ask for details of our non-existent action plans (Ya know......those who put the lie to our bullshit - "who shine the light on our bullshit").
The putdown we use on others is simple - and with it in play - we then retreat - to our constant tactic of providing nothing while saying much (politi-speak = talking endlessly while saying "really" nothing at all - nothing of any value - see also: endlessly arguing circular "public self defeating" logic).
Tossing shit - we love it.
I am not campaigning for a political party - I am however pointing out good people to support in an effort to take control of the government by the people.
you can rightly accuse me of campaigning against the rethuglicans in office (state and federal)
Declaration of the Occupation of New York City
As we gather together in solidarity to express a feeling of mass injustice, we must not lose sight of what brought us together. We write so that all people who feel wronged by the corporate forces of the world can know that we are your allies.
As one people, united, we acknowledge the reality: that the future of the human race requires the cooperation of its members; that our system must protect our rights, and upon corruption of that system, it is up to the individuals to protect their own rights, and those of their neighbors; that a democratic government derives its just power from the people, but corporations do not seek consent to extract wealth from the people and the Earth; and that no true democracy is attainable when the process is determined by economic power. We come to you at a time when corporations, which place profit over people, self-interest over justice, and oppression over equality, run our governments. We have peaceably assembled here, as is our right, to let these facts be known.
Why didn't they suggest that everyone vote for dems?
Ask them.
Now how about You answer a question that You should be able to - as You said that you had an answer:
http://occupywallst.org/forum/its-a-rethuglican-thang-dont-let-anyone-tell-ya-di/#comment-1059720
Why did they leave out the suggestion to vote for democrats?
Try to answer a direct question 1st instead of dodging evading:
http://occupywallst.org/forum/its-a-rethuglican-thang-dont-let-anyone-tell-ya-di/#comment-1059720
But I expect your just gonna continue with:
10th track: (Tossing Shit)
As We have nothing to back-up our stated positions (opt-out fiction = public self defeating) - We will do our best to throw it back on ( put a lie on) any who would ask for details of our non-existent action plans (Ya know......those who put the lie to our bullshit - "who shine the light on our bullshit").
The putdown we use on others is simple - and with it in play - we then retreat - to our constant tactic of providing nothing while saying much (politi-speak = talking endlessly while saying "really" nothing at all - nothing of any value - see also: endlessly arguing circular "public self defeating" logic).
Tossing shit - we love it.
TWINKLE..must read post, thanks bw
I agee completely. It is not only the people in this movement that know that we live in a duopololy, and know that both parties have been corrupted. Increasingly it is people that I never would have expected, realize it too. I urge you to strike up conversations with people, and see for yourself.
11th track: (We erroneously conflate)
We erroneously conflate the dems and reps - as it provides us with cover as being against the system - while it throws mud at those who do not deserve it - and basically works to help people to choose to opt out of the process rather than make any united attempt to remove the actively evil from government - and so we support the status quo - "of this country being given to the 1%" - while hiding behind a claim of being revolutionary supporters of the people.
16th track "(When we conflate the dems with the rethuglicans)"
We are doing our best to prevent legitimate debate.
As - we can't have people considering matters like:
Who supports access to Health care for all
Who attacks and denies Health care for all
or
Who supports raising taxes on the wealthy
Who attacks raising taxes on the wealthy
or
Who supports expanding Social Security
Who attacks Social Security
or
Who promotes environmental standards and protective restrictions
Who attacks environmental standards and protective restrictions
I mean if we do not shut this stuff down it becomes pretty easy to see that we really can't conflate the dems as being exactly the same as the rethuglicans.
We need to support our meaningless "public self defeating" circular logic arguments - that to gain participatory democracy and control of government - that the people need to opt out.
STINKLE # 14 - For implying that we should join the corrupt system again!. That's just a lot of obfuscating crap to convince us to vote for the lesser of the two evils. Your rap sounds like an Occupier, but on the direction of this movement, you are pure neocon.
I do agree though., the Democrats and Reublicans are not the same. The former are far more insidious, and the latter much more blatant in screwing us.
19th track "(We are not about Democracy)"
As some can plainly see
We feign to support it
While doing our best to get the public not to participate to own it or control it
We spout propaganda while trying to expound that the public is unable to make a difference and so should just protest instead of voting out those working against them - as that would be futile
Thus we get a lot of mileage to argue our meaningless "public self defeating" circular logic arguments - that to make a difference one must opt out
Protesting is hardly the only initiative being undertaken by me, or a whole bunch of people. We do know how you get a perverse sense of enjoyment mocking anyone who does anything else except voting for a corrupted party...AGAIN... Will you be going to another AIPAC ball?
While it may be nice and quiet for you in Coon Rapids, people who want systemic change are very busy with all sorts of things. It's too bad that you have polluted this place so much, turning it into another partisan squabble. Learning anything, or just learning what this revolution is about is not on top of your agenda though, I know. When did you think you knew it all, at a DNC gala?
10th track: (Tossing Shit)
As We have nothing to back-up our stated positions (opt-out fiction = public self defeating) - We will do our best to throw it back on ( put a lie on) any who would ask for details of our non-existent action plans (Ya know......those who put the lie to our bullshit - "who shine the light on our bullshit").
The putdown we use on others is simple - and with it in play - we then retreat - to our constant tactic of providing nothing while saying much (politi-speak = talking endlessly while saying "really" nothing at all - nothing of any value - see also: endlessly arguing circular "public self defeating" logic).
Tossing shit - we love it.
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Occupy has planted the seeds and they will continue to grow. That our politicians are bought by corporations is plain for everyone to see at this point, and that goes for both parties. Everyone knows this, but what to do about it is the complex thing that will take more time.
TWINKLE..Good post bw, the forum shouldn't have been changed.
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TWINKLE... good post. It does seem that they never refer to why OWS began in the first place
13th track: (Stinkle teaming away) "one of our very favorites - we can bully and manipulate the boards by teaming up to stinkle comments or twinkle our BS - but we really hate it if anyone calls us out on it - and it drives us insane if we are subjected to anything like it ourselves."
Stinkle teaming away Stinkle teaming away You know the nearer your proactive destination The more we’re gonna try to stinkle team you away
We know a man He came from my hometown He shared his passion for this world in deeds that needed to be done
He said, world, I live in fear My love for you’s so overpowering and I’m afraid that you will be disappeared”
We had stinkle teamed Him away Stinkle teamed Him away You know the nearer your proactive destination The more we’re gonna try to stinkle team you away
And, We know a woman Became an advocate to support life These are the very words she uses to describe her life She said, “A good day Ain’t got no stinkle team” She said, “A bad day’s when I lie in bed And think of things that should have been”
We had stinkle teamed Her away Stinkle teamed Her away You know the nearer your proactive destination The more we’re gonna try to stinkle team you away
And We know a father Who had a son He longed to tell him all the reasons For the things that needed be done He came a long way Just to explain He kissed his boy as he lay sleeping Then he turned around and headed home again
We had stinkle teamed Him away Stinkle teamed Him away You know the nearer your proactive destination The more we’re gonna try to stinkle team you away
We say "God only knows God makes his plan" We say "The information’s unavailable To the mortal man" We want You to work your jobs Collect your pay To believe you’re gliding down the highway When in fact you’ve been stinkle teamed away
Stinkle teaming away Stinkle teaming away You know the nearer your proactive destination The more we’re gonna try to stinkle team you away
Thanks. Them telling you why, "..OWS began in the first place" would not be congruous with their Democrat storyline.
10th track: (Tossing Shit)
As We have nothing to back-up our stated positions (opt-out fiction = public self defeating) - We will do our best to throw it back on ( put a lie on) any who would ask for details of our non-existent action plans (Ya know......those who put the lie to our bullshit - "who shine the light on our bullshit").
The putdown we use on others is simple - and with it in play - we then retreat - to our constant tactic of providing nothing while saying much (politi-speak = talking endlessly while saying "really" nothing at all - nothing of any value - see also: endlessly arguing circular "public self defeating" logic).
Tossing shit - we love it.
And there ya go again = It's all about the dems bout the dems never rethuglicans
You never state anything bad about the (your) rethuglicans - no no of course not - because apparently to you and your buddies - the rethuglicans are all very misunderstood and wrongly maligned Angels.
Here have a good cry over a life long republican that finally woke-up -
http://kos.salsalabs.com/dia/track.jsp?v=2&c=QBrH8q4YgTkAKhmoRJac0MnPkLcYQYo3
AAHHhahahahaha good one = http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/05/20/cnn_will_only_talk_about_hillary_clinton_with_bernie_sanders.html
Bernie does not get steered down a baited course of attacking Hillary.
Instead Bernie talks about the issues.
The Blitzer repeatedly tries to get Bernie to talk for Hillary - Bernie puts it back on the Blitzer -
"I don't know what her stance is she hasn't said - you will have to ask her that yourself"
Really liked the way Bernie talked about reality and blew-up Blitzers' attempts to sidetrack.
Bernie's been doing this a long time :).
How come no answer to my reply to you below, factsrfun?
I'll repeat it:
"I do declare. It appears you are trying to weaken your beloved Hillary. My, my. You are either a dissembler neocon hiding as a Democrat (I'd put my money there) or really stupid.
And for your information, the Green Party has a platform. See it here:
http://www.gp.org/what-we-believe/our-platform
It is much more aligned with the Occupy Wall Street movement than the Democrats or Republicans will ever be."
I'll be looking forward to your response.....
I do declare. It appears you are trying to weaken your beloved Hillary. My, my. You are either a dissembler neocon hiding as a Democrat (I'd put my money there) or really stupid.
And for your information, the Green Party has a platform. See it here:
http://www.gp.org/what-we-believe/our-platform
It is much more aligned with the Occupy Wall Street movement than the Democrats or Republicans will ever be.
I do declare that maybe you will see some day how completely stupid it is to allow the GOP to win elections.
The Green Party is full of ego whores who would burn the planet to get a few votes. It don't matter what they say, it matters what they do, the Greens elect the GOP. The Greens are such ego whores they think what they say is more important than what actually happens to millions of real people or even the whole planet.
You are aware that this is the Occupy Wall Street forum, not the "Democratic Party" forum or "Republican Party" forum? Occupy Wall Street is not a "progressive" movement. It's to the left of that. Your little world is just so black and white that you think Dems are left and Reps are right. It's pretty funny but also kinda sad because you are such a loud mouth and you spew the most ridiculous stuff like saying the Green party got the Reps elected. No, the Green Party platform, as you so obviously ignored my link above, has absolutely nothing to do with the Republican platform and in fact, is much more in line with Occupy. Which is where you are posting!!!
The Green Party is full of political hacks that don't give a damn about this country, the planet, or anything except their pathetic dreams of power. If you trust anything a pack of political hacks put on a piece of paper you are way too gullible.
OWS is about addressing wealth inequality and the power of money in politics by whatever means at the people's disposal, but most of all it is about speaking truth to power, TRUTH being the operative word. Of course it will take far more than just a once every two year vote to completely change this system, but at a minimum we must vote and vote wisely, we change the game and we exercise power when we vote wisely, we can get involved in primaries we can support Bernie Sanders and radically change this system, or we can follow the dreams of ego whores and let the GOP and the 1% keep winning.
Ralph Nader and the Greens gave us W Bush, that's a fact and he and they knew it was a possibility when they did it and they didn't care, they are all monsters.
Green Party Platform:
http://www.gp.org/what-we-believe/our-platform
Why don't you let people decide for themselves what they believe. Why are you so intent on telling people how to vote? I thought this was a free democracy.
Why are you upset with what people on Wall Street are doing? Are you upset over CU? If so, why? It is only about people voting. Do you care about anything?
What does it matter what a bunch of lairs write down on paper. the Greens are a bunch of ego whores that don't give a damn if W Bush or Jeb! is in the White House so long as they get a little publicity.
Are we to believe the Greens could find no difference between W Bush and Al Gore? They are a bunch of lying ego whores that don't give a damn about the environment!
And yet there you are, vouching for a party that does nothing but further the gap.
Wall St is at records right now, with your lunatics of choice still controlling 2/3rds of this train wreck of a system.
It is you who is the hack. Or just dumb.
I speak of defeating the GOP of running republicans from office by whatever means necessary,.
It is you who is always endorsing the GOP and supporting them for office and vouching for them.
I simply point out how completely stupid it is to allow the GOP to win, it is you who are always vouching for them saying it's not so bad.
What 2/3 do you speak of? Of course we all know your real concern is that the government cut taxes because you somehow think that's the right thing to do.
I've never seen turbo "endorse.. the GOP and supporting them for office and vouching for them.." Are you lying again? Just because you are a shill for the CORRUPT DEMOCRATS does not mean that you should be a low-life too.
Turbo is a GOP loving con who hates the government.
I dislike the government we have now, because it is comprised of CORRUPT Democrats and Republicans. That does not make me a con.
Electing Republicans is what makes you a con. You offer no answer when asked why do you think it is ok to let the GOP win, because you want the GOP to win.
turbo is a con because he wants to cut taxes and government, he is simply a con he would prefer the 1% make all the rules, instead of just most
21st track "(All we have is rhetoric)"
We hope that that is enough to get you to agree to do nothing.
OH - but we don't mind if while taking no action to take control of government in a legal manner - that you go out and legally protest how shitty things are and get beaten up and arrested (illegally) by the cops.
If you protest often enough while taking no political action to take control of government - we fully expect that martial law could be called down upon you.
But HEY - that's OK with Us - because we are all about supporting the 1%er status-quo. How better can we protect that then by getting you all to do nothing in the political arena in your state or for your federal representation.
YOUR Democratic Party, just like the Republicans was bought out by BIG money!! YOUR President is living proof of what garbage they are! That's why Occupy, and a whole mess of altruistic groups came into existence.
21st track "(All we have is rhetoric)"
We hope that that is enough to get you to agree to do nothing.
OH - but we don't mind if while taking no action to take control of government in a legal manner - that you go out and legally protest how shitty things are and get beaten up and arrested (illegally) by the cops.
If you protest often enough while taking no political action to take control of government - we fully expect that martial law could be called down upon you.
But HEY - that's OK with Us - because we are all about supporting the 1%er status-quo. How better can we protect that then by getting you all to do nothing in the political arena in your state or for your federal representation.
18th track "(In order to decieve)"
We will act naive. Yes we know what is going on as we've been here all along - we will just pretend to be new - to screw with you. It is part of our tinkle/stinkle team review.
When you notice this we will quickly go back to politi-speak = talking endlessly while saying "really" nothing at all - nothing of any value - see also: endlessly arguing circular "public self defeating" logic, tossing shit, spouting specious aspersions, trying to hide in the light, etc etc
Nothing in the political World is more "self defeating" than voting for more CORRUPT Democrats or Republicans.
20th track "(We really really really are not about Direct Democracy)"
As people could tell if only people paid attention to our activities
Lucky for us the people do not and so we can continue with our politi-speak = talking endlessly while saying "really" nothing at all - nothing of any value - see also: endlessly arguing circular "public self defeating" logic, tossing shit, spouting specious aspersions, trying to hide in the light, etc etc etc
Lucky thing that more people don't ask us why:
"Why don't you take over government for the people from within?"
"Seeing as you don't have a national party in place to successfully run your candidates in all 50 states - WHY don't you run your candidates as dems and reps?"
Well we would just have to say (and we do) that the people can't be successful that way. Better we say - if we all stay away - and just protest for government to get better.
We really do not want people to consider a possible winner by doing things like Bernie Sanders and run as a dem for a real chance to win - and have "more" people running on the issues where they can legitimately destroy their opponents in office or also running for office - by pointing out past voting records showing non support for the people - even showing active attacks on the people - or even calling on them to declare a public stance.
Gosh that would ruin our whole "public self defeating" circular do nothing opt out and just protest logic.
There is nothing deceptive about saying the Democrats and Republicans are CORRUPTED beyond repair. I would think the person (YOU DK) that forwards the untruth that yet MORE parDisan polictics is what this revolution needs, is the one who is a 'master of deception'. In 3 1/2 years in Occupy, including at least 150 trips to NYC, I know of no one like you. Thanks though, you have prepared me and other posters as to how the criminal elite operate.
19th track "(We are not about Democracy)"
As some can plainly see
We feign to support it
While doing our best to get the public not to participate to own it or control it
We spout propaganda while trying to expound that the public is unable to make a difference and so should just protest instead of voting out those working against them - as that would be futile
Thus we get a lot of mileage to argue our meaningless "public self defeating" circular logic arguments - that to make a difference one must opt out
Yes, I know YOU and your beloved CORRUPT Democrats are "..not about Democracy.." 'They' have quit being a party for the people a long time ago, and YOU will do anything that you can so that the applecart is not upset.. That includes YOU removing posts from people who disagree with you. I can "plainly see" that, and so can many other people here who read your parDisan bullshit.
BTW, last night I read that the Green Party will be joining in on a lawsuit against the PDC because of them barring third party participation in the Presidential debates. 'They are a 'CORRUPT partisan institution too. Don't you reckon? And to top it off, Jill Stein will be running for President? Yaah! Will your CORRUPT Democrats, and Republicans be arresting her again, like they did in 2012, if she shows up at the debates?