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Forum Post: Clinton discusses Morsy and Egypt’s political transition

Posted 5 years ago on Jan. 30, 2013, 11:51 a.m. EST by GirlFriday (17435)
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On Morsy she said: “I think he has a lot of the right intentions.” She added that there are things that he has done which the US has approved of and other things it did not approve of, such as “abrogating a lot of power unto himself personally, reinstating emergency law provisions that had been a hallmark of the Mubarak regime.”

Clinton expressed that the issue of Egyptian border security is a big problem, specifically weapons smuggling. She said: “we need to reassert order in the Sinai. It’s in Egypt’s interest; it’s in Israel’s interest.” She highlighted the importance stopping Hamas from attacking Israel saying that this could have a negative impact upon Egypt if the situation becomes “uncontrollable.”




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[-] 1 points by JackHall (413) 5 years ago

What would it take to prove that Islam and democracy are immiscible? A leopard doesn’t change its spots, but Clinton and the Obama administration didn’t seemed at all concerned about what the endgame in Egypt would become. Having resigned as Secretary of State, Hillary can take neither credit or blame for the military coup that pushed the reset button for Egyptian politics. While the Egyptian political system reboots we look for signs of civilian upgrades that extends constitutional protections to all Egyptians.

Egyptian President Mohamed by the end of December 2012 had signed into law Egypt’s new constitution, which his fractured opposition had denounced as a betrayal of the original democratic goals of the 2011 revolution against the Hosni Mubarak regime. The constitution was written by an Islamist-dominated assembly that pushed through a draft over the objections of its liberal, secular, and Christian members, many of whom resigned in protest. The new constitution tilts toward the goals of Morsi’s Muslim Brotherhood, which seeks to impose its Islamist ideology on moderate Muslims, secularists, and non-Muslim minorities.

Obama’s comments expressed hopes that the military would return power to the people. But wait. Morsi won the election with 51.7% and then began to construct pro-Islamic government over the objections of non-Islamists, minorities, women, and the poor. Winning by a slim majority doesn’t equate to absolute rule where the head of state is above the law.

A year after coming to office, Egypt’s first democratically elected president was swept aside by the military leaders who long presided over this country and proved Wednesday in a series of extraordinary maneuvers that they never really left.

President Mohamed Morsi’s dramatic fall from power came after months of political turmoil and days of tense protests, as millions of Egyptians took to the streets to call for his exit. Those protesters were jubilant Wednesday night, celebrating the ouster of a leader they viewed as both autocratic and incompetent.

Morsi and the New Egyptian Constitution of 2012

http://blog.heritage.org/2012/12/26/egypt-morsi-regime-rams-through-new-egyptian-constitution/ [right click]

Morsi and the Egyptian Revolution

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/egypts-morsi-defiant-under-pressure-as-deadline-looms/2013/07/03/28fda81c-e39d-11e2-80eb-3145e2994a55_story.html [right click]

Where was Obama on July 4th? President Barack Obama used his weekly address to urge Americans on the Fourth of July to live up to the words of the Declaration of Independence by securing liberty and opportunity for their own children as well as for future generations. In his weekly radio and online address, Obama commemorated the Fourth of July by looking back at the day in 1776, 237 years ago, that a small band of patriots declared those in the American colonies “a people created equal” — free to think and worship and live as they please.

“It was a declaration heard around the world – that we were no longer colonists, we were Americans, and our destiny would not be determined for us; it would be determined by us,” the president said.

A Beacon Hope

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/07/04/obama-praises-america-as-a-beacon-of-hope-that-defends-peace-and-freedom-around-the-globe-in-july-4-address/ [right click]

Obama should ask as much from American multinationals and the banking industry. July 4th is the traditional Independence Day holiday. Consider how independent is the United States now as multinational corporations and private enterprise have cherry picked the best industries in the country, packaged them, and shipped them overseas to reap huge profits from cheap labor as the American worker takes cuts in pay, fewer benefits, ridiculous working conditions and less job security. The country that invented television, electronic computers, airplanes and the telephone is being outflanked by “owners” of technology who had little to do with the “creation” of it.

The main point of the revolution has been missed. Americans have sat by stolen elections, a coupe d’etat by SCOTUS, continue to see jobs shipped overseas, see banks robbing us everyday, and then the Mayor of New York actively advocating more gun control.

The Egyptians asked the military to stage a coupe d’etat to remove Morsi from office. Our Pentagon lost $2.3 trillion in one year the Secretary of Defense reported on September 10, 2001. Don't call the Pentagon. (We can't afford it.)

[-] 0 points by mideast (506) 5 years ago

We should thank Morsi for teaching us a very good lesson -
that America has no experience with -
political democracy and religious dictatorship don't mix

[-] 0 points by JackHall (413) 5 years ago

Agreed. The US President should know this already. This is not a rehearsal. Mubarak should have been defended. Obama lived in Indonesia as a child between 1967 and 1971, from age 7 to 11. What were you doing when you were that age? Indonesia has been predominately Muslim for over 600 years.

[-] -2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 5 years ago

Pffft............did you really just bring me a bunch of shit from right wing crap?

[-] 1 points by JackHall (413) 5 years ago

Allowing the core high technology, manufacturing and steel production industries to be packed up and moved to countries where labor is paid $15/day or less, while American workers would be paid $30/hour , where this stuff was invented, is proof the United States has lost its independence to globalization. This isn't rightwing crap.

The telephone, integrated circuit, the computer are American inventions. Representing a century of American technological ingenuity.Open a Metropcs Samsung Smartphone and take out the battery. You will see the phone and battery were made in China and Japan. How and why did that happen? This isn't rightwing crap. It is capitalist crap.

Can you live on $15/day?

[-] 1 points by JackHall (413) 5 years ago

Thanks for the post. There is where our "independence" went. It's worse than 1776 today. The British crown lived in England then. The Koch brothers live here now.

[-] 0 points by shoozTroll (17632) 5 years ago

There will be no end to it, until the World begins to accept just how powerful they are.

They and their chosen philosophy is still gaining in this country and around the World..

[-] 0 points by cruisecontrol (-49) 5 years ago

Seems to me that the 99% must, by definition, be made up of left, right and centerists? No?

[-] -2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 5 years ago

Not if the right wing advocates against the people, no?

It is more than just words. Not just a defense for you to post douche bag crap.

[-] 0 points by TikiJ (-38) 5 years ago

Fascists dont care what the silly letter is at the end of someone's name.

Or what "government label" someone has chosen for themselves.

They care about power. Power against people of all types.

This is a global takeover. Its not a Republican thing, its much larger than that.

Are the major players in our political system guilty of involvement? Yes. But they are far from the top power brokers. This isnt some illuminati nonsense, its just reality.

[-] -3 points by GirlFriday (17435) 5 years ago

Which totally justifies right wing shit, right?

Wrong answer, Corn Flake.

[-] -1 points by TikiJ (-38) 5 years ago

Doesnt justify anything. Just saying the fascists took this thing over a long time ago and a certain group of professional politicians have been doing their bidding for decades.

I cant stand the right's social views. But I dont pretend that the professional right and left differ on economics.

[-] -3 points by GirlFriday (17435) 5 years ago

Save it. Your attempt to defend the right wing posted shit is inane at best.

[-] -1 points by TikiJ (-38) 5 years ago

Not defending them, or anyone else. Hold them all accountable.

[-] 1 points by GirlFriday (17435) 5 years ago

Ya, J-you sure as hell are.

[-] -1 points by TikiJ (-38) 5 years ago

Screw em all. I could do post after post on Republican nonsense, and you would still attack. I dont know what your problem is. You just showed up last night and filled the entire site with profanity.

What in the deal with that?

[-] 0 points by GirlFriday (17435) 5 years ago

No, actually, you couldn't do post after post. It isn't in you. You know exactly what my problem is.

Once upon a time I actually gave a damn about why this specific group of people set about antagonizing the forum. I don't give a damn about the why's anymore. You wanna go around? Pack a lunch.

[-] 0 points by wd20ear (0) 5 years ago

Whys is she the one making comments while our current SoS is out on his $7 million dollar yacht?

[-] -1 points by mideast (506) 5 years ago

I' m so glad you asked these critical questions - Answer #1 - she is making comments because, like you, she has freedom of speech
Answer #2 - because he has a vehicle, like you, he can use it

I hope that helped you understand

[-] 0 points by justiceforzim7 (-5) 5 years ago

But unlike me, my "people" at State would not deny that I was out on my boat and only admit to it after too many pictures and eye witnesses came forward. Is there ANYTHING that they won't lie first about in this misadministration?

[-] 0 points by mideast (506) 5 years ago

last time I checked, the Secretary of State does not "have" people

[-] 0 points by justiceforzim8 (2) 5 years ago

What do you call State Department spokeswoman Jennifer Psaki? You know, Kerry's girl that started the kerfuffle by lieing about the yachting? If they lie about the little things, am sure they are telling the truth about Benghazi and squashing internal investigations as alleged by Karen Hurdes.


[-] 1 points by cruisecontrol (-49) 5 years ago

I think you meant Aurelia Fedenisn instead of Karen Hurdes. Aurelia is the State whistleblower, Karen is more NSA stuff. I know, with all these Obama misadmin scandals it gets confusing without a scorecard!

Here's a recent update on Aurelia....it's rather Nixonian. http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2013/07/07/does-the-obama-scandal-machine-now-have-its-own-amateurish-break-in/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

[-] 0 points by wd20ear (0) 5 years ago

Heads up. You have a little 1%er still on your nose. Little brown spot on the tip. Might want to wipe that off.

[-] -2 points by GirlFriday (17435) 5 years ago

Why are you responding to a thread started in January?

[-] -1 points by MattLHolck (16833) from San Diego, CA 5 years ago

is isreal threatening the Egypt revolution ?

[-] -3 points by GirlFriday (17435) 5 years ago

Did Microsoft get what it came for? How about the oil companies? How close is the IMF and the World Bank to controlling the Nile?


[+] -4 points by GirlFriday (17435) 5 years ago

Or as long as you ignore it.


[-] -3 points by GirlFriday (17435) 5 years ago

Crap ass answer as usual, Matt.


[+] -4 points by GirlFriday (17435) 5 years ago

Just put the crack pipe down. Over time, you will be fine.